Lew Alcindor ( Kareem Abdul Jabbar ) & The 1963 All-American Basketball Team

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goo.gl/I0J5a - The 1963 All-American High School Basketball Team appearing on The Ed Sullivan Show on March 31, 1963. The team included Lew Alcindor ( Kareem Abdul Jabbar ), Bob Lewis, Edgar Lacy, Ron Sepic, & Ian Morrison.
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@dalmain77
@dalmain77 13 жыл бұрын
Kareem looks so nervous. This is great.
@jimfoley8014
@jimfoley8014 5 жыл бұрын
7’ at age 15 will make you self conscious.
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimfoley8014 And on top of that, appearing on national TV for the first time.
@_SayitAintSo
@_SayitAintSo 4 ай бұрын
In 1963 at that
@harmonicdissent
@harmonicdissent 3 жыл бұрын
it’s kind of cool to see Kareem in those days. I could imagine folks calling him a nice kid. It’s not so hard to believe that since then he became a wonderful person. He’s above and beyond basketball while also giving us a reason to love the game.
@62scotty1
@62scotty1 4 жыл бұрын
RIP Ron Sepic
@ddenuci
@ddenuci 13 жыл бұрын
Edgar Lacey played with Lew Alcindor at UCLA. Edgar was the guy assigned to cover Elvin Hayes in the "Game of the Century" between UCLA and Houston at the Astrodome in '68. But, after Hayes got off to a hot start, Lacey was pulled from the game, and played only 13 minutes. After that, he was upset with Coach John Wooden. He hurt his knee at some point during his UCLA career, but he did wind up playing one season for LA Stars in ABA.
@mikebowsr351511
@mikebowsr351511 6 жыл бұрын
John thanks for this info.👍
@nancyjordan758
@nancyjordan758 5 жыл бұрын
Hello,I am the favorite niece of Edgar Lacy. I keep reading that he got a law degree. To my knowledge he did not, but I will have to do some research. He finished his career at UCLA, but as he would say, "it took me 4 (four) years and 2 (two) summer schools." He may have thought about law school, but he nor my family NEVER mentioned him attending nor graduating from law school and they told me everything.I am sad and still cry for him as he passed away too soon and it was a BLOW to my family. I am only writing this to give some honest insight. I know about his relationship with the Kareem. They were very good friends for years and he got him to come to LA from New York. I read Giant Steps, a book written by Kareem. My uncle is mentioned in the book.As for the "Wooden problem" as I guess it is the best way to put it, he would never say anything about him or at least I do not want to repeat anything he said or I may have picked upon (from his mannerisms). I attended UCLA (which was against his will-he was a surrogate father to me and I took his advice seriously). I still have to finish my education and I am not sure if it will be at UCLA or not, but I should have attended another school, initially.By the way, it is a known fact amongst those closest to him that many of the Lakers and very well known basketball players and many other athletes and such knew him, he was very popular and gifted. He was a very nice man.I nor my family want any replies here. Thanks for knowing him or a little bit about him.
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
@@nancyjordan758 "I attended UCLA (which was against his will-he was a surrogate father to me and I took his advice seriously)" I know you said that you didn't want replies, so if you don't answer I understand. But this sentence you wrote sounds very contradictory.
@ChewyVX
@ChewyVX 12 жыл бұрын
7' at 15... Fucking giant...
@garrythomaz743
@garrythomaz743 3 жыл бұрын
A Truly Genuine Smile From Alcindor
@anodyne57
@anodyne57 Жыл бұрын
Kareem's a very genuine guy...one of the most thoughtful pro athletes I can recall.
@jayalan2223
@jayalan2223 3 жыл бұрын
RIP Dr Ron Sepic DDS I only him well enough to say hi to him.
@douglassepic9030
@douglassepic9030 Жыл бұрын
My uncle was truly a great guy who is truly missed. He fought Non Hodgkins lymphoma for 3 years before passing.
@ddenuci
@ddenuci 13 жыл бұрын
Ron Sepic was heavily recruited for basketball and football during his Uniontown (PA) high school days. He decided on Ohio State and basketball, where he played both forward and guard. He was the Buckeyes captain in '67 and tallied 1,107 points in 72 games for a 15.4ppg ave. The Redskins drafted him in football, even though he did not play in college. The Royals also drafted him and he made the final cut to 6 rookies. He wound up going to dental school.
@KSmall109CAB
@KSmall109CAB 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. So Sepic played in training camp/the exhibition season with the likes of Oscar Robertson, Jerry Lucas, and Adrian Smith?
@ddenuci
@ddenuci 4 жыл бұрын
@@KSmall109CAB After reading your message and looking at another post here, I see that Ron Sepic passed away a few weeks ago (Mar'20). RIP. I don't know if Ron ever played in camp with the Royal greats that you mention. It may have just been a rookie camp. It looks like he passed on the opportunity to play pro, and instead enrolled in dental school, from which he graduated in 1971. I did read an article that quoted Sepic "I told the Royals if I get a no-cut contract I'd play pro basketball and I was going to give up a year of dental school. They said no to the no-cut contract and I said I'm going to dental school". The Royals drafted Sepic in the 9th round (97th pick overall) so it was a longshot that he would make the team. Other notables selected by the Royals in the '67 draft include: Mel Daniels & Louie Dampier, both of whom decided to play for the ABA and went on to have great careers in that league. The Royals drafted 17 players in that '67 draft. The 67-68 roster shows 4 rookies and of those, Jim Fox went on to have the most prolific NBA career.
@kenpachiclay11
@kenpachiclay11 10 жыл бұрын
Kareem looks real young
@JAWrightonline
@JAWrightonline 5 жыл бұрын
Ummmm....He was 15.
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
How would you expect him to look at 15? Male pattern baldness with a salt and pepper goatee?
@steelcody36
@steelcody36 4 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to report that Ron has passed away. He’s a relative.
@quentinpresley2008
@quentinpresley2008 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for your loss
@timhoward5
@timhoward5 Жыл бұрын
Who?
@Skyhookking
@Skyhookking 2 ай бұрын
@@timhoward5I have no idea
@kingsportvol1
@kingsportvol1 12 жыл бұрын
This is so cool. Ian Morrison was my middle school coach in Kingsport TN.
@chocboiwonda6810
@chocboiwonda6810 6 жыл бұрын
Greg McClellan did you know who he was then?
@jimfoley8014
@jimfoley8014 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool.
@nelsonmcatee3721
@nelsonmcatee3721 2 жыл бұрын
Ron Sepic looks like a grown man. I was in 5th grade then. My freshman year in high school, Greg Starrick from Marion Illinois was a first team Parade All American. He scored 70 points in one game. Ed Sullivan came to my town to watch our game with Marion and Starrick. He sat just a few seats away from me.
@ddenuci
@ddenuci 13 жыл бұрын
Bobby Lewis was the 39th overall pick in the 1967 NBA draft, and played 3 seasons with the Warriors and 1 with the Cavs. He had a great college career at North Carolina, where he teamed with Larry Miller. Lewis scored 49 points against Florida State in a 115-80 win, which I believe is still a UNC school record. That's impressive when you consider the group that has played at UNC. UNC made it to the 1967 Final Four, but lost to Dayton.
@freddiegibbs101
@freddiegibbs101 13 жыл бұрын
That is some crazy shit, 47 years ago, it's like a whole new world.
@Adyman182
@Adyman182 4 жыл бұрын
56 now....
@matt99999
@matt99999 4 жыл бұрын
Especially now more then ever
@Gilboyy7
@Gilboyy7 3 жыл бұрын
@@Adyman182 57 now...
@danieldavis2487
@danieldavis2487 9 ай бұрын
@@Gilboyy7 make it 59!
@iiMaarkxx
@iiMaarkxx 13 жыл бұрын
15 y.o and that tall, amazing..
@bishlap
@bishlap 6 жыл бұрын
that's the first and last time Lew/Kareem kind of smiled.
@paoloalcantara2465
@paoloalcantara2465 Жыл бұрын
The tall guy on the left seems to have potential to make it to the big league for sure 😁
@lowpants94
@lowpants94 9 жыл бұрын
Edgar lacy did get his Law Degree, I was a big fan of his. Its nice to see other ask about Edgar and his life. the 1965 ncaa title that ucla won was due to Edgar's Great play, even though Gail goodrich got 42 its. Edgar play limited Bill Buntin from the boards and That was HUGH in the Bruins win
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
I read that he quit playing for UCLA in his senior season after the famous 1968 "game of the century" between the Bruins and Houston, in which UCLA lost its first game during the Alicindor era. Wooden took Lacy out after 11 minutes of the game because he thought Edgar wasn't trying hard enough. Lacy, who never cared for Wooden to begin with, became enraged over being benched and a couple days later resigned from the team.
@stever1791
@stever1791 3 жыл бұрын
@@lwmson this is correct Joe. I wish Edgar would have gone to the NBA when the Celtics and Red Auerbach drafted him after his junior year, He redshirted 1 year from an injury. But he came back to play another year , then quit that year, My feelingf are the Lew Alcindor talked him into playing another year - they were good frienda at this time.
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
@@stever1791 What's interesting about him is that he was probably the only athlete to play his entire athletic career in one city. He played H.S ball in L.A, college ball at UCLA, and in the pros, he played in the ABA for the L.A. Clippers.
@stever1791
@stever1791 3 жыл бұрын
@@lwmson Yes thats all true
@ernestperryjr
@ernestperryjr 13 жыл бұрын
SIMMONS, DANGIT!...lolololololol Kareem was huge!
@todus24
@todus24 13 жыл бұрын
Lew looks so comfortable up there - who could have guessed that he'd dislike the limelight?
@stuartperry8141
@stuartperry8141 6 жыл бұрын
Who said that he disliked the limelight? He made several movies when he was still playing. He was radical and did not kiss ass.
@jimfoley8014
@jimfoley8014 5 жыл бұрын
Radical what?
@ShaunPhillipsAV
@ShaunPhillipsAV 5 жыл бұрын
@@stuartperry8141 True. But he always was a bit uncomfortable in the interviews and things like that.
@cubswin3838
@cubswin3838 3 жыл бұрын
7 foot, one-half inch. He was still growing.
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
But he would only grow an inch and a half more.
@Wassupdun
@Wassupdun 13 жыл бұрын
Dang Kareem was 15 y/o! Wow!
@kincamell2
@kincamell2 2 жыл бұрын
Heavy
@Zaymane808
@Zaymane808 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if kareem was born in todays era of hoops he would be a great power forward💯
@jmweed1861
@jmweed1861 4 жыл бұрын
And two, lew Alcindor and edgar Lacy would play together at UCLA
@cazzyr9518
@cazzyr9518 11 жыл бұрын
Yes Edgar did pass away in March of 2011. Very good p;ayer for the '65 Championship team. And Yes he got his Law degree. Sorry I don't know much else.
@FrankLee-qd3hy
@FrankLee-qd3hy 5 жыл бұрын
Cazzy Russell... An amazing basketball talent and student of the game then teacher of the game. #1 overall pick out of Michigan 1966... massive NBA career... Massive coaching career... AND a former Warrior! You are one of the best basketball players to ever play the game in my humble opinion. Been a Cazzy Russell fan and a Warriors fan ever since I can remember. Thanks for the memories Mr. Russell if this is indeed you. 👍🏀
@ddenuci
@ddenuci 13 жыл бұрын
Ian Morrison, while a junior at St Petersburg high school, led the nation in scoring with a 37ppg ave. He followed that up with a 36ppg ave the following year. He score 63 points in a game in 1962 and 68 in 1963. He shot 62% from the field and 93% from the line during his hs career. Of the five players selected by Parade, Morrison was the player of the year. He joined Bobby Lewis at UNC. He was also an outstanding pitcher for UNC.
@roymerritt6992
@roymerritt6992 4 жыл бұрын
I very well remember Robert Lewis from Washington the young man standing next to Alcindor (Kareem) because he later was recruited and played for Dean Smith who became the head coach of the UNC Tar Heels in 1961 in the wake of a series of scandals that had rocked the ACC and perhaps one of the reasons Coach Frank McGuire to leave college basketball to coach in the pro ranks, specifically Wilt Chamberlain in Philadelphia. Bob Lewis as he was known called at Carolina along with the great Larry Miller and Billy Cunningham became the first real top high school players to come to UNC and helped transform Dean into perhaps the greatest tactician of the sport. Lewis still holds the scoring record for an individual game at UNC scoring 49 points once in a game against Florida State. In 1968 the ACC began having graduated all stars from each participating school in the conference to travel around the high schools in my home state of North Carolina and other states where the universities are located and play exhibition games before the student bodies of those high schools and other local residents. '68 was my senior year in high school and I watched the game they played at my high school gym. It featured some of the greats of that era one of them being Lewis who had graduated a few years before. I remember he arrived late to the game and had a beatiful blonde on his arm. The game we watched was a very competitive one and the leading scorer for it was Larry Brown an assistant coach at Carolina who would play in the ABA and later would become the famous coach he is today.
@anodyne57
@anodyne57 Жыл бұрын
Another Dean Smith blue chip?..Yep, the short guy (6'2") in the middle, Ian Morrison, who was actually 1963 Player of the Year because of his high scoring average. Not sure why, but after 2 years, he transferred from Carolina to Fla. State, and then never pursued playing in the pros.
@jimfoley8014
@jimfoley8014 5 жыл бұрын
My friend told me his Jewish Granddad would was a big fan of the “Ed Soloman Shoe. I love America.
@leighburton832
@leighburton832 6 жыл бұрын
Lew Alcindor was 7'0 at 15? How many other 7'0 15 year olds are out there?
@jamesvickers9476
@jamesvickers9476 5 жыл бұрын
Leigh Burton... go to the Watusi tribe in Africa...
@ianjansen999
@ianjansen999 4 жыл бұрын
kareem was one of the few
@waldolydecker8118
@waldolydecker8118 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesvickers9476 - "how many?"
@prmathies
@prmathies 13 жыл бұрын
Jaaaaaaash Freeman!
@ddenuci
@ddenuci 13 жыл бұрын
@ddenuci Just re-read my copy of "They Call Me Coach" by John Wooden. In this book, Wooden writes "But the Astrodome ended our streak of wins and, much to my concern, the playing career at UCLA of Edgar Lacey". Apparently, Lacey was not following the coach's directions on how to defend Hayes so Wooden benched him. Then, Wooden had the impression that Lacey did not want to go back into the game and made some postgame comments to that effect. Lacey then quit the team.
@anodyne57
@anodyne57 Жыл бұрын
I mean, who does that on a Wooden team?
@ddenuci
@ddenuci Жыл бұрын
@@anodyne57 This excerpt appeared in a newspaper article (Press-Telegram 4/5/2011) on Lacey's funeral and it's regarding the UCLA/Houston game in the Astrodome: The matchup between the top two teams in the Associated Press poll was the first regular-season college basketball game to be televised nationwide in prime time and is credited with boosting the sport’s popularity. Lacey quit the team three days later, telling the Los Angeles Times “I’ve never enjoyed playing for that man,” referring to coach John Wooden. “(The Houston game) was the last straw,” Lacey said. “It all started in my sophomore year when he tried to change the mechanics of my shooting. “And now I have no one to blame but myself for staying this long. He has sent people by to persuade me to reconsider, but I have nothing to reconsider. I’m glad I’m getting out now while I still have some of my pride, my sanity and my self-esteem left.” Wooden told The Times he thought Lacey should return to the team. “I have never said anything but that he’s the best forward we have,” Wooden said. “I wish he’d think it over. Regardless of how he feels about me, I do care about him.”
@lwmson
@lwmson Жыл бұрын
The measurements can't be accurate The guy in the middle, who was said to be 6'2, is a lot shorter than the guy to the left who was announced at 6'3
@stever1791
@stever1791 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Nancy , Your uncle was one of my favorite players in college basketball history. I watched him in the 1965 title game against Cazzie Russell and Michigan. He really played well and along with Gail Goodrich was a key force to the win. Then I lost track of him ( thats the year he got a leg injusry and sat out for a medical redshirt ). Then the following year he is playing again and doing real well with Lew Alcindor. I saw the game of the century vs Houston and Elvin Hayes. Edgar didnt get much of a chance that night to play - Wooden took him out early and I was relly mad at Wooden. Edga was a real fine player and a nice guy ( Bill Walton and I talked about Edgar in 2011 at the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield , Mass. anyhow Please know your uncle had Many fans and we were sorry to hear of his passing - On some other UCLA basketball U tube videos, I alwasy mention him Good luck and Best Wishes to ou
@Hoching03
@Hoching03 11 жыл бұрын
Never heard of the other 4 guys.
@jmweed1861
@jmweed1861 4 жыл бұрын
Lacy played with Lew Alcindor at UCLA
@lwmson
@lwmson 3 жыл бұрын
Bob Lewis went on to become a one of Dean Smith's first basketball stars at UNC. But he had a mediocre career as a professional, playing only several years in the NBA.
@waldolydecker8118
@waldolydecker8118 Жыл бұрын
Just goes to show you how difficult becoming an all-time great really is. Even for folks on the trajectory for greatness at an early age, it still takes a lot of hard work for an awfully long time, some luck, and a lot of endurance to achieve it. When you realize most All-Americans never make it big, you can figure the chance a regular player has.
@douglassepic9030
@douglassepic9030 Жыл бұрын
​​@@waldolydecker8118 My uncle, Ron Sepic, went on to play college hoops at Ohio State. He was drafted by the Cincinnati Royals (NBA team) and the Washington Redskins (NFL) - even though he never played college football. He opted to go to dental school and became a successful orthodontist. There were no guarantees in pro sports back then (today there are no-cut contracts), and the money wasn't what it is today.
@waldolydecker8118
@waldolydecker8118 Жыл бұрын
@@douglassepic9030 - very true...athletes had no status back then; the owners had total control and total profits...fortunately, that has been legally corrected.
@MCO18
@MCO18 9 жыл бұрын
Hey, I know him! It's Kareem Abdul Jabbar! He played basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers!
@charlieparish1744
@charlieparish1744 7 жыл бұрын
no duh
@catluong9660
@catluong9660 4 жыл бұрын
@Roger Martin The jokes: ..... Everybody: contradict each others.
@josephtan7264
@josephtan7264 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, son, but you must have been confused with someone else. his name is Roger Murdock. he’s a co-pilot.
@brianarbenz1329
@brianarbenz1329 2 жыл бұрын
I thought he was the greatest of the 5 on this show, but my dad said…
@NewSc2
@NewSc2 13 жыл бұрын
KAAAAAAAAAHNNNNNN!!
@jayy1530
@jayy1530 5 жыл бұрын
Kareem Abdul jabber would be a perfect fit with somebody like Larry bird or not mj he is a little young tho
@JMoran14
@JMoran14 13 жыл бұрын
Simmons!
@paoloalcantara2465
@paoloalcantara2465 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Ben S.
@publicatdamagnificen
@publicatdamagnificen 12 жыл бұрын
@freddiegibbs101 Trust me, it WAS a completely different world. I was a kid at the time, but things were just different: People were more formal, had better manners, and weren't as laid back and relaxed as we are. On the other hand, blacks were treated like shit, as were women. Notice how the white players got a bigger applause than Jabbar & Lacy? That was the mindset back then!
@rccobain512
@rccobain512 3 жыл бұрын
They look like 30+ years old
@mcentepede
@mcentepede 13 жыл бұрын
goddam...7 feet tall at 15 years old...
@ShaquilleOatmeal849
@ShaquilleOatmeal849 4 жыл бұрын
Why do they look held at gun point to be there 😂
@sgrroiii
@sgrroiii 13 жыл бұрын
Was there a flood in the studio ?
@anthonymuex7886
@anthonymuex7886 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@theriotfish
@theriotfish 13 жыл бұрын
Simmons
@ClashesYt
@ClashesYt 4 ай бұрын
15 man wtf
@khepraanu8291
@khepraanu8291 2 жыл бұрын
0:22 That second kid they introduced looks like a 40 year old man...whatever league he played in should have double checked his birth certificate.
@OneHundredPoints
@OneHundredPoints 12 жыл бұрын
@publicatdamagnificen Wow, you're right, that sucks soooooooooo much. One of the worst things ever in America, glad that now is no like that anymore.
@eduardorego3499
@eduardorego3499 3 жыл бұрын
Very funny Bruce Lee fighting Kareem Abdul Jabbar. A mouse with a giraffe
@waldolydecker8118
@waldolydecker8118 Жыл бұрын
If Lee is a mouse, you'd be his cheese
@youtuber3328
@youtuber3328 Жыл бұрын
please tell me why the 1980 1982 and 1987 finals mvp's didn't get awarded to kareem abdul-jabbar
@waldolydecker8118
@waldolydecker8118 Жыл бұрын
you've got access to the internet....look it up and tell yourself
@youtuber3328
@youtuber3328 Жыл бұрын
@@waldolydecker8118 someone told me that the media was biased towards magic johnson who's passing didn't equal the scoring from kareem abdul-jabbar
@waldolydecker8118
@waldolydecker8118 Жыл бұрын
@@youtuber3328 OK, well in 1980 the MVP could have gone to Magic or Kareem. The 1980 writers decided to give the award to Magic- he quarterbacked the team and orchestrated the offense, but also nearly averaging a triple-double for all 6 games...he did more than just "passing." In the game 6 final game, Kareem was injured and did not play. Magic started at center for Kareem and during the game played ALL FIVE positions to close out the title. His game 6 stat line was something like 42-15-7, playing 47 of the 48 game minutes. Nobody can argue Magic didn't earn the 1980 Finals MVP
@youtuber3328
@youtuber3328 Жыл бұрын
@@waldolydecker8118that's one game and in the 1980 finals in the five games he played 33 something points and 12 something rebounds per game were averaged by kareem abdul-jabbar
@youtuber3328
@youtuber3328 Жыл бұрын
@@waldolydecker8118 in the 1988 playoffs the elite years were officially over for kareem abdul-jabbar but MOST IMPORTANTLY in the 1980's the best individual lakers stats went in this EXACT order #1 the scoring from kareem abdul-jabbar #2 passing from magic johnson #3 rebounding from kareem abdul-jabbar
@29feliss
@29feliss 11 жыл бұрын
does anyone know that Lacy has died...and how. Can't find anything about his private life...did he get his law degree?
@hoverboard6773
@hoverboard6773 3 жыл бұрын
if im gonna play in nba at 1960s i would rather be undrafted lol
@catcountry0099
@catcountry0099 3 жыл бұрын
Thankfully for him he played in the 70s and 80s
@iadf
@iadf 13 жыл бұрын
@reno93535 I'm surpriZZZed you can't spell surprised
@kennethmorgan7957
@kennethmorgan7957 Жыл бұрын
And the two black guys get lackluster applause, just a sign of the times.................
@knicks447
@knicks447 13 жыл бұрын
thumb up if simmons sent u
@kennygriff24
@kennygriff24 13 жыл бұрын
simmons
@lowpants94
@lowpants94 6 жыл бұрын
Wooden never talked about Edgar again, after he left the team in '68. Shame on you coach, this young man needed more direction and you only cared about Wins
@nonrepublicrat
@nonrepublicrat 5 жыл бұрын
how do you know whether or not wooden offered to give him direction when he needed it? of course you do not know any such thing. your ignorant lies about others are not appreciated. shame on YOU, asshole.
@stever1791
@stever1791 5 жыл бұрын
@@nonrepublicrat Your a Clown - Wooden was a fraud. Sam Gilbert paid all the players
@stever1791
@stever1791 4 жыл бұрын
@@nonrepublicrat I want to tell you, that your the AssHole
@stever1791
@stever1791 3 жыл бұрын
@@nonrepublicrat just want to say again , Your a Jerkoff and an Asshole
@anodyne57
@anodyne57 Жыл бұрын
Well, there's only so much time the other players, and the fans, and the school has for "special cases." Winning sort of IS the thing. But don't fool yourself, all Wooden's players-who bought into the system, won with respect and integrity. Alcindor was near the top of the list in those respects, along with Bill Walton and all the rest.
@MrFirstdance2000
@MrFirstdance2000 5 жыл бұрын
Before angry and islam took over. Great smile!
@Iambriangregory
@Iambriangregory 2 жыл бұрын
I think your meaning before he woke up to the condition of the world which would make any thinking person angry are you thinking? Doesn't seem so
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