Yeah, this video conveniently sidesteps why people build a tree farm in the first place. What do you want to do except see number go up?

This stuff radically affects the meta of multiplayer servers unless you're just going to ban entire farming strategies. It doesn't matter whether I want or know how to use villager trading for crazy gains, on an experienced server that's what most other people are going to do.

This is basically the point.

@@NicoisLOST not replying to this man for 4 months, waiting for someone to agree with you, and then giving them the "good boy badge" isnt a good look.

@@user-js1mf7gg8t Bro, he's making a video about Minecraft, not his political campaign. This is a clown take.

The point is that it’s pretty overpowered, if you get a good spawn next to a village you could have full diamond gear within a couple hours

​@@noahpalmer8178 well, yes, but who is timing? You could get amor just afking soMe hours at your iron farm and then buying it

@@jujoya Build iron farm then afk while at school or work~

Yeah villagers are borderline not fun, i know it sounds crazy but they have to have wandering traders emerald value

​@@foxkey3194whyd you add a ~?

What is create mod?

@@spyd7251 it's a mod named create which introduces new mechanics that looks more fun and usually more creative

The problem with create is that it still trivialises mining, iron and wood generation. A rotating line of saws and deployers are a very cheap and effective tree farm that you can build practically right in earlygame, iron can be farmed very easily with a block-replace-contraption cobblestone generator with like 2 hoppers and some millstones & mining is trivialized by block replacement contraptions too since you can just build a cart contraption maker and hook up as many chassis' as you can find and break huge chunks of blocks instantly. The problem with create is that it's extremely cheap to get the good farms going.

@@Shuroii yes but you still need copper and zinc which isn't that easy to automate without... copper and zinc

This is balanced out by the fact you need A LOT of iron and wood.

It's funny to complain about villager trading while not mentioning real issues like stacking raid farms

​@Younes Layachi no actually the real problem is: minecraft wasn't mean to be a massive multi-player. There's no such thing as "meta" since there is no competition. Minecraft is mostly a single-player game so if you don't like something you can just not do it, make rules for yourself. What is killing minecraft is all these bad youtubers (not this one) trying to sell you the idea you have to finish the game in one day so you must rely on broken mechanics

@@jujoya of course Minecraft is designed for single player. Here the question was effort/reward not competitive advantage (meta only means competitive advantage in the context of a multiplayer game). Since the common big goal of most players is to build cool things (Minecraft is a sandbox building game), the survival gamemode puts a lot of obstacles to reach this goal. Players who spend too much time and effort surviving or gathering resources slowly, tediously and manually, often get bored and give up before ever reaching their goal to build cool things. Of course, overcoming those obstacles is part of the fun, and involves building functional infrastructures as well as doing a lot of exploration. But many players go the slow and manual route to acquire resources, and that route is repetitive and uninteresting (think mining dozens of stacks of cobblestone with an iron pickaxe to be cooked twice and crafted into stone bricks. It will take a very long time to build anything). Compare the mindless pickaxe swinging and sword swinging, 2 very boring activities, to the intricate and rewarding activity of making functional infrastructure that gathers the same resources faster and better. Running for 30 minutes to go from A to B, compared with making an ice boat railway in the nether to go the same distance in a fraction of the time. This is what meta means in singleplayer. How to build more in less time & effort. Not how to speedrun the survival progression, because survival is only an obstacle and the farms are only tools to reach the real goal, building. Saying players should stick to a personal set of rules is silly. It's like having cheats enabled and saying "just don't cheat". If something is fun (building fast farms), then players will tend towards it. If something is not fun (mindless tool swinging for hours) then players will avoid it. If something is too easy (building portal spam farms), then players will be frustrated because building unbalanced OP farm is not fun, and not building it is giving up resources. Nobody is racing you in your single player world, you have a set of options to achieve your goal and you choose the option that is most fun to you. If your goal is 10% surviving and 90% building, then you don't care about getting resources slowly and painfully. You will care about getting resources quickly and conveniently. You will want to have an elytra as soon as possible so you spend less time walking. You will want to have a storage system so you spend less time looking for items. You will want to have the best armour so you are unlikely to die to and lose your stuff. Otherwise , if your goal is "how to progress 100% manually without meta relevant tools" then be your guest, but blame yourself when you realise the survival progression is slow and repetitive every time in every world. Established players have done the survival progression 100% manually many times, and grew bored of it. Every time they learned a little something to speed it up and make it more fun. Years later they learn so much they become ilmango, who finds fun in learning new mechanics to make better farms. I see red flags such as "finish the game" in your comment so I don't think I can reasonably entertain you. There's no "finish" in Minecraft. You play until you become unable to find the fun.

I was gonna type out a really long reply, but you've already mention almost all of the points i wanted to say. I would just add that i could very easily with about as much if not less effort, make a nether wood tree farm that makes BOTH wood types automatically at 2x's the rate mentioned for the bamboo farm.

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i think a perfect nerf that is implementable will be that once a villager spawns it will be locked and can only be that particle villager breeding a villager with a certain role will result in a kid with that job(nepotisim i know) so to nerf breeding farms trades will be restocked twice a minecraft day until you lock them while no effect will be there if the station is broken this can work similarly to how the beacon works my solution for iron farm is that golem will spawn only spawn by type of villager every minute so that you can not put 3 same type of villager instead nead to put 3 villager with diffrent jobs to increase efficency for the bamboo thing just make it is so that you need beat root and string to craft a bamboo block (beatroot is acidic in nature and string to hold it up together) this solution will also make beetroot have a actual use case other then a useless end game farm.

I mean I get what you are saying 100%, I also will probably not get bored by this issue, and ironically, will not really be impacted by the bamboo change at all, even enjoy it myself! My perspective comes a lot more from the perspective of communities, as not everyone is built for end game grinding. I like it, it sounds like you like it, but not everyone does unfortunately. I am afraid that Mojang is focusing on the wrong stuff when adding for instance the deep dark. That is interesting... for a little while, but gets old fast, it would be nice to see them go back to the fundamentals of game design rather than focus on adding new content -- and specifically with bamboo -- content that can actually hurt game design! Thanks for the comment :-]

@@NicoisLOST thing is no one is making farms because they wanna play game but for progress and if it is a little faster it does not matter what i belive is that we can a actual use case for beetroot and mushrom from this

One of the things that they added was the new way to get netherite gear it is now very late game and finding the armour trims is another thing that people can do late game

@@lavaboatcubesupportsukrain7539 i agree 100% but most technically player do not find it hard finding netherite and diamond cause we have villager for diamond gear and tools ,and tnt duper machine for netherite and diamond

this is a great suggestion, on my server i decided to not use villagers to get mending books to make them feel unique and special, now i'm the only one of my friends who consistently play on the server to upkeep my tools and armor because all my other friends quit because they used the mending villager anyways

No one said that every single person will use bamboo for building. At first, the purpose of the game is exploring sandbox, and only after that building 1000x1000 mega bases. New players wont see a problem at all, but just after a few days, when they realize that they can use bamboo for coal, crafting everything, trading to get better stuff and on and on - what is this exploring type game? The point for that is to change survival mode. If you want to make a good build, okay, dont use bamboo, so? The issue with lack of complexity to obtain resources is still there

@@rare_otherbecause after a certain point when you visit the nether and kill the dragon, the game is no longer about exploring, it’s about building whatever you want, and having bamboo doesn’t really affect that. Even if you can burn it, you still need to put in effort to build a smelter; if you want to trade it, you still need to make a trading hall; and it doesn’t make obtaining building blocks any easier if you want a build to look like anything other than bamboo blocks

@@justinblin That's what I m talking about, after you kill dragon, you are up to urself. But ht problem is that you dont even have to tryhard, since there are literally two steps to make an end for the game. That affects it directly.

@@justinblin Imagine you play GTA 5 solo, same open world, but at the literall beginning you know who is yr enemy and you know his adress. You just go directly to this adress and kill him. Game ended, you are up to yrself for the game.

@@justinblin So the developers has to make a path for you to kill your enemy. You have to explore the world, to understand who is your enemy and why. How you can kill him. But here you can clearly see that mojang made it even worse

You know, when you said "need dark oak to build bookshelves", my brain went "OOOOO that would be cool! A nice element or rng. How happy I would be to encounter dark oak early". Idk maybe there's something wrong with me

@@disricardo-9299 oh for sure! I know there are texture packs/mods that allow for different colored wood-based blocks depending on the wood type you use. Having dark oak bookshelves as an *option* would be really cool. But *necessitating* dark oak for bookshelves, that’s not a good idea in my opinion

Yes I think the hopper issue is important because unlimited hoppers enable so many things. Getting unlimited building blocks is great getting crucial components like hoppers for free not so much. For me who likes building farms it’s so fun to build farms for building farms and it took me days to build my own afk wood farm in survival without a guide. This enabled me to design my own chorusplant farm where i used stacks upon stacks of hoppers. Getting chests( and other components) for free is bad for the game. However I played sooo many hours in my world and still don’t have every farm…I think what he said about timings with early middle and late game is an interesting concept, enabling ppl to play the lategame on the one side but having a long and fun early/Midgame is hard to achieve.

How are woodfarms complicated lmao

Yeah bamboo is very ugly so mining wood is still required

@@ppeez have you never seen an automatic wood farm? Those things are insanely complex and I have a decent grasp on redstone as it is.

@@elireishere i have like 5 in our SMP. I have a wireless redstone enderpearl stasis chamber that lets you teleport 100k+ blocks in mere seconds. wood farms are not that complex anymore

The point is that old tree farms are not only for building aim. What is the point of endless chests, torches? Than they can directly give you thousands of chest and torches in advance, it will be the same, you can even go creative. Dont forget that you dont ever need more coal, since you have...bamboo wow. Why did the game even created mines? You can literally do everying with bamboo. Its not the point of the exploring type game

@@rare_other Do people even explore in minecraft in the first place, atleast I never do, I know how minecraft worlds look, and if I need a specific biome like a desert or ocean monument, I'll just look for it, so I doubt minecraft even really is an exploring game, like, yea, you do look for structures or biomes sometimes, but like, exploring, not really.

​@@voidbitethat is the same for me even more extreme i hate exploring that is why i only play modded skyblock for me you finished the game when you can make every possible item automaticly

@@rare_other Kelp farm is better than Bamboo farm

@@rare_otherit’s a sandbox game. mining has been made enjoyable but sometimes it’s just a chore bc you lack a tool or resources to go mining anyway. diamonds are kinda annoying to get now, so any options to get more in a quicker way is valuable. after the first couple sets of armor and tools, mining is more for recreation than actual necessity, villager trades makes the mining experience much more fun.

I agree with you for the most part. But prismarine farms being on the hard end of the spectrum is abit wierd to me. Guardian farms are not hard to make in the technical sense. They are alot simpler than most farms out there. Once you've seen one, you know how they all work. The spawn mechanics are very simple, you don't need to memorize entire wiki pages like you do for an iron farm or a raid farm. The only hard part is the fact that it takes a while because you have to drain water, but that's not difficult, its just time consuming.

This is an interesting concept. You want a better trade from a villager? Build him a better house. Improve his quality of life somehow.

Another idea that came to mind is making the profession mechanic more "realistic". So instead of just finding whatever job site nearby and going "guess I'll do that now", a villager would need to first learn the job from a villager that already knows it. The way this would look is the villagers would be working together on one job site for a couple of days, then the new villager would get the profession. (Yes, this would mean that you'd need to find an existing villager in the world with a profession to get any other villagers to do it.) Also, trade offers should be rotated per day, not per job site replacement (seriously, how did they mess this up?).

I have been thinking of and idea like this from months. My concept: better trades when you achieve a high level of "happiness" (or any other word) --> if the villager have slept the last night = more discounts; if the villager have eat = more discount; if the villager have talk with other villagers = more discount. With this, you can still make a trading hall but no with 1x1 cubicles, and a village completly functional

​@@CambaCua1995isnt that hoe it litterlaly works rn

reading this reminds me of the terraria happiness system that they implemented in 1.4. It prevented players from building the prisons they would've made for the NPCs in previous updates, for better prices and to make pylons be able to get sold. a good idea would be implementing a similar happiness system, but maybe even make it so that they would even sell better items with a higher happiness.

Correct. Most players just want a convenient source of wood, and are not interested in exploiting or abusing all the OP mechanics in the game. Wood and iron have a problem in Minecraft because mojang made them required in all the important recipes in every stage of the game without giving players any alternative way to obtain these resources. This is why I wish copper displaced some of the iron recipes. There are many ores and materials and yet only 3 of them are really useful. Without the need to invent new uses for new materials, mojang could make new materials useful by giving them some of the old uses of old materials. (As for most wood recipes, they have no reason to be wood in the first place)

Yep, I will not be making any big redstone device to mine bamboo. And I know there are some that are more simple. I just don't want to play the game that way.

I disagree. I think that a very large and considerable amount of players do grind villagers and do build automated farms (although of course, not most).

@@Digital_Rust .... You just repeated what OP said... They said most players don't play that hard. They never said there wasn't a large number. So... You didn't disagree with them at all. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean

"not saying all of yours for in this category" but he is literally doing that.

Duping = Minecraft physics.

i think a perfect nerf that is implementable will be that once a villager spawns it will be locked and can only be that particle villager breeding a villager with a certain role will result in a kid with that job(nepotisim i know) so to nerf breeding farms trades will be restocked twice a minecraft day until you lock them while no effect will be there if the station is broken this can work similarly to how the beacon works my solution for iron farm is that golem will spawn only spawn by type of villager every minute so that you can not put any villager futhuer complicating process for the bamboo thing just make it is so that you need beat root and string to craft a bamboo block (beatroot is acidic in nature and string to hold it up together) this solution will also make beetroot have a actual use case other then a useless end game farm.

@@piyushvasdani8206 I don’t want them nerfed though. Minecraft is supposed to be about creativity and pushing your own limits. And your limits are the only boundaries. If you don’t want to do the farm that’s fine but why try to have it nerfed when your never going to use it. Your just voting to remove something others do enjoy building and using.

@@harrisphera5492 what about multiplayer server i can not use it but if other people on server do then i will never be able to compete and always be 2steps behind

In my experience it seems that at least 50% of players on my SMP engage in some mix of automation/farm building, and casual exploration or decoration. It’s not even week 1 and there’s already a gold farm, an iron farm, a full villager trading setup, a barter farm, and a tree farm, which is 5 out of our dozen players making farms, and there’s already more farms planned. Sure in single player you might not bother doing stuff like this because why make a villager trading hall for enchantments when you won’t ever need more than a single backup gear set, but on an SMP all these farms gain tons of value, and so they should be rewarding to make.

@@piyushvasdani8206 Minecraft is not really focused in multiplayers at all.

yeah i get what he means with this video, but most people dont care for bamboo wood, and like myself, arent going to use it because its kinda ugly

You say that now you can get diamond gear faster with the new mining system. I wonder if you found an iron vein, would it have enough iron for the average player until they beat the game and then they would make a farm for their big projects

Thats the point here. You allow people to do it in a rush, why do they have to find spruce wood or tropic wood to make these crafts if they can simply use bamboo? Thats the point of the video, that minecraft is now not an explore type game, but a rush and go do some crazy stuff in survival. It has to be exploring game, you can clearly see how mojang is trying to add it in new update. For that you dont need bamboo farms, but at the same time, you will get all of this stuff like in two weeks, because the lack of the balanced development. To explore you have to be ready. Minecraft is not a game for 1 day. You have to come here again and again explore new stuff. But if you can rush it and end it like in 2 hours? What kind of exploring game is it

I JUST found the awesomeness of the scaffolds! Such a great block!

the thing about bamboo is it is a fuel type .__. aswell so it is op for that aspect other thing is just complicate the crafting recipe add like beetroot , mushroom and string to it's crafting recipe (beetroot and mushroom are acidic in nature and string to hold it together)

@@piyushvasdani8206 Yeah Bamboo is becoming meta for earlygame (assuming you can find a Jungle). It still sucks for large scale furnace arrays though, they cause decent lag and I think the bamboo could burn faster than hopper speed in some designs

@@YuuseiKurobane mud is not a full block but you can grow , bamboo ,sugarcane over it this means you place hopper benth such a mud area and not have any major lag i have build a similar farm in a op oneblock server and it 200*60 farm and does no lag whatsoever .

@@YuuseiKurobane Yeah I was worried about that too but it actually isnt a big deal normally. Assuming you have an autosmelter linked up to a bamboo farm, you just wait for an hour and ALL of the hoppers and chests are filled completely so there's never an issue of running out of bamboo.

​@@pattfromwiisports It's not the problem of running out of stuff, you always assume you have infinite stuff and try to minimize the player interaction, i.e. crafting. Let's say you have infinite cobblestone, infinite redstone, infinite iron. If you are given the choice of infinite logs or infinite bamboo, which one will be faster for you to craft 10000 pistons? I'm trying to argue that it will be slightly faster to use logs to craft because 1->4 takes less inventory slots rather than 9->1->2 with bamboo. And that time saved will be huge over large quantities. (how to get infinite stuff? -> there are many tutorials on KZfaq..) I understand it's not a problem if let's say you only want like 100 pistons though. In fact, it might be less effort to build a small bamboo farm than a wood farm.

Just don't use elytra or mending or bamboo, "problem" solved

@@derrickstorm6976 lol this facts, people complaining ab stuff like that but like you said "don't use it". minecraft doesn't force you to do anything xd

​@@Giovanni-hp3cvdumb take, just because its a sandbox, that doesnt make everything justifiable. In creative it doesnt matter, but survival should have a gameloop that doesnt make huge parts of the game useless once you get a specific item. The progression is destroyed in newer versions because of that. Thats why so many people praise terraria, great gameloop, well paced progression and you are pushed into using the mechanics of the game

​@@derrickstorm6976 no, players are going to choose the more efficient way to progress in game, and having items that make a big part of minecrafts mechanics useless, like mending for not having to mine for new recourcess like diamonds or elytras for making all other travel mechanics useless while beeing esay to obtian. The game should push you into using different gameloops like mining for a new armor for when your old one breaks or to use minecarts for transportation. But as of now there is no reason to use half of the items in game to get the best and most efficient gear, it takes like 2 hours of playtime im singleplayer to reach the end and get elytras. And dont get me started on servers and how these problems ruin everything that could be a little competitive

​@@derrickstorm6976 wheres the problem with changing these mechanics to be more balanced tho?

im on day 2 of my playthrough and I already have full netherite and trim, it just took me a couple hours longer to mine the diamonds required. Im pretty indifferent

​@@tewigaming2537well not everyone plays 15 hours a day like you

@@etmon. it only took about 6 hours total

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perfect point. and if the server economy is a problem just decrease the price of bamboo items and whoosh, no more problem. I love the late game and hate mc early game so this issue is literaly a blessing in my opinion

Yeah and ... He said on the begining of the video "a new world" ... Go do a automated bamboo farm in the first minutes of your world.

I don't think I'd include amethyst on that "precious" list, largely because it has nearly no use from a game perspective. You make a fairly niche tool, calibrated sculk sensors, and tinted glass.

I dont think the issue is that its renewable, the issue is the ease of renewal, dimond armor has next to no value now because of villagers, even if it was a rare drop from something like emeralds are from pillagers it would be better than removing the need to get diamonds entirely

@@ghjuyt101ironically I’ve used way more diamonds in 1.20 then any other version, trims and netherite have made diamonds so much more worth while

@@qwart22 thats my point, you cant go straight to having the diamon or netherite, you have to used the diamonds to make something

Farming wood is pretty easy if you use birch, since they dont grow in too mega trees they are easy to chop down. Having a field of like 20 trees gives you about 2 stacks per harvest. 128 of wood are about 64 chests or roughly 400 tourches, if you make them with charcoal made from the wood.

While I'm sorry you hate the video, it sounds like it at least made you think and form an opinion, so I'm not sorry for that. My goal is to make people think not for them to nessesarily agree. So I have to say I appreciate your well laid out argument and can agree with some of your points. I also think that I didn't communicate clearly enough (which to be fair is hard in a time-sensitive YT Video) and if we chatted we would probably be more in line than you may believe :-]. Thanks for the comment! Agree to disagree, or come visit to discord to discuss, love to have pushback ;-).

the only thing that changed is that instead of grinding through librarians, you are grinding through lecterns, while saving paper.

This is a really interesting idea!

you can make flying machines in bedrock

Great idea!

That would solve nothing. Just kill it and roll it again, it would only be tedious and annoying

Just remove OP diamond trades.

That would solve nothing. I personally don't even zombify my villagers as there is raid farms (which are BUSTED).

I totally agree. Farming wood for chests has always been a painful grind bamboo is a great solution for that.

I've thought about this a little, and I think that the real problem is not getting mending early. It's the fact that there is a limit to tool, weapons, and armor repair. With fixing your stuff becoming more and more expensive through levels.

Something to note is that enchantments like Mending, which you can't get from the enchanting table, can also be obtained from fishing and dungeons, not just from villagers and End cities. I literally have entire chests filled with books of Mending because I use fishing as my main source of food and xp, and I end up reeling in plenty of enchanted books and fishing rods alongside my rations.

@@GremlinSciences Yeah that is true, but in some update (believe i was 1.16? But im not sure) where they nerved treasure loot from afk fishing.

@@tarezofficial981 They removed it from AFK fishing, but you can still get them from regular fishing. They split the fishing loot table into several tiers, and the requirements for the highest tier where the treasure enchantments are has requirements that prevent AFK fishing setups from being able to achieve it.

​ @GremlinSciences Yes I am aware of that, after the fishing nerfs it just seems easier and way faster to just loot 3-4 endcitys, which I need anyway for all the shulkershells and backup elytras, to get the mending tools that way. The whole point of me don't buying mending from villagers is, that I don't want access to it if it feels too easy. Of course, I could build the Illmango afk fish farm, but why would I? At that point, I could just as well buy them from villagers again. Raiding multiple endcitys or Ancientcitys is more rewarding than cheesing my own rules and just fish for 12 hours straight. I don't see the fun or the point in that. I still want to play Minecraft, instead of AFK Minecraft.

Mending being so easy to get was definitely a mistake. Before villagers it was AFK fish farms, which were even more braindead. Fish until you get all the fishing rod enchantments, then autoclick fishes until you have every enchantment in quantity.

Exactly. A game with such freedom your gonna find a wide variety of play styles. Some people wanna a build a factory that belches out cheap electronics. Other people wanna build a cabin in the woods and watch the sunset.

here is the thing who forced you to make a villager trading farm add mending ._. also anvil repairs are stupid and no way to fix it like who will spend netherite ._. to fix a peice of armor also mining is not for everyone neither is doing repetative task like mining , smelting and mob grinding so farms are a way to ensure thse also minecraft is not a exploartion game cause world limits look around and you will find how many worlds have been lost due to over exploration

​@@piyushvasdani8206 despite the name isn't a mining game either. The game is what you make of it tho.

Didn't like Elytra at first but idk, just don't use it? Devs don't have to punish all people just because who dislike something can't control themselves. It is balanced, rockets aren't easy to get and you burn through them easily. And why is it a problem anyway? Why does it bother to anyone how fast someone found a new biome, or how far and fast they traveled. Why is it you people's concern?

@@jujoya exactly also in terms of elytra there are now faster transportation through blue ice , nether and boat or dept strider , soul sand , soul speed and water in overworld

Yes it should! I haven't double checked but there was no changes that should impact it, use the 1.19 version

Very much agree with this -- and that is part of the point I am trying to make -- minecraft seems to be catering towards this mentality rather than investing in early-mid game gameplay.

Early game you literaly have the whole game to play, end game when u have nothing is good for going and getting your world pretty. My oppinion

I tried to find a real world example from a scientific study, but failed (and got lazy). I would be amazed if it's not in a study somewhere because it's certaintly true, although shifts based on personality I would expect. Interesting with Yerkes-Dodsons, haven't heard of it, but is similar!

i think a perfect nerf that is implementable will be that once a villager spawns it will be locked and can only be that particle villager breeding a villager with a certain role will result in a kid with that job(nepotisim i know) so to nerf breeding farms trades will be restocked twice a minecraft day until you lock them while no effect will be there if the station is broken this can work similarly to how the beacon works my solution for iron farm is that golem will spawn only spawn by type of villager every minute so that you can not put any villager futhuer complicating process for the bamboo thing just make it is so that you need beat root and string to craft a bamboo block (beatroot is acidic in nature and string to hold it up together) this solution will also make beetroot have a actual use case other then a useless end game farm.

Do what satisfies you

I'm absolutely not suggesting that we make early - mid game more of a chore. Or that I want it to be slow and relaxed. I'm saying that it should be interesting so that you do not want to speed blitz through it. I also speed blitz through it because it's boring, thats the issue, good games don't make you want to "get done with the chore" like this.

@@NicoisLOST Then the approach shouldn't be nerfing late game or making early-mid game longer. It should be adding more things that only work in those stages. Kind of like what gold should've been, or what bundles are trying to be. More incentives or niche things that make you want to stay in those early stages because it's enjoyable.

Also the other wood farms are not irrelevant if you are looking to produce specific color of block

I'm certaintly not recommending a huge grind for no reason. I just would like to see Mojang think more about game balance and creating an enjoyable early-mid game. I'mm 100% against needless grinding! Gold apples: IanXOFour takes an hour max to set up and is pretty easy early game also. Appreciate the comment and dialog ;-)