You’re not an idiot. 4k means your trying to give us better quality. Thank you for that.

Those little mistakes and the humility make you look like a real great guy. Appreciated that a lot actually

The bows look hard as fuck to draw, everyone has there off days haha, good on you for posting anyway, I enjoyed it. Feels good to have a real person on KZfaq, you're the man

Hi, I'd like to provide a more in depth explanation as for *why* reflex/recurves outperform long/flatbows. Reflex/recurves rise quicker in weight and then slow down, meaning there's a lot more energy stored at the early/mid draw despite having the same draw weight at full draw. How long the siyahs (tips) are, and how aggressively recurved they are is a good indicator of how much more energy will be stored. But do know this is far from the only factor! Just a very easy & quick to explain one. One of the main reasons you don't see any long/flatbows at high draw weights with these shapes is because the designs undertake *far* more stress. A bow of solid wood would simply break if you tried to bend it as much (unless it's a very low draw weight). Because the tips don't bend, the stress is condensed into a smaller section of the limb. The limbs are also just being bent much further in general, the reflex/recurve of the tips also allows the bow to be drawn further. Well made horn bows actually take this stress nightmare even further! Unstrung, the limbs are pointing the opposite direction like the letter "C". Because their starting position is more forward, they're being bent further therefore resist more which gets you a higher draw weight without having to add mass to the limbs, meaning a faster bow. The bow used in this video (MR Bows Tiron from the looks of it?) I would say is actually a little more on the passive side of these kinds of bows. It's also a fiberglass-wood laminate which can't handle stress as well as horn bows, so the design is a little more unambitious. If you'd like to try out the other end, you can look for a Manchu bow. Manchu are not fast, but they store the most energy out of any widely used design. You can get an Alibow yarha 2 at military weights for really cheap, though do know it will need extra heavy arrows (probably like 17-20GPP)since it's solid fiberglass and therefore quite sluggish. To conclude, horn bows are in nearly every objective sense better performing. There is however one very very important aspect that longbows historically exceled in which is often forgotten in these discussions. Longbows are more expensive nowadays, but historically they were extremely affordable compared to horn bows. Why construct 1 exceptional bow when you could arm 10 people with *good-enough* bows for the same price?

It's really good for beginners to see the REALLY good people in the field having off-days, that way when they have an off-day they don't think "Dash Rendar never has days like this"

I prefer my recurves. No particular reason, other than they look cooler, maybe? I just like the way they look. Also, I DO like the fact they are shorter and easier to wield. I prefer traditional bows over compound bows.

Finally! A contest between longbow and recurve warbows!

Always great content. I appreciate you posting all your videos!! They are both fun and informative, Keep up the great work!! 👍

Thank you for letting me know the speed test was lost and I didn't need to waste my lunch break trying to find it. Thumbs up Dash!

Thanks for sharing despite having an off day! Always appreciate this FUN content. Makes me want to get out my bow. ❤

Hey your no idiot, I just found the channel and I’ve been loving all the content! I enjoyed this video a lot, your resilience you share the video speaks volumes. A fan of the channel and excited to see what you come out with next 🤝

Good video, I am a Scottish Archer who lives in England, I've owned high poundage longbows many years ago,, I bought a recurve to teach my Son archery and taught myself thumb draw, buying a bare bow as my Son is a lefty, so nothing in your video surprised me, there is so much false history and myths around Longbows, basically, back in the day, they were cheap and they had lots of big lads shooting them, my experience from shooting both and given a choice, is recurve any day, its superior, pound for pound and also accuracy and range, especially if laminated, historical artwork, shows recurve were common in Britain in addition to self bows, please get proper arrows for the recurve, it really shows at longer ranges, maybe get a handmade bow made for you using traditional materials, I went to Hungary last summer and shot some there, stuck a video on my channel, for the memory, I'm more into music tbh. Also suggest experimenting with lower poundages and lighter arrows, using thumb draw, its easy to see why a Turkish Archer could be devastating against unarmoured opponents, once you get the hang of the technique, I now prefer.

Glad you uploaded! So much humility and grounded content, great video!

Great job, man! Really awesome! Thanks for making it for all of us 👍🏻🙏🏻🙇🏻‍♂️

I always wonder, how powerful would a bow built with modern materials such as fiberglass compare to wood ones? And how much better the Compound bow design is.

Glad you put the video out there. Keep up the great work warrior.

It was still a great video and the humility you show is inspiring

Nice! I was about to hit the gym. I could use some more inspiration! BTW Dash, love your stuff. I been doing archery since August 2023 last year. Using a 60lb longbow usually at 20 yards. But I definitely want to get higher draw weights. 🎉

great video! not everyday is perfect. but nice content. Straight to the point and concise and humble

I'm glad you added the comments at the end, because this is the first full-length video of yours that I've seen, and I was beginning to wonder.

From slings to recurve, maybe we will see crossbows too sooner or later hahaha Dash doing progress on a research tree

Great video man. Keep up the good work and don’t be too hard for failing a shooter draw when shooting such heavy weight

I love how humble you are, and that you even try answering every comment on your videos. Heart lighter than a feather ;)

Nice! the most expected video! Really great!

Great video! Every joint in my body hurt watching you pull those bows. 😂 Appreciate the excellent content AND your down to earth, humble approach. Not sure how I got this video but glad I did. I’m now subscribed.

Good stuff! Like that you posted this-the two types of bow def have a different feel-good to see you’re not afraid to experiment-with all that comes with that..

we all have our off days my dude but being confident enough to post a video when you're not at your best proves that you're a real person and thats why we keep coming back, cos we can relate plus you're awesome and have helped me pick up some good archery tips ! i mainly shoot recurve bows so this was nice to see, stay humble and keep being you

I think of short bows as close in accurate bows that shoot straight as a laser. Longbows are more like Medieval artillery with an arcing trajectory.

Great video, really appreciate what your doing, you have really motivated me to get stronger and more athletic. I just subscribed and have really enjoyed your videos , especially the bow videos.

Congrats on 200k!!!

i dont know why, but i really enjoy these videos for some reason! Good job !

I'm an Asiatic bow archer, but your channel has really made me want to cross train in English longbow 🏹🤙🏿🤘🏿

I have a bow like the recurved one in this video. I think I understand now what you mean about recurves having that harder initial pull. That has kept me really held up at 70lbs, pretty impressive that you can draw 135 like that

I Absolutely LOVE your content brother!

I just started shooting my tiron 143@28 176@32 I love it Im working on getting to 28 right now but it is an amazing bow. Mr bows are so sweet. I also built a stringer for it that makes it a lot easier to string. Love all you do man!

I'm a recurve guy historically (0 longbow experience), so appreciate seeing your comparison! Great work! Also, always respect honesty and humility - stand up move there Dash!

We are here man. Keep going. Btw the Skyrim background was a really good idea 😊

My kind of test! That is insane Dash. I knew they were faster but didn’t expect that much more effective haha. MR bows have a reputation to be very fast and your bow is no different to all the other tests I have seen. So really good to get more data to confirm it. I am so pumped now to get my MR Tiron (107@28) to test it as well! Shame you lost some footage but great video nonetheless. Thank you for going ahead and posting it❤

awesome job and awesome inspiration

Wow, thanks for posting this, I only just found it and yea I get it 100%, some days it just isn't there. It does make you appreciate the times it is and reminds us all, never to take archery for granted. Train, train, train. Best wishes.

With the recurve, the first few inches feel heavier because you overcome the angle of the siyah, then it acts as a lever. very good videos!

thumb draw naturally have longer draw length than three finger (about +1inch) and typpically manchu bow have 35-37inches draw length with far more straight forearm posture.

Hey man you are willing to keep going and admit when you make a mistake, it shows real manliness. It is why I like your channel so much. Keep up the great work.

Very cool video man. Your my example for gym goals and bow goals dang your buff! Mad respect. Also i have heard it being more efficient in powering the arrow. I did hear they were historically lower poundage and lighter arrows I have heard

It was a good video 😁 it's good to see everyone has those days

I'm do not know how it took Administrative Results for me to know you exist on KZfaq. I usually watch more medieval weapon stuff than firearm content. Thanks for working with the guy so I could learn about ya.

Hey Dash! One of my favourite videos to date for me, as an archer who is only on a 60lb longbow, it was fascinating to see the difference in performance of the bows 😮 Dont stress about small mistakes in form/video making, we all have those days 😅 Im personally more partial to the English longbow because of my heritage on my Mothers side, and ive always loved the look of the longbow. Anyway great video as usual 👌

I still really enjoyed the video. Thank you for posting it.

Awesome dude :) love your bracer gauntlet

“Fudge!, gosh dang it!” The words of a true father 😂 I’ve had to retrain my vocabulary for my niece and nephew and say the same things

Your positivity is contagious! Love it

You did great mate!! I shoot English longbows here in England. But....48-52#. I believe that in battles like Agincourt, etc, the arrows being shot high into the air and raining them down on the enemy, heavy arrows were of high importance. The bow just had to shoot the arrow the distance. The damage was done by the heavy arrows falling from a good height and hitting at a speed of 100mph. The arrows weren't shot at the enemy directly. The arrows raining down from a great height and the sky turning black, was reported by a French chronicler who whitnessed the battle. I thought your shooting was great though!! I have shooting videos on my channel @davesheppard8797, but not with monster bows like yours!! Best wishes, Dave.

The longbow is easier to build to a heavier weight, recurve bows seem to be about 10-15% more effective per poundage so a 120llb draw could be as powerful as a 150llb longbow, but in the time to make the recurve about five longbows could be built. Bang for the buck they are fairly similar in the long run. As for on days and off days, I shoot between 60-80 llb bows and somedays it's a breeze and I'm thinking, right let's make a 90llber then a few days later im struggling with 70llbs. There is no hard and fast rule and anyone who says ' I shoot 100llbs' yet they do not train ( I have to train, away from shooting) are basically fecking liars. Great video keep the human element going cheers - addersbowman

Years ago I read that the Huns used light bows which obviosly, as you proved, won't penetrate shields or armour. The Huns basically in undated an area with arrows until a man got hit somewhere unprotected and fell, exposing more legs and arms in the opening. They kept it up until they broke up the cohorts. I forget how Mongols defeated armored knights but you probably know. Nice video!❤

We have been waiting for this for a long time

Its nice to see im not the only one who has bad days with the heavy bows lol. Maybe you can remake the recurve vs longbow another time, but this video was great in its own way. And kinda the positive boost i could use rn. Just broke a bow i was building in the final stages of tillering😅

i truly enjoy your content keep it up

Love your humility mate and it's awesome to see your subs going up😊 In my opinion you are still criminally short of subs. Keep it up mate👊

That was still very cool and impressive! Thanks for sharing

Still a great video, man that recurve has some punch. 😮

Excellent, keep on keeping on. Take care.

The data is still valid in a comparative sense since you were having the same equally bad day with both bows. Also, this was still a great video even if you were off or lost footage. You were still able to share what you observed and provide information I am not in a situation to gather myself.

Love your content man! I started archery at 10 but it was on and off. Your content inspired me to go out to Japan to shoot the Yumi, England to shoot the longbow, and Mongolia for the recurve. Adventure + purpose! Thanks, chad!

great vid thanks

"The days that feel like failure are the ones that build character" - I need to make a plaque with this inscription and hang it on the wall. 👍😅

I have a European laminated shortbow just like that, I love it, but it would have cost as much as 10 longbows to make in 1500AD Europe.

Dude id love to see you start getting into more eastern archery!

Great video would love to see more comparisons between the two boss and more besides

Another great video. Keep practicing so we can see what els you can do with it.

Even with bows we hunted with I've noticed the longbow draws smoother for me up to 80 pounds. And it's more forgiving. The recurve is pretty and it can be fast. But it doesn't forgive or feel as smooth as the longbow

We all have bad days bud! Just get up and go again! Love your stuff, keep it up.

Good video still! Good data. Thanks for sharing

A lot of variation within and between them. Based on the skill of the bowyer a lighter bow can outshoot a heavier one. Arrow weight matters too. English war arrows could be twice as heavy as Turkish war arrows. Manchu war arrows could be 40 inches long and weigh 1,800 grains from bows over 160 lbs. Joe Gibbs shot heavy 972 grain arrows from a 170lb yew bow and 170lb Tartar horn bow. The Tartar bow was about 6 fps faster and 20 yds farther. He did finger draw with both. Thumb draw with the Tartar, even at same draw length could have given him another 6-10 fps/20-30yds.

It may just be me, but i times i think i see you smiling when you speak about the bows and all, you must be having lots of fun!

You should try an Eastern style composite bow, at a ‘warbow’ weight, for comparison. They have ‘siyahs’, stiff ears that extend from the end of the limb, which give leverage at the end of the draw, resulting in that ‘letting off’ effect that you mentioned. They would also be contemperaneous with the longbow…sort of ‘East’ vs ‘West’.

I love how you mentioned, that the force builds up at a shorter draw length in the case of the recurve bow. That is the physical reason behind it's higher efficiency. If you make a diagram that's horizomtal axis is draw length, and the vertical axis is the drawing force (it can be easily calculated from draw weight), and you mark the points for each draw length the measured draw force, then the energy will be the area below these points limited by the two axis and a paralel vertical axis at the positon of your maximum draw length. Basicly, if the force builds up earlier the higher the energy will be.

The Hungarian József Mónus broke all records with his traditional laminated (wood, horn, string) recurve bow. He have now shot over 1 km with 70 lbs bow. I saw myself hitting a target 453 m away in a strong crosswind. (1/6 shot. 2 were about 30 cm from it.😮

You should try Manchu bow, often considered as the "longbow of Composite bow family". Historical arrows used by the archer using the bow can be as heavy as 1500 grain. Even higher. Not to mention the maximum draw length due to the shape of bow siyah can be as long as 35 inch.

Recurves are so cool! So are longbows! I can totally relate to having off days. As an archery newbie, I have a lot to learn. Your videos are always inspiring, thank you for sharing with us!

Hi, i did simillar experiment, but i used much, much lighter bows)), 60# longbow vs 60# assyrian. Assyrian was better in every way. My back hurts badly every time i watch someone shoots such a heavy bows) Great video, great strenght, good sense of humor!

I hate having filming problems lol, awesome video

I started out with western recurve bows and did it for years, but once I got into the technique on the Asian bows there was no going back. Hope to see more videos of you and the recurve bow..

Have you thought about training with a thumb draw on recurve bows? Obviously shouldn't start with such a heavy-weight bow, but it might be an interesting learning experience, definitely a great way to build thumb tendon and ligament strength.

I've watched archers fire on the move at moving targets with the recurve. I've never used anything but a recurve, but it seems like it's comparatively better suited for short draws, yeilding rapid launches. You can still generate a lot of force with a half drawn recurve. There's however a different positioning of the forehand and when drawing the bow back, it is done with the thumb instead.

Is there any difference between longbows and warbows or is it just the name?

If you graph force (draw weight) against draw length the area under the curve is stored energy. That means that the closer to a flat line the draw weight is the more energy the bow can store. Longbows have a curve that gets progressively steeper, so the last few inches of draw provide the vast majority of energy storage, recurve is more like a fairly steep straight line so the last half of the draw does store more energy than the first half, but not as extreme as a longbow. A compound is nearly like a flat line with a dip at the end so they can store an immense amount of energy even at low draw weights.

Live and learn. Every day.

First of all, I always appreciate a practical test. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior. 😁 The test itself didn't surprise me, the recurve is definitely a superior shape when it comes to bows. Most of the time I think. What I'm wondering is would a lighter arrow shot at higher speed, a longer draw length, meaning thumb draw, be more deadly. An idea for you to try 😁 We need more tests like this one.

Even on a bad day you're still gaining XP. 🤓 I think the English Longbow looks cooler and really suits you but you've found an upgrade and should use it. 🏹

I hunt wild with traditional bows in Australia. The most I've ever used is 100lbs, but I've shot mostly recurves and horsebows. I have a Hunn bow, Magyar bow, Old Scythian and a Turkish bow. Even though they're all around 70lbs they shoot and feel very differently. The Magyar, Hunn, and Turkish all have syahs, but they're all slightly different, and even between the Magyar and the Hunn, which have the same syah, the Hunn shoots differently because it's asymetric, which transfers a lot less stress to your hand. Of all my bows, I love the visual of the Magyar, but the Turkish is so much fun to shoot. Hard to explain. It's just Fun! ;-)

There is some interesting physics behind the results which are on first glance counter intuitive and would need a very long and indepth explenation. But the general gist of it would be this: Pulling the string back works on the leverage principle. The Longer the limbs the easier the draw, which means less force needed to bring the bow to full draw(Lower Poundage) How ever, as very evident here, to counter act this, english longbows get very thick to counteract the power loss in length. They become a very sturdy and reliable piece of equipment that way. Some are even given a bit of a curve on the ends. The recurve bow stays short in over all draw length, how ever it gets its power throuch the aditonal curves which gives it a high base pundage to over come. That is some what what causes the initial draw to be very tough as recurve makes the bow in itself longer with more power over a shorter draw length - how ever it shortens the over all draw length. Then there are the pinciples of friction in the limbs itself and powerloss due to material choice and thickness, which is the reason why bow limbs tend to taper and slim down to the ends, in an effort to lower the power conversion loss in the limbs. Judging a Bows impact power by its poundage alone is very hard, as this test nicely showed. Draw length, arrow type, arrow length, limb thickness and a couple of other things all factor in. I think the best way to determin it would be to messure the arrow speed like Todd from Todd's Workop did as it makes it possible to determin the straight up jules a projectile is flying at. My conclusion, the poundage of a bow does not make the weapon impressive or more or less effective. The poundage of a bow makes impressive the Marksman and athlete that draws it back and can reliably shoot it.

Where did you get your arm guard from, my last one got shredded when I was practicing with my 55lb recurve

Great video, great channel, thank you very much for putting this together and sharing your knowledge, this was very cool, I will chalk this up to a real live test, this is a great test, do not put yourself down at all, these are excellent results, specifically because as you put it not at the top of your game, you should be proud of yourself, because you are juggling everything else you mentioned, again great video excellent test results, real warfare/ combat you will be sleep deprived, malnourished, your muscles will be aching and sore, as an old instructor said to me it's three am and pissing down outside, do you still want to be a commando!? You haven't eaten in days, do you still want to ba commando!? You just rucked 25 miles, do you still want to be a commando!? God Bless

Dude you did show the result, and would have been same even if you shot perfect. If everything went the way we wanted we would never grow threw it. It was impressive 👍🏻💪

If this guy is in opponent team in Weapon era during Internet Apocalypse, then we are doomed 💀

Hey Dash, i may got an Video Idea for you. What about a tutorial "How i make my Arrows for a Warbow" ? Would be so interesting to see that. I really enjoy your Content. Keep going my Friend.

Great job show on bows

Bad days give more contrast to the good days, I suppose, hah! Either way, nicely done, that was some cool result in the end. That makes me wonder though, which max draw weight would be good for a mounted archer with a recurve bow?

I’ve been wanting to get into traditional archery for a while and recently me and my girl heave decided to do it I’m just not sure where to start as far as poundage. We are getting takedown recurves so we can swap limbs and adjust as we need. Do you have any advice for someone relatively new to archery in general?

You can also shoot a longbow all day long, but I get tired from 10 shots of my recurve.