Let's Talk About The Horrible State of The Internet

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Tsunul

Tsunul

Күн бұрын

The internet is honestly a weird place. But within recent times its seemed to have taken a gigantic turn for the worst. Every day you see some fandom being toxic, some brigade happening over nothing, or people having a meltdown over the mildest of things. I really don't know how we got to this point. But, I wanted to talk about it so here we are. In an hour long video essay format to discuss what has happened to the internet in recent times. Below you can see the timestamps for the topics I'll be covering in this video:
00:00 Intro
01:34 God Of War Ragnarok Review
02:34 Max0r playing Blue Archive
04:27 Honkai Impact 3rd Bunny Girl Situation
07:25 Zamii Steven Universe situation
10:57 Bridget Strive Controversy
14:52 Genshin Scaracat Situation
21:28 Penguinz0 (Cr1tickal, etc he's got a lot of names) Situation
26:17 Jocat Situation
27:51 Vellmori Situation
51:44 Project Moon Fandom
57:56 Outro
Pastebin to all sources in the Vellmori situation: pastebin.com/rdN7CJy6
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@Zedfanboi
@Zedfanboi Ай бұрын
Also you know the old saying "people on the internet will treat fictional characters as if they real people and then talk about real people as if they were fictional and then get mad at you for knowing the difference"
@user-ky2hg7fg4j
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Ай бұрын
That quote is used to defend the sexualization of children lmfao.
@ShinigamiKristak
@ShinigamiKristak Ай бұрын
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j I'm out of the loop on that one, who used that sentence to do this?
@abdallahawad9262
@abdallahawad9262 Ай бұрын
​​@@user-ky2hg7fg4jOh mah god, I didn't know paintings had ages?
@RoyalTfrii
@RoyalTfrii Ай бұрын
​@user-ky2hg7fg4j Guess we know now that you can't separate ficticious concepts from reality
@paticat79
@paticat79 Ай бұрын
But Mr.Amojusu is real
@LordSkullington
@LordSkullington Ай бұрын
the internet, the place where "Ignore stuff you don't like" is literally impossible for some people.
@hasanmuttaqin464
@hasanmuttaqin464 Ай бұрын
What do you mean by that? Of course u could ignore stuff i don't like and comment i didn't agree with, you're just jealous with other people having fun, it's not like everyone want to end your life or doxx you, zometimesbi istmoa justbnsnsomeb kidna bandte rkozl iwndin dunxne
@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811
@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811 Ай бұрын
​@@hasanmuttaqin464 what
@kelvinfaza2895
@kelvinfaza2895 Ай бұрын
​@@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811here my friend is another example of it lmao
@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811
@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811 Ай бұрын
@@kelvinfaza2895 I'm trying to comprehend what Hasan is saying, is it just me who thinks he's speaking gibberish or am i stupid?
@kelvinfaza2895
@kelvinfaza2895 Ай бұрын
@@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811 well...the first part is not gibberish but is out of context. Meanwhile the last part is gibberish AND out of context
@zombiepenguin7134
@zombiepenguin7134 Ай бұрын
*"The greatest thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice. The worst thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice."* - The Click
@Mwilli2132
@Mwilli2132 21 күн бұрын
Yeah, that sounds like something he’d say.
@monochrome4937
@monochrome4937 Ай бұрын
Back then the Internet was a break from reality. Now reality is a break from the Internet.
@bang1054
@bang1054 Ай бұрын
All this is barely a scab wound tbh. People back then would post fake tutorials on how to make beautiful home decorations, but ended up being tutorials of making mustard gas. By the time the information got passed that this was dangerous and false information, people had already been injured / killed for making it without any protection gear. The Internet didn't change, you just became more exposed to the darkness from it.
@realdragon
@realdragon Ай бұрын
This is so deep, it needs lifeguard so people don't drown
@ethanwmonster9075
@ethanwmonster9075 Ай бұрын
Reality is where the people who'd dox get reported to the local sheriff. If people acted on the internet like they did in reality no one would be doxxing anybody over stupid stuff.
@zeosummers3984
@zeosummers3984 Ай бұрын
@@bang1054 people back then did know about all that stuff but it didn't matter. The Internet has swapped places with the real world. That Darkness was always big but now you're forced to dance to it's tunes. In the past you were allowed to move on.
@zeosummers3984
@zeosummers3984 Ай бұрын
The Internet use to be so free, I miss those days.
@diavolojaegar
@diavolojaegar Ай бұрын
"Know the line of reality and fiction" "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one" these 2 rules are what always keeping me humble at all times.
@Mister_Domm
@Mister_Domm Ай бұрын
Unless the person is into loli, cub, or beastiality pron.
@nitro143
@nitro143 Ай бұрын
The second one is the harsh truth that I'm gonna learn from.
@longislandicedtea6323
@longislandicedtea6323 Ай бұрын
Amen to that
@antagonisticalex401
@antagonisticalex401 Ай бұрын
Keep Wacky Stuff Fictional Keep Wacky Stuff to Yourself I was talking with my friend about this exact thing you're commenting about and he came to this type of conclusion. I mean I think this is also pretty spot on for the internet personally. First one keeps you legal. Second one keeps you from being shunned anyways despire being legal. Pretty damn good reasoning just like yours.
@arogon8797
@arogon8797 Ай бұрын
Every day the line between fiction and reality blurs just a bit more. The internet is proof of this with the shit that’s happened just in this video alone.
@oggerts7121
@oggerts7121 Ай бұрын
Gotta love the limbus company community is praying for Maxor to play limbus because they use limbus music while the blue archive community has a meltdown
@Puppet443
@Puppet443 Ай бұрын
we love PM
@ninguem8872
@ninguem8872 Ай бұрын
Well, not everyone in the community. Unfortunately there are a lot of gatekeepers...praying that max ignores these people lol
@dukenintendo
@dukenintendo Ай бұрын
hopefully he doesnt, what he did to the MGRR community, it makes me irrationally upset.
@user-jb7vv4bz5p
@user-jb7vv4bz5p Ай бұрын
He might as well, can't be worse than the roblox kids
@naganwhat8364
@naganwhat8364 Ай бұрын
​​@@ninguem8872I meaaaaaan... Gate keeping isn't that bad? Like, as PM community is now, it's prefect, like legit my favorite fandom, ever (love you all
@solus1247
@solus1247 Ай бұрын
My mom used to always warn me to never interact with random people online, as they could be a degenerate insane weirdo. And upon the day I turned 18 and started actually exploring the internet(I had only used it to watch horror games on KZfaq up until that point), I can safely say... ... She was right all along. I have never felt prouder to be some slightly functional shut-in that very rarely interacts with people, especially those online.
@SwordFighterDoggo
@SwordFighterDoggo Ай бұрын
I am a degenerate wierdo so i don't interact with random people because i don't want to expose people who are not to my degenerate wierdness
@HackersSun
@HackersSun Ай бұрын
hey hey, I just don't like interacting with people I have no common interests with :P as far as real life interactions, they really exhaust me, and I'm a broke gal so youtube and internet is is =D
@Conkel
@Conkel Ай бұрын
Agree
@emberthecatgirl8796
@emberthecatgirl8796 Ай бұрын
Safe to say, you are on a twitter drama video. I think you changed.
@Blint338
@Blint338 29 күн бұрын
FR, im far from the most stable person in the world. i, and a good chunk of my family are bi polar. but i have never even felt the pull to send death threats, much less make an attempt to act out those threats. i dont want you to burn in hell because you dont share the same oppinion as me on a fucking fictional world. i prey to whatever god is out there that this next generation breaks the cycle. but given how many times i have had a 6 year old tell me to go kill myself, i doubt it will happen.
@Korotan_
@Korotan_ Ай бұрын
“The internet has made y’all really comfortable on saying things that you would get you punched for in reality”
@jadethejaded.3703
@jadethejaded.3703 26 күн бұрын
Those people who were harassing others in the video thought that.
@defaulted9485
@defaulted9485 23 күн бұрын
We need more people like Mike Tyson.
@user-ku8yi5to4f
@user-ku8yi5to4f 23 күн бұрын
Not like reality is better, people are destroying each other in reality too
@fatcat5817
@fatcat5817 21 күн бұрын
So? True freedom is dangerous. ANYONE trying to seriously "police" remove, etc... The internet. Will cause a veteran, to k1ll the internet themselves. (At least in the US, for now). The grid is pathetically weak, and just asking for a coordinated 3mp attack.
@snipermagoo
@snipermagoo 12 күн бұрын
Yeah, imagine being able to say what you actually think.
@user-pb4mv2nb7e
@user-pb4mv2nb7e Ай бұрын
The gender conflict in Korea is so serious that they are looking at the birth rate of 0.6
@Nebukanezzer
@Nebukanezzer Ай бұрын
The crippling work culture is also a main factor there.
@mx338
@mx338 Ай бұрын
That is more deeply rooted in their economic reality rather than the social one, with very long working hours and a lot of economic inequality.
@sellis2819
@sellis2819 Ай бұрын
@@Nebukanezzer if it was just working conditions why did so many in the victorian era have 5+ kids and why in places like hungary is the birth rate increasing even though the working conditions have to some degree gotten worse?
@murlocmaster6192
@murlocmaster6192 Ай бұрын
i dont understand why people make such a deal about a social construct that dont mean jack! I DO WHAT I WANT!!! Also, look, if ur worry about a dumb social construct that dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things, then ur living a very luxurious life where u dont have other problems to think about that the rest of us do. I got 999 problems and gender isent one of them i could care less what everyone is. also i feel we have way to many people in the world so 0.6 birthrate is fine by me but thats cuz i havent yet to think about the consequences of that
@manboy4720
@manboy4720 Ай бұрын
@@sellis2819 people had loads of kids in the victorian era because they knew that at least 3 of them would drop dead because of polio or some shit. you've got your kids, then you got your 'backup kids'.
@GabrielRochapas
@GabrielRochapas Ай бұрын
Man the brain rot is a global epidemic a avengers level treath
@Monsterpala
@Monsterpala Ай бұрын
I curse the day I opened Instagram. Thought reddit and 4chan were the bottom. 😮
@jakehildebrand1824
@jakehildebrand1824 Ай бұрын
​@@Monsterpalathe real bottom of the barrel is Twitter.
@dawidsmigielski1232
@dawidsmigielski1232 Ай бұрын
And yet the internet had the balls to say skibidi toilet is brainrot Skibidi toilet is little spec in the endless brainrot if the internet
@jakehildebrand1824
@jakehildebrand1824 Ай бұрын
@@dawidsmigielski1232 its also the most braindead spec in the endless brainrot of the internet.
@Zynet_Eseled
@Zynet_Eseled Ай бұрын
​@@Monsterpala even 4chan is more calm than Twitter.
@megatennepster3833
@megatennepster3833 Ай бұрын
The steven universe artist thing is insane because like, people draw women with bigger chests or chubbier stomachs than normal. Drawing characters with alternate body types is CONSTANT
@DLAXTOX
@DLAXTOX 25 күн бұрын
Context was key
@Robocrab-td8dr
@Robocrab-td8dr Ай бұрын
Crazy how a lot of this can be summarized as "Me when fictional character:"
@maribellea
@maribellea Ай бұрын
The scaramouche drama was so much bullshit. To get upset over a fictional character, i will never understand what the fuck goes through peoples mind over shit like that.
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe Ай бұрын
Not just upset, but even slightly MURDEROUS, for a stupid character in a videogame.
@soulknight5190
@soulknight5190 Ай бұрын
They have no life irl so they become so ingrained into the internet that they can’t see fiction from reality
@DIDIWIDJAJA
@DIDIWIDJAJA Ай бұрын
and plus, they killed a cat. because they hate a fictional character. in a gacha game.
@L16htW4rr10r
@L16htW4rr10r Ай бұрын
Insecurity and/or jealousy I suppose 😊
@user-wg1fp4zn6s
@user-wg1fp4zn6s Ай бұрын
China 😩😩😩man 😩😩😩😩
@Inferno_Engineer
@Inferno_Engineer Ай бұрын
Yep… Welcome to the Internet
@chaoseq69
@chaoseq69 Ай бұрын
by Bo Burnham
@kingdynal7735
@kingdynal7735 Ай бұрын
Have a look around.
@TOVB1
@TOVB1 Ай бұрын
​​@@kingdynal7735 anything that brain of yours can think of can be found
@heasxd
@heasxd Ай бұрын
Everything that brain of yours can think of can be found
@HeyItsJayDC
@HeyItsJayDC Ай бұрын
We've got mountains of content
@Trick_iOS
@Trick_iOS Ай бұрын
I remember getting hated and called a literal psychopath for simply enjoying the undertale genocide route they said some shit like the game was a personality test and I'm a psychopath and should get help simply because of liking the genocide route in undertale
@zanwrightmfwr756
@zanwrightmfwr756 Ай бұрын
Same. I liked tanks, and when i was young, ive been called and indoctrinated to believe that i am a [german ww2 soldier]. It became my persona up until i learn what it is years later (i live in asia, we were never taught of ww2 as much)
@kqlolll2618
@kqlolll2618 6 күн бұрын
Bruh dude i was in a toblox game once and i was talking about this anime, not even wierd in the slightest but instead a very good one with a very good story, and one dude looked it up and immediately started calling the charachters l@lis because they were literal middle schoolers, and started calling ME a literal minor wierd and said that i should be kept 3 miles away from schools.. im literally a minor.. I still remember that because it baffles me.. and if the guy immediately thinks that about any anime or show that has young charachters then it probably shows he was the wierd one, as he probably saw alot of.. that. Mf needs to touch grass though, legit called a child something horrendous because of a show 😨😨
@Trick_iOS
@Trick_iOS 3 күн бұрын
@@kqlolll2618 bro, i don't even know what to say. It called you pedophile for just watching a show that has underage characters??? It's saying watching any show that involves kids in any way is pedophilia, that mf really calling you a pedophile over pixels even though you're a minor and even if it's loli. How do you even call someone a pedophile for something that does not even exist outside of the internet? Like it's not even a real thing, it's literally just pixels
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 2 күн бұрын
These people who call the video game, Undertale, a "personality test", have no connection to reality whatsoever.
@demilung
@demilung Ай бұрын
I miss my 2008 Internet, if you remembered 3 simple ruls: 1) everyone's a jackass 2) they're most likely trolling so don't take anything seriously and 3) this is not real life - you could have a lot of fun with it.
@thenerdyknight1559
@thenerdyknight1559 Ай бұрын
Same. It was the internet golden age
@norikofu509
@norikofu509 Ай бұрын
I personally still live my online experience by those 3 rules... it is so easy to enjoy the internet like this
@Normief
@Normief Ай бұрын
🥺
@myri_the_weirdo
@myri_the_weirdo Ай бұрын
Never lived this period, but thanks for the tip
@Cruxis_Angel
@Cruxis_Angel Ай бұрын
Internet went to shit along with gaming once the 2010’s came and progressively getting worse every year
@SunsetCompass
@SunsetCompass Ай бұрын
Truly I’m terrified for the future of kids growing in this internet climate. Like for people who are older like us it’s easier to tell when something is taken out of context and just plainly wrong, but for kids most of the time it’s just not the case and they’re quick to follow whichever group is the loudest, which sadly leads to controversies like the Zamii or the Scaramouche one.
@legioneras4576
@legioneras4576 Ай бұрын
That is why parents must watch over the kids. But for me problem is: there was a grown ass peoples over 30 who does that and do stuff, like what kids is doing
@scug1997
@scug1997 Ай бұрын
​@@legioneras4576Yeah, you gotta remember for these kids to have grown with this content, there were already older people making it. As someone who grew up on the internet, you either end up kinda ok, really fucked up or just stay profoundly ignorant. Either way, you end up constantly overwhelmed and with more shit in your head than you have time to process. People will claim it's the parents jobs to supervise what their kids watch on the internet, but to me that's just plainly wrong. These platforms are made to constantly barrage you with outrageous stuff, it's the logical consequence of an attention-seeking algorithm, what catches people's attention? Outrage. Both adults and kids alike are being fed this shit nonstop, and who's to say the parents are to trust? Isn't it a recurring topic how out of touch older generations are? Weren't they the ones that passed all this hate down to us? They were, after all, the first ones to use the internet. What we see today is just the extreme of what was already planted beforehand. I certainly know I didn't trust my parents, and I was right to do so, if I depended on them I would just end up as their ignorant little doll. I had quite an extreme misogynistic phase, but if it was for my parents I wouldn't even be allowed to figure it out and grow, I would just stay silently misogynistic and not think about it. These aren't individual problems of individual parents not caring for their kids. It's a systemic one, our whole society is built on hatred and the whole internet survives off of profiting off that hatred. Parents just want to close their kids eyes and keep them ignorant so only their biases are passed onto them, while the internet just wants to overwhelm them with more and more horrible shit so can they can profit off of it. What kids need is a safe space for them to develop their own ideas, taking inspiration off many different perspectives while being reminded to keep a critical outlook. But that place doesn't exist. So, kids are just left to wander the digital wasteland all on their own, with only luck and the hope that they had and find some positive influences that don't radicalize them into some horrible shit.
@legioneras4576
@legioneras4576 Ай бұрын
@@scug1997 You know, a great point. Kids should have there own "kindergarden" of internet. But mostly true. You right about parents, I as myself hid a lot of secrets from parents, and don't want to show them even now. Maybe it's my thing, but in internet you either, try to understand with your kid what is going on around him and try to teach him, how to think by himself, so that way he wouldn't get into a scam and, for the god sake, some sort of cult, or supervise them. Should parents supervise there kids? Hard to say in 2024. No? Yes? This question for me was so hard to answer, that need more a full scientific psychology work, rather then a random comment guys. Answer lies somewhere in between, and people don't like that. Parents should be interested in what kids is doing, but don't need to full control and obliterate there personal space
@scug1997
@scug1997 Ай бұрын
@@legioneras4576 Exactly, a parent should be someone the kid can rely on to help them THROUGH whatever they may encounter, not someone to control them, neither completely neglect them
@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920
@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920 Ай бұрын
Don't worry there won't be that many kids to begin with, all that's left is to make sure the few kids we do have around cant access the internet till they're of age.
@gigagge
@gigagge Ай бұрын
“The internet is cooked” We’ve been past that point for a long, long time now. There isn’t even a spec of dust left for common decency to be found in some places.
@silxer3154
@silxer3154 Ай бұрын
Don't want to be too negative but I wouldn't just say just the internet is cooked. :\
@kelvinfaza2895
@kelvinfaza2895 Ай бұрын
Nah it's not cooked, it's roasted!
@merlitamemirata45
@merlitamemirata45 Ай бұрын
Nah it ain't roosted, it's cremated!
@ArjunTheRageGuy
@ArjunTheRageGuy Ай бұрын
Nah, I don't think it got cooked, roasted, or cremated. If anything, it probably got grilled instead.
@absolutionone
@absolutionone Ай бұрын
@@ArjunTheRageGuy It was turned into fine cuisine and fed to the discord mods that now run all these sites.
@SogGuy846
@SogGuy846 Ай бұрын
the vellmori situation sucks but theres one shining light in the end - shes been posting art on her instagram and has opened up a patreon where she takes commissions, which is refreshing to see she didnt just vanish off the face of the internet because of what happened
@longislandicedtea6323
@longislandicedtea6323 Ай бұрын
That's nice to hear!
@Vesta_the_Lesser
@Vesta_the_Lesser Ай бұрын
"refreshing to see she didnt just vanish off the face of the internet" Yeah, I'm glad she didn't let the terrorists win.
@Sonic_The_Weredog
@Sonic_The_Weredog 12 күн бұрын
Good for her ❤😊
@user-mw5ey1xt7l
@user-mw5ey1xt7l Ай бұрын
The funny thing about the JoCat situation is, its based on an already existing song, just with the genders swapped. I remember seeing a shit load of memes with it, and noone ever got hate for it, as far as i know.
@loganshaw4527
@loganshaw4527 Ай бұрын
The spooky slash is like monster smash.
@captainremington5109
@captainremington5109 5 күн бұрын
Dude simped hard for the LGBT community and so they decided to dox him when they found out he was straight. I don't really want to victim blame especially when the community is vile, but he was warned much earlier.
@Memuer
@Memuer Ай бұрын
Schools really need to start teaching children how the internet works, what to watch out for and especially to ALWAYS double-check information
@paticat79
@paticat79 Ай бұрын
OMG THİS İS WHAT I TOUGHT WHİLE WATCHİNG THİS VİDEO HİGH FİVEEE!!!!!
@Shotgun-op3yr
@Shotgun-op3yr Ай бұрын
That's a good idea
@Turahk
@Turahk Ай бұрын
but did you double-check everything said in this very video? lol ofc not
@Memuer
@Memuer Ай бұрын
@@Turahk You don't need to double-check something if you don't engage with that information any further and stay unbiased anyway. Just don't start blindly believing what other people say. It's quite obvious what I was trying to say.
@Turahk
@Turahk Ай бұрын
@@Memuer you watach the video meaning you engage, you may be unbiased but the uploader may not be. So yeah, follow your own advice.
@edgarmarques4646
@edgarmarques4646 Ай бұрын
Tsunul: BTW I'm bisexual Me: We know sweetie.
@SenorFluffy
@SenorFluffy Ай бұрын
I am shocked. Shocked I tell you
@enider
@enider Ай бұрын
@@SecoOrlov what is that supposed to mean
@lemontreeeee4586
@lemontreeeee4586 Ай бұрын
I thought he was gay
@zenithd.8781
@zenithd.8781 Ай бұрын
Tsunul 9 months ago, reviewing swimsuit sinclair: "I'm not gay, but..." Tsunul now: "So maybe I'm a lil gay..." (In case it wasn't clear I think this is a wonderful development it is my favorite)
@najmiaiman1
@najmiaiman1 Ай бұрын
One thing that i learn is we are not gay. we are just attracted to guys
@bluichimirai
@bluichimirai Ай бұрын
If I’m being honest, sometimes I feel just tired of all the controversies and I just wanna hug people. I felt horrible for Dino Dave after everything he got, despite not agreeing with almost everything he said in his infamous review video, I felt my heart sink seeing the whole vellmori situation unfold. I also had no idea of extent to which you got harassement from the community for such small things. I just… wanna hug every single one of you. As childish as it may sound. I am a grown ass man now with a car to pay and a full-time job to get soon after I end my four-year college degree, yet I feel saddened by people of all ages fighting for meaningless “victories”. Before I end this goalless text drawn by my still beating child’s heart, I want to say that I feel happy that despite all of the negativity, we can still be positive among each other in return. In a world where I, as a new young adult with still much promise, see people fight and tear each other’s throats, seeing genuinely good people uphold messages of kindness and sincerity, truly, helps me realize that despite the depression that follows me still, I can keep going for myself and those around me. Isn’t those kind of stories the reason why many of us love the stories that project moon give us? Saying what flows freely to my mind, for once not veiled by me and my younger peers’s cynical view of the world is immensely more valuable and liberating than any arguing has ever done to me. This comment had no real purpose but to express my unfiltered (and very disorganized thoughts brought upon by a serious case of my adhd) gratitude for people like you, and bravo for this great video.
@AdamSmasher-lz9ef
@AdamSmasher-lz9ef Ай бұрын
Well said. I wish you a good life, wherever you are. Thank you for the positive message 👍
@LuznoLindo
@LuznoLindo Ай бұрын
The fact you wrote this shows how deep your heart truly is.
@m4yr4i
@m4yr4i 7 күн бұрын
I wish you luck too dude. We might be strangers online, but the kindness was felt in your message.
@kqlolll2618
@kqlolll2618 6 күн бұрын
As long as good people are in the world, we can help it. I never let things slide, and i always fight for the better
@RyoshusShitposts
@RyoshusShitposts Ай бұрын
2014 Tumblr was fucking wild man...
@interlapsed
@interlapsed Ай бұрын
I'm so glad that I joined Tumblr after all the insane people moved to twitter because now it's just people either shitposting or showing cool art they made without any discourse in the comments/reposts
@L30GH05TDUD3
@L30GH05TDUD3 Ай бұрын
@@interlapsedat the cost of these type of people back in 2014 to migrate literally throughout all parts of the internet and making it the shithole it is.
@SWOONYMOONY
@SWOONYMOONY 28 күн бұрын
everyday was a scandel
@leviticusprime4904
@leviticusprime4904 25 күн бұрын
@@interlapsedfair but now that some political and gender bullshit has infected every other website.
@kqlolll2618
@kqlolll2618 6 күн бұрын
​@@interlapsedtbh idk.. it seems like another option to post art in.. but im kinda scared to go there because of the drama and stuff like the example in the video makes me scared.
@mariobartolini2158
@mariobartolini2158 Ай бұрын
as someone who only watched tsunul's pm videos, he spends spend 30% of the time insulting don, 20% simping for faust and 50% simping for sinclair, it doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that our boy ain't straight
@paps3060
@paps3060 Ай бұрын
based
@mariobartolini2158
@mariobartolini2158 Ай бұрын
@@paps3060 i knew my boy was too based and relatable to not be bi
@mrblazeapound7856
@mrblazeapound7856 Ай бұрын
Normally, based simping, but insulting Don is unforgivable
@Seblak
@Seblak Ай бұрын
​@@mrblazeapound7856 Tsunul isn't a jolly companion 😢
@berkhero3006
@berkhero3006 14 күн бұрын
I simp for Hong Lu and I am not gay... I think...
@NovaDark909
@NovaDark909 Ай бұрын
What happened to Jocat makes me so sad man...
@viktorgabriel2554
@viktorgabriel2554 Ай бұрын
and yet a large part of the internet supported the harassers sadly becose of who they where
@aerickmon3350
@aerickmon3350 Ай бұрын
@@viktorgabriel2554welcome to the new world Morality for everyone is based on who’s side you’re on compared to another
@templebeast1324
@templebeast1324 Ай бұрын
Apparently liking women of every shade and size is a war crime now by internet standards.
@BitchObama
@BitchObama 28 күн бұрын
I barely watch his stuff but I know his content is good so it was sad to see what happened to jocat
@FratoiuAlex
@FratoiuAlex 27 күн бұрын
​@templebeast1324 I feel many of them got pissed for not including trans rep in there, even when he said he supports them and think there awesome. I guess no one is allowed to be creative and show to the world. I already get pissed on the protesters ruining painting in museum because that will totally help with the global warming.
@AltClicker
@AltClicker Ай бұрын
“Ya boy is bisexual.” Ya boy is as straight as y=x^3… We could tell, Tsunul. No one is as big as a fan of Hong Lu and Sinclair without being at least a little fruity.
@Maneru5978
@Maneru5978 Ай бұрын
I am a gay dude and I can't consider myself a fan of Hong Lu and Sinclair, but if it helped Tsunul deliver his message, I'm glad. I have bi friends who are on the Hong Lu and Sinclair train as well.
@Nebukanezzer
@Nebukanezzer Ай бұрын
Everyone in Limbus is so hot For me it's Faust and Heathcliff
@femboylovr
@femboylovr Ай бұрын
I mean, it's quite a common joke in the community that most PM players are bisexual. I for one am a major Ishmael and Sinclair simp. If anything, it would be more surprising if tsunul came out as straight lmao
@realah3001
@realah3001 Ай бұрын
Ew
@AltClicker
@AltClicker Ай бұрын
@@realah3001 No one cares.
@Riko_Leonhart
@Riko_Leonhart Ай бұрын
as someone who grew up with internet, I hate internet culture, especially fandoms. I am so disappointed that so many people become the worst version of themselves over completely irrelevant stuff because of the way the internet have been for the past decade or two thank you for this video I genually hope that it'll help some people
@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro
@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro 26 күн бұрын
I blame the tumblr exodus for it. Tumblr culture being mainstream on the internet has ruined it. I hate how popular fandom culture has gotten because it has normalized this type of culture. Its really bad in the fnaf community. its why so much drama happens. When you mix ideology, degeneracy and mental illness into one batch this is what you get.
@flareblaze4576
@flareblaze4576 9 күн бұрын
Good thing I grew up with the internet, this hasn’t even happened before and then here we are in this situation. People are dumb in a way without common sense is makes me sad
@phuhuhuhu8090
@phuhuhuhu8090 Ай бұрын
After Limbus swimsuit incident I understood that just gacha community in general has the most unhinged fanbase. Not saying that they all like that, but, I would argue that precentage of degenerates in gacha community is above all other gaming communities.
@phuhuhuhu8090
@phuhuhuhu8090 Ай бұрын
Btw, I would recommend to watch video about this topic from "Moon channel" he actually explains why people (at least in Corea) care so much about some pixels in gacha games.
@legioneras4576
@legioneras4576 Ай бұрын
@@phuhuhuhu8090 He just explains why Feminism in Corea is what it is. Still could recomend to watch it, since it give a ground for Corean side of Velmori situation
@augustuslunasol10thapostle
@augustuslunasol10thapostle Ай бұрын
@@legioneras4576 he actually explains gender wars, korean incels and feminism its quite long since its a two parter def recommend for others
@Reynnan123
@Reynnan123 Ай бұрын
Gacha community fighting the anime community over who has the bigger amount of degenerate
@huzai7083
@huzai7083 Ай бұрын
Wait wasn't that moon channel the one that insisted that vellmori got fired?
@SenbonZakura467
@SenbonZakura467 Ай бұрын
As someone on the internet, I cannot stress this enough This place is nuts
@myri_the_weirdo
@myri_the_weirdo Ай бұрын
Humanity in a nutshell
@Indianmf
@Indianmf Ай бұрын
NIGGA THIS NUTS! 🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️
@loganshaw4527
@loganshaw4527 Ай бұрын
Every new gen is geting weirder then the last gen. "The stuff you read,the things you watch, the games you play."
@sonicfan82
@sonicfan82 27 күн бұрын
But not everyone acts like this though, genuine people exist.
@knifedude4195
@knifedude4195 Ай бұрын
I really like how you handled the Vellmori situation, and the massive bundle of missinfo mixed with with half truths mixed with bold faced lies made it a nightmare vortex to figure out a semi coherent timeline of events..
@colbycornwall2344
@colbycornwall2344 Ай бұрын
Basically people get crazy mad over dumb or basic nothings on the internet how far we have fallen and please do not be that type of person
@badguy8604
@badguy8604 Ай бұрын
what are you gonna do to stop me
@ZealotOfSteal
@ZealotOfSteal Ай бұрын
Not really surprising. If you have a group of thousands of people, you're bound to have some unhinged individuals. Now add to this internet echo chambers and how people are likely to only see the most extreme examples from their opposition. Oh yeah and let's not forget facebook finding that outrage is a reliable way to keep people on their site. Thus tweaking their algorithm to supply more and more outrage.
@skywoofyt5375
@skywoofyt5375 28 күн бұрын
@@badguy8604 i'm gonna sit here and judge you very judgementally >:v
@deedeedee5866
@deedeedee5866 Ай бұрын
It's unfortunate that this is now the modern internet that we have to deal with. People freaking out over the most nonchalant things. People getting wronged and hated over the smallest things. I can't really describe it without sounding like an idiot but i wish people were less sensitive over some topics that brings little to no harm for people other than your own belief that it is a bad thing when it never was. I wish one day we can just chill out for once and not overreact every single day. But that's a tall order especially for most people nowadays.
@Demopans5990
@Demopans5990 Ай бұрын
Just blast the following message along anytime some freaks out HTFU
@mrscruffles801
@mrscruffles801 Ай бұрын
People always mock anyone who says "people are too sensitive now", but just clowning on that argument doesn't nullify it, it's just being dismissive cause you don't like that it applies to you. People ARE too sensitive and reactive now. You think Kwite or Jenna Marbles got chased offline cause people nowadays have thick skin?
@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro
@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro 26 күн бұрын
I blame the tumblr exodus. Tumblr was the origin point for all this type of behavior, popularizing it and allowing to run rampant for years is what lead to the state we are in. This type of stuff used to only be contained in that place. but it has unfortunately taken control of the internet.
@mrscruffles801
@mrscruffles801 25 күн бұрын
I know this kinda irrelevant, but I meant some different youtuber not Kwite, I meant the "I like girls" one. Just felt like I needed to amend that for clarity's sake.
@mrscruffles801
@mrscruffles801 25 күн бұрын
@@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro I don't understand how it got so rampant. When it was contained on tumblr, we here on youtube made fun of it. Now it's the dominant mentality here. It's insane.
@AzureBlazes
@AzureBlazes Ай бұрын
Genuinely, the Vellmori situation is really depressing given how it was blown out of proportion from just misinformation alone started by a campaign of people who had nothing else to do but to complain something that was ultimately a non-issue (And seriously, who the fuck would wear a swimsuit in a fucking garbage DUMP? Seriously, they must've had illiteracy to the extreme, truly.) Sure, Ishmael did at the time get a lot of identities at the time, and as a day one player I can totally understand the frustration at the time, but for these idiots to be literally sifting through Vellmori's stuff is just creepy as hell and physically threatening Project Moon's workers, was just insane. Could Project Moon have more clear with their statements? Definitely. Was all of this drama necessary? Hell no.
@2265Hello
@2265Hello Ай бұрын
I will say I do think PM could have at least done a better job making preparations and protections (even if it’s limited) for their employees. But they could have handled the entire situation a lot better.
@enider
@enider Ай бұрын
@@2265Hello Yea, but that was frankly a result of them being a indie studio who had not quite adjusted to the growth of their games. Like Tsunul said Limbus was almost 5 times as popular that is hard to adjust your behaviour and make preperations for
@DELETED74572
@DELETED74572 Ай бұрын
+they made a gacha game. (People expected "fan service" if you know what i mean)
@user-ky2hg7fg4j
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Ай бұрын
PM couldn't have have more clear with their statements because VM herself literally requested them to lie about what happened in hopes that it'll cause less harassment.
@gigablast4129
@gigablast4129 Ай бұрын
then why was sinclairs identity in whats basically a swimsuit,pretty sure that was the reason they ultimatelly complained about
@Erven777
@Erven777 Ай бұрын
The Jocat situation really annoys me. I wasn't a fan of his content but my friend was and I watched a few videos. The video about girls was genuinely extremely wholesome and at best you can say it's "Cringe" however the fact he got doxxed and harasseed for it was genuinely so horrible it and cases like Valmori, Critical and others genuinely annoys me. Imagine being a adult and being tricked so easily. It's the same story every time. Something small blown out of proportion and then people lie or twist the narrative to make it worse. This video is very well done and perfectly explores how actually easy it is to lie on the internet and get away with it. It's like that scene in dilbert. Only that was a cartoon dog. Not real life people. Edit: fixed a couple typos
@monchete9934
@monchete9934 Ай бұрын
The worst part is that the original song was the same stuff, but a girl saying that for boys she liked. And as homophobic as it may sound, if a girl did the same song Jo Cat did, the hate would come only from the side everyone expects it to come.
@wanderingaceminecraftandmo8034
@wanderingaceminecraftandmo8034 23 күн бұрын
The Jocat controversy is straight-up evil for what those people did. He went back on Twitter and started doing art, and yet people still hate him and threaten him. All for basically saying "I love all women."
@Welvader
@Welvader Ай бұрын
Honestly a really great video on controversies and the butterfly effect of how some discontent among communities can cause a ridiculous amount of outrage. Looking at you, Limbus Summer situation. Its a shame that in the end of the day it was completely useless and that people still wage online conflicts over something that has ended over almost a year ago. Goes to show how deplorable some people can be even if you think highly of the community as people will latch onto anything to prove a point on the internet that has no merit at all and only serves to harm the community and the people they love(d). Overall excellent summary of the Vellmori situation, i'll probably be redirecting my video on the situation that's months old to this one to avoid further confusion. Glad to have been able to help with my snippets of info considering I never mustered up the energy to make a part 2, cause man it was so mentally draining at the time
@victorpedrosoceolin3919
@victorpedrosoceolin3919 Ай бұрын
It's really sad how everyone lost in the limbus summer thing Even the korean incels got nothing Really wished velmori was still working with pm
@Aedlmonrl
@Aedlmonrl Ай бұрын
​@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 the greatest loser was Vellmori, deprived of a job she wanted and looking at her art at the time, it was probably her best and equally as stressful peak in life. The one wronged so much over something so pointless and nothing to show for it
@rotonek2887
@rotonek2887 Ай бұрын
If only she made ish just as sexualised as sinclair, nothing like that would have happened
@The_ever_preset_Bee_Eater
@The_ever_preset_Bee_Eater Ай бұрын
Can someone translate to project moon, I can’t read this much
@legioneras4576
@legioneras4576 Ай бұрын
You also do a great somewhat journalist job to try to summarise the "what is going on" through a lot of misinformation around, even if you don't remember, I give the some summary from Russian news fan group, about when this storm is about to happen.
@dunethewanderer8944
@dunethewanderer8944 Ай бұрын
Honestly having a proper after action report of the whole Vellmori thing is good to have. I had no idea just how much mistranslation there was - I'd figured there were at least a few third parties translating it faithfully, but if they were they were being drowned out.
@user-ky2hg7fg4j
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Ай бұрын
A lot of people purposely mistranslated it [generally, Korean radfems who were wanting to take advantage of EN fandom ignorance and laziness]
@yojo8667
@yojo8667 Ай бұрын
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j I also remember people responsible of the situation also doing the exact same thing, trying to pen Vellmori as a pedophile and the like, and talking about it in their forums, coming up with more buzzwords to spin her as a villain.
@monsterking7676
@monsterking7676 Ай бұрын
The Bridget "character development" Comes off as someone who was constantly browbeaten and despite their actual beliefs and wants, gave up. Don't care much about the story of guilty gear in the first place, but from an outside perspective doesn't seem like what most people were touting it as.
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 2 күн бұрын
"Character development" my ass.
@merozero2818
@merozero2818 Ай бұрын
I'm glad to find someone who can share the worldview of "You can do whatever as long as you're not hurting anyone else." If everyone thought that way, the amount of stupid conflicts that would be avoided is incredible. My experience with the PM fandom has been mixed. A while back i would've said i would just continue to enjoy the content on my own. But recently i met a little group that did me a lot of good creatively, i started writing, making artistic stuff. And all because we enjoy something that is great. All fandoms are complicated, we can only hope and cling to the good parts of it all.
@manuel-dolmo4974
@manuel-dolmo4974 Ай бұрын
Humanity will never leave tribalism, people love to divide instead of understanding 😓😓😓
@Name_NotTaken
@Name_NotTaken Ай бұрын
Sadly true 😔
@zeal9442
@zeal9442 Ай бұрын
This needs to be pinned, because it's the ugly truth
@Brairthecliff2540
@Brairthecliff2540 26 күн бұрын
Because we were never meant to progress The reason we don’t see any intelligent life in the universe except for us is they were like us and eventually destroyed themselves in one way or another Life needs very specific conditions to even exist and for it to even become more than one cell is even harder and for it to have an explosion like the Cambrian and for it to get onto land is even harder if it does at all and for it to have intelligence like a crow or an elephant is super hard and for a full on human level intelligence is nearly impossible so we are eventually probably going to destroy ourselves
@gem_b7798
@gem_b7798 18 күн бұрын
You don't know whether humanity will leave tribalism or not though. No one can predict the future 100% accurately.
@alejandromaldonado6159
@alejandromaldonado6159 2 күн бұрын
Some ideologies and religion are inherently anti- peace. As long as there are people who want to conquer the world, as long as good people refuse to gatekeep and stand up for themselves then there will never be peace.
@SrakenKraken
@SrakenKraken Ай бұрын
it's honestly sickening how a skin for a character and another character *LITERALLY HOLDING A FCUKING AMPULE THE "WRONG WAY"* has almost escalated into a full-on RIOT
@user-ky2hg7fg4j
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Ай бұрын
That's not really what people were upset about though? The ampule thing I mean.
@candicejoesugoma8410
@candicejoesugoma8410 Ай бұрын
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j still doesnt justify the outrage?
@gloxiniaofrepost2649
@gloxiniaofrepost2649 Ай бұрын
Hey is your pfp the trader from soul knight
@mrscruffles801
@mrscruffles801 Ай бұрын
Can you give me some context here?
@candicejoesugoma8410
@candicejoesugoma8410 Ай бұрын
@@mrscruffles801 sure just watch the video called "Lets Talk About The Horrible State of The Internet" it shoul have all the context
@jojomicheldu59
@jojomicheldu59 Ай бұрын
I was born in 2006 so I didn't get to experience the true "old" internet that much, but even back in ~2016 the internet was so much better. Yes there was a lot of drama but it never got anywhere near the level of today. There's also the fact that the internet has been replacing the real world more and more, and I think it started around 2016 too, people were just having fun online before, and now everything is a mine field...
@Lunikyuu
@Lunikyuu Ай бұрын
I feel like this may be the best video I've seen at expressing why the internet tends to give me anxiety nowadays. Like, I feel like I'm constantly in a state of wondering whether any random thing I say or do will be used as "proof" that I do or believe things I actually find quite horrible and because of that I feel more closed off and paranoid than I used to. Autism and Anxiety really ain't doin me any favors in this world. Also thank you for taking the time to say that not everyone in a fandom is toxic. I've seen a lot of people say stuff like "well this person likes this thing, so they must be an asshole", which ironically contributes to the problems I have with the internet.
@gengen112
@gengen112 26 күн бұрын
i srsly agree with nd relate to you i kinda have a similar situation: i keep having this constant paranoia of someone just randomly finding something stupid i said back in 2018 and just make that "evidence" to why im a bad person or some shit i keep trying to remind myself that the past is past and i've changed since then but i still feel so scared. digital footprint has scarred me
@The_One_Eyed_Rouge
@The_One_Eyed_Rouge 21 күн бұрын
That's why I deleted my Twitter, Reddit account, and Facebook account. And the reason why I prefer talking to people physically. Texting gives poor understanding to humans because Humans ARENT designed, for that....
@kqlolll2618
@kqlolll2618 6 күн бұрын
I feel you, i feel like im paranoid in real life, and on here.. in real life i constantly was overthinking everything i said because i knew my classmates hated me and didnt liem me for no reason, always annoying me. On the internet im also cautious because ive had to deal with shit before, and i still deal shit today (there is another comment i made which is tldr some adult accused me of being something horrible because of something i liked in a game, that horrible thing being a predator when i am a literal kid) it feels like you arent free anymore, and everyone usually wants to hurt you. Hope seems so hard to maintain, and you become very cynical, but im trying my best to keep on going, as i cant let any of the bad things ive seen and been in slide.
@Zedfanboi
@Zedfanboi Ай бұрын
Cookie run fandom on twitter be like💀
@Tomion123
@Tomion123 Ай бұрын
I'm both curious and scared at the same time
@Zedfanboi
@Zedfanboi Ай бұрын
@@Tomion123 it just call out post on the mildest stuff and hypocrite basically
@skywoofyt5375
@skywoofyt5375 28 күн бұрын
Average Twitter "People"
@kqlolll2618
@kqlolll2618 6 күн бұрын
cookie run and object shows scare me tbh, the fandoms there are absolutely rabid from what ive sawn.. Why? Because i swear most of these people are kids
@izzymosley1970
@izzymosley1970 Ай бұрын
How ironic that a big part of the vellmori incident was because of an error in translation. Or another words project Moon fans not being able to read.
@kariellokwell914
@kariellokwell914 Ай бұрын
A lot of this is because many of these people view what they consume as their only and most sacred identity, almost elevating it to a kind of religion... Which speaks volumes to the state of emptiness of purpose and unity in general. Limbus was a satire, but people is distorting like in the game.
@kaskozhuk4158
@kaskozhuk4158 Ай бұрын
This is genuinely such a good video, and I hope a lot more people get to see it. It's so easy to forget that the most toxic parts of the internet are really small and you did a good job at getting that through. It's nice to hear somebody talk about things rationally when so much of the things people say online is overly eccentric just because that's just... the internet now. But I really appreciate this video.
@NepNep2020
@NepNep2020 Ай бұрын
Normally I would think of a witty remark, or something to joke about but man.. This is a message that so many people need to see, I really appreciate your calm and positive demeanor. I wish you the best, and I look foward to the new content you will make. You’ve brightened my view on humanity knowing that someone shares the same live and let live that I try so desperately to hold onto in this (for lack of better words) shitstorm. Thank you.
@NepNep2020
@NepNep2020 Ай бұрын
A real angela moment, breaking the cycle of endless (internet) violence.
@sidekic1109
@sidekic1109 Ай бұрын
Honestly Tsunul hit the nail on the head, the internet (through the power of anonymity) has become an echo chamber of hate (mostly social media) which is honestly quite sad, if only the internet could just go back to being a chill relax place again without people riling each other up for funsies because they get a kick out of it
@murlocmaster6192
@murlocmaster6192 Ай бұрын
thy internet has made people really comfortable with not getting punch in the face for their disrespect
@psychocrysis2
@psychocrysis2 Ай бұрын
The padded rooms of social media and their invulnerability to hostile raiding with various "safety" mechanisms is the worst thing Web 2.0 brought us.
@Demopans5990
@Demopans5990 Ай бұрын
I think China made the right call here by tying your online activities to you as a person through their national ID.
@psychocrysis2
@psychocrysis2 Ай бұрын
@@Demopans5990 Yeah if you're a fascist.
@Turahk
@Turahk Ай бұрын
no it didn't, stop doomposting
@ghhn4505
@ghhn4505 Ай бұрын
The Bridget shit just made me uncomfortable because it felt like they'd been forced into being trans and as a trans woman that just feels like shitty representation, and the fact the community just gobbled it up shows how low the standards are and any criticism is just brushed off with "NOOO UR HECKIN TRANSPHOBIC" I love how we can have free and open conversations here on the internet, very cool
@celvinardenwu5382
@celvinardenwu5382 Ай бұрын
The thing is, having a "respectable" and "mannered" debate or even a conversation is hard to do when slurs, insults, and hate are thrown the moment it started. And internet being essentially anonymous and a wildland just eventually lead to the inevitable outcome.
@insultinsultan705
@insultinsultan705 Ай бұрын
Yeah a person forced into feminization or be killed never rubbed me the right way about it either but yep everyone is just heccin transphobic!!
@SleepyMook
@SleepyMook 28 күн бұрын
The whole thing turned me off of ever liking the character ever again. Not because their trans because I frankly don’t care much about their gender but the entire community and controversy around the character and how the character has now overshadowed a lot of other characters in the series that I personally enjoy a lot more and is brought up in constant controversy and toxicity.
@Sh12pen
@Sh12pen 28 күн бұрын
I personally took it as a whole: No-one would question raising an amab boy as as a boy and an afab girl as a girl, yet the moment you switched that around and the individual is comfortable with it, is it seen as "grooming" or bad. And so, as any further discussion on the topic is going to be controversial to someone, just forget about it and accept it
@Sh12pen
@Sh12pen 28 күн бұрын
I personally took it as a whole: No-one would question raising an amab boy as as a boy and an afab girl as a girl, yet the moment you switch that around and the individual is _comfortable_ with it, is it seen as "manipulating/forcing gender upon a child" or bad. And so, as any further discussion on the topic is going to be controversial to someone, just forget about it and accept it
@COZYTW
@COZYTW Ай бұрын
"How can you hate me, when you don't even know me?" - Daryl Davis I feel like, if anything, the state of the Internet is reflective of the state of people in general. They're so miserably lonely that they have to cope with virtual stuff, spread their misery through hate and even then it's just for a small moment of glory where they can go to sleep at night without being aware of how their actions hurt others. Like, the real problem is that these people who start all this terrible shit get to sleep at night without the guilt, or compunction of their actions. How can they hate someone when they don't even know them? What colour do they like? What furniture do they prefer? What's their favourite choice of animal, the mainstream cat? The diligent dog? Some off-road choices like otters? Which games stay in their head as the most memorable? They know nothing, and only ever presume everything. That is sad, and really these phirestarters should be punished for it.
@shcdemolisher
@shcdemolisher Ай бұрын
I do agree, it is a dark miserable time, and I don't know when it will ever end. I hope one day it does, and that it will just be history to analyze by future generations far in the future.
@nitro143
@nitro143 Ай бұрын
I agree with this. They should be punished for their actions they've caused, but sadly, it can't be possible, because of anonymity, meaning they can say and do whatever they want, all while hiding behind a screen to prevent themselves from facing the consequences.
@rhael42
@rhael42 15 күн бұрын
@@nitro143 Punitive justice isn't justice; it's ineffective.
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 2 күн бұрын
​@@nitro143 then we all should stop using the internet and leave it to rot
@Aeon_Productions
@Aeon_Productions Ай бұрын
Ah yep, this video is indeed gonna be a fun one But in all seriousness this is does need to be talked about cause man is it depressing to see the internet to be the way that it is
@Yuri_Burger
@Yuri_Burger Ай бұрын
TSUNUL WITH THE FOOD THANK YOU SIR‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@LostGamerJ
@LostGamerJ Ай бұрын
There's a bit more context to the Bridget story. This had happened in the midst of when translators were caught and admitted to having changed content to insert memes and their own political viewpoints. This was also during the time when Twitter/X was waging a war against Traps (male characters who dress female but identify as male) and accuse it and anyone into it as being transphobic. Long time fans wanted to preserve Bridgette as they were while others saw it as inclusive even when they didn't support the series before. Many older fans believe the change was only added to try and appeal to a newer fanbase (things like this are still happening to this day due to Twitter/X drama). Either way this situation was very poorly handled and left a lot of parties feeling bitter
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Ай бұрын
Oh yeah. Forgot about that one manga that got mistranslated.
@DiegoHernandez-ts8by
@DiegoHernandez-ts8by Ай бұрын
I heard in Japan there was backlash for the change and he still a guy but in the west he tranz.
@fineanddandy26
@fineanddandy26 Ай бұрын
@@DiegoHernandez-ts8by No, Bridget is trans in the Japanese version as well.
@DiegoHernandez-ts8by
@DiegoHernandez-ts8by Ай бұрын
@fineanddandy26 I don't know man got this from this video that broke it down the controversy kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZqmRl8qel9qZp6M.htmlfeature=shared
@esbenm6544
@esbenm6544 Ай бұрын
@@espurrseyes42 cope
@Sagojika
@Sagojika Ай бұрын
Finally someone talked about this issues thank you. I want to add another topic to this list of horrible situations. Brad Taste In Music, a music review youtuber, very recently got a unjustified copyright strike that removes all of his monetization. And his whole livelihood is from youtube. He posted a video about this issue and got very emotional in the video. In the comments section of that video Melanie Martinez fans are making fun of him and saying things like "Thats what you get for badmouthing melanie" or "womp womp" and similar things only because he criticized her in the past. A person just lost their entire livelihood and people are mocking them only because they criticized their favorite artist.
@YukoHayase-sr8cb
@YukoHayase-sr8cb Ай бұрын
I love that my way to get out of the drama of vellmori was seeing the tweet that Mili made , it was amazing seeing Cassie beating out the allegations.
@ryominto
@ryominto Ай бұрын
wow really? Could you tell please what was that tweet about? I just didn't know that Mili also had a word in all this whichevershouldbecalled
@YukoHayase-sr8cb
@YukoHayase-sr8cb Ай бұрын
@ryominto If I recall correctly, Cassie tweeted about her being in the Tgs for limbus and a random dude calling her out for "being in the side with PJM." A little while late she called him out ( There was a mini drama of people calling her the worst and after that she just comtinued with her life, it wasn't something super big but seeing that Mili continued working with pm cleared all my doubts
@ryominto
@ryominto Ай бұрын
@@YukoHayase-sr8cb god, I really knew nothing about the scale of this conflict. When it's all occurred, I wasn't even paying attention like "again some twitter/asian stuff, PM will be good, nothing too serious, continue playing", and this video made me shocked, to say the least
@terit3747
@terit3747 Ай бұрын
Cassie wei is such a baller. She said Kim made a mistake and said she wasn't going to betray her lifetime friend and colleague. People who hate her can only dream of having a friend like her.
@0riginal_zer030
@0riginal_zer030 Ай бұрын
People often associate the word "dystopia" with some higher power stomping on the common folk by making life absolutely miserable. It's steadily becoming one of those words that are often missused. In some cases, people even consider having to go to a low-paying 9-5 shift at Walmart to be "dystopian". Don't get me wrong, I can see how miserable it is to work so hard and be paid so little, I just think that that situation doesn't do the word "dystopia" justice. Now, the constant fear from knowing that at any moment, a faceless mob of strangers can ruin your life over something insiginificant you did or said AND never be held accountable for it? THAT'S a dystopia. And the worst part is, it's not some shadow government nor a mega-corporate entity, it's just a mob of people who have to much time on their hands. Basically what I'm saying is, it's truly horrific how extreme and radicalized people can get when they feel like their actions have no consequences.
@rhael42
@rhael42 15 күн бұрын
The same conditions that force people to have to go to low-paying 9-5 shifts are the very same conditions that give rise to the aforementioned faceless, unaccountable mobs. It's just another consequence of the fundamental flaws at the very roots of how our society and culture are structured.
@chelsthegameruiner8669
@chelsthegameruiner8669 23 күн бұрын
The JoCat situation was truly upsetting and the primary reason why I dipped from Twitter. At any given moment, anything you say can offend someone even if its not meant to be offensive. He was especially loved in the Final Fantasy XIV community though I didn't learn about the situation until late 2023. There were obviously Twitter freaks going around in videos talking about the situation justifying the doxxing and threats by saying "well, he played Hogwarts Legacy." My brother in christ, he's allowed to enjoy the world of Harry Potter while not liking J.K. Rowling
@sysanim
@sysanim Ай бұрын
Haha, it's so funny, that Meursalt's book is so close to life situations, can't wait for his canto to hit hard.
@Did_No_Wrong
@Did_No_Wrong Ай бұрын
Its been said before, but people have gotten too comfortable with saying offensive or insulting remarks on the internet without the fear of getting decked in the face. Most of the things I see people spout on Twitter just for shits and giggles is so downright insulting and embarrassing that I would want avoid being seen in public if I ever said these things to another human being in person. People have no shame now.
@shcdemolisher
@shcdemolisher Ай бұрын
Agreed. We need to bring back the feeling of shame in people. This lack of feeling human connection to things is ruining us collectively.
@Did_No_Wrong
@Did_No_Wrong Ай бұрын
@@mrscruffles801 yeah its very LOL for people to make death threats and try pushing people to suicide.
@Did_No_Wrong
@Did_No_Wrong Ай бұрын
@@mrscruffles801 brother read the room, most of this video is Tsunul listing how people were either unreasonably sending death or trying to push others to suicide over minor opinions or not bothering to look up facts.
@ratedr7845
@ratedr7845 Ай бұрын
@@mrscruffles801 bro you know what they say, stop being so obtuse
@kqlolll2618
@kqlolll2618 6 күн бұрын
Empathy has been forgotten for too long We and everyone needs to do something tbh, we cant just continue to look at this all the time, we have to take action to actually make a better place
@D.D.E.D.R
@D.D.E.D.R Ай бұрын
my head hurt, i just wish that social media didn't exist. at this point it's doing more harm than good.
@shcdemolisher
@shcdemolisher Ай бұрын
I hope it does get shut down, slowly so that people can find more better ways to stay connected with friends and clean up the internet. Which in turn will help society get better. Hopefully but it's hard to have faith now.
@skywoofyt5375
@skywoofyt5375 28 күн бұрын
@@shcdemolisher I hope we just don't get information, like information just doesn't spread, like people will have their own small bubbles of knowledge and can live in peace with it, and like hopefully everyone is open enough to new knowledge where when they find different groups of people with different knowledge they try to learn from it instead of barbarically destroying it. The rapid spread of knowledge has just made people act rabid :3
@SquaredBirch2
@SquaredBirch2 Ай бұрын
idk why but i feel like i really needed this video. world's growing more and more extreme, its quite the depressing sight. but the final note really touched my heart. I think I will try a little harder tomorrow. thanks man
@BuraiTributeKing
@BuraiTributeKing Ай бұрын
To be fair I can understand the reluctance towards the new version of Bridget. I saw it unfold when it happened. Bridget wasn't new and had an established identity. Suddely there were contradicting information and things didn't make sense. In this case it's just a video game. I saw during the beginning of the pandemic in germany how contradicting informaiton can lead to a lot of confusion and chaos. While I don't condone the hate and violence, even if it's from the creator you should be able to say it's dumb idea regardless from modern politics.
@NinjaDoilyn
@NinjaDoilyn Ай бұрын
It's not a dumb idea and aligns with all the original visions of the character. Trans people will be Trans no matter how gross you find us
@euclidYT
@euclidYT 25 күн бұрын
Oh yeah absolutely, they threw Bridgets entire past in the dumpster. Real weird from a writers perspective.
@NoraNekos7
@NoraNekos7 20 күн бұрын
The issue isn't that people were sating "it's a dumb idea" but that they tried to deny Bridget being trans altogether. Also, no, it makes sense. It's... hard to explain, but... transgender people themselves say that it makes sense. And they probably know better about the whole thing than people that AREN'T trans
@BuraiTributeKing
@BuraiTributeKing 20 күн бұрын
@@NoraNekos7 Some trans people say it makes sense, some say it doesn't. Their experiences aren't the same.
@NoraNekos7
@NoraNekos7 20 күн бұрын
@@BuraiTributeKing Ok, yeah, that's fair. Still, it does mean that Bridget being trans DOES make sense
@kyarumomochi5146
@kyarumomochi5146 Ай бұрын
Its insane that most of these end up boiling down to people hating fictional ships or characters. What a joke
@DinoDave935
@DinoDave935 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the shoutout Daddy Tsunul UwO Now the ad revenue can let me buy the Shanks DLC for Pirate Warriors
@Welvader
@Welvader Ай бұрын
Homie i love you, but please never UwU ever again
@DinoDave935
@DinoDave935 Ай бұрын
@@Welvader ૮₍ ˃ ⤙ ˂ ₎ა S-So Mean mister Welvwader You-You's gonna make me cwyyyy (つ╥﹏╥)つ
@yes7442
@yes7442 Ай бұрын
Still wondering where the hokma pillow is
@twopercentflat4766
@twopercentflat4766 Ай бұрын
What the fuck did I walk into
@bullet3417
@bullet3417 Ай бұрын
Did Dino turned into femboy after he quit limbus?
@artenitalewis1541
@artenitalewis1541 Ай бұрын
Then someone will probably go "DoN't WoRrY, jUsT lOoK aT tHe PoSiTiVeS!" My brother in Christ, THERE ARE NO POSITIVES
@malaficus
@malaficus Ай бұрын
Not with the search engine constant censoring the good sites.
@Outlaw7263
@Outlaw7263 Ай бұрын
​@@malaficususe bing then
@labbit3574
@labbit3574 26 күн бұрын
“Oh hey look a positive aaaaaand it’s drowned out again”
@nooneyouknow13
@nooneyouknow13 Ай бұрын
The problem with Bridget thing is that it directly aligns with John Money's theories. And John Money turned out to be a total monster in trying to prove his theories were true, so the whole things makes people with knowledge on the subject extremely uncomfortable. Also it swapped femboy representation for trans representation, and swapping one fringe marginalized group for another is also rarely a good look. It is what it is though, and John Money is not well known in Japan at all, so shit happens. Still no excuse for harassment campaigns.
@zugetzuzu
@zugetzuzu Ай бұрын
Except John Money, if you at all were willing to learn about him, was arguing for "gender identity was malleable within the first 2 years of life", which isn't true, and his current day conservative generally believe in a John Money esque beliefs regarding gender, not necessarily inspired by him but some certainly were (hence why we do surgeries on intersex newborns/infants). In this case Bridget was always a transgirl and was raised a girl (without the story ever saying she didn't like it), wanted to prove she was manly because of the village superstition and to alleviate her parents from their negative feelings about Bridget being forced to grow up a girl, tried to live as a man off screen (implied to not be crossdressing, aka wearing normal dude clothes (which are probably very anime and cool because this is Guilty gear we're talking about), if you know anything about trans people or sociology/society), she ended up not like it and is really scared to return home or tell anyone because she feels like her parents might start feeling awful again or that the village superstition might return. I could go deeper into the history of gender and sociology and the scientific method and biology and philosophy, all things we need deep understanding to understand gender identity, which you clearly do not possess, and to a certain degree neither do I but I am more informed on this
@BuraiTributeKing
@BuraiTributeKing Ай бұрын
@@zugetzuzu k
@LuznoLindo
@LuznoLindo Ай бұрын
@@BuraiTributeKing That right there is why these terrible things happen: Being unwilling to understand how others feel and listen to what others say. Your comments under this video have proven you're one of them. Go ahead and reply to me with "k", as well; all I know is I'll never be like you.
@theliedetector2199
@theliedetector2199 Ай бұрын
​@@LuznoLindoBriget was essentially groomed into an identity. Are you saying you don't see a problem with that?
@NeoVault_
@NeoVault_ Ай бұрын
Bridget got groomed basically, unironically.
@stuckerfan2563
@stuckerfan2563 Ай бұрын
Thank you for actual research. There's a channel called moon channel that did a video on the vellmori topic but kept painting it that she was fired.The video kept implying that she was fired even comparing it to another incident where another korean company released a statement that their employee is leaving because gender stuff but was actually fired. Even though there's proof showing that vellmori left on her own volition
@donvitopatata
@donvitopatata Ай бұрын
I still wonder how it was in the end. I just hope it is more of a learning experience for the PMoon of today, than it is a dark shadow in the past
@fwapkiwami
@fwapkiwami Ай бұрын
​​@@donvitopatata i also hope Vellmori is doing fine after that heap of mess All this harassment and hate must really be really tiring to deal with
@LoliconSamalik
@LoliconSamalik Ай бұрын
Moon Channel also tried painting the feminist movement in Korea as noble and oppressed, when anybody with knowledge of what's going on would have quickly pointed to Megalian as the first problem with said feminist movement. He also spun his wheels on irrelevant Korean history in that same video...
@user-ky2hg7fg4j
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Ай бұрын
@@LoliconSamalik Yeah.. even a lot of Korean feminists [me myself too] will admit that radical feminism shot women in the shoot, and it'skind of the major reason why anti-feminism suddenly got so bad when it wasn;t that bad before.
@fuzita001
@fuzita001 Ай бұрын
@@LoliconSamalik No? To me the Moon video was decent. I did get lost a few times but from what I remember he tried to reach the origin of it all by taking the perspective of the woman who would feel justified taking a side in the gender war, he did clarify that while Megalia may have started out of women frustrations it has degenerated into misandry. Later, there was also a section taking the perspective of the man who would find comfort in fiction and games, and how the frustration of societal expectations and those radicalized comments of misandry could lead to cases of men demanding a safe space. He reached a different conclusion on Vellmoris's case because of all the similar drama that occurred in Korea over the past few years ig. But to be honest, I can't say I actually understand about those issues and English is not my first language, so I'm sorry I have something wrong.
@eryx0329
@eryx0329 Ай бұрын
I have to thank you for this video. The Vellmori situation really did affect me mentally very badly, during the time of the announcement of the korean text i saw it in a friend discord server, i couldnt believe it that a company i loved so much had done such a thing, my literal first reaction to that was "wait did Vellmori quit or something?"then i saw all the massive ammounts of comments and tweets discussing about how she was fired and shit, i didnt choose to believe that simply cause Project moon honestly had changed my entire life and made my carrier and dream of being an artist actually possible and the year i spent drawing bongbong was life changing to me. During the drama i remained skeptical about if everything going on was actually true or not, choosing to remain possitive of Project moon somehow managing to do the right thing. During that time it was so painful to remain hopeful, to still having trust that Project moon would not fuck it up, it was so painful seeing friends and artists i looked upon just quit drawing project moon, it was so despairing seeing friends go from chatting with them about the project moon universe happily and chill to constant very long arguing over me still enjoying the game and having to withstand me wanting to still enjoy the game, seeing it constantly critized, constantly mocked and laughed up as if project moon's games where never good dispite the same people having been pm fans before. And after the situation with Vellmori resolved and it was revealed she quitted? i had to fucking face that according to some people even those i respected they didnt believe she quitted but rather "project moon forced her to quit to save their public image"(which if that had been the case that would have been the first ever response by pm and not one that came literal months later and leaked by the User association and not project moon themselfs), twisting the narrative to its last extents so to excuse still hating on project moon. To this day this is the case of refusing to trust any official statements or anything at all, and im honestly clueless on how to feel if angry for their dismissive attitude or worried and try better at helping them see the missinformation. Now another thing i wanted to comment that i feel too is very fitting for this video is the Mili/Casey situation with Project moon, the lead guitarrist that plays for Mili made some vague tweets in the same day the controversy happened about how "people shouldnt jump to conclusions so soon", so basically a very vague series of tweets that hinted at defending project moon, well people rapidly either dismissed it as untrue or that somehow the guitarist was a bad person and a missfit in Mili's band. Then when Casey herself defended project moon she got massively harrassed and dubbed as a Misoginist and a bad pro-capitalist corporation defender that hates individual workers, Im not fucking kidding, dispite most of Casey's songs being quite against corporations or employee abuse. When that wasnt enough they just resorted to dig into her past to find a valid reason to dismiss her positive opinion on pm and hate her and that there was no way Project moon could have been a good company ever(dispite the fact that Mili made an entire song as a love letter for pm for how much they enjoyed working with them). And had to see people who had loved Mili's songs for years just go from one day to another call her and the band as horrible shitty people. As a final words on this comment, i have to thank you for this video as this topic was one that was haunting me and one i even was considering making a video myself about it too since i was so tired of seeing the missinformation about Vellmori and Project moon still go around. (also sorry for the wall of text comment.)
@nushia7192
@nushia7192 Ай бұрын
I'd really wish you knew what really was happening in that Bridget situation. The non-fans were harassing and sending death threats to the developers of the game and game character designer. It was so horrible.
@NinjaDoilyn
@NinjaDoilyn Ай бұрын
Yeah, transphobes do really fucked up shit.
@TakuHakurei
@TakuHakurei Ай бұрын
Seriously dude you're so underrated man. Im not even saw this vids as just another ramble. I've learned so much and after I finish the vids. I'm actually relieved of what I am as a human being. Thank you MrTsunul. Much love from your kind viewer
@meriewanderer
@meriewanderer Ай бұрын
Not the first day tbh Scaramouche is like one of my favourite characters (even have a plush irl of him), I always just find the voicelines funny, the scaracat situation is just ridiculous to say the least The fact that so many people can't separate fiction and reality is so dangerous, could and already did harm real people and in this case, an innocent cat
@AARRGGH
@AARRGGH Ай бұрын
i will never forgive incels for the vellmori situation because we're missing out on so many beautiful art that might never see the light of day 😔
@insultinsultan705
@insultinsultan705 Ай бұрын
Incels? Lol, you mean women
@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo
@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo Ай бұрын
"The worst bullies are the self-rightous ones." -Me I think
@malaficus
@malaficus Ай бұрын
The saying is: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
@purpleteaisme
@purpleteaisme Ай бұрын
The PM crisis felt like chapter VI.
@obblivionkr
@obblivionkr Ай бұрын
And a bit of Canto V too, people on all sides believing themselves to be the absolute justice with nothing being able to shake their convictions.
@bimoprasetyo6862
@bimoprasetyo6862 Ай бұрын
You're Content's are Great Tsunul, Sorry That some Fandom's are Starting to get On Your Nerves, Thanks for Sharing your Thoughts on the More Loud-side of Project Moon Fan's.
@gameboom7579
@gameboom7579 Ай бұрын
oh boy, and you dident even get to what shitstorm big companies are doing these days: escape from tarkov self destructed itself, its game, and its community in an attempt to get greedy Sony tried to one up this by killing helldivers 2 with a required PSN account linking, and thus the community united and kicked their shit in enough to revert it then XBOX said "check this out" and killed several smaller companies under its wing, including the studios that made GOOD games, like the company that made hi-fi rush, and evil within 1/2, the redfall company deserved it, but most of the others did not
@NoMoreBots
@NoMoreBots Ай бұрын
TF YOU MEAN THEY KILLED TANGO GAMEWORKS? How am I only hearing about this now?
@Tsunul
@Tsunul Ай бұрын
Ye I know about that but those situations are more "company being stupid" rather than the internet being terrible.
@gameboom7579
@gameboom7579 Ай бұрын
@@Tsunul yeah.., its just overall, the internet itself is falling apart, It has always, ALWAYS, been stated that humanities downfall will be its own stupidity, and we are yet to be proven wrong
@gameboom7579
@gameboom7579 Ай бұрын
@@NoMoreBots look it up, so many are so mad at XBOX as it begins to self destruct, getting rid of several companies under its wing due to "budget cuts"
@BlazingFire_87
@BlazingFire_87 Ай бұрын
The thumbnail is what summoned me. I was like; "Is that Ishmael from Limbus Company?"
@luckyalvin3947
@luckyalvin3947 2 күн бұрын
Fishmael
@Sagojika
@Sagojika Ай бұрын
War... War never changes. In the past we fought eachother because we didnt liked ideologies of eachother or because we wanted more resources. Today we are fighting eachother because we dont like favorite characters of eachother or because we think a character is a trans or a femboy.
@bluerationality
@bluerationality Ай бұрын
Its unfortunate, I think Korean internet was more receptive towards feminism in 2010- period. Then both sides were gradually taken over by more radical discourse and politics that feeds each other. Moderates and reasonable people are the ones caught in between.
@user-ky2hg7fg4j
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Ай бұрын
As a Korean woman, I can tell you, it didn't get as bad until radical feminism got as bad. Then anti-feminism got bad as a response. Both sides are responsible sadly. It's hard to admit it used to be better until extremists of course made it worse on both sides.
@Nebukanezzer
@Nebukanezzer Ай бұрын
Feminism IS the reasonable position. It just has a few loud, unreasonable advocates. But that doesn't mean the position itself is less reasonable. It's like saying being a fan of a sports team is unreasonable when the news focuses on a few wackos who set garbage cans on fire after a loss. That isn't even close to the majority. In contrast, you can't be an anti-feminist and not be cringe.
@Nebukanezzer
@Nebukanezzer Ай бұрын
Like, do you believe women are humans who deserve respect and equal rights compared to men? Yes? Then you're a feminist.
@user-ud3re2dt9o
@user-ud3re2dt9o Ай бұрын
Certainly, since 2018, there has been a male hatred tendency in Korean feminism. The fact that radical feminism is a common feminism in Korea. That is very unfortunate.
@cristiancojocaru9821
@cristiancojocaru9821 Ай бұрын
I'm not sure you can actually call any feminist position moderate, since the basis of it is a conspiracy theory stating that there's a secret society of men plotting to oppress women, we had that in europe in the mid 20th century but it was about the jews and the german volk. We could go on with terrorist bombings, the racism in US feminism (surrounding the suffrage of black people), the white feather initiative, all of which date to the inception of the movement, we don't even need to get to modern-day 3rd wave stuff which is somehow even more unhinged. And before you want to mention it, stuff like gender equality is a humanist position, humanism is quite a moderate and sensible position.
@ITAndroMedian
@ITAndroMedian Ай бұрын
There's a reason why I prefer writing overly verbose and thorough comments under videos instead of making my own videos. This reason is called Sloth, and mostly powers Yi Sang's Crow's Eye View EGO. Also lack of practice, I guess.
@ni__wolf143
@ni__wolf143 Ай бұрын
Something I see nobody talking about lately is that the new meta for KZfaqrs is ONLY shitting on stuff, like saying modern horror is bad, or saying Minecraft's boring, or saying games in general have become boring, it's all negative...
@Spyno41
@Spyno41 Ай бұрын
Mfs out there think that the past was "better" cause hindsight is 20/20, when there's a ton of good stuff that has come out today, than the shovelware sewage of back then. So I always ask myself and them that if they stopped enjoying something, then find something else. I stopped enjoying anime, but I can admit that there are more quality stuff today than there was back then
@ni__wolf143
@ni__wolf143 Ай бұрын
@@Spyno41 ..Did you mean to reply to my comment? Because I don't really see any connection to my comment here, I never said everything was better back then, I just said that the new KZfaq meta sucks ass.
@Spyno41
@Spyno41 Ай бұрын
@@ni__wolf143 oh I was reffering to the same KZfaqrs who shit on modern stuff and act like the past was any better. Its pretty tiring considering there are a lot of good now. Sorry if I wasnt clear
@ni__wolf143
@ni__wolf143 Ай бұрын
@@Spyno41 Oh okay that's fine then, sorry for not understanding.
@anxia-tea5846
@anxia-tea5846 Ай бұрын
the project moon segment literally sounds like it'd be a modern shakespeare tragedy genuinely
@Unoki_As
@Unoki_As Ай бұрын
Great video, People that treat fictional content as reality are the most insane people and are terminally online. Like you can say you like x character drawing and someone will say that you are the most horrible personne for doing so, it's insane.
@yukinohazuki9918
@yukinohazuki9918 Ай бұрын
Basically if Ignore Limbus Reddit, it's mostly quiet in the PM fandom.
@stefanoturriciano3716
@stefanoturriciano3716 Ай бұрын
nah, limbus reddit isn't that bad (there aren't that many rotten apples), even when the misinformation started, it mostly came from korean players feeding us badly translated shit trying to convince us that they were on the right side and that PM didn't deserve any kind of support. 99% of the problems come from Twitter, if that shit hole suddenly disappear, so many internet dwellers will lose their will to live and will finally search for a new hobby that is not wishing cancer to an artist that drew a black character with a slightly lighter shade of black (talking about that pokemon sword and shield gym leader, an incident from pre-covid era)
@user-zl9sh9mz6h
@user-zl9sh9mz6h Ай бұрын
We Americans SAY that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but we don't MEAN it.
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Ай бұрын
Nothing new here. Remember when we fought against the Brits for oppressing our freedoms and didn't give those freedoms to women and black people among other groups of people until literally centuries later and a couple of wars?
@standardusername3238
@standardusername3238 7 күн бұрын
Gotta say, i never thought that such a down to earth and reality checking video, would come from a funny limbus man. A month late, but this was really well put. Hope you're having a good one.
@CodeHerbaon2.0
@CodeHerbaon2.0 Ай бұрын
It’s kinda crazy how the least shocking piece of information from the video is Tsunul coming out as bisexual. (congrats though even if we’re not surprised) The entire pm situation was still unclear to me (and thankfully so) so I thought waiting a bit after all the misinformation died down and caught up but I still didn’t know about the definitely not aligned groups trying to slander pm was just so wild to hear about for the first time. Truly a maybe the real internet was the misinformation and drama we had along the way. Peak non-fiction here Tsunul
@Slanse
@Slanse Ай бұрын
I immensely appreciate you an Moony's take on this subject.
@kingcosmoose4387
@kingcosmoose4387 Ай бұрын
speaking as a Trans person who was transitioning during the middle of the whole Bridget situation, i fucking hated getting lumped in with transphobs just because i *personally* was disgusted by how they handled Bridget becoming Trans i couldn't relate to her because, how could I? a person who spent there life fighting to prove that they are who they say they are regardless of how they present themselves, suddenly does a 180 and says "nah i'm not that anymore teehee~ :3". that's just not realistic and the implication around it and her backstory, it's just gross. it felt forced, panderish, and completely unplanned from what she was doing pre-Strive i am glad more people are being vocal about it, but the fact we're just gonna be lumped in with actual shitheads without being heard first will forever bug me (and is an active reason why i stay away from Bridget fans) Fantastic video btw, crazy to see just how degenerative the internet as become and that Jocat situation legit got me fuming
@zugetzuzu
@zugetzuzu Ай бұрын
NGL, you just sound like a "femboy bridget defender" trying to pretend to be a trans person (and god there are many of those on twitter that you can easily find out isn't actually trans). While her story could've been handled better the reason it wasn't given more was because she wasn't allowed in the previous game of Xrd, where much of this story would've played out. She wasn't allowed into the game because of "pressure" (we don't know from where but in the interview they mention it in a nebulous way). Besides, her earlier lore stated that she didn't feel uncomfortable in how she acted/dressed but mostly so felt awful because her parents felt awful forcing her to do this.
@lloyd8499
@lloyd8499 Ай бұрын
Ignoring the other replier here, while I don't want to get too involved in the Bridget drama as I haven't played Strive, but enjoy pre-Strive-era Guilty Gear games, I'm glad you're adding your two cents to this matter. It really sucks how the Bridget drama has gotten so out of hand that just by politely disagreeing with the choice due to lore inconsistencies, implications for what it "represents", etc. will get you labeled as a scummy person is ridiculous and insane. I personally don't agree with the "representation" of trans people if we're using Bridget as an example given the implications due to their lore/backstory, and while I'm willing to just leave it at that, the fact that the discourse is just devolving into nonstop mud-slinging is depressing, and I want to thank you once again for giving your thoughts on the matter, showing that there's more nuance to the discussion that can be made if looked at it calmly and objectively
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Ай бұрын
​@@zugetzuzu And you're a prime example of what OP was talking about. You can't fathom the idea that a person of an identity doesn't like a character of the same identity, and instead asking why they, as that identity, don't like the character (or in this case, engaging with the reasons they already gave), you decide to be an actual bigot and say "you can't possibly be that identity in the first place, you must be lying". Congrats. You're part of the problem.
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Ай бұрын
​@@zugetzuzu And no. That's not what his original lore stated. If anything, he didn't care one way or the other how he was seen, made apparent by him calling himself a "Bounty Hunter", not a man, when I-No calls him a lady, and only correcting Johnny after Johnny himself realizes he was hitting on a dude. There's nothing implying he was uncomfortable being a man. And not being allowed in Xrd isn't an excuse, as there's no reason they couldn't have addressed whatever development led to him wanting to become a girl when he returned in Strive. You don't just make a 180 change like this and NOT show the development, and not being "allowed" to use the character in a previous game isn't an excuse. I'm also heavily doubting that he wanted to go this route with Bridget in the first place seeing as there's an interview where he explicitly says he designed Bridget as a boy so he'd have a standout trait. Instead of just being a generic cute girl. He was always meant to be male.
@lloyd8499
@lloyd8499 Ай бұрын
​​@@espurrseyes42​​ And to add to the lore that's missing from the time in between XRD and Strive, I'd recommend a video by Dimitri Monroe that talks about Bridget's lore/backstory and everything that leads up to the retcons done in Strive. One thing he brings up is that Bridget's last appearance before Strive was in a pachinko game called Guilty Gear Vastedge XT, where Bridget was still refered to as a male, and even how their updated design in said game could show their off-screen story progression, which of course was reversed in Strive. The video is "Guilty Gear XY: The Bridget Retcon Investigated" if you haven't seen it. EDIT: Correction, Vastedge XT isn't a story in between XRD & Strive, it's essentially a prologue to XRD's story
@WashiWashiJuan
@WashiWashiJuan Ай бұрын
That's why i love the Blue Archive fandom, gatekeeping the tourists out no matter what happens
@EddiePGRPlayer420
@EddiePGRPlayer420 Ай бұрын
Sure thing, champ. Sure thing. Keep being a bunch of pushovers instead of having your MC have an actual pair down there
@WashiWashiJuan
@WashiWashiJuan Ай бұрын
Sorry english not my first language but i don't get what that means....
@EddiePGRPlayer420
@EddiePGRPlayer420 Ай бұрын
@@WashiWashiJuan Person that doesn't have English as "first language" crying about (imaginary) tourists... The irony flies over the heads of the BA fandom
@WashiWashiJuan
@WashiWashiJuan Ай бұрын
Oh, now i get it, you're just another tourist trying to pull the "Are these tourists with us in the room right now?" Either way keep seething and we BA bros keep winning keeping all of you out
@EddiePGRPlayer420
@EddiePGRPlayer420 Ай бұрын
@@WashiWashiJuan Bro telling others to rage and be mad about their imaginary narrative instead of actually coming with a convincing retort 💀 Yeah bro, keep "winning" with such a mid ass anime **(seriously? Almost 10 eps and can't get the first arc finished already ? Magia Record anime all over again) and being relegated to passing mentions as actual mobile games get the spotlight these days, hopefully one of those sht-filled balloons from NK didn't land near the Dev's houses or anything.
@SiriusFrostalite
@SiriusFrostalite Ай бұрын
Genuinely upsetting and unfortunate that the thing we use every day is also what creates the most problems in this day and age. Even if am not fully an adult I accepted that the best way to set yourself is to remain in middle ground and not to decide who to be with. Yet now it is also can bring you in fair share of troubles.. Often I keep my ideas and concepts to myself knowing full well that if I'd share something there gonna be someone who gonna dislike it and want to stop it existing with all cost imaginable. I do hope that sooner or later we shall move from that distopia and make internet at least a safe spot to share fictional content without people going out of their way to harm anyone physically, mentally, spirtiually or socially.
@Kive101
@Kive101 Ай бұрын
Man i miss Vellmoris art in Limbus. Some of her cutscene artworks were the funniest and most memorable ones in the entire game so far.
@telkota1247
@telkota1247 Ай бұрын
"Live and let live" has been what I've been living after for years. Doesn't work as good when so many seem to be the complete opposite though. It just kinda baffles me when people are so concerned about what other people do.
@malaficus
@malaficus Ай бұрын
We are tribal by nature. The problem is that we let the woke tribe gain power. That is one of several tribes you dont let live. Other tribe caused ww2.
@rhael42
@rhael42 15 күн бұрын
@@malaficus Why is it that whenever someone tries to make a claim about human "nature," it's always just projection?
@KingKrouch
@KingKrouch 6 күн бұрын
Leave other people alone unless they explicitly go out of their way to infringe on the space of others.
@stefanoturriciano3716
@stefanoturriciano3716 Ай бұрын
Really nice video, it reminded me so many bad things that I'm not sure I wanted to remember, but one cannot just forget people getting threatened with death just because an internet dweller woke up from the bad side of the bed. Really enjoyed the Vellmori part since it finally answered a couple of doubts I still had. Also, as always, your choices for the background music is always top tier, even thought I had this unpleasant feeling fro the topics not only I still managed to watch it until the end (usually I'm not capable of watching this kind of videos because the build up of hate for the dark side of twitter is really hard to contain), but I also paused my mirror dungeon run to focus on what you said. Nice job
@Nyxy-Noo
@Nyxy-Noo Ай бұрын
Tsunul video essay goes hard. I certainly won't complain if you want to do more videos in this format. :3
@tonreporch
@tonreporch Ай бұрын
I'm actually really thankful that this video was produced. When the controversy regarding Project Moon came out, I could never find a clear answer as to what the situation was due to multiple different people saying different things. Mistranslation is one of the biggest offenders to either insinuate or perpetuate controversy between nations. Seeing as how that was a key factor in not just the local controversy, but in the international controversy, is so infuriating. Especially when it's used as a tool to bring together a hate mob. Tsunul said it best at the end of the video. "You have no enemies". Some people on the internet should stop making something out of nothing because they want attention or want something to hate.
@moonum4567
@moonum4567 Ай бұрын
You glossed over the Bridget thing so badly and ended with the opposition being transphobic. Let me correct you. Bridget was among the first Otokonoko characters, characters who were very feminine and yet male. There was already discourse from transfolk that Bridget and any Otokonoko character was trans, which pissed off fans of Otokonoko because Bridget was *THE* otokonoko character, and they were already trying to claim tomboy and tomgirl characters (those particular traits and quirks in the west are now extinct) so there was existing tension. Bridget was also developed in a way where his primary goal in the story was to assert his masculinity, he wanted to prove that he was a man. This was his character since his inception and the way he was developed on...until Strive. That he became a woman was not only a severe retcon to his original goal, and not only a huge step in the erasure of the tomboy/tomgirl/femboy identity...but there exists the implication that he was basically groomed into becoming trans which is a VERY real concern that people have with trans and children. Let alone a Japanese developer kneeling to Western Headcanon (formerly), which is also problematic in and of itself, Bridget's appeal was in his otokonokoness and making him trans was going to kill that. And if I need to highlight it, a feminine looking boy and a trans person are not the same so saying "they're the same thing" is reductive. I doubt he's going to be a requested character in the future because of this.
@zugetzuzu
@zugetzuzu Ай бұрын
Cope, seeth and mald transphobe, if you at all cared for Bridget and respected her, or trans people in general for that matter, you would use the correct pronouns, which you do not, while still being able to criticize her direction in this game (Didn't read what you said, as if you're intentionally misgendering then there very likely won't be any substance to your statement).
@creepygamercom
@creepygamercom Ай бұрын
@@zugetzuzu He's not transphobic you clown. Do you trans people honestly think that dressing like a girl defaults you to being trans? The Otokonoko culture is it's own thing, crossdressing is it's own thing, There's newhalf and Okama. All these words you don't even know the meaning of. No, your brain instantly jumps to using buzzwords. Everything he said was constructive and TRUE. There wasn't a single hateful thing in his post. You are choosing to be willingly ignorant just to push your political beliefs and it's disgusting. Educate yourself before you harrass people online for being SMARTER than you. Aboslutely ridiculous.
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Ай бұрын
​@@zugetzuzu If you cared about trans people at all, you be demanding better representation for them, not the character assassination and erasure of THE Femboy character for the sake of pandering. There's no reason Daisuke couldn't have made an original character like he did with Nago if he wanted a trans rep so badly, and no one should be praising him for not doing so, choosing instead to turn Bridget into a grooming victim.
@theliedetector2199
@theliedetector2199 Ай бұрын
Honestly him essentially being the victim of grooming and that being seen as positive is what was most disturbing. No one who supported it had a problem with him essentially being a victim since it supported thier views which is more concerning than anything. The fact that this video ignored that to only proves that furthermore.
@NinjaDoilyn
@NinjaDoilyn Ай бұрын
Wow you will really go to the ends of the earth before letting trans people exist. The opposition is transphobic, so are you, and you will find out if you keep fucking around like this. Bridget is a woman and always will be, just like me. Your tears only make my estrogen stronger.
@Bland_Spaghetti
@Bland_Spaghetti Ай бұрын
I didn’t expect this to come from your channel of all places. It’s actually weird how this is probably the first time I saw a video on this topic since this kind of stuff happens everywhere. It also actually sucks how these people could probably be doing so much more with the time they spend analyzing every tweet someone ever made to do mental gymnastics on why they’re a pos. I know it’s generic to say that for this kind of topic but still.
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