You know something's up when the Fire Emblem community is happier as a whole with a new game than the Pokémon community is.

You can actually pinpoint the moment the Pokemon community collapses at E3

Year 2030 Pokémon Ultimate *Everyone Is Here*

I'd be fine with losing the national dex, if Game Freak actually followed through on their claim that animations would be better.

"Every Pokemon should have time to shine" Champion has Charizard as Ace

The high quality excuse is exactly why I'm irked at that decision.

Pokemon 1993-2018: “Gotta catch em all!” Pokemon 2019: “catch a few of them lmao”

"We can't add old Pokémon, all our efforts have gone into making the models for a 80 FEET TALL CAKE"

The hype train was full speed. Then it derailed and became a exploding wreck in a matter of seconds.

What upsets me the most is that the most probable reason for all of this happening is that Game Freak refuses to grow and adapt and instead puts all the workload on ~100 people, I wouldn't be surprised if they're overworked to exhaustion just so they don't risk any leaks and keep development costs low.

The problem isn't "not every pokemon is in the games", the problem is, they claimed to upgrage graphics and animations at the cost of national dex. They didn't upgrage it enough/at all,considering the loss.

*I've got a bad feeling about this...*

Guys calm down, all Pokémon will appear at Pokemon Super Duper Sword and Super Duper Shield

All Pokémon are equal but some Pokémon are more equal than others.

Honestly, I'm more miffed by the shoddy graphics, animations, and gameplay difficulty. National Dex is just the cherry on top

People: give us all the Pokémon on the most powerful console Pokémon game ever, even if other features suffer like usual Highest grossing video game franchise of all time: ...nah we can’t handle that

JWittz: "clearly there's a disconnect between the masses and myself,but what is it?" *Ad plays* Me:: apparently it's google stadia.

I’ve recently been replaying Pokemon Black and man, I can just feel the creativity and care put into that game.

I can forgive limited roster, if they were telling the truth about “High quality” when they are reusing the same models as XY bland stiff and not exalcty high quality

I'm part of the people who are just kinda disappointed. I love having all of my old pokemon with me and that's mainly why it makes me sad. Another reason is because there are a lot of fan favourites being kicked out. I'm not being Toxic I'm just again, disappointed.

This really is the straw that broke the Caemrupt's back about Pokemon. It's very interesting to see

"we can't put them all in because it's difficult to remake all those as 3d models" Pokemon X&Y "we're happy to bring all pokemon to 3d to help bring them into the future titles"

To be fair, the "it's for balance" defense is laughable to put it nicely. Balance wasn't a thing in the mainline series since... Well, from the very beginning, actually.

I’m calling it now, there’s going to be an unbalanced meta game due to a handful of Pokémon that would have been otherwise kept in check by Pokémon excluded from the Galar Dex. Game Freak talked about better visuals and better animation and both are recycled. They also tend not to update their content until a new game drops so I’m doubtful of balance patches. Plus they change rules for VGC regularly and have already been able to create ban lists, there’s no reason they couldn’t have used a ban list approach per season to keep battles fresh. Speaking of patches, I wouldn’t have minded this so much if they hadn’t shot down updating the game through patches to let more Pokémon in. You’re right in that they can’t push it back but we’re at a time and on a system where you can update games after they’re out but they already said they wouldn’t do that. Pokémon is one of my favorite things in the world and this coming from Game Freak really sucked out all the hype I had for these games. I was really excited for the idea of console Sinnoh remakes, but I don’t know if I’d even want them with this policy in place.

It feels like Pokemon is taking a step back while Zelda, Mario, and Animal Crossing are talking leaps forward.

I think the timebomb analogy towards the end absolutely nailed it. This is an issue isn't just one thing, this is something that's slowly built up over time. This was a really level-headed look at the controversy. Great work!

imagine a mainline pokemon game with only 38% of the pokemon in it

Personally, I'm really pissed off about this whole situation. Not only are there only a select few Pokemon that are going to return instead of all of them like before, they're also giving some very flimsy excuses in an attempt to justify this action.

Pkemon fans: *Are angry and divided over the new games* Fire Emblem fans: "First time?"

Congratulations! Your Gen 7 has evolved to Gen 8. But Gen 8 wants to learn “how to make every Pokémon fan angry”. What current moves shall be forgotten? Open World. Pikachu Techno Music. *National Pokédex* Are you sure you want to forget “National Pokédex”? *YES* NO Congratulations! Your Gen 8 has learned “how to make every Pokémon fan angry”!

I don't think people would be pissed about the Dex if their justification of better graphics and animation wasn't also a farce. Pretty sure the quality of animation is terrible for switch standards. Charizard's G-max move doesn't even come from its mouth....

I really wouldn't have cared for doing away with the national pokedex if the game looked amazing and the animations were as good as pokemon stadium, colosseum and battle revolution.

One critical thing missing from the above video is that Gen 7 already has HD models for all 809 Pokemon programmed into it. The graphics engine itself just downscales them after loading them so they fit onto the 3DS's 240p screen. For example, no new HD models had to be made for Let's Go (except the Meltan line and the Partner Pokemon); they were all copy-pasted over from USUM. This means that there was no need at all to cut Pokemon from the programming of SwSh.

You really hit all the targets there with the criticism, but I think there's one smaller point that you missed. Namely, you did talk about the anger slowly starting to form over the past few years, but I'd even go back to ORAS. Namely, when they cut the Battle Frontier, one of the most beloved parts of Gen 3 and 4, with the explanation (correct me if I'm wrong) being 'Well, we were gonna do it but it's not like anyone really cared about it anyways, you were just gonna be on yoru phone'. I.e: "We didn't think you'd want it that much, we're not sorry". Really, I'd almost say this goes back to the start of Generation 6 where all this problems started, with the criticism of three things, namely X and Y's much lower difficulty (which isn't that much of an issue), X and Y's treatment of event legendaries now being gimmies, instead of the events they had before like Heatran in Gen 4/5, or Shaymin in 4. People didn't like just being given a legendary, they like going and exploring (once they do the proper steps by unlocking said events) and finding that legendary, doing the event and getting the legendary that way, earning it. Finally, the biggest problem was the critical lack of after game. Once you finish the game, there's not much to do. The main point from all of this? None of those problems were fixed in future games. ORAS was a joke in terms of difficulty, not being scaled right at all with the EXP Share, and even without it. They fixed the legendary problem somewhat with the Delta Episode, but other than that, you really shouldn't expect much other than 'Go fly around, good luck'. Finally, one of ORAS's best after game features was cut, leaving the Battle Chateau that nobody had been a fan of. With the move to Sun and Moon, this difficulty issue was addressed again as while there were some more fun fights, such as the Totems, the game was still pretty easy. It wasn't as bad as before, but it was still pretty easy. Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken, they didn't give any thought to event legendaries at all, essentially being given away. Finally, we had the same lack of after game. Once again, this was touched on with the Ultra Beast searching, but still it wasn't much at all. I personally haven't played USUM, so I can't say if things changed, but I'll assume that not much changed in a year after the remake in terms of these issues (outside of the Ultra Necrozma fight giving more difficulty and fun). With all that in mind, people were already getting annoyed by this same formula with the after game, the same quality essentially for the battles and such, the same difficulty and this exploded not because of the pokemon missing (though it was a great part of it), but because the excuse of 'We're trying to make a more quality game' when we can see from the footage that it looks like not much has changed, and that was the straw that broke the camels back. People don't want to give Gamefreak another chance as they've already shown their laziness for the past handful of years, they want something to change. I'd say that the after comment of buckling down was a really really bad idea on Gamefreak's part as all it did was fan the fire. Try telling an angry mob that it sucks they're mad, but nothing's gonna change, it's not going to work. Personally, I'm voting with my wallet, I'm skipping this gen period, I'm not going to lay back and tell Gamefreak I'm okay with worse quality games. We've had Breath of the Wild come from the Switch, a masterpiece of the game and Gamefreak can't be bothered to put any effort in. EDIT: One thing you *did* miss however was that there was an official comment from Gamefreak saying 'We're not putting the main focus on this pokemon game, it's a side project while we work on Town', which was another thing that got the fans mad, that Gamefreak has so much potential for bringing the main series to console and they're wasting it all for no real reason

Whats funny is when they first announced this game was in development. They promised ALL POKEMON and then they did the e3 announcement and exposed their lie and hype

But I want a full hedgehog Pokémon Team... qwq

My biggest problem is that Masuda's explanations make no sense and I don't think they're being honest. Animations and models are obviously reused from previous generations. And having every Pokémon in the game has never had a negative impact on battling

JWittz is determined to say "Fitty dolla bill" in EVERY VIDEO recently & it keeps making me laugh

If the 3DS can handle all 800+ Pokemon (while introducing new mechanics), the switch really has no excuse to nuke half of it away, especially when the "high quality" they're claiming isn't that high.

Gamefreak: Doesnt add a lot of pokemon because of remodeling of the pokemon. Also Gamefeak: Have been using the same model library since X&Y

Guys! I have a theory! The Galar region is based of Britain, so in Galar they had their own Brexit and doubled down on immigration laws from the other regions

remember how they said that lets go was for casual/go fans and that sword and shield would be for hardcore veterans lol

Fans mad about the game feeling rush and unpolished. Gamefreak: Let me just develop another random game at the same time... Them developing Town without using all their already small force in pokémon is what really bothers me tbh.

I'm just curious to see how many of all the Pokemon are being cut, which ones are being cut, and why.

>"It's cus making all these HD models for pokemon is taking too much time." I'd believe that if Gamefreak didn't already make HD models for all the pokemon (gen 1 - 6 at the time) in order to save time on development for future titles. Coupled with the fact Gamefreak wants to shift away from making Pokemon games and do other things (like that totally not a forgettable game 'Town' that they are currently working on) and having the b-team do it instead. Gamefreak is just lying about how making these games is difficult when they've had the core battle system down since Ruby/Saphire.

Sun & Moon had 1. All the models they use in S&S 2. All walking animations up to Alola 3. Same battle animations as X & Y along with S&S

The thing that really bugs me is that people claim "they can't model all 800 previous Pokémon!!" when they don't need to. When they made the models for X and Y, they made sure they were high quality models that were able to be used in the future. That's why they worked in Pokémon Go (and Let's Go, a game that is on the Switch ffs). Even if, for some reason, they have to reanimate the models, each Pokémon has like 6 seconds of unique animation (idle, contact move, non-contact move, hit, faint, idle flair, each only taking about a second), meaning if they had to reanimate everything it'd be like 9 minutes of animation. No, the reason why they can't make all the Pokémon work is because of the Dynamax mechanic, requiring even higher quality models. It's so dumb.

i love how this video didn't age up well #gamefreaklied

"We're giving pokemon more personality" the pokemon company says, using the same models and animations since gen 6, and not adding more personality to said animations

Imo, the big issue here is their reasoning. Pokemon is one of the biggest, most profitable gaming IP's on the market. And after 23 years, we get the first full console mainline release. We moved from 3DS cartridges, which max out at 8GB to Switch cartridges which max out at 32GB, so hardware limitations are out of the picture. And there's the underlying issue: Technically, all 3D models already exist. Seeing how shoddy and low-poly some of the world assets in Sword/Shield are, it's just nincompoop to say that they couldn't have imported all models from Ultra Sun/Moon. Especially since the engine used in Sword/Shield uses slight cel shading, which can mask low poly models pretty effectively. And animations? Please, let's not pretend were anywhere near Pokemon Stadium here, a game released 19 years ago. The animations shown so far have been basic, to say the least. I, personally, simply don't buy the reasoning here. A studio working on an IP of that magnitude which has been printing money for over 20 years now are saying it would have been too much work to import and maybe upscale existing models and rigs? Too much work to give them animations as stiff as those already shown? Sorry, but that just sounds ridiculous. I'd get it if they went straight from sprite art to 3D models, but the models present in Ultra Sun/Moon are perfectly suitable, match the style and are sufficiently animated. So yeah, i totally get why people are upset about the news. Because the game looks and sounds to be incredibly rushed. And for a mainline Pokemon game, especially it's first main entry on a decently powerful home console, that's just a very poor show.

Now that you remind me of it, I miss the three year gap I noticed between most pokemon games before gen 6

Wow, JWittz calling me & Casy the Breloom out. Straight savage.

Pokemon is no longer a priority for them. Pokemon Home is the replacement for pokemon bank that they barely did anything with. They claim the work and quality involved would be too much, and then proceed to show us animations and quality that's virtually the same as on the handhelds. The anger is very much justified when they lay all these dominoes right out in front of us

Now it’s come out that Gamefreak doesn’t even have this game as their main focus right now... talk about out-of-line priorities

Personally, I'm getting kinda tired of the X/Y models. I would be totally fine if they just delayed it a little bit to work more on that stuff. oops I forgot 99% of the comments are about this... '~'

Pokemon could learn a thing or two from smash ultimate... if you know what I mean

Here's my question, what's the point of Pokemon Home? Do they expect fans to be okay with just letting their old pokemon just sit on their smartphones?

My problem is that Game Freak is running on an archaic design philosophy of churning out a game every year. It's not as easy as it was years ago. The jump to 3D makes designing stuff harder by far. A delayed game can be a good game, but a bad game is bad forever.

4:03 it's been a few months now and I'm still mad you outed me like this. It was from Sapphire by the way

I am surprised that you didn't mention how Pokemon is not GameFreak's top priority and most of their employees are working on new projects.

The annualization of the Pokemon series has been slowly killing it for years. The design philosophy behind these games is fundamentally flawed, and without any significant change being made, these problems were inevitable.

The limiting of the pokemon for SwSh was the spark that started they fire but every excuse from GF & TPC just throws more fuel on that fire. I mean, it's pokemon Gen 8 debut on the switch, its the game pokemon have been waiting on since the announcement of the Switch and it seems like GF & TPC are too busy making other games and Mobile games. If anything really, it seems like Pokemon has become a victim of it's own success.

I’d seriously take a video just covering a load more of those memes at the end. The smuggling ones are genius, and that Pokemon snap one made me actually laugh quite a bit.

No national dex is bad, sure, but the pokemon not even coded in the game? WHAT THE F IS THIS?

Sakurai: EVERYONE IS HERE! Masuda: ...Well that's a bit extra, doncha think?

Switch: *is literally 10 times stronger then the 3ds* Gamefreak: Keeping all Pokemon would be too much...

I wouldn’t care about this so much if they had ACTUALLY done something with graphics to make them better or even just the animations

What if they come out with a “Pokémon Shiny Sword” and “Shiny Shield” thay has a national dex 😂

4:08 I feel personally attacked as breloom is my favorite Pokémon and I have had one since emerald XD

you forgot to mention that gamefreak has gone on record saying that their #2 team is working on this while their priority is town and an unreleased game called gearbox.... that got some fans angry Edit: i meant Gear Project

What I love most about this video is it was a really calm approach to the situation

- When the thing you are most worried for is - Hello Kitty : Manga magazine - Wait... Hello Kitty has a manga?!

After 11 years of being in the pokemon community this has been the angriest and mean I've seen the community

Weird this Yu Gi Oh channel is uploading pokemon content

The main thing I’m upset about is that they said it’s to improve graphics and all, but the games don’t look that much better than the 3ds graphics.

I felt the burn as soon as the games hit 3d. Pixel art/ sprites will always have so much more personality and style imo. Like each game up to x/y had a different unique style in its looks that made them memorable and stand out, whereas xy,oras,sm,usum all look and play exactly the same with some minor tweaks.

It's not just the lack of Pokemon. It's the fact that gamefreak clearly doesn't like making Pokemon games anymore and it shows. 1) The lack of any major graphical improvements 2) The switching from mega evolutions to just making the Pokemon big 3) the lack of any unique animations to the point where most attacks are just the Pokemon in their idle state bouncing around a bit 4) the challenge almost completely being removed from the game in the hopes that it'll attract more people to the game 5) post game content getting lazier and lazier with each new game 6) ignoring the audience who built you up in the first place and calling them a bunch of whiners when they have very legitimate complaints Just imagine if Mario Odyssey came out and it only had 3 worlds, no new enemies and the same sound effects from Mario 64. Would it be too much to get angry over that?

This is no Mario Oddesy and this certainly isn’t no Breath of the Wild. This is an upscaled 3ds game plain and simple.

Wanna point out: Ash always left his old squads behind, but he ALWAYS had his Pikachu. Whether you have a favorite and if they're likely to be in danger of being cut is probably a big factor on where you sit on this topic. Also: You always get TWO versions of the game. Why couldn't they just split the national dex between them?

I guess it's time to say goodbye to my shiny Rayquaza... Onyx, I'll miss you so much :(

I'm mad about the dex itself, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the excuses and buildup. It's clear from their statements they don't really care about us. Gotta love those memes though

So what you're telling me that Pokemon is the new Call of Duty No matter how mediocre their product is It will still sell millions regardless

Acually I agree with you almost completely. The whole fact that pokedex being cut wasn't a deal breaker for me, but really some of the animations and graphics look pretty bad not gonna lie.

Focusing on animation and graphics, meanwhile wingull is just hovering like a drone

Smell that guys? That's the smell of popcorn and controversy

I'm not mad that not every pokemon will be in the game, I am mad because it is a representation that GameFreak aren't trying at this point.

It was an avoidable conclusion. Maybe don't make a hundred redundant pokemon each generation and there wouldn't be too many now.

Just a video game? I've been playing the series since I was 5 back in 1998 and it's still my #1 favorite series. There's a much deeper attachment than it just being a video game.

Im upset but mostly because of other issues as well like subpar graphics and reused models and animations. I feel like game freak’s excuses arent that good.

I was starting to feel the burn when the games started having no post mane game contend; in Sun and Moon they just give you legendaries while they where events in the 2D games, and now Let's Go just has master trainers.(I'm not going to start with the battle frontier) They are including less contend over the years, and because of this this starts to feel far more like a CoD game where they first started to make season passes and then promised feture later down the line because they can't finnish the game fully in time.

Wait until he finds out about the new DLC Passes

4:15 that Breloom...Someone basically deleted the same thing for me. Was a Porygon from FR/LG. Was older than the person who wanted to play my Y copy was.

im that one guy, ive had my sceptile from emerald since 2005, now resting in omega ruby

Honestly, I think the way they handled it was the worst. It's an excellent case study in terrible PR. First, they had everyone pretty hyped about the games after showing trailers and gameplay footage. Until the last three minutes of the Treehouse session, everything was going swimmingly. Fans had observed that the graphics weren't exactly top notch, but the hype of Switchmons finally happening overshadowed that. Then Masuda dropped this bombshell as a parting remark. One of the last official words about the games at E3 was a piece of seriously bad news. Then "Goodbye, we will return with more news at an unspecified time, and not a second before". Meaning this bit of bad news was the last lingering bit of information in fans' heads. Epic blunder right there. Like farting just as you rise from your chair at the end of a job interview. And yet that's only the beginning. There was no apology. No explaining why this was a hard choice. Just a matter-of-fact statement, snuck into the middle of a longer paragraph like it's no big deal. "The professor is named Magnolia. The second Gym Leader Nessa likes spaghetti. From now on, the core series Pokémon games won't contain all Pokémon anymore. The Champion wears a cape because he's the champion." No respect for the severity of the news, as if it wouldn't matter. The lack of context made it even worse. "We chose to take away some Pokémon because it was too much work for us." They're explaining why it is convenient for them, but not why it makes the game better for the players. The effective message is "We gave up and the game is worse now, hope you still like it enough to pay full price for it." That's taking consumer loyalty for granted as an unlimited resource, which is a huge no. Failing Marketing 101 as well as Hindsight 101 right on the spot. Then the flimsy excuses. I can fully and completely guarantee that every single Pokémon fan with the means to follow that session, with the means to hear Masuda's message, also has access to various fan sites/channels/communities who'd rip the excuses to shreds. If the viewers aren't savvy enough to find those fan outlets, they wouldn't be savvy enough to view the Direct in the first place. Absolutely none of the viewers would take the excuses of "balance" and "too much work" at face value in the long run. And then they completely let go of the narrative, leaving fans to seek out other fans to understand the implications of the statement. As stated above, TPC had no intention to fill the roaring silence after Masuda's shocking piece of news, but outlets like Pokémon KZfaqrs or forum threads would happily spell out the worst-case scenario for you. The Pokémon Company doesn't even *have* a social media presence to communicate with fans. Thus, there's no way for them to put out the fire. The only thing fans could do was to watch the trailers and gameplay over again in light of the bad news, and conclude that Game Freak made a sacrifice of several hundred Pokémon (the number is an assumption, but that's all we have to go by since Game Freak didn't provide a number themselves) without giving much in return for it. Better graphics? Upon closer examination, they are poo. Better game balance? Upon closer examination, the "Kalos Pentagon" system introduced two generations ago could be used to the exact same result, without reducing the amount of content in the game. It can't be either of the given excuses, TPC is silent so they can't even explain it if they turn out to be valid after all, and so we're left to draw our own conclusions. Surprise surprise, fans conclude that Game Freak is lazy. I'm going out on a limb and assuming Game Freak isn't being lazy, that there is a hype-worthy feature that fans will love but which wasn't feasible to implement for every Pokémon. But that feature is meant to be the centrepiece of the next big announcement. On TPC's announcement calendar, it probably says "Late February, announce games. Early June, showcase Wild Area and Dynamax. Late August, showcase other big feature". But August is way, way too late to give context for a piece of bad news dropped in June. Dexit completely sidetracked the fandom, crashed the hype train and generated a screaming mob. Whatever they show next needs to be a seriously great piece of news to get the fans back. It's just that nobody has any faith it will be. Congrats Pokémon. Now go join Sonic the Hedgehog, Sim City, Rollercoaster Tycoon and Star Wars Battlefront in the "We were beloved, took it for granted, grew complacent, made awful decisions and learned nothing from it" corner.

Lets not forget how disappointed and upset people were when the Let's Go titles came out and people were told they'd have to wait a whole year before the next mainline game came out only for all this to happen as well.

Masuda's message to the fans about the removal of half of Pokemon is adding oil to the wildfire.

I think Dynamax is stupid. Megas were fun, Zmoves were less fun but unique and enjoyable, Dynamax looks like they’re just putting a Pokémon under a magnifying glass with nothing special but the size

I think a large part of the issue comes down to how this was handled. We were set up to believe that this was going to be another standard game where even if there was no proper national dex, we could at least transfer up like in S&M. Notably this creates a weird use case where you could have that partner you love so much, say the hypothetical Breloom from RS, that you have painstakingly transferred up to Ultra Sun. If Shroomish and Breloom aren't available in S&S and you drop your 17 year old partner into pokemon home either because you didn't realize and the service doesn't explicitly warn you, or you make a mistake, now your legacy pokemon is trapped in digital limbo. Moreover the initial announcement of Home primed us to think there would be a focus on trading up and making it easier to interact with the mechanics of transference. To have that be dismissed out of left field creates whiplash with the expectations that had been presented. Add to that the apparent lies about quality of models and animations, the rather bland and uninteresting UI in the gameplay demo, and we have a pokemon experience that seems pretty lacking. The argument of "it's just a game" for me falls flat, I'm not that personally torn up about it but I do understand how important this series and certain aspects of it have become for some people. It's a way for me and my partner, for example, to be able to spend a great deal of time together without really having to worry about where we are or if we can fit in another hour of our limited time. We worked together during ORAS to complete our national dex and it took us a few months but it served as an amazing experience. Similarly battling has a major role for some people. I'm not a huge competitive player but I'll jump into it now and again and generally try to find lesser used pokemon just for the fun of springing an Emboar on people, even if I usually get myself flounced. The fact that elements you care about remain even though ones you don't care for have been removed I think does contribute to the disconnect you face. However, what if we got a pokemon game where shinies just didn't exist. Or where there was barely any single player story and it focused almost exclusively on multiplayer battles or gimmick content. We as a community cherish and love different aspects of the game, and there can, maybe even should, be a sense of camaraderie when part of our community loses something dear to them.

I don't think Pikachu or Ditto will ever be cut. Pikachu is safe because it is the mascot, and Ditto is safe because of how essential it is in breeding.

"so what is it?" Me: *gets unskippable ad and rages over it*