Was about to comment the same! :')

Same in Danish: “kætter”

It’s not related, it’s the same word.

Did not know this! Thanks!

This etymological origin of "cathar" is disputed, and in my mind makes no sense at all. Why would anyone refer to heretics as "the pure" (Cathari/Katharóí)? It is more likely that the Dutch word "ketter" derives from the Middle High German "Ketzer", which means heretic, and in turn probably derives from the German word "Katze" (cat), attributing to the heretics some of the mischievous characteristics of a cat.

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I was on the edge of my seat 😂😂😂

Dutch?

What language? The probable etymology of bigot is from les Albigeois; Albigot; bigot i.e. the word for Cathar became synonymous with heretic

May be for English language countries, but I guarantee that this Crusade against the Cathars is a well- known topics in France. Dozens of books, movies , TV series, etc. It's a well trodden subject believe me ;-)

@@marcmarco5373 i am very glad then, friend. At least France is keeping the memory alive. Truly this was a most Brutal extermination campaign, conparable with Nazis genocide pogroms of mid-20th century.

@@damouno Well compared to a lot of things that happened in the course of history, the Albigesan crusade was quite a minor episode. We tend to look at history with own set of values, but those were not the values of the people who lived in other times. Most Christians at the time would have seen nothing wrong with the extermination of heretics, just as the mongols (to take an example in another time and place) would have seen nothing wrong with the tactics of terror used by Gengis Khan..

@@marcmarco5373 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, the Catholic Church has bared a lot of bad fruit.

@@jeremiahduran7238 At the time; the Church was the Christian Church. Period. In that context, Catholic/Protestant is an anachronism.. And BTW, last time I checked, the Protestant Churches were no slouches at oppressing and mass killing heretics when they saw the need....

Usually the Franciscans see service to others as a major main way of devotion, while Dominicans see the attainment of knowledge as a main way of devotion

Spoiler: The differences are arbitrary.

It is big different between both of them and Chatars. Chatars didn`t whorship christianity. They have followed Zoroaster dualism, the same as Bogomils in Balkan. Even Bogomils from Balkan have teached Chatars.

@@bojanstare8667 no one was talking about Cathars mate

@@DJNO4444 Sorry, some problems with computer. Should be some lines bellow. By the way, video was about Cathars. :-)

Iv'e also been waiting for a video about the Cathars for a long time! I'm looking forward to hear what he has to say about the movement. I find it extraordinarily interesting.

mebe !

Not really religious studies so much as catholic propaganda.

Amazing history and the twist at the end!

Txs for sharing. I was in the Languedoc region as a tourist....loved, loved it! Mesmerizing!

I've always wanted to go to the caves that the cathars meditated Have you been?

Folk singer, Wizz Jones sings 'The Massacre of Beziers' and perfectly encapsulates the story. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/asWDppehm7bPk3U.html

Do you still live in beziers ? Is it easy to get around Languedoc by train or bus to visit Cathar sites ?

@@adamferencszi797 I don't, and I don't think it is well connected as a lot of sites are pretty remote. Car rental probably is the most viable option

Cathars are in Catalonia. The first time the territory is referred to as Catalonia (Cathalunia originally in latin) is right when the Catars were expelled from southern france. So where would they go? Exactly, right accross the pyrenees where they could take refuge and start a new society in the reconquered muslim land. The Count of catalonia also cointidentially converted to catholicism after the conflict, reaching an agreement with the pope to stop the crusade and let the cathars live as catholic converts in catalonia. The south of france was mostly repopulated with northern franks, even tho some cathars managed to survive and stay but they were few and the biggest amount od them were in catalonia.

@@adamferencszi797 : Hello, fellow commenter from the past. I came here just to say that I've been to Beziers and many other places in southerm France recently. Trains are a bit expensive but they are a perfect way to travel, and the whole region is just beautiful. To the east, you can go to Nimes and Avignon, to the west you can visit Narbonne, Carcasonne, and Toulouse, and in Toulouse change trains to go to Albi and Rodez. Castres is a bit off-track but it's worth to see as well. And if you have a bit of time, you can go through Narbonne to Perpignan and to Spain, to Barcelona.

The cathars were only living in certain part of France(languedoc).they were anihilated by Simon de montfort an anglo/french lord in what's called the albigecian crusade.very sad......very similar to what they did to the jewish population in Spain...

@@andreebesseau6995 Yeah

@@pnkcnlng228 come si chiama il paese?

Cathar is irish for city /stone Fort so a similar word could have named the village so I could be a false equivalent or maybe it was named after them

@@mikeoxsmal8022 The best hypotesis is that it was called after the contraction of "Ca dul Drach" that in Lombard means the house of the dragon

It's a good one!

The Cathar were the 120 seed of Seth, that are NOW here in this age. The 120 are the Ones who will awaken all. The inquisition went to kill them. They said to the Cathar, after they made a great bon fire. "You will become catholic or we will throw you into the fire". The Cathar just walked into the fire. They had no pain. This scared the hell out of the inquisition, lol. "The Gnostic Truth, The 120 seed of Seth". kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKmHg9Oe1NPdpmQ.html&ab_channel=AWikkedMoon

do you know more about Bosnia? I know that the Serbian rules talked to Pope Innocent iii accusing Bosnians of using a form of Bogomils by the Bulgars. But would like to hear the Bosnian perspective if you are.

@@philly442 What topics/sources you are interested in? About Bosnian heretical church? Medieval period of Bosnia in general? Conversion to Islam or?

Blame the man, not the religion.

there was no documented sectarianism in Russia.

​@@thatisme3thatisme38 Lol, you serious?

@@thatisme3thatisme38 just from the top of my mind - 15th century "ересь жидовствующих", 17th century and still running - old believers, 18th century+ - духоборы, молокане, субботники, хлысты, скопцы (sect which was really into genital mutilation)

Thank you for this, I’m going to re read that now tomorrow. I adore Borges 👏

Hermeticism

Have you listened to the video nothing about them was Christian

They were vile gnositc heretics nothing Christian about them

All three of the comments I've received so far are examples of the things I dislike about this forsaken website :) Chill, folks !

@@googleaccount4471 chill out your holiness, the crusades have been over for centuries

@@mosquitobight Only to the blind.

Also think of the althist consequences for the religious schism wars later on. Languedoc was - before the crushade - a heavily populated economical heavyweight region in europe, proudly independent against the parisean french throne. In the 100-years war as well as the reformatory conflicts that region would probably have made some alliances to shift the power balance considerably. Also modern vegetarianism would have it somewhat easier I guess.

The Vedic religion started to decline with the spread of Buddhism and Jainism though, it would have more likely encountered Vaishnavism and Shaivism.

They’re not that similar

The Cathars are just one example of the most common heresy: Gnosticism. It will probably never be totally wiped out; not before Jesus returns.

Well their beliefs are very similar to Manichaeism, as mentioned in the video.

I second that recommendation! I read "Montaillou" just a couple of weeks ago, mainly for the insight into a Medieval village, and it was a very interesting portrait of the people in the village! Good book, a bit dense on and off, but definetly worth a read if anyone is interested in Medieval history or Christian religion history.

That's because it's not a settled matter whether the krstjanin of the Bosnian church actually considered themselves to be bogomils.

Pretty much is. 😮

Well. The Church was very corrupt back then. Good thing for the Reformation.

Yeah. The Church was very crooked back then.

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I love Kay's appreciation of history, especially less popular historical periods. The melancholy beauty of Al Rassan is amazing. But the way he handles sex in his stories is so adolescent it really makes me cringe

Wow. ​@@latieplolo

That is how I feel about every religious view; I'm always doing a "thumb tacks and string" presentation in my head finding similarities in religions. Which is why I don't feel I fit into any religious groups.

@@spamachuchan8824 Paulicianism is the connection between Cathars and Zoroastrians.

I know a Zorastrian. A young perse. A very intelligent beautiful person. Golima.

Is there a connection between the Templars and the introduction of Catharism into Europe? I believe Graham Hancock says this is in his book Talisman.

@@TheLkoler possible

Agreed. According to my research, references to the Albigensians in the SDA publications "The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan" by Ellen G.White, and "God has always had a people" by Kenneth McFarland are, at best, misguided. There is strong evidence that the Cathars of Languedoc believed in the doctrine of Docetism, that Christ did not come in the flesh. This stands in opposition to the Epistles of John the Beloved, who identified this early Gnostic teaching and defined it as the "spirit of antichrist". While this may have been a false accusation made against the Cathars by the Church of Rome to give them further reason to have them eliminated, the weight of evidence points to a Cathar adoption of Marcionite and Manichaean doctrine. With peculiarity, one of my sources indicates that the Cathars possessed a copy of the Gospel of St. John, and if so, how could they have read it's first chapter and still clung to such a grievous error?

I read a book by a Baptist author who made similar claims for the Cathars Waldensians and several other medieval fringe groups where he appropriated all the groups as the remnant of the "true church" thereby lending credence to the spiritual heritage bequeathed to the Baptist Churches somehow descending through the Anabaptists A short time later I read a book on church history that demonstrated some inconsistencies in that notion Anyways this video helped me understand it even better

every (sect) is the troo path or ✨(it) would not (be) !

Ah random revelation of “true Christianity” did of course happen in 19th century America. That totally makes sense.

@@bromomento3950 That obvious objection is why new religions frequently pretend to be old. If you just say that god suddenly revealed something novel to you, others will probably dismiss it. So you need to dress it up a the recovery of ancient texts or teachings that have been lost.

We had prayers for the Cathars who lost their lives at Monsignor recently across Europe and the world I took part they are not forgotten the holy grail link makes them a special faith & religion let's not forget the Bogomils also similer faith and they had contact with each other I believe .

@@livestreamsrecordingsuk4529 Wonderful and thank you. With peculiarity, The Cathars are referred to as Albigensians in the 1888 publication of "The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan" by Ellen G. White. In "People of the Piedmont" (1582?) they are referred to as the "Pure Ones". My only concern is the accusations of Docetism made against them by their detractors.

@@questor5189 Thanks for the information I have come across the holy man Marcel Manning he seems to have alot of knowledge on the Cathars he has met other religious Faith's in India and traveled I believe to tibet also .

A very different set of beliefs, observing the creeds of mainstream Christianity.

I think there is something much deeper in regards to cathars as well as gnosticism in the western religious cannon. I like watching these videos but don't have too much knowledge outside of my reformations class from college but the works of the author phillip k dick, especially valis, almost makes my little tinfoil hat brain in regards to the catholic church go ding ding ding.

More like the interest of the French crown, who happily did all the work of the crusade and benefitted greatly, despite being hardly mentioned in this video

So did I.i still fell them.carcassone was defended by women.

Thank you 🙏

Well. It comes quite close.

Those unvaccinated by the church of rome.

We are real. And we survived. I live West Virginia. We are called the Families of the Eastern Star. We founded Alexandria Virginia and a little Country called the United States of America. Sheltered by the Kale, Romanchal and Scotts we fled to the Forest of Cumberland.

@@M-i-k-a-e-l 😂😂😆

@@M-i-k-a-e-l me thinking the same ;o))

​@shadowforger2035 Well. Still, very few must have survived.

Well done

A good one.

you do realise that you're talking to yourself instead of engaging with the audience, right?✍️😂

@@AlessioAndres Well. Either way, I found it funny.

Great one.

Kathaarian Life Code is another great one by Darkthrone.

Not the main problem with them

That's what Moctezuma said!😂

You understand they were violent, and sometimes suicidal right? They tought anything in the world is bad hence having kids was bad, God was secretely the demiurge, and Jesus comes from The real God, basically marcionalism, it was incredibly gnostic, they probably had blood sacrifices to free someone from this Planet, its obvious they gonna hate the church who thinks the creator is Good, this also implies we took Jesus and turned him into our simbol, the gnostics of this type are incredibly dangerous, they differ from buddists because buddist believes in reincarnation, which means that they atleast dont promote suicide, because of karma, they problem said that since they knew this truth they are saved because they acquired this knowlage, which means they did not cared for kindness or good works, because it was all a way to realize world bad, hence death, imagine a society in which suicide is incentived, and now imagine as a catholic, people would litterraly kill themselves which means that from a catholic they saw catharcism as basically a guaranteed way to hell, because suicide is total rejection of life, and perseverence which is a catholic philosofical concept, that is very scary, people totally thinked they were possessed

I keep finding it online, but haven't been able to find the original source.

@@LetsTalkReligion Cheers. I'll get a screenshot of it! 😊

How all-knowing and all-encompassing of you to figure that out for the rest of us.

Because you would know if there is anything else?

Well. The world is flawed, but there are wonders in it too.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

Well said. And the other way around: too lopsided belief that this is a direct heavenly abode given to us as a lollipop from God may seduce us into hedonism and miss the goal of the return of the prodigal son. But sure, sometimes one need to totally wreck oneself in earthly stuff before willingness for truth enters...

Dan Brown’s inexplicably popular book (aside from anything else, one of the worst-written pieces of nonsense I ever encountered), and his source by Baigent and Leigh, haven’t helped matters, alas.

@@Historian212 And it's useless to try and discuss things with these people. Be it ancient aliens, Atlantis, or Cathars . I tried for a while , but is no use. When i try to counter their arguments they start by telling me 'i should read a few books, because i obviously don't know what i'm talking about. And when i tell them i'm a historian, they tell me i'm either part of the brain-washed or the brainwashing academia. So whatever i'm saying, i'm always wrong ...Unless i agree with them ofcourse 😅

@@spiritualanarchist8162, I feel for ya

@@spiritualanarchist8162 Maybe we all mix knowledge with bullshit off and on? A lightandlove newage freak may have a few percent right that complements your, let's say, 90 percent..Isn't that a gift then? Moreover, essential aspects of mystical knowledge will never be revealed by academia. The cathar history is shrouded in fog when it comes to the inner teachings, paraphysical abilities, esoteric heritage etc. So, my thought is, keep humble and be open to unusual transmissions of truths in the matter. All the best.

@@M-i-k-a-e-l That's not really my point. It's about projecting one's own's ideas upon a historical sect. We may not know a lot about them, but we do know they were duelists and viewed creation as a product of an evil ,or atleast ,flawed demi god. So when i read books, and see videos with people claiming Cathars were non dual nature lovers i find it annoying . What is wrong with just accepting that we don't know much about them ? Why this need to project one's own concepts upon everything 'mysterious' in the past ?

How we don't even know that much about them

@John Patrick Hogin one of my favorite sites!

Well. But there are some limits.

I think you are right, perhaps a landing amongst the essenes on your way to the cathars is necessary 🤓

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