LensLok - Early 80's Anti-Piracy that frustrated | MVG

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Modern Vintage Gamer

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In 1985, in an effort to combat software piracy. ASAP Developments invented the LensLok - a plastic lens in a foldaway frame.The LensLok device was essentially a row of prisms arranged vertically in a plastic holder. In this video we take a closer look at the LensLok to understand how it works, and why it ultimately failed as an anti-piracy device.
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@ModernVintageGamer
@ModernVintageGamer 3 жыл бұрын
It's great to be back. Have an awesome 2021 ❤️
@MarcoGPUtuber
@MarcoGPUtuber 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year!
@Humaid09
@Humaid09 3 жыл бұрын
ok
@seamie997
@seamie997 3 жыл бұрын
@@Humaid09 ok
@michaelappleseed1993
@michaelappleseed1993 3 жыл бұрын
Best wishes! Thank you for making my day better!
@Humaid09
@Humaid09 3 жыл бұрын
@@seamie997 ok
@TheDoubleg94
@TheDoubleg94 3 жыл бұрын
First 2 looked like "5o", and "76" pretty clearly to me. That said resetting the system after 3 tries is crazy.
@zacharysmith2983
@zacharysmith2983 3 жыл бұрын
I was also getting frustrated that he wasn't seeing it. It was clear as day!
@karlrytter7738
@karlrytter7738 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I could also see it just fine.
@LostDream3r
@LostDream3r 3 жыл бұрын
I saw it too, and then realized you had to type two "LETTERS" !
@MrRowskey
@MrRowskey 3 жыл бұрын
@@zacharysmith2983 same, I was yelling at the screen!
@jorelplay8738
@jorelplay8738 3 жыл бұрын
I read the "76" as "TG", and you can't type it twice if you got the first one wrong, so it doesn't work if 2 different people see different things through that not-so-crisp lens
@chosen_none
@chosen_none 3 жыл бұрын
"it's one of the most frustrating and just annoying versions of copy protection that ever graced video games" at least it doesn't install any rootkits
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman 3 жыл бұрын
Only because you can't install anything on these old computers! Even modern expansion carts are like softmodding a PS2. Just yank the storage and presto! Factory reset.
@overlordalfredo
@overlordalfredo 3 жыл бұрын
If that would have been possible they would have tried it too xD
@Thanatos2996
@Thanatos2996 3 жыл бұрын
Why use a rootkit, everything on the c64 is root.
@shiringasai
@shiringasai 3 жыл бұрын
Fucking valorant
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
@@KopperNeoman If they were evil, they would have the game self-destruct on the floppy if you failed the check.
@MmntechCa
@MmntechCa 3 жыл бұрын
A DRM scheme that made the game unplayable for a lot of paying customers, while pirates made off with the superior version. Glad to see that some things never change.
@itsthem5699
@itsthem5699 3 жыл бұрын
lenslock: Remarkably clearly "76" mvg: "That looks like a T.G. Nope, not that one either!"
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
instruction says it's letters, not numbers!
@vasopel
@vasopel 3 жыл бұрын
he was looking for capital letters, like the manual said, 3:32 look at #6.
@lucianothewindowsfan
@lucianothewindowsfan 3 жыл бұрын
I read it as T6.
@sneggron
@sneggron 3 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz He did say "5c" at some point too
@leomadero562
@leomadero562 3 жыл бұрын
Those were all super super obvious, i don't really know how you could mess that up. It might be super hard to read from a non-camera perspective though. He _was_ just waving it about though and not even nearly keeping on the center line.
@brantwedel
@brantwedel 3 жыл бұрын
If they integrated it into a game, like a "secret message decipher" or "alien language translation device" instead of at the beginning, only for certain tasks, it might have been novel and engaging instead of frustrtating.
@jerryborjon
@jerryborjon 3 жыл бұрын
You would’ve made BANK in the 80’s.
@vytah
@vytah 3 жыл бұрын
Several games (King's Quest III, The Secret of Monkey Island, Monkey Island 2, Zork Zero, Wasteland etc.) had vital clues in the manual or other physical component, without which completing the game was either very hard or even impossible.
@Krushak8888
@Krushak8888 3 жыл бұрын
@@vytah Kings Quest Heir today gone tomorrow had a manual clue how to solve glyphs to scale the mountain.
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman 3 жыл бұрын
Like the magical formulas in Quest for Glory IV that you gave to the scientist so that he could do Totally Not Magical Science Stuff.
@deanolium
@deanolium 3 жыл бұрын
@@vytah Monkey Island 1&2 just had the code wheel which was a standard check. They dressed it up to be a bit more fun, but it wasn't like Zork or KQ3. Wasteland had the paragraph book which a lot of RPGs at that time had
@FatNorthernBigot
@FatNorthernBigot 3 жыл бұрын
I remember Jet Set Willy's colour code. Colours could easily be swapped for their word equivalent, and I copied the whole chart Red = R, etc. It wasn't rocket science, just tedious, and briefly made me king of the nerds.
@miikasuominen3845
@miikasuominen3845 3 жыл бұрын
I remember, when we first started the game with a friend. We didn't know about the code, as we didn't see the code paper. We just randomly pushed numbers... And got it right... Never happened after that again! xD Though, as you said, it wasn't much of the work to write the codes by hand and then photocopy the paper ;) P.S. Though, it wasn't JSW, because it had only 1 sheet of color code... Maybe later print of Manic Miner...
@FatNorthernBigot
@FatNorthernBigot 3 жыл бұрын
@@miikasuominen3845 It just required one sucker. I was that sucker.
@mostlyindica
@mostlyindica 3 жыл бұрын
that was the first game i patched out the jmp instruction.
@Metallifux5150
@Metallifux5150 3 жыл бұрын
@@mostlyindica poke 64499,201 imprinted on my brain.
@TheRealWinsletFan
@TheRealWinsletFan 3 жыл бұрын
@@mostlyindica me too! And then I started to dig real deep, and made various adjustments to the map :-)
@theslowmoguys
@theslowmoguys 3 жыл бұрын
Had no idea this was a thing. So interesting.
@udayatwal
@udayatwal 3 жыл бұрын
O hai!
@ComicusFreemanius
@ComicusFreemanius 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Gavo
@89simba57
@89simba57 3 жыл бұрын
Don't copy that floppy
@Flyingpapaya
@Flyingpapaya 3 жыл бұрын
gavver
@PigeonHoledByYT
@PigeonHoledByYT 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a slow mo of you failing to get it to work. Hour long at least.
@Cyranek
@Cyranek 3 жыл бұрын
i loved that dive into the debugger
@myrnamorota4264
@myrnamorota4264 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't expect you to be here!
@drductape
@drductape 3 жыл бұрын
kinda strange to see one of your comments with only 22 likes lol
@iwavrQwpX4uB39nilBlQ
@iwavrQwpX4uB39nilBlQ 3 жыл бұрын
@@drductape it's because they are an unfunny meme man
@Supervisor360
@Supervisor360 3 жыл бұрын
Who doesn’t?
@ciscodisco9155
@ciscodisco9155 3 жыл бұрын
ok
@mattb9664
@mattb9664 3 жыл бұрын
The code says: You won't be playing Elite today.
@thomassmith4999
@thomassmith4999 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah so weird, I had the original C64 Elite and never heard of lens lock until today
@ScrapKing73
@ScrapKing73 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomassmith4999 They gave up on Lenslock for new copies of the game, either due to customer complaints or due to enough cracked copies floating around out there. Why include something that costs them money once it's no longer effective, eh?
@LonelySpaceDetective
@LonelySpaceDetective 3 жыл бұрын
"drink more ovaltine"
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 3 жыл бұрын
Random teenager in the 1980s: *hits debugger key* Not if I can help it. Hold my Mountain Dew!
@dewdop
@dewdop 3 жыл бұрын
Modern Elite: Dangerous: too boring to play today.
@chefjeff1366
@chefjeff1366 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god that "Your Computer" magazine cover which says "ARE YOU GUILTY OF STEALING £100,000,000?" with a picture of a little kid in jail is priceless
@thiesenf
@thiesenf 9 ай бұрын
yeah especially when I don''t get any money... I only get to play the game:.. and the companies actually do not loose any money.... they simply isn't getting what they expected to get...
@KoffinKat
@KoffinKat 9 ай бұрын
@@thiesenf Yeah lol, it kinda irks me when people refer to pirating software as "theft". I can agree that piracy is a no-no, but calling it "theft" is just wrong lol. Also, iirc it has been thoroughly proven that more often than not, a person who pirates a game wouldn't *buy* said game, so even calling it a "lost sale" is somewhat debatable.
@billcarson6954
@billcarson6954 9 ай бұрын
If I ate your sandwich it isn’t theft, it’s just a meal you didn’t eat. It’s theft bro. You’re enjoying the labor of someone else without fair recompense. I don’t care if you steal software, but stop the mental gymnastics.
@meetoo594
@meetoo594 9 ай бұрын
@@billcarson6954 A stolen sandwich is something physical and finite that you are deprived of whereas software is an infinitely reproducible stream of ones and zeros and thus if someone who would never have bought a game pirates it no one has been deprived of anything. So no, its not stealing and the law doesn't define software piracy as such.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur 5 ай бұрын
@@billcarson6954 There's a world of difference between a physical sandwich and digital data. Unless you've figured out how to right click copy/paste food items from your favorite shops, that is. To use the sandwich analogy, piracy is like you having the sandwich, and then me taking the sandwich and eating it.... only now there's suddenly TWO sandwiches, and we both can enjoy them fully with no loss of sandwich-ness.
@roberte2945
@roberte2945 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if MVG has ever gone to a cookout, someone asked him what went on, and he answered "Steaks were made."
@chrismanning5232
@chrismanning5232 3 жыл бұрын
Whose steaks? Muh steaks were made.
@tennesseejack1
@tennesseejack1 3 жыл бұрын
Aussies go to BBQs mate. AKA "Barbies".
@mangek009
@mangek009 3 жыл бұрын
@@tennesseejack1 With prawns. Weird.
@kanesmith8271
@kanesmith8271 3 жыл бұрын
@@mangek009 grilled prawns
@olliethetimespirit233
@olliethetimespirit233 3 жыл бұрын
mmm steak
@NoJusticeNoPeace
@NoJusticeNoPeace 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when the companies started including brown-on-slightly-lighter-brown docs in the games to try to defeat photocopying. Unfortunately, it also defeated my eyeballs, which meant I had to go and download the cracked versions off the local BBSes anyway even when I'd bought the game.
@janchristianursuaaguilar7434
@janchristianursuaaguilar7434 3 жыл бұрын
To Quote Clint From LGR: " Also each game title came with a diffrent set of prisms and sometimes the wrong LensLok is shipped with the wrong game."
@desertfish74
@desertfish74 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine owning all games with lenslok and then mixing up the pile of prisms....
@ArvexYT
@ArvexYT 3 жыл бұрын
@@desertfish74 That would have been a hilarious prank to pull back then. Just swap a few LensLoks around in your friend's collection.
@desertfish74
@desertfish74 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArvexYT restorable if you have three or so but imagine the number of permutations with a dozen games. Better buy them again :)
@litjellyfish
@litjellyfish 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArvexYT what do you mean with “would”? ;)
@Saavik256
@Saavik256 3 жыл бұрын
There were only 11 releases using Lenslok anyway.
@big_b_radical3985
@big_b_radical3985 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to use that with a 10-15 year- old crt, with all sorts of chromatic and aspect aberrations, because that's what many people were using at the time.
@AttilaTheHun333333
@AttilaTheHun333333 3 жыл бұрын
probably works better due to the lack of pixels.
@qwertykeyboard5901
@qwertykeyboard5901 3 жыл бұрын
or being vision impaired
@abadenoughdude300
@abadenoughdude300 3 жыл бұрын
My first thought when he went to try this gizmo was will it even work on an LCD screen.
@rblossey
@rblossey 3 жыл бұрын
I'm imagining the TV we used to have in the 80s with the push-pull on/off switch in the corner 😂
@phildrouet3921
@phildrouet3921 3 жыл бұрын
I can remember this on the Spectrum, Harrier Jump Jet. My friends dad created LensLok and showed me and my friend the early versions. And yes, it was as painful as this shows back then.
@RamLaska
@RamLaska 3 жыл бұрын
The world's first CAPTCHA. It's JUST as horrible as you'd think. ;) I'm pretty certain you could create a decoding stencil for the lens lock. Once you know what the letters are, it's pretty easy to read it. I'm sure you could train yourself to read the code with a friend's lens lock, and then go home and play the pirated version without too much difficulty.
@23Scadu
@23Scadu 3 жыл бұрын
At least you didn't have to spot traffic lights and fire hydrants.
@LYK1003
@LYK1003 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Capcha, the one I found a bit annoying is the Hcapcha which you have to pick all the relevant pictures from two page list to complete the check. Sometimes, some pictures are too small which you almost cannot determine if it is the right one or not. If you fail, you have to do the whole Hcapcha check again.
@Wheagg
@Wheagg 3 жыл бұрын
its different for each game though
@AshenTechDotCom
@AshenTechDotCom 3 жыл бұрын
mostly you would just copy down a hand full of codes and reload the game till you got one you had written down.... ask me how my OLD arse knows ;)
@Wheagg
@Wheagg 3 жыл бұрын
@@AshenTechDotCom imagine doing that with a cassette copy
@LemonGingerHoney
@LemonGingerHoney 3 жыл бұрын
9:56 "I know Z80 assembly language and I know enough to be dangerous." Dangerous... Elite Dangerous 8-)
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 3 жыл бұрын
In reality, still probably mostly harmless.
@YourTVUnplugged
@YourTVUnplugged 3 жыл бұрын
@@Stoney3K Yea but if he didn't know enough to be dangerous he wouldn't have been able to simply bypass that conditional jump back to looping accepting lenslock character input (or exiting after 3 tries) and then be able to BE DANGEROUS in ELITE DANGEROUS! lol I think Lemon sees the play on words he was going for there I picked up on it too. To make it permanent instead of having to do that everytime obviously you can just nop that conditional jump, easy peezy. :)
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 3 жыл бұрын
​@@YourTVUnplugged And if you ever played Elite Dangerous, you also know where the choice of words of "Mostly harmless" comes from. Whooosh!
@marcobonera838
@marcobonera838 3 жыл бұрын
O7
@5izzy557
@5izzy557 3 жыл бұрын
KZfaq autoplay is doing a good job, I left the room to feed my cat & came back to this beauty.
@JoshuaGuthrie
@JoshuaGuthrie 3 жыл бұрын
"Now kids, I'm gonna teach you how to bypass copy protection. Next up, trainers and cracktros. Also, no way I know Z80, do like everyone else and read the f--- manual." And that is the kind of credibility that ensures this channel is always filled with awesome content.
@jack8407
@jack8407 3 жыл бұрын
DRM: more harmful to the end user than pirates
@themasterofdisastr1226
@themasterofdisastr1226 3 жыл бұрын
I experienced that the other day as I wanted to watch Netflix on my pc (Chromium 4 windows) and Netflix just didnt work at all.. Had to switch to edge :/
@robertt9342
@robertt9342 3 жыл бұрын
I'd argue it's worse now even though the end user isn't interacting with it because of the impact on the system and game performance.
@TheRailroad99
@TheRailroad99 3 жыл бұрын
4k is even worse with HDCP2.x. Well, I simply click on the MKV file and off it goes. Even if its a shitty VGA monitor without any digital circuits.
@unitedfools3493
@unitedfools3493 3 жыл бұрын
If you supported DRM with money you only have yourself to blame.
@nelsoncabrera6464
@nelsoncabrera6464 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that was actually kind of the point (or at least it was before the rise of internet file sharing). You wanted to frustrate the casual user who would share copies with a few friends or family members. It wasn't going to deter the dedicated cracker but because there was no way for the cracked ware to be easily distributed (pre BBS era) there was no need for tyrannical levels of protection (ie: dongles).
@xbeaker
@xbeaker 3 жыл бұрын
50, 76, rd. Though it was made harder with your hand moving so much. Edit 5o, not 50. I saw the smaller 'o' but was thinking numbers. :)
@kasuraga
@kasuraga 3 жыл бұрын
agreed. if you hold it still its super easy to read
@Devo_gx
@Devo_gx 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! I saw it right away as well (and my vision isn't that great). That said, having to do the calibration and verification each time, I agree it was a bad implementation
@digitalk68
@digitalk68 3 жыл бұрын
exactly, didn't see anything frustrating.
@IanTester
@IanTester 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair he's behind/beside the camera, looking at an angle.
@blah9500
@blah9500 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, though i think the first is actually 5o
@charlesjmouse
@charlesjmouse 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite games was Tomahawk on the CPC 464; a cassette based system. At the time I had no idea software piracy was a thing but in looking for a solution to the annoyance of LensLok I soon discovered it! Funny how 'anti-piracy' measures invariably become self defeating; I went from someone who didn't know it existed and was happy to buy my games to someone who so resented being messed about I'd go out of my way to find cracked copies of games.
@georgeprout42
@georgeprout42 3 жыл бұрын
One of the hobbies I've gotten back into recently is reverse engineering old Spectrum games. Lenslok in particular... I even had the disassembly open when I spotted this video. If you're using an emulator, memory address 0xC799 holds the code in ASCII and it's therefore trivial to get it right every time.
@jooei2810
@jooei2810 9 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@6ch6ris6
@6ch6ris6 3 жыл бұрын
"I know enough to be dangerous" -Modern Vintage Gamer 2021
@BroomopUK
@BroomopUK 3 жыл бұрын
sad... simple jump and now hes dangerous.
@BroomopUK
@BroomopUK 3 жыл бұрын
@The Lavian i didn't say he didn't but its not even "Hard" to be deadly at ASM once you know how to break and pass through code anyone can be "deadly".
@alexatkin
@alexatkin 3 жыл бұрын
@@BroomopUK People who say "anyone can do it" are quite the anomaly as they are both not as smart as they think they are (for greatly overestimating what most people are capable of), while simultaneously being smarter than most people. There are a LOT (though not all) of console gamers out there who use a console specifically because they think PC gaming is "too complicated", and its a darn site simpler than using a debugger. I mean come on, were living in an age where every website/service needs an app because using the web browser on your phone is "too complicated".
@lautaro3365
@lautaro3365 3 жыл бұрын
He's an elite, elite dangerous.
@tralphstreet
@tralphstreet 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexatkin Apps on phones exist to provide a better experience. Apps work faster because they are running natively, not through a browser engine. They can have their own settings, you don't have to deal with the browser's search bar getting in the way, navigating them is easier, it's easier to store and read data, to send notifications, you can use them without connection, and it's easier to track people with apps. Honestly how dumb can you be to think apps exist because it's too hard to open the browser?
@MarcoGPUtuber
@MarcoGPUtuber 3 жыл бұрын
For a second I thought it said the early 80s anti piracy that frustrated MVG.
@TheCaptaincannibus
@TheCaptaincannibus 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it wasn't just me 😁
@stathissim
@stathissim 3 жыл бұрын
I think that's pretty clear by now that it frustrated MVG also :P
@jason_a_smith_gb
@jason_a_smith_gb 3 жыл бұрын
Cannot remember much about it, but I had a program called Neverlock. I think it patched Lemmings to report the manual word to always be true. Maybe removed the words so just hit enter. Protections like this were tedious. www.goodolddays.net/apps/id%2C49/
@dhgodzilla1
@dhgodzilla1 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing can stop him, especially when he uses some Lube
@retropuffer2986
@retropuffer2986 3 жыл бұрын
It frustrated Lantis maybe but not MVG ;)
@CyDummy
@CyDummy 3 жыл бұрын
Your „TG“ looked as a „76“ to me. 🤣
@vasopel
@vasopel 3 жыл бұрын
he was looking for capital letters, like the manual said, 3:32 look at #6.
@merseyviking
@merseyviking 3 жыл бұрын
This brings back so many painful memories! I remember showing my friend Elite at his place. They had a huge old TV that was so big you couldn't get the calibration lines close enough for the LENSLOK to work. I used to leave my speccy running for days with Elite loaded so I didn't have to go through that hell again.
@Syntax.error.
@Syntax.error. 3 жыл бұрын
At the Dunovo HQ: O M G this lenslock thing is amazing we must implement it immediately.
@ImRandomDude
@ImRandomDude 3 жыл бұрын
Denuvo 2022 drm: please insert your first-born into slot
@szr8
@szr8 3 жыл бұрын
Before or after being asked to drink a verification can?
@laureeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
@laureeeeeeeeeeeeeeen 3 жыл бұрын
please drink verification can
@charlesjmouse
@charlesjmouse 3 жыл бұрын
"You can't play this game until you give us your daughter!" Speaking as a parent that sounds like a good deal. Um, how do I avoid getting her back?
@PieOrCake1974
@PieOrCake1974 3 жыл бұрын
Still better than inserting the tool used to make the first born.
@patientallison
@patientallison 3 жыл бұрын
what if i have no kids?
@brandonl4511
@brandonl4511 3 жыл бұрын
This stuff is insanely interesting, I always get super excited when I see your videos pop up in my recommended section!
@RobUttley
@RobUttley 3 жыл бұрын
Had the LensLok version of Elite on the Spectrum, it seemed to work better on the 14” type colour portable CRT tellies than the larger family TVs. It *was* frustrating, but to be fair it was a rare occurrence to fail all 3 goes and have to reload. Happy New Year MVG, great to see you back.
@JamesMossR33
@JamesMossR33 3 жыл бұрын
I used it so many times loading Elite on my Spectrum in '85 that it really wasn't a chore. You very quickly realised hold it still and aligned on the screen, and if you could read OK then the code was easy to read too. The key was just holding it still and aligned. Might dig it out again for old times sake later.
@hawkred1295
@hawkred1295 3 жыл бұрын
Not a minute ago I was thinking about when you were gonna upload your 4th jan video, nice timing and awesome video as usual :)
@lukeythemenace
@lukeythemenace 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@Evercade_Effect
@Evercade_Effect 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that this was even a thing. I love learning about stuff like this. What a great video to start off 2021.
@alexriesenbeck
@alexriesenbeck 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so well put together and informative! Thanks for everything
@shadoom
@shadoom 3 жыл бұрын
5:00 "go ask your mother" on the shelf don't tell me you didnt frame the video like that on purpose to give us this message 😎
@Redchannel
@Redchannel 3 жыл бұрын
MVG makes Monday morning something to look forward too! @MVG
@heyitsandrew2209
@heyitsandrew2209 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the direction the channel is going
@UXXV
@UXXV 3 жыл бұрын
Always love your stuff! All the best for 2021
@ajrhodes3262
@ajrhodes3262 3 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting, anti-piracy methods from the 80s always fascinate me...
@6581punk
@6581punk 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't expecting this :) not so much "mistakes were made" as "assumptions were made", ie. that everyone used a 14" curved CRT.
@JETJOOBOY
@JETJOOBOY 3 жыл бұрын
It would probably work fine nowadays with totally flat screens and ultra crisp resolution.. Remember how the image would BOW and warp depending on the colour saturation or contrast on those old portables....
@Asmodai1234
@Asmodai1234 3 жыл бұрын
Now screens (especially ultrawides) are starting to be curved again.
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 3 жыл бұрын
They knew not everybody used a 14" screen. that's why the calibration process changes the size of the picture. The curvature of the screen probably won't make too much of a difference. WOrst case it jsut adds some 'noise' to the image.
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman 3 жыл бұрын
Usually they're curved concave to be easier to see straight on, rather than curved convex because price and technology.
@JETJOOBOY
@JETJOOBOY 3 жыл бұрын
@@Asmodai1234 I thought that when just after I posted that they would probably work on modern FLAT screens.... You are correct
@Kings_Gambit
@Kings_Gambit 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year MVG! Thanks for the fun retro lookback.
@alexandregiaccheri
@alexandregiaccheri 3 жыл бұрын
I love these older bits of history so much! Thank you MVG !!
@th3cub350
@th3cub350 3 жыл бұрын
happy new year MVG, here's hoping it'll be better than 2020 ! I remember this lenslok stuff that was sooooooo annoying you always had to have the right light, the right angle, the right screen... still the most annoying for me was those red codes sheet with black writing to avoid being copied because as a colorblind it was a pain to be able to decipher them ! That said LensLok was still a brilliant idea for protection/cost efficiency, was just a pain to use for the end-user and in the end very easy to crack (i usually would use cracked game of a legal copy game i had purchased to remove the pain as soon as the crack was available)
@_notch
@_notch 3 жыл бұрын
"enough to be dangerous" Yeah, i got that impression a long time ago.
@FrostyFrostyFrostyFrosty
@FrostyFrostyFrostyFrosty 3 жыл бұрын
Missed your videos every monday, glad to see you back man
@sang3Eta
@sang3Eta 3 жыл бұрын
Oh I remember copying the Jet Set Willy chart and painstakingly colouring it in by hand with felt tip pens! We didn't have scanners and coloured home printers back then it wasnt as easy to copy as you would think! ;D
@adriansrealm
@adriansrealm 3 жыл бұрын
"Would add significant expense to the cost" MVG pauses to let that sink in
@Edward135i
@Edward135i 3 жыл бұрын
Just thinking about all the frustrated parents back in the 1980s trying to get the LensLok to work for their kids.
@jonas-fr
@jonas-fr 3 жыл бұрын
This was a very interesting video as always but what's made it *really great* is the interactive debugging/cracking session with your explainations. I'd be really happy to see more of these since all there is on youtube about debugging is oriented toward x86_64 or ARM32/64 and nothing about retro/exotic architectures/assembly.
@Magnumi
@Magnumi 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering the lens lock! What a great blast from the past. :)
@juansmeeth
@juansmeeth 3 жыл бұрын
Man that gives me a nostalgic shudder. I had Tommahawk by Digital Integration on the Spectrum with Lenslok. It was... annoying. I still remember getting a Multiface One and using it to make a save of the game after the protection had been passed. I ended up doing that with all my protected games because the anti-piracy measures at the time were an utter pain in the arse. EDIT: watching the video now, yep, had Elite too on the Spectrum... I really hated Lenslok.
@AshenTechDotCom
@AshenTechDotCom 3 жыл бұрын
you can get elite free now on all platforms afik ;) elite: dangerous, was free on epic a while back... :P
@juansmeeth
@juansmeeth 3 жыл бұрын
@The Valeyard The Multiface One did the same thing. It essentially snapshotted what was running and you could dump microdrive or back to tape. spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/1000275/Hardware/Multiface_1
@juansmeeth
@juansmeeth 3 жыл бұрын
@The Valeyard Nice.
@fafski1199
@fafski1199 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, you where everyone's best friend if you owned a double decker 'ghetto blaster' back then. I was lucky and could use two of them, my Sanyo 'Ghetto Blaster' and a Sony twin-tape 'home Hi-fi'. As you can guess, every nerd at school then came to me for speccy and C64 games. With the money that I made, I not only managed to afford a 'second-hand' C64 to add to my speccy, but could also afford to buy most new titles. Which of course, was then a case of rinse and repeat. Come the late 80's, I must have had in the region of 400+ original speccy games and around 250 original C64 games (and by then, I was only in my late teens).....The weird thing is because the way I did it (buying originals and copying), I barely owned any pirated games myself.
@davestationuk7374
@davestationuk7374 3 жыл бұрын
@The Valeyard I remember getting my sister to do my cassette inlay cards with game start - stop times , because she had the best hand writing Then go to school with 10 tapes to sell or trade
@thetechdoc792
@thetechdoc792 3 жыл бұрын
Back when I was a kid, the "whats the first word on page 3 second paragraph" copyprotection was popular. I managed to figure out that the game I loved stored that word at a particular memory address. So after getting the question, immediately get it wrong, load up a memory viewer, and navigate to that address. Boom. Theres the answer. After about 5 minutes of the game plucking through its list of "random" questions, you can have a healthy list of "P1, para2 = the" answers. Game manual be damned. Just wish I could remember what game it was.
@firstnamelastname-oy7es
@firstnamelastname-oy7es 3 жыл бұрын
That was the game
@derekcamilleri8
@derekcamilleri8 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New year Great and interesting I enjoy your videos Keep up the great work Derek
@dalestyx
@dalestyx 3 жыл бұрын
The first lenslok I ever encountered was with The OCP Art Studio by Silverbird software, which was connected to Firebire but these were more of a premium brand. I found it impossible to use the lenslok, luckily I had a friend who had a freeze cartridge who took a snapshot of the program once we got passed it. I also remember the Jetset Willy and Manic Miner protection. Thanks for taking a look at these forms of protection, there were other forms that you are probably aware of, such as the manual check, page number paragraph word. Happy New Year and it's great to see you back.
@Devo_gx
@Devo_gx 3 жыл бұрын
9:58 You mean, you know enough to be Elite: Dangerous?
@WoollyMittens
@WoollyMittens 3 жыл бұрын
I would have pirated the game EVEN if I owned the original, just to avoid this awfulness.
@jameswalker199
@jameswalker199 3 жыл бұрын
It still happens even today. People even "pirate" free gratis games just to avoid the DRM.
@foxxy46213
@foxxy46213 9 ай бұрын
Still do
@NotDwight
@NotDwight 3 жыл бұрын
So great to get an insight into the beginning of piracy and copy protection
@rustyshackleford5166
@rustyshackleford5166 3 жыл бұрын
KZfaq did not notify me of this video. I'm here bc I enjoy your channel enough to manually check. :)
@AmyraCarter
@AmyraCarter 3 жыл бұрын
7:38 I read the numbers '7' and '6' there. I remember this thing. I knew someone whose vision was not that great and thus using this was nigh impossible; in their frustration it got snapped in half. I do not blame them at all. In fact, I hope they got a refund.
@djsmith3000
@djsmith3000 3 жыл бұрын
This would have frustrated the hell out of me if I'd have been around in 1985! Great vid and welcome back MVG
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 3 жыл бұрын
Crap like this was honestly part of why my late uncle who belonged to a C64 users group would help copy, and crack disk, and then send them too me in the mail every so often. So about 1/2 my C64/C128 games where copied, and cracked sometimes with trainers on the cracktros, which at times where more interesting than the actual games.
@RandyRandersonthefamous
@RandyRandersonthefamous 3 жыл бұрын
I thought this was another retro tech reviewer on youtube, surprised it was you. I like your style more than the others!
@Tclans
@Tclans 3 жыл бұрын
What a gem to start the year with. Thanks MVS
@RandoNetizen27
@RandoNetizen27 3 жыл бұрын
Watching those lenslok attempts were painful.
@gravysamich
@gravysamich 3 жыл бұрын
to be fair, he was probably looking at it through the camera
@netshaman9918
@netshaman9918 3 жыл бұрын
@@gravysamich And he is incapable of maintaining his hand steady. How he manage to do this ? Have it Parkinson's disease or what ?
@cvwanderer8983
@cvwanderer8983 3 жыл бұрын
LMAO right? Really cool video, just horribly inept at the simple task of putting your hand on the screen.
@twerlertsperglesperblenerb9826
@twerlertsperglesperblenerb9826 3 жыл бұрын
When anti-piracy is more frustrating to legitimate customers than it is to actual software pirates. . . . . . . Oh wait, that's pretty much every anti-piracy ever created.
@1George2
@1George2 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year from Singapore!!
@robwyatt
@robwyatt 3 жыл бұрын
Dimitris, happy new year! In the mid 80's and early 90's I got really good at removing copy protection on the BBC Micro and the Acorn Archimedes. There were some evil things people did to floppy disks but the BBC Micro version of Elite was one of the hardest to copy/crack. Usually we would hack the checks out of the game, and be done with it, and then not even care about what they had done to the physical disk. For Elite it was not only really hard to copy the disk but it was equally hard to crack the assembly code to remove the protection checks. It wasn't really encrypted, in the modern sense, but it was very well obfuscated, it was multilevel and very clever in how it worked, it was ultimately a variant of XOR obfuscation but the key was dynamic and generated in a way that was hard to follow - all this takes is time and tools. Elite was one of the first games that would play if it knew it was cracked but it wouldn't play properly and you would never know because the game was so big, the player would already have put hours and hours in before they realized they weren't getting anywhere. There were a lot of cracked versions that didn't actually work and to this day I'm not sure I ever fully cracked it, it didn't matter because I did ultimately copy the disk. Why was it so hard to copy? In addition to a few other more typical disk protection tricks, the Elite disk simply had an unformatted track, literally unformatted, nothing at all on it. The code would do all sorts of hardware track and sector reads on the track it expected was unformatted, it had specific code for Intel 8271 and WD1770/1772 which were the two disk controllers available for the BBC. If it detected anything that looked like a track or sector it would trigger the protection. The protection was effective because you can't unformat a track, even back then 5 1/4 floppies would come pre-formatted for PCs, sure the BBC wouldn't use them them because it was the wrong files sytem, you would have reformat in DFS format, bit the physical disk was still formatted - the sector/track read code would detect something where there wasn't supposed to be anything at all. Once this became known it became a little easier to write code that would copy the original assuming you had access to an unformatted disk, to do this you had to deal with all the other more typical disk protections, but you had to start with a truly unformatted, never used, disk. The reason it works is the disk controllers can't unformat a track and they can only write legal tracks with legal sectors - there were some tricks you could do to change this by clever timing and writing to shadow registers, especially on the 8271, even so the end result was still a fairly legal looking track. The way we figured out how to copy it was to write a track with a single sector that was 4K long which is the longest sector an 8271 disk controller can write. Why did this work when you just wrote a legal track? It works because the physical track on the disk was only 3500 bytes long. Therefore it would start by writing a legal track header, and a legal sector header, it would also have legal gaps and therefore it would initially look like a legal, but weird, track. Because it's writing a 4K sector on a physical track that can only hold 3500 bytes, the physical disk would do a whole rotation and write over the sector and track header that it just laid down. BOOM, an unformatted track!!!! At least unformatted enough, the MFM flux encoding on the disk was legal but there was no sector or track headers and the disk controllers couldn't find anything-it worked flawlessly. BBC floppy disks are constant angular velocity, so even if they put the protection track on an outer track, it wouldn't have made any difference. A few years later, it all became moot, because of the Amiga. It didn't have a disk controller, it was all done in software, it could read and write raw bit patterns to the disk, no care in the world if it was legal or not, therefore could quite easily unformat the track. The Amiga became a key tool in copying Archimedes disks. EDIT: I guess it was FM aka single density modulation on a BBC Micro disk, not MFM - my memory is fuzzy trying to go back 35 years.
@robwyatt
@robwyatt 3 жыл бұрын
Looking back with 20/20 hindsight, all this disk protection is still a pain in the ass, especially for people who want to preserve software. Old magnetic disks are starting to fail and making images of them is the only way to preserve them. Unless you are going to hack the game code, you have to be really careful how you image the disk, simply reading the data isn't enough. What you need is a raw flux image of a disk, which these days you can do with an Arduino, and then really good emulation of the disk controller. Getting the raw flux image is one of the things where the devil is in the details, it is actually quite difficult to do reliably, its not as simple as just sampling the flux pattern because you can get tripped up by variation in physical disk speed, both by the original machine that wrote the floppy years ago or by the speed of the floppy drive reading the disk today. The original hardware took care of by an analog PLL which would sync the sampling to the MFM data. If you are imaging on a really high speed processor you can take time stamps of the flux transitions and continually adjust the sampling - in effect emulating a analog PLL. The easiest way is to massively over sample the raw flux data and then clean it up in software. A raw flux image is a good way to read bad disks, especially bad disks with single byte errors. The original controllers were fairly crude and would simply check CRCs of the decoded data. Modern software can detect illegal MFM and keeping regenerating all the possible variations until one of them is right. This doesn't work well for long bursts of errors but it can correct a few bytes per sector and is a tool we have today that didn't exist back then.
@nelsoncabrera6464
@nelsoncabrera6464 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing that OCEAN logo brought on a wave of nostalgia.
@MarkoMiettinen-DARKKi-NZTi
@MarkoMiettinen-DARKKi-NZTi 3 жыл бұрын
I can hear ocean loader(s) in my head as i read this.
@nelsoncabrera6464
@nelsoncabrera6464 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkoMiettinen-DARKKi-NZTi So many C64 loaders had amazing music. Heck hearing the word "loader" made me nostalgic, cheers to all you crack and hack groups of my childhood: Legend, Fairlight, Hikari, Hotline, ESI, Razor1911, The Dynamic Duo, Quark, Yeti Factory and so many others.
@theMaster...
@theMaster... 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Sinclair Spectrum ZX. But I'm not sure I'd call computers of that era 'cheap'...
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 3 жыл бұрын
Compared to dedicated actual computers on sale for thousands of dollars, it is "cheap" by that context...
@Layby2k
@Layby2k 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another interesting video Dimi.
@PaulMillard1973
@PaulMillard1973 3 жыл бұрын
I had to use this when launching Graphical Adventure Creator on the Amstrad CPC464. It’s really interesting to watch the demonstration of you using the lens because when I had to use this on the Amstrrad, this clearly had a physical monitor size which was the same for all CPCs. I never had to calibrate the lens size on the Amstrad and therefore never suffered the problems that other systems had if they were connected to a television. It’s very interesting to see the problems that other people had reported using the LensLok system, i.e. Having the wrong lens for the respective software. Funny looking back on it now, but I can understand the frustration that people had suffered with this copy protection.
@chefnerd
@chefnerd 3 жыл бұрын
So the captcha was basically invented way back in the 80s :)
@Astolfo2001
@Astolfo2001 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever invented captcha honestly deserves to rot in hell. Captcha is one of the absolute worst inventions ever made.
@Kae6502
@Kae6502 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that when you were using the debugger, you were going to look for the String LensLok was comparing the user input to. Nope. :D
@theLuigiFan0007Productions
@theLuigiFan0007Productions 3 жыл бұрын
Would trivial to copy the game to another disk, and flip the default state of the bit in the binary, if you knew the address... I can see why it didn't stick around. That and it's basically a terrible version of reCAPTCHA, but I'l give them points for a interesting design that's for sure. Stretchy smeared letters and optics is definitely thinking out of the box.
@pureretro5979
@pureretro5979 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and an interesting step back to my childhood. I had a Multiface 1 on my Spectrum that could halt a game and dump the memory to storage. It was trivial to load a game, get past the copy protection and then save the game to tape. They sold thousands of the things.
@samsinger5135
@samsinger5135 3 жыл бұрын
always awesome to see some of your content.. i'm 34 and i'm am at AWE that how gaming and digital history that we have ... welcome to 2021 and lets keep gaming for safety and fun
@cassiusdalcazarosta8010
@cassiusdalcazarosta8010 3 жыл бұрын
It's nice to have a new video that involves DRM's!
@6581punk
@6581punk 3 жыл бұрын
It's not so much DRM as optical copy protection.
@cassiusdalcazarosta8010
@cassiusdalcazarosta8010 3 жыл бұрын
@@6581punk, isn't DRM and copy protection the same thing, or not?
@TheRailroad99
@TheRailroad99 3 жыл бұрын
@@cassiusdalcazarosta8010 not really. For example MacroVision was also copy protection, but completely analog. A serial Number is also a copy protection, but I wouldn't call it DRM. ... etc pp
@cassiusdalcazarosta8010
@cassiusdalcazarosta8010 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRailroad99 OK, tnx.
@fhagane6821
@fhagane6821 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Trying to read the letters was the actual game
@DanWorksTV
@DanWorksTV 3 жыл бұрын
Its because only then youre part of the elite. Or not.
@Ashebrethafe
@Ashebrethafe 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the time limit might have been meant to keep pirates from reverse-engineering the order of the columns from the scrambled "OK" and then manually unscrambling the code they needed to type in.
@estebanr979
@estebanr979 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I have never hear about this type of copy protection. Amazing video.
@glurp1er
@glurp1er 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the color check still is the best copy protection, especially if it's part of the game. I remember Gobliins 2 for example, you had to mix color based magic potions to obtain the correct result, and it used a paper color wheel included in the box to do so. It was made fun instead of annoying, and as a kid I liked it.
@aurathedraak7909
@aurathedraak7909 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a new series of copy protections and how they were bypass. (Systems don't count and not mistakes were made, only and any software)
@onedeadsaint
@onedeadsaint 3 жыл бұрын
can't be the only one mildly disappointed that you didn't show how someone from the 80s would have bipassed the security.
@YourTVUnplugged
@YourTVUnplugged 3 жыл бұрын
But he kind of did though, the process would have been basically the same... Only difference being he wouldn't of had this fancy public tool to do this so easily. You would of had to build custom tools and then the process would be similar just using those tools instead of this one he used here. In the 80's it's the same as today, you had to find that conditional jump which determines if its going to keep looping the lenslock input code/quitting after 3 wrong tries (by following the conditional jump at 0xC2AC back up to 0xC288 which is on the same screen visible). Then you nop it (NO OPERATION) so that regardless if C is set or not it always continues execution past the conditional jump (not following it to 0xC288) which then starts the game instead of looping for lenslock input or exiting. If you always typed wrong lenslock characters then it never makes it past that jump at 0xC2AC and just keeps executing that lenslock loop or exiting after 3 incorrect attempts. So any way you modify it that actually skips that lenslock loop and continues execution from 0xC2AE onwards will work to bypass the protection and start the game! :) Based on how he's done this here, it looks like if you patched that 0xC2AC with a NOP instruction and restarted the game with that patched permanently to the rom, the lenlock prompt still comes up but any input you type in is accepted rather than rejected and the game starts. To make it even better and skip the lenslock prompt entirely one could instead find the beginning of that lenslock loop (or really anywhere before it waits on user input for it) and put an unconditional jump up to 0xC2AE (where the real game code actually starts as told above). It actually looks like as a good guess that the LD A,$04 which is moved into $C77E is the number of tries you get + 1 (since it decrements before using immediately at $C28B after loading from $C77E)... So if you increased that number you would get more tries if I'm correct, ex. changing it to FF should give 254 tries instead of 3. But we don't want more tries just to immediately skip having to enter anything to start the game and have it just start. But the LD, A, $04 instruction at $0xC283 probably relating to lenslock allowed attempts shouldn't be neccesary for any of the games code to work, and its two bytes perfect for overwriting with a jump without having to nop more bytes to clean things up (Like if patching from C288 to jump to C2AE should work too but will leave the code looking wierd in the disaaseembler since the third byte no longer is part of the jump and is then its own not intended instruction there. So if doing that it'd be best to nop that 3rd byte) But here I'm just going to overwrite that 2 byte LD A, $04 at $C283 with a 2 byte jump to $C2AE and I haven't tested this, but I beleive it will most likely work :D Permanent patch one of these to copies of the rom and see the difference :D ==MVG quick version/Any lenslock input is accepted as correct== [$C2AC: 38 DA] JR C,$C288 Patch With: [$C2AC: 00 00] NOP x 2 ==Improved Version/Skip lenslock & directly load game (Probably)== [$C283: 3E 04] LD A,$04 Patch With: [$C283: 18 29] JR $C2AE dest - src - 2 = jump offset $C2AE - $C2AC - 2 ('JR x' instruction size) = $29
@cowbutt6
@cowbutt6 3 жыл бұрын
@@YourTVUnplugged in order to patch in such a NOP, you would also have needed to defeat the nonstandard tape loader. These predictions weren't designed to be "uncrackable" forever, but just enough to slow down early, casual "bedroom" piracy such that they could make some sales in the first few months after launch.
@paulmurgatroyd6372
@paulmurgatroyd6372 3 жыл бұрын
Makes me shiver to remember the arsing about you had to do with that thing. Brrrr!
@turbokiller
@turbokiller 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video and info. Thanks for sharing! :D
@p3nz1play59
@p3nz1play59 3 жыл бұрын
"I know enough to be dangerous" sounds like something you would tell your older sibling :D
@OscarOlim
@OscarOlim 3 жыл бұрын
So this is the precursor to captchas / TOPT
@unitedfools3493
@unitedfools3493 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with it. Or even each other.
@OscarOlim
@OscarOlim 3 жыл бұрын
@@unitedfools3493 wasn’t meant to be take so literal. It’s a distant but funny coincidences: recognising letters in shapes, 30 seconds to input. I know the similarities end there.
@melissaherrity
@melissaherrity 3 жыл бұрын
It took me a while to realise i had the lens the wrong way around i.e. back to front. I should have read the instructions fully lol
@Astolfo2001
@Astolfo2001 2 жыл бұрын
Captchas are annoying as sin. Whoever invented them honestly deserves to rot in hell for what they created.
@RoseTintedSpectrum
@RoseTintedSpectrum 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely to hear you talking about the Spectrum MVG... I'm a bit of a fan.
@DrBagPhD
@DrBagPhD 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year MVG!
@drstkova
@drstkova 3 жыл бұрын
11:45 C is the carry flag, not the “condition” flag...
@beforth
@beforth 3 жыл бұрын
Don't be dangerous... 😏
@drstkova
@drstkova 3 жыл бұрын
@@beforth ???
@PsychOsmosis
@PsychOsmosis 3 жыл бұрын
7:38 That's *obviously* "76". You're supposed to close one eye, you know. Also, first one was "5o".
@MiniKodjo
@MiniKodjo 3 жыл бұрын
they don't read the f*cking manual and complain.... Lens lock protection is the most convenient copy protection system ever made.
@PsychOsmosis
@PsychOsmosis 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiniKodjo I wouldn't go *that* far, but the conclusion I came to after watching this video is that, yes, the articles were trying to create controversy over nothing.
@em00k
@em00k 3 жыл бұрын
Have to agree I was cringing watch MVG try to use the lenslock - I could read the codes on the video!
@PsychOsmosis
@PsychOsmosis 3 жыл бұрын
@@em00k That's because the camera has only one lens, and he was probably looking with his two eyes open. Had he read the instructions, he would have known to close one, and yeah it's quite obvious when you do so.
@Daggett1122
@Daggett1122 3 жыл бұрын
@@PsychOsmosis He was looking at the camera's screen, obviously.
@robevenegas
@robevenegas 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year MVG
@kkarlo777
@kkarlo777 3 жыл бұрын
this is so cool to know as a person whos first console was ps1 I would like to see more videos about even older consoles i never had
@CedLePingouin
@CedLePingouin 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I got my first computer during the second half of the 80's, and I thought I had seen pretty much all kinds of copy protections (hardware dongles, words from the manual, weird "wheels", unconventional disk formats or intentional bad sectors, then later Safedisc and Securom, ...), but I had never seen this one. Seems as annoying as some of its successors :-)
@DuckAlertBeats
@DuckAlertBeats 3 жыл бұрын
I just hand drew and coloured my version of the Jet Set Willy code card back in the day :) Took ages
@kellerkind6169
@kellerkind6169 3 жыл бұрын
MVG, thank you for covering Lenslock in this video. I used to own Elite and OCP Art Studio on my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48k back then. And it was a real pain to get to play/use both of them due to their copy protection. Also, having a color deficiancy didn't exactly help with the Jet Set Willy protection either :-) It was a great watch though, being reminded of the ways that software publishers used to fight software piracy.
@roobeeeee
@roobeeeee 3 жыл бұрын
It’s always a good day when MVG posts.
@10minGameplay1
@10minGameplay1 3 жыл бұрын
Remember the first Larry game having annoying questions to hinder kids from playing it.
@SunnyZ
@SunnyZ 3 жыл бұрын
Ahh good old Leisure Suit Larry! I remember spending about a week straight recording down every question and answer then making my own answer sheet. Was totally faster than trying to find a manual and then download it on my 33.6Kb/ X-Files modem. Yes, X-Files modem. When you dialed up, instead of hearing the normal dial up tune, it would play the X-Files theme song!
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 3 жыл бұрын
In particular when you're from Europe and 9 out of 10 of the questions were American sports and showbiz trivia from the early 80s.
@AS-oz6ep
@AS-oz6ep 3 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine that the protection would be more difficult to bypass in the ‘80s, without the benefit of modern emulators and debuggers.. not impossible, but certainly not as easy..
@YourTVUnplugged
@YourTVUnplugged 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yea definitely, which is was kind of like you had to really know your shit to do this kind of thing. That's basically since you had to make your own tools and everything, your own debuggers and assemblers and dissamblers and things which is not trivial or that most people would just know how to do. Now with lots of public tools and more advanced information flow it makes it require not being so "Elite: Dangerous" xD to pull off which can use premade public tools and information resources to learn and figure things out much easier! :D
@MichaelPohoreski
@MichaelPohoreski 3 жыл бұрын
Not horrible complicated -- just time consuming. Sure you had to know assembly language but boot tracing is pretty straightforward albeit extremely tedious in some titles. There were actually RAM / memory snapshot cards along with NMI / debugger hardware cards that sped the process up for the dedicated hackers and krackers.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 3 жыл бұрын
Machine language monitor cartridge with a soft-reset button. Not actually more difficult for this task, when you have to walk one up the stack anyway and the program is just freshly started.
@TheFissionchips
@TheFissionchips 3 жыл бұрын
I never had an issue with the lens lock , I held it still!! It was almost impossible for the avergae 13 yr old to get cracked games in 1985, and back then waiting 10 mins for a game to load was no big deal. You have some funny ideas about what the home comp scene was like in the UK in the 80's.
@litjellyfish
@litjellyfish 3 жыл бұрын
Strange. I am Swedish and I was 11 in 85 and it was rather easy for most average kids to get cracked games. More or less it took half a year owning a computer until you got to knew someone who knew someone who had access to cracks. Later on I joined the demo scene and got to know people from whole of Europe and they had same experiments.
@kozmo7
@kozmo7 3 жыл бұрын
Like with any protections to copyright, it only ends up hurting the end user, and in some cases, just causes more piracy. Love this channel. Thank you for all that you do in maintaining our video game history.
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