I agree with the perspective of society of being product based, why can't we take satisfaction in the process? That's where you're truly spending most of your time. I think knowing the hurdles of reaching the product would be incredibly beneficial to listeners. Its really easy to listen to a music legend and think you'll never even get close to being on par with them. How often do failures/hurdles get highlighted and spoken on after the release of something? When I was back studying music more seriously, I think learning about "outtakes" or how long it truly took someone to achieve something would serve as a great motivator. Society is critical of "mistakes," but yet we all make them so then we feel pressured to only share our best...

Great interview. The part about trusting your subconscious really resonated with me. I started playing trumpet in 5th grade, played through 1 year of college and then 10 years in the Navy music program. Not to brag but I was pretty good. After I got out of the Navy I put down the trumpet for 20 years and stated playing again about 6 months ago. Looking back on when I used to play, I wasn't thinking about it, I was just playing and trusting what I knew. Now I'm in my head a lot of the time and thinking instead of just playing. When I can get out of my head and just play my old sound comes back and I do alright. Admittedly I still need a lot of practice and may never get back to where I was when it was my full time job but getting out of my head definitely helps.

Great interview....and his dad plays bass!! Btw, it's not too late to also become a pilot.