Wallada: The Rebel Princess-Poet of Al-Andalus

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28 күн бұрын

In this video, we explore the fascinating life and poetry of Wallada bint al-Mustakfi, an Umayyad princess who broke norms in 11th century Andalusia, as well as her love affair with the famous poet Ibn Zaydun.
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Sources/Recomended Reading:
Lytle, Molly (2022). "“By God, I was made for Glory” -Wallada bint al-Mustakfi:
How Women Exerted Agency in the Umayyad Dynasty of Al-Andalus". Master's Thesis. University of Chicago.
Menocal, María Rosa; Raymond P. Scheindlin & Michael Sells (eds.) (2000). "The Literature of Al-Andalus". Cambridge History of Arabic Literature. Cambridge University Press.
Omran, Doaa (2022). "Wallāda Bint al-Mustakfi: A Muslim Princess Speaking Passionately and Persistently in the “Palimpsest” of al-Andalus". WOMEN’S STUDIES, 2022, VOL. 51, NO. 2, 120-136.
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@nafise440 27 күн бұрын

Thank you for making videos about forgotten part of history especially Islamic world. I learn a lot from your channel🙏

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Thank you! 🙂

@jonstfrancis 26 күн бұрын

If the World is a peacock then Al Andalus is the tail.

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Love that!

@TempehLiberation 26 күн бұрын

That palm tree line is fire lol - like an ancient rap battle.

@MoE-fs8zk 19 күн бұрын

Arabic war poetry always had diss lines harder than most rap songs on average, as well as motivational poetry were sung before battles mixed with drums play flexing and representing the tribal reputation and swagger.

@zlotamaska1 25 күн бұрын

As an Arabic language student, I must say that this is one of the best of your videos.

@AbdoZaInsert 23 күн бұрын

والله انك سنع يوم تعلمت العربية, اختيار موّفق وتحياتي لك من الجزيرة العربية.

@zlotamaska1 23 күн бұрын

@@AbdoZaInsert هههههه، ألف شكر أخي تحياتي من بولندا ❤️

@pkphohog 26 күн бұрын

To hear the sound of a womans voice speaking these poems of the Real in Arabic is elating and enlightening. Opening. God Willing

@AbuSous2000PR 23 күн бұрын

25 years ago, I visited Cordoba and stumbled on the monument you finish the video with by accident. It took me a while to recognize what it was, but finally, my mother recognized it. Many thanks.

@nzofhull 26 күн бұрын

You are incredible. The Lost Garden is one of my favourite albums of any music genre of all time - Wallada is one of the most fascinating characters and your dedication and presentation style all make it into a beautiful culmination of top class content. Great Job, Philip.

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Thank you very much!

@user-kj8yl6sn2z 27 күн бұрын

There are many love stories in Arab history, but the most important are: 1. The story of Majnun Laila, in the city of Laila in Najd’, His name is Qais قيس و ليلى 2. The story of Jamil Buthaina in the Al-Ula oases جميل بثينة 3. The story of Kathir Azza in a village between Mecca and Medina كثير عزّة 4. The story of Antar and Abla, whose tribe was Abs in the Hail region عنتر وعبلة 5. The love story of Al-Buraq bin Rouhan and his love, Laila البراق بن روحان وليلى 6. The story of Tawba bin Al-Himyar and his lover, Laila Al-Akhailiyya توبة بن الحمير وحببته ليلى الأخيلية 7. The story of Majnun Lubna, His name is also Qais. Their love story took place near Mecca. قيس و لبنى

@hababalmahi5684 27 күн бұрын

Yesssss

@affanshaikh8492 26 күн бұрын

Thank you! I'll now be doing intensive research on all of these 😅😂 I only knew about Laila majnun

@user-kj8yl6sn2z 26 күн бұрын

@@affanshaikh8492 Majnun means crazy, the name of the poet Qais and his beloved Laila. Meaning crazy with love for Laila Because I think in all of human history, he is the man who lost his mind and became crazy because he lost his lover and she married another man. More than half of these stories deserve a movie.

@alvarobarcala 26 күн бұрын

@@user-kj8yl6sn2z In some way I guess you can interpret it like that. Though in the sufi story the main "meaning" of that craziness is being "crazy" for God, only caring for God and not worldly things, so that to the eyes of other people you are "crazy". Thanks for the list by the way, it is really interesting! I will search for some of those titles.

@user-kj8yl6sn2z 26 күн бұрын

@@alvarobarcala The stories are from Arabs before Islam and Arabs at the beginning of Islam. There was no Sufism, and these people do not know Sufism. Developing the earth is one of the teachings of Islam, so Sufi methods conflict with the Muslim methodology of balancing between developing the earth and working for the afterlife to enter Paradise.

@30secondsflat 12 күн бұрын

Having a voice actor recite her poetry was a great touch.

@yaraalmostafa8173 2 күн бұрын

I guess he is the reader but AI his voice I guess , Arabic reader would read that a bit better , but still a great touch any way

@antoniovittorio4686 26 күн бұрын

Thank you for this romantic story . What I love most in this romantic affair is the mystical, spiritual, highly colored and poetical environment in which it took place. If the mystical atmosphere of their epoch was taken out, such an affair would leave me almost indifferent. It is the poetical realm that gives such an intensity and immortality to this ❤story.

@RedRose-cn8ln 22 күн бұрын

Proud to be Arab ❤ and proud of the great Ummayed dynasty history and contributions , Proud to be Muslim 😊

@devidaughter7782 7 күн бұрын

what a beautifullly made video- so immersive in the aesthetic, architecture, poetry and personalities of this time and place - thanks for taking us on a journey, and for your focus on the herstory of such an amazing woman!

@dakhilaf 25 күн бұрын

Ibn Zaidun wrote a seething sarcastic letter to one of Walladas many suiters (ibn Abdous, a minister) scolding him for even thinking that he is good enough for her. Ibn Zaidun wrote the letter as if by Wallada. It is one masterpiece of literature.

@aaronmoore3050 22 күн бұрын

Their civiliazation fell, so in the end he was wrong, then, and it did not matter.

@richnothnagel 22 күн бұрын

@@aaronmoore3050 what are you talking about?

@alexanderwhite1171 21 күн бұрын

Every civilization falls. No exceptions

@dakhilaf 20 күн бұрын

@@aaronmoore3050 their civilization is why millions go to visit Spain today. It matters to those who read and understand Arabic ( richest and most eloquent language) it is a masterpiece in literary craftsmanship and above the threshold of those who can’t appreciate the Beauty of language

@wewenang5167 19 күн бұрын

@@aaronmoore3050 wtf are you talking about????

@dlbwoodbury 25 күн бұрын

Thanks for re-igniting my love for the glorious city and culture of Cordoba, where I spent (or misspent) part of my youth❤

@methoali 26 күн бұрын

Love and poetry - two things that may seem like a rarity these days - but they are not - thanks to people like you! May Allah bless you for your efforts and bless your channel. Beautiful work! Keep going ❤ ما شاء الله

@avicrane113 26 күн бұрын

Inspiring video. Thank you for all your valuable work on KZfaq

@Perozes-gh4lx 26 күн бұрын

Possibly one of your best videos yet, Filip, great job, beautiful shots, beautiful music, beautiful atmosphere and as always, a beautiful breakdown!

@halima4621 25 күн бұрын

One of my favorites videos from you. The poems were very spicy indeed. Thanks for sharing

@ThothAdam 27 күн бұрын

Thank you for presenting this! I love studying this period being a student on the path (Ruhaniat). This story is spicy 😊 What a great movie this would make ❤

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Definitely!

@MasoudJohnAzizi 25 күн бұрын

Great presentation! This reveals that Wallada obviously suffered from what modern psychology refers to as "psychopathic grandiose narcissism".

@Notethos 26 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for this video! I have enjoyed your videos in the past year that I've known about your work. I was moved by your video of al-Shushtari, but the cinematography, music, and storytelling in this video is incredible, thank you! And as you introduced me to the poetry of Rumi (which I'm enjoying very much), thank you again.

@hababalmahi5684 27 күн бұрын

This is the best video on the internet, thankful to you, Philip

@yasinhassani5631 27 күн бұрын

Why

@philipoulton7730 26 күн бұрын

Wow! This video is one of your best, Filip...Your music, videography, writing, choice of art oh! and the spiciness! 🌶🌶🌶 Stunning effort. I'll be sharing it with many friends.

@yahyae420 24 күн бұрын

By far one of your most amazing videos. Love the music too

@SleepyGuitarPedals-pb6si 27 күн бұрын

That beard looks good on you +thank you for this master piece

@aserderthy 26 күн бұрын

Agrèed 😊

@honisoitquivole 26 күн бұрын

AND you incorporated your beautiful music…bravo!

@user-gr7wd4kg3e 27 күн бұрын

Amazing video & I loved the way you did Wallada's poems...

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

I had help from a friend. She did an amazing job!

@AbdoZaInsert 23 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion Glad you told us, Thought it was you whom did the voice over 😜 Great video as always !

@MrIexperience 26 күн бұрын

Tenderly crafted, thank you Filip

@jkellner3 26 күн бұрын

Nice work! Both poets are new to me - glad to have come across this

@r.a.8582 23 күн бұрын

Your most beautiful video so far :-) Amazing stuff!

@BenMearsFromTheLot 19 күн бұрын

I am going on a roadtrip straight through Andalucia in a couple of weeks...I wanted to thank you for your channel...it's content will greatly enhance my experience while visiting Al-Andalus!

@jtdavis6937 18 күн бұрын

I'm a hard-core atheist but I found this a lovely gem of history about people I'd never heard of previously - well researched, produced and presented.

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

What incredible and beautiful video and channel(s). Thank you.

@giorgi-b5f 26 күн бұрын

Excellent video, as always ❤.

@Ameroff1982 11 күн бұрын

Fascinating video; I had known of Wallada but have now learnt a lot more about her. She also fostered female education in Al Andalus.

@nadilene789 23 күн бұрын

This is fascinating, great video!

@unironicallyunfunny6789 26 күн бұрын

Celebrity gossip has never been this interesting

@someofmyvideos774 26 күн бұрын

These poems sound to me like playful jibes among poets. People who’ve gotten over it but still enjoy these exchanges. Thank you for this video.

@Theshamanman130 9 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for Al- Andalus videos they have opened my heart and my mind to Pastlife memories from these times ❤❤❤

@makhalid1999 26 күн бұрын

Man the back and forth poems are a whole rap battle

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

@@makhalid1999 such "battles" were quiet common. Some were even improvised on the spot live. The tradition goes back to the Jahilyya period. Also, this love of poetry and improvisation and sheer passion manifests in Arabic music too of course. Like, in the mawwal genre, you are given a poem and you sing and recite it however you like. You can sing any notes you want and even remove and add lines and you are expected to come up with clever poetic stanzas on the spot. The most famous mawwal is of course Layali, which is the "Ya leily, ya einy" thing.

@SleepyGuitarPedals-pb6si 25 күн бұрын

😂😂😂 i literally enjoy it so much sass

@GreaterAfghanistanMovement 23 күн бұрын

@@Ziad3195 Afghans are the same, we love poetry.

@Ziad3195 23 күн бұрын

@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement beautiful, I didn't know.

@YU-mj6qb 26 күн бұрын

I love this format 🙏❤️

@souria25 26 күн бұрын

great video, I was sort of shocked when she was writing about sensitive topic, I never heard such thing before in poetries.

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

@@souria25 That kind of thing was much more common than you think it is. Especially in the Islamic Golden Age.

@maiacorbin7879 26 күн бұрын

Extremely here for this content

@geordiejones5618 24 күн бұрын

I really enjoy learning about places that were occupied by those that seem so distant from what existed before or after or cultures that moved very far and then were taken over. Arab Spain, Roman-Greek Anatolia/North Africa, Hellenistic Persia, Viking England, Gothic Southern Europe, the Vandals, the Huns, the Normans, the Mongols, the Phonecians and of course the many iterations of Sicily. Very cool human to learn about.

@easily12 21 күн бұрын

Alhamdulillah!☝️👸🕊️ Thanks for sharing a glimpse of the brilliance💎 of Islamic history in Europe!🌍

@nostalgicsighs5933 24 күн бұрын

Hello. First of all I´d like to say that I love your content and that I would really love a video of you showing us the diferents lectures or books that you consider the best or most interesting, those that have marked you as a person.

@marcbrasse747 19 күн бұрын

Very nice. Thank you. It is high time I visit El Andalus. Somehow I feel very connected to it.

@craigdelaney8737 27 күн бұрын

Thank You for this Insight and Revelation to a Personally unknown aspect of the mideastern culture..👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Fascinating!😳💕🤔

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Thank you so much!

@cindchan 26 күн бұрын

Quite an interesting couple! And, oh my, that poetry! You weren't kidding when you said "spicy"! The backdrop in your video was beautiful! Where was this video made?

@yaraalmostafa8173 2 күн бұрын

I just finished the novel : Garanada trilogy, by Radwa Ashour tilling the life of an arab familiy after the falling of Arab rulling of the Iberian peninsula, it was heart breaking and came after that immediately to this video.

@tariqyousaf9948 24 күн бұрын

It's a wonderful presentation.

@GilTheDragon 26 күн бұрын

Id always heard a similarity between flamenco singing & the adhan but the historical territorial link in al andaluz hadnt clicked until just now

@Darkest_matter 13 күн бұрын

i like old arabic, persian, chinese and urdu/hindi love songs. one of my favourite songs is 'marjan kavire de'

@kuroazrem5376 26 күн бұрын

Those dis-tracks are quite heavy man!

@user-yj6zs4ze1z 23 күн бұрын

Very nice video 🙂

@zacharyowens6664 26 күн бұрын

Another classic!

@broximus4550 26 күн бұрын

Suggestion: I would love an episode about Oud or Qanun, including taqasim with different maqams. It would be interesting to take a detour into music.

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Check out my other channel "Filip Holm" for music content like that.

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligionhey, can you please talk about your favourite maqam music albums? I would be very, very interested in that. Especially of it was some Islamic Golden Age music, ah yes! Also, just a video about different types of maqams played on different instruments, their connotations, history, where and when they originated if we know etc would be super interesting!

@kuroazrem5376 26 күн бұрын

Going through some love-related termoil I feel the poetry man.

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Hope the turmoil isn't too long lasting!

@kuroazrem5376 26 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion it has lasted for the past 6 months!

@ecod7r 23 күн бұрын

excellent channel, one of the best in the world. Accurate information, no hiddin agendas.

@jeraldbaxter3532 26 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@9516cesar 26 күн бұрын

beautiful video, on time with me going through breakup

@glenncbjones 26 күн бұрын

Professor Holm, Your lovely words, and your beautiful music, and your gorgeous visuals, are both compelling and also beguiling… Easily and solidly of such a rarified nature as to give an old “infidel” much serious pause… My breath returns only with great reluctance… - Namaste! Glenn Jones

@jaif7327 26 күн бұрын

Though Wallada is a celebrated poet i think she seems to be some sort of symbol for the general decadence of the Umayyad nobles during their twilight years.

@schmules101 26 күн бұрын

That hand statue is beautiful

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Agreed!

@Imaginary.Dragon 26 күн бұрын

Nice!

@Aanandlahar 26 күн бұрын

Very wonderful teaching from Al Andalusi master Ibn Arabi *_Wahadat Al Wujood_* Everything derives it's *wujood* from the same Divine source

@alaraab67Hu-nb5xw 26 күн бұрын

للغتي عربية ... مواضيعك رائعة ايها "الموسوعي الرائع =صاحب القناة " ...تصحيح لصدرالبيت الثاني ..يحسبن من "لين" الكلام فواحشا

@blancadominguez1268 22 күн бұрын

Thank you for this great video. 🙏 Could you share the name of the singer whose voice appears in the opening scene? I’m interested in flamenco and I love the way he mixes the arabic singing with flamenco cadences.

@StoneHerne 26 күн бұрын

😍 Beautiful! 😍

@magickmagazine7675 26 күн бұрын

Beautiful

@wissalmetir7840 25 күн бұрын

They were going for each other’s necks back then lol the palm tree line was hilarious

@user-gr7wd4kg3e 27 күн бұрын

I'd love to learn more about this poetic diss battle... Can you recommend any sources with both the original Arabic and an English translation

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

There are some articles in the list of sources in the description.

@prairieelr 24 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion Thank you.

@MhamadAlHaj 26 күн бұрын

Hello Philip, it was one thing when you read the Arabic text, we know you are doing your best and this is lovely in some sense. Though we might be more critical of the person reciting in this video as they can talk proper Arabic, though they didn't convey this in the recitation, a lot is missing in their reading.

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

Hey, as an Egyptian, I am wondering what are the faults in her readings you found.

@MhamadAlHaj 24 күн бұрын

@@Ziad3195 its not faults in reading but more of a boring narration as if this is the first time they are reading this poem

@Ziad3195 24 күн бұрын

@@MhamadAlHaj Actually, it turns out there are many faults. I didn't pick up on such faults though because sadly Arabic is weak :( Yeah, the narration is too passionless. Maybe she tried to come off more sensual.

@nasirfazal5440 26 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

Thank YOU!

@miguelmontoya 26 күн бұрын

Wonderful. Maravilla.

@rtbinc2273 26 күн бұрын

Wonderful video, I learned a lot. I wonder about the art that is shown. It is always in the same style but is not credited. Is it AI generated?

@LetsTalkReligion 26 күн бұрын

It is not! In this video, I used a lot of paintings by Rudolf Ernst.

@rtbinc2273 26 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion Thanks. You just don't know these days. I've been caught out by AI generated art and even KZfaq shorts. I wish more KZfaqrs would credit public domain art. I'd like to track some of it down and learn more. It can be very hard.

@MrNenai 26 күн бұрын

A Woman ❤ thanks for that sooooo much!!!

@saint_gales 25 күн бұрын

when watching for the first time i legitimately thought that maybe this video was a way for you to tell us indirectly that you had found love with an arab woman, since wallada’s poems are recited in arab and his lover’s you voice yourself in english, which would fit the theme of their poetry, the intermingling of cultures, the courtly secrets, etc etc

@flamencoprof 24 күн бұрын

This made me think of other literary scenes such as Henry Miller and Anaïs Nin, or Virginia Woolf and the Bloomsbury Group, or even the Laurel Canyon musical scene.

@t0uchme 26 күн бұрын

Oh my god, that intro

@osamaj 26 күн бұрын

Question, how did they share their poetry back then? Was is at the majlis that they would read their poetry? And someone would tell them that the other responded to their last poem?

@adamsnow4979 26 күн бұрын

Poetry used to be spread like newspapers

@abdolmojeebnour9528 25 күн бұрын

عمل عظيم في قراءة الشعر الفصيح، هو الاصعب خصوصا لمتعلمي اللغة العربية من غير المتكلمين بها، مايزال الجهد مطلوبا لاجادة النطق خصوصا في اماكن التشديد، انصح بسماع الشعر الجاهلي وكتابة الالابيات كتابة صوتية بالحروف اللاتينية

@abdolmojeebnour9528 25 күн бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ormAqaWhmrGqdqM.html this is the poem in a voice of an excellent reader, it will help capture the pronounciation and the rythm and melody of the classic arabic poetry

@MrEHD-fj1bz 24 күн бұрын

19:50 let me make something clear the name Walada in arabic means approximately : woman who give berth repeatedly or multiple times in the fist verse she said "Walada ,you become a walada" really sarcastic

@nadie__nadie001 26 күн бұрын

Nice work! But at 4:01 you got the Arabic lines wrong! It's لين not ليل. The pronunciation of the voice had many mistakes too.

@hmtmth8481 17 күн бұрын

Video on Tengri in Central Asia please

@batosato 21 күн бұрын

This is a wonderful video. This part of the Muslim history shows how open-minded and moderate Muslim Spain was which gave a perfect ground to produce great scholars

@khanahsanimam 17 күн бұрын

Dear i really liked ur videos, Its kind request just make a video about The Martyr poet n Belong to Bahai faith. Tahirih Quratulain, she was killwd n her body was thrown in well in Tehran Iran

@jeanettewaverly2590 23 күн бұрын

“Córdoba, lejana y sola Jaca negra, luna grande Y aceitunas en mi alforja.” - Federico García Lorca

@interhaker 23 күн бұрын

the voice actress that recited the poems butchered the prononciation.

@user-nu6dw7kl7u 4 күн бұрын

I think her comparison isn't a racist rather she refers to herself as the moon the full and the most important figure in the night sky and her slave as Jupiter which is considered in that time as a normal and small figure as all planets and stars (which refer to all women in comparison to herself)

@Chiratalg 2 күн бұрын

Who is the singer at the start!!!!!

@InVinoVeratas 27 күн бұрын

I don't know much about the Moors, than through the game "Age of Empires", specifically "El Cid Spanish campaign" one of my most favorite campaigns. Been years since I played it, so i can't remember much. Interesting culture around the Moors and native Iberian populous, even in that game they spoke specifically how the different cultures worked together in the Moorish culture and side of Spain, compared to how Christian spain was very much a top to down structure society, where the King was absolute wnd everyone else had less and less rights.

@Benito-lr8mz 26 күн бұрын

RECONQUISTA .

@N.N.O.U. 26 күн бұрын

Why not get age of empires 2 DE, I need more ppl that are my noob level to play with me

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

@@Benito-lr8mzthe reconquesta never happened. It is only a regular conquesta or conquest by people who had no right or business taking over Al-Andalus.

@mingfanzhang8927 26 күн бұрын

😊❤😊❤😊

@HaroldHivart 25 күн бұрын

I've got one question : does your channel is called "Let's talk religion" or "let's talk islam" ?? 🤔

@LetsTalkReligion 25 күн бұрын

It is called Let's Talk Religion

@HaroldHivart 25 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion You talk a lot about islam that's why i asked the question..

@LetsTalkReligion 25 күн бұрын

@@HaroldHivart This video is not about Islam

@Ziad3195 25 күн бұрын

What an idiotic comment. Not only is this video not about Islam, he has many videos that talk about all kinds of relegion and relegious-related things. Even if his channel was just about Islam, the name "Let's Talk Relegion" would still be appropriate.

@Askarcher 20 күн бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligiondon’t listen to them, not everybody in this world is worth listening to

@arifahmed2403 23 күн бұрын

Ibn Rushd was spot on

@rajawibisono7528 26 күн бұрын

I need tv series or drama anime for wallada life

@madhegelian4816 25 күн бұрын

there is an Arabic series talking about the taifa period in al-Andalus named "Muluk al-Tawā'if" and a big part of it is talking about Ibn Zaydun political life and his relationship with Wallada.

@waelian 24 күн бұрын

Great video but the two Arabic verses are pronounced wrong. E.g. Yuhsabna, yasudduhunna

@abooswalehmosafeer173 23 күн бұрын

Alhamdoollillah I really enjoyed that.Watching the beautiful gardens fountains sculptures etc inspire a feeling in me that Earth is a taste of Jannat itself.Also it is encouraging how Wallada was able to express herself which would really delight our modern day feminists.The very Freudian symbolic palm tree is very apt as the banana tree is in India.

@samwill7259 27 күн бұрын

If a woman is creating anger in the male authority figures around her That can only mean she's doing everything right

@ixxrossorxxi6291 26 күн бұрын

That's one sick ''logic''.

@saimbhat6243 26 күн бұрын

I mean COME ON!!!!!!! You are not even presenting an argument here. And what exactly is your definition of things being right and wrong? Historically, there are more men than women who have been opposed by other men. Women and men are, and should be subject to the same standard of right and wrong. The problem of the modern Muslim world is that onus is put on women to preserve traditions and morality, while as men are let free to live as unleashed p!gs.

@samwill7259 26 күн бұрын

@@ixxrossorxxi6291 Stands up to historical scrutiny

@reconscout2238 26 күн бұрын

No it doesnt generally women are not rational as men

@123Jim91 25 күн бұрын

@@samwill7259Not really no. Besides you know women with power are as bad as men. It is gender stereotypes and kinda pedestal mentality to...attribute sainthood to women. In fact, one can connect it to how involuntarily celibate guys think, the shattered image of an angel causing bitterness. I accept women are human and as humans are as bad as any human male even if in more subtle ways(though women are also more violent than you know, if they know they can get away with it, while men are less worried about consequences on average which is why men have higher rates of causing our own lack of life due to depression.)