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@LexClips
@LexClips 9 ай бұрын
Full podcast episode: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qJqnf7t_3srelY0.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzfaq.info Guest bio: John Mearsheimer is an international relations scholar at University of Chicago. He is one of the most influential and controversial thinkers in the world on the topics of war and power.
@859902
@859902 9 ай бұрын
He is totally overrated
@DenisDamulira23
@DenisDamulira23 9 ай бұрын
They want all the land promised to them between the Jordan river and Medterrenian sea but the real question who is this god? is he the creator of all? No it's Enlil the famous annunaki who also caused the flood to try and wipe out humanity because we were multiplying so fast and making alot of "noise" for him. He also would occasionally realease a bunch of diseases from his advanced genetic labs to cut down the human population. The true God doesn't want anyone killing a fellow human for material gain (Land is materialistic). Most of the world is worshipping a bunch of Aliens and they think it's God. Allah is Amun RA aka Murduk (hence why many say Amen after every prayer), Yaweah is Enlil, The Serpent is ENKI because he was always giving humans wisdom. ENKI is the one that also told "Noah" to make an Ark to save himself since Noah was his son from an earthly woman. These same beings are called different names in europe, Africa, south America etc. We're still working with them today and they're out there mining the rings of Saturn as the Japanese observed. Humanity needs to wake up and realize a powerful God would make sure everyone is on the same page spiritually yet we're so divided meaning something went wrong in the past. No one deserves to be killed just like that Israeli or palestinian. We must wake up to the truth and understand our past so as to create a better future for the next generations.
@markjones781
@markjones781 9 ай бұрын
It is so different listening to Lex respectfully let his guest do all the talking. Old late night television used to be just like this.
@BlueJays-pc6fp
@BlueJays-pc6fp 9 ай бұрын
Because his guest is an actual intellectual
@MrTsukudu
@MrTsukudu 8 ай бұрын
That was back in the days before they were only about propaganda and entertainment
@rocerist
@rocerist 8 ай бұрын
​@@MrTsukuduwe used to wonder and ask questions about topics, now we want people to reenforce our opinions. it's easier
@soumias04
@soumias04 8 ай бұрын
Think about hysteric pierce morgan🤢
@yaosteen
@yaosteen 9 ай бұрын
Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitism. Saying any nation of people shouldn’t have a nation state in their homeland is bigotry against that nation. Hence, a 2-state solution is indeed the only possible solution, as the root of this is two nations of people sharing a geographic homeland. That said, saying Israelis aren’t interested in a 2-state solution seems like a massive oversimplification. From what I’ve seen, people just don’t believe it is possible. Notice the difference in the results of surveys asking if they think it is feasible vs asking if they would support a two-state solutions. You see wide variances, on the Palestinian side as well, based on how you ask the question. I personally hope this war combined with the negotiations with Saudi Arabia may mean there is an open window for people to be shaken into a new world view and for leadership to change on both sides. In order for there to be a 2-state solution, there needs to be hope that one could exist. Hamas has no such desire, Netanyahu cares about staying in power above all else, and the world has failed to give either side hope or vision for such a future.
@jrew7010
@jrew7010 8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Israelis not being interested in a two-state solution is an oversimplification. What Netanyahu's party has become is the result of decades of openly stating it's desire to do everything it can to eliminate the possibility of a two-state solution.
@aservantinbabylon
@aservantinbabylon 8 ай бұрын
Anti semitism is an invented, fake concept. Joos aren't like throughout history because of their behavior, not some "mind virus ". Just like gypsies aren't liked for their anti social behavior. These abrasive people need to leave the land that they stole, nothing more, nothing less.
@nickmccarter2395
@nickmccarter2395 8 ай бұрын
​@@jrew7010That doesn't mean it's not an oversimplification. When have the Palestinians desired a 2 state solution? If one side has never wanted it in 50+ years, it's understandable that the other could grow weary of it.
@jrew7010
@jrew7010 8 ай бұрын
@@nickmccarter2395 Are you trolling me or are you serious?
@bendaallan3347
@bendaallan3347 8 ай бұрын
"antiSemitism" is just a bark they use to dodge accountability. Really couldn't care less until then.
@SK-ns6sl
@SK-ns6sl 9 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your interviews Lex. Please call Norman Finkelstein for an interview
@amellowblue
@amellowblue 8 ай бұрын
Yes, yes, and yes
@JanLie19
@JanLie19 9 ай бұрын
Very good episode Mr Lex , I like your “clips” of 1 hour . Keep on the great work you do. Very inspiring !
@Musafeer360
@Musafeer360 8 ай бұрын
John Mearsheimer... I can listen to him for hours! He's an encyclopedia of knowledge. Full admiration. By the way I just bought your book on Amazon. I hope Lex will invite him often. Thank you for this wonderful podcast. Both of you. 🙏🏽💯
@hossamgebeily
@hossamgebeily 7 ай бұрын
How was the book?
@struthsayer
@struthsayer 9 ай бұрын
suspected throughout, due to his lines of questioning, but Lex proved at the end of this vid that he totally swallowed Jared Kushner's wordsmithed sales pitch for his geo-trumping abraham accords ..... and also that Lex keeps forgetting just how close the relationship (and the settlements escalation principle) is between jared and evil bibi.
@kb_100
@kb_100 9 ай бұрын
One look at Kushner's map is enough to know how unserious he is. The map was Netanyahu's and the settlers' wet dream.
@metwalymagdy264
@metwalymagdy264 8 ай бұрын
Sometimes Lex is too naive/optimistic to see the truth or just didn't do enough independant research and I don't blame him. He's giving people from diverse backgrounds a platform to speak, then people have to decide for themselves.
@struthsayer
@struthsayer 8 ай бұрын
@@metwalymagdy264 maybe ... but Lexx's line of questioning was distinctly 'kushner-flavoured' and led the conversation in a particular slant.
@DwynAgGaire
@DwynAgGaire 9 ай бұрын
Lex my man, I love learning with you!! Keep up the good work. John M your a legend, I struggle to find common ground with you on international relations philosophy sometimes but your one of the good ones!
@Berretotube
@Berretotube 9 ай бұрын
Is Israel now trying to entirely disappear any semblance of what used to be Palestine? 😢
@samiroumi6455
@samiroumi6455 9 ай бұрын
Yes
@HappyG1lm0re
@HappyG1lm0re 9 ай бұрын
Is that a bad thing?
@BarnoBarno-jp2ks
@BarnoBarno-jp2ks 9 ай бұрын
@@HappyG1lm0re jew
@Berretotube
@Berretotube 9 ай бұрын
@@HappyG1lm0re You’re asking if genocide is a bad thing? R u serious?
@goa93
@goa93 9 ай бұрын
What you mean "used to"? What Palestine?
@swinbot
@swinbot 9 ай бұрын
Please please dear God have on Dr. Prof. Norman Finkelstein!! Thank you.
@vrsimulo1234
@vrsimulo1234 9 ай бұрын
@Juber1
@Juber1 8 ай бұрын
This guy has all the same theories as Norman. All Israel's fault, Hamas isn't so bad, etc. Not sure we need more of the same
@barc533
@barc533 8 ай бұрын
@@Juber1 that's not their view. their view is, if no country in the world is willing to advocate for Palestinian rights, the civilians have no choice but Hamas.
@wade2bosh
@wade2bosh 8 ай бұрын
He’s a psychopath
@barc533
@barc533 8 ай бұрын
@@wade2bosh he’s logical and you don’t like that
@xitlallicommentstoday2169
@xitlallicommentstoday2169 9 ай бұрын
Netanyahu is not the great Israeli leader Lex Friedman is looking for to help Israel move forward. I agree with Mearsheimer that the Israelis should have taken the time to really think through how they needed to respond to Hamas.
@burnrubber4431
@burnrubber4431 8 ай бұрын
Please listen to this man. Clear, balanced, lateral consideration of the issues. A breath of fresh air.
@arimoff
@arimoff 8 ай бұрын
If he did not mention the root cause of this conflict, islam. He didn't really say anything important
@pureheroin9902
@pureheroin9902 8 ай бұрын
​@@arimoffRoot cause is Zionism.
@NobuhikuObayashi
@NobuhikuObayashi 6 ай бұрын
@@arimofflol the globe laughs at you
@arimoff
@arimoff 6 ай бұрын
@@NobuhikuObayashi The globe? Typical islamic arrogance and ignorance...thinking they own the world
@ChrisSaad
@ChrisSaad 9 ай бұрын
This conversation is everything. It neatly and accurately encapsulates the entire issue.
@JPKatz123
@JPKatz123 9 ай бұрын
Is terribly misleading actually. Arafat stle billions from the peace process. Google it.
@mammuchan8923
@mammuchan8923 9 ай бұрын
Since this war began, I have been looking for someone whose words make sense , and this is the first time I have found any.
@snesleywipessqueegeeservices
@snesleywipessqueegeeservices 9 ай бұрын
Guys...it's 'sliver' not 'slither' though there sure are snakes at play in this evil.
@aaronely759
@aaronely759 8 ай бұрын
AIPAC needs to register as a foreign agent. Its fundamentally inconsistent that China and Russia need to register while they dont.
@JJ-rp5ck
@JJ-rp5ck 9 ай бұрын
Long ass clip
@zombiehampster1397
@zombiehampster1397 9 ай бұрын
It's needed for a complicated subject. This is kind of why corporate media fails in correctly addressing subjects.
@luisclaudiodaltro4064
@luisclaudiodaltro4064 8 ай бұрын
How to do it in a surgical way if the rockets come from hospitals?
@emissary_kyle
@emissary_kyle 9 ай бұрын
It's an estimated 12K at this point. Apparently only about 1200 are actually Hamas operatives. Peace is virtually untenable at this point. Hamas wouldn't exist w/o the last 70yrs to be fair. This isn't a black and white issue though, atrocities abound here.
@t-mac1236
@t-mac1236 9 ай бұрын
well said!
@MH-et5sn
@MH-et5sn 9 ай бұрын
Yes, they would. Isis exists. Al Qaeda existed. Those were outside of this area just so you know. ALL JIHADISTS.
@mariahspapaya
@mariahspapaya 9 ай бұрын
Didn’t the Palestinians elect Hamas as their leaders out of desperation for some leadership? Correct me if I’m wrong.
@emissary_kyle
@emissary_kyle 9 ай бұрын
@@mariahspapaya Election @ at the point of a gun, maybe. The people clearly didn't pick the right leadership; are the Palestinians truly in a position to peacefully choose otherwise?
@Juber1
@Juber1 8 ай бұрын
Curious, Where'd you get the 1200 out of 12K number?
@MarceloReis1
@MarceloReis1 8 ай бұрын
No Friedman... There's nothing complicated about it. Being complicated is part of the argument from those that don't want a solution.
@aservantinbabylon
@aservantinbabylon 8 ай бұрын
Well said. Just another tribe member.
@StoicElliot
@StoicElliot 8 ай бұрын
Yes it is not complicated, Israel is a terrorist colonial ethnostate. You are right.
@michaelw.8331
@michaelw.8331 8 ай бұрын
For anyone who wants to know who the "lobby" is, Its a think tank named WINEP. And there are some gross conflicts of interest between members and the Israeli government.
@IncanTek24
@IncanTek24 8 ай бұрын
AIPAC
@leonscott543
@leonscott543 8 ай бұрын
Norm Finkelstein must be the next guest
@justatiger6268
@justatiger6268 8 ай бұрын
I love Mirscheimer, but he is DEAD wrong on this. A two state solution died a long time ago. Netanyahu and his predecessors made sure of that. "Israel can either be a Jewish state or a democracy, can't be both." John Kerry
@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG
@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG 9 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. Anti-Semitism has been broadly overused. It doesn’t and shouldn’t excuse Jews or Israelis from Objective criticisms from the World. Not just criticisms from the United States.
@NomadAAli
@NomadAAli 9 ай бұрын
Brilliant guest and interview. Very important to hear.
@Trismhmm
@Trismhmm 9 ай бұрын
Anti-semites are different than anti-zionists. Open discourse is needed to address the root issues of the sources. Not all Zionists are religious. They simply support the vengeful cycles which are aimed at innocent people. A Two-state solution seems to be sane enough to get everyone to stop fighting. Open discourse and idealist leaders who remain accountable. Amen 🙏
@859902
@859902 9 ай бұрын
2 states absent security guarantees is no more than an interim solution
@fuserush3733
@fuserush3733 9 ай бұрын
for a country to be stable, it needs to have continuous land and freedom of movement of it's citizenry. Otherwise it will be like pre-1971 east and west Pakistan. Of course it's in the best interest of isrL, and no wonder why pals are opposing that.
@wade2bosh
@wade2bosh 8 ай бұрын
3 state solutions exist
@peacewizard8958
@peacewizard8958 9 ай бұрын
Very powerful and insightful discussion on Israel, The Israeli lobby and October 7th
@fchau6019
@fchau6019 9 ай бұрын
A 2 state solution?!? If you look at the map of the amount of new settlements, and gobbling up of land, there is nothing left to give to the Palestinians! There should be 1 state with EQUAL rights for all!! Why is that so difficult to understand?
@paulerdosdaughter
@paulerdosdaughter 2 ай бұрын
Given the current Palestinian birth rate, eventually Isreal will become a Palestinian majority country and that's what the Israelis don't want .
@859902
@859902 9 ай бұрын
If PA came round to a 2 state solution why did it reject every version offered?
@YA-kr4fr
@YA-kr4fr 9 ай бұрын
the same reason why Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by far right israelis.Don't forget that about 75% of people living in gaza are refugees because of israel
@williampeters1931
@williampeters1931 9 ай бұрын
That’s a racist myth to make it seem Palestinians are backwards. Israel has never been interested in peace, and has never offered anything. All the plans were shady scams and stall tactics. Obviously. Israel has built settlements literally every day of its existence, eating the entire pie while talking about how you want to slice it up
@blackflag6976
@blackflag6976 9 ай бұрын
Because they were never offered a two state solution. The Zionists always wanted to grab bits and pieces of the west bank. It's the zionist apartheid state that rejects a two state solution on the 1967 borders.
@mxmalik
@mxmalik 9 ай бұрын
They weren’t fair. Did you see the maps proposed. I’ve never seen a country that looks like swiss cheese
@saifdajani
@saifdajani 9 ай бұрын
​@@mxmalik perfect analogy lmao
@zombiehampster1397
@zombiehampster1397 9 ай бұрын
It's 12k+ based on watching DemocracyNow! from what I've seen. Mr. Mearsheimer should be guiding our country in its policies because I can't help but agree with his assessments. As far as Hamas, I think if the great powers of the world were to really look to a solution for this problem, the need for Hamas would diminish (and maybe they would become a problem later, but...) but as long as the Palestinians effectively have no advocate with the power to change the situation, then Hamas it is.
@MH-et5sn
@MH-et5sn 9 ай бұрын
You're a fool as is this guy. Hamas is a Jihadist group, not a political militant group like the IRA for instance. There is no "need" for Hamas right now. In fact, their existence ensures the destruction of Gaza. They WANT that. They want martyrdom for all Palestinians. "We love death more than they love life".
@pennycaldwell8141
@pennycaldwell8141 7 ай бұрын
@zombiehampster1397, Mr. Mearsheimer would be great, however the govt. requirement for the job are not what you'd think. The g's agenda is the real problem.
@johns9969
@johns9969 9 ай бұрын
Never knew Lex audience was NeoCon. Comments are like Daily Wire.
@benguensche
@benguensche 9 ай бұрын
Open your mind
@HappyG1lm0re
@HappyG1lm0re 9 ай бұрын
NeoCon? Drag yourself out of your ideological bubble please, this isn't a democrat/republican thing as much as American media wants to make it.
@yudhirgautam1645
@yudhirgautam1645 9 ай бұрын
Yea its trash
@brianbatista8569
@brianbatista8569 8 ай бұрын
Truth hurts
@DK-nc9wr
@DK-nc9wr 9 ай бұрын
Lex is the definition of "fact over feelings" as once the great Ben Shapiro had stated. He is a fair interviewer and I'm here for it!
@starcha4473
@starcha4473 9 ай бұрын
The Ben Shapiro that does not respect that definition of "facts over feelings".
@jamesgreenldn
@jamesgreenldn 9 ай бұрын
Ben Shapiro is all feelings, unless it’s Palestinians babies dying.
@vandammejam
@vandammejam 9 ай бұрын
Ben Shapiro should take his own advice .
@sajid279
@sajid279 9 ай бұрын
Ben Shaphiro thinks Britain did rightly bomb cities of enemy countries killing civilians...becs war is dirty....
@mariahspapaya
@mariahspapaya 9 ай бұрын
@@vandammejamyeah seeing him get super triggered on piers Morgan about Israel was mildly entertaining
@rayboustan8744
@rayboustan8744 8 ай бұрын
Convince Israel through crippling sanctions and the establishmemt of a credible Palestinian army. Israel does whatever it wants because it is allowed to.
@paulerdosdaughter
@paulerdosdaughter 2 ай бұрын
The Isreali lobby will never allow that to happen
@Random.markee
@Random.markee 9 ай бұрын
These questions are the questions I would ask… stay curious my friend
@samae-r7216
@samae-r7216 9 ай бұрын
Lex, I commend you for inviting and listening to John Mearsheimer. Now I wonder if you will take what Mearsheimer said to heart. Neither side is innocent, both sides have bad actors. We need a two-state solution now, more than ever, or this cycle of violence and hate will continue.
@metwalymagdy264
@metwalymagdy264 8 ай бұрын
I agree that both sides have bad actors but one side has all the power which means more weight in dictating the direction towards solution or conflict but also gives it the arrogance to continue doing what it's doing until forced somehow to pursue a solution, wink wink USA.
@samae-r7216
@samae-r7216 8 ай бұрын
@metwalymagdy264 Yes one side is overmatched but we should not allowed that to deter us from a peaceful two state solution. I hope the peoples and their political forces can show restraint and temper their anger/hatred to make better and peaceful decisions for the security and prosperity of all peoples in the region.
@Joseph-fl1vh
@Joseph-fl1vh 8 ай бұрын
I agree with you.I was rejected in the beginning in 1947.And this person must read history books how Israel was created and how jews "concurred " Palestinians land.
@syedimam8328
@syedimam8328 8 ай бұрын
Lex, you’re trying to make this more complicated than it needs to be. It’s simple: one party is an occupier and one party is the occupied. This isn’t about religion, this is about a tyrant and one who is suffering the tyranny
@theotherview1716
@theotherview1716 8 ай бұрын
What part of Israel is being occupied exactly
@armour2king
@armour2king 8 ай бұрын
You are trying to oversimplify
@syedimam8328
@syedimam8328 8 ай бұрын
@@theotherview1716 none. The whole of Palestine is
@syedimam8328
@syedimam8328 8 ай бұрын
@@armour2king it is simple. Don’t over complicate simple things
@theotherview1716
@theotherview1716 8 ай бұрын
@@syedimam8328 exactly. You don’t care about international law.
@CuriosityIgnited
@CuriosityIgnited 9 ай бұрын
Can true peace ever be achieved without addressing the deep-rooted historical grievances and the current power imbalances? While Fridman talks about the dwindling support for a two-state solution and the shift in political dynamics within Israel, it's essential to question how these developments affect the prospects for lasting peace. The complex interplay of political ideologies, historical narratives, and human rights violations makes it evident that simplistic solutions or unilateral actions are inadequate. What we need is a more nuanced approach that acknowledges the sufferings and rights of both Israelis and Palestinians. It's time to move beyond the cycle of violence and retaliation and work towards a solution that respects the dignity and rights of all individuals involved. What are your thoughts on how we can achieve a realistic and humane resolution to this longstanding conflict?
@wade2bosh
@wade2bosh 8 ай бұрын
This isn’t about land it’s about religion
@noahmizrahi9934
@noahmizrahi9934 8 ай бұрын
I'm confused, I thought Isreal has been offering a 2 state solution and Palistine has routinely rejected it.
@Thinking_Fast_And_Slow
@Thinking_Fast_And_Slow 9 ай бұрын
After WWII, the U.S. occupied Germany and Japan. Things worked out well for them. Why are the Palestinians different?
@Thinking_Fast_And_Slow
@Thinking_Fast_And_Slow 9 ай бұрын
But of course the U.S. did not attempt to create an independent state in Germany or Japan. So it seems like Palestinians, like the Chinese with Taiwan, simply cannot tolerate peacefully sharing the area Israel/Palestine territory with an independent state made up of culturally different people even if these other people are peaceful. Remember, the Arabs in Palestine rose up and massacred peaceful Jews in Palestine in 1920 and 1929 during British Mandate rule when the Jews had no military to defend themselves. These were Jews who settled on unoccupied land or purchased land from whoever owned it. It wasn't land that the Arabs had been excluded from by the Jews, unlike the land and property of 900,000 Jews in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and the rest of the Middle East in 1948. Similar actions occurred in the 1800's when Palestine was under Ottoman rule before the Arabs were liberated from Ottoman rule by the British. From a moral perspective, why was exclusion of 700,000 Palestinians in Palestine after Arabs attacked Jews when Israel was established more acceptable than exclusion of the 900,000 Jews excluded from the rest of the Middle East who had not attacked anyone. I don't hear anyone standing up to for their rights. So it appears that the Arabs simply cannot tolerate the Jews and will act on it whenever they can appears consistent with Mr. Mearsheimer's aggressive real politic approach. The implication is that Israel has to be sure to continue to be the biggest dog on the block, be paranoid about the Palestinians' intent and resist unfair international pressure objecting to its efforts at self protection. Under these circumstances, if the Palestinians want a peaceful two state solution, they will have take actions that convince the Jews that they accept Israel's existence. A good start would be by Palestinians stop teaching that Israel has no right to exist.
@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462
@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 8 ай бұрын
America did create an independent Germany and Japan. They were kept on a tight lease of course but allowed to remain self-governing nations. Yes they occupied them, but unlike Russia, the United States reframed from annexing their territories, forcefully removing them and replacing them or denying their statehood all together.
@funkzilla01
@funkzilla01 8 ай бұрын
The Palestinians have walked away from every offer for a two state solution from 1939 to 2008. It was the Palestinians who said no every time. They could have had their own state a long time ago. Interesting that he left that fact out.
@joshuapasa4229
@joshuapasa4229 8 ай бұрын
They were never offered a full state always less than a state. If you looked at the terms of the deal, I don't think any reasonable person would take it
@haimbnsn463
@haimbnsn463 8 ай бұрын
1- why use Hamas' numbers? 2- How do you know those are civilians and not people who fought the IDF and died? 3- the toolbox saying "2 state solution' should mention it was applied in Gaza, Judea and Shomron, Jenine, Bethlehem, Hevron and it turned out a catastrophe. There are already 3 Palestinian states and all of them want to destroy Israel.
@ey3z4ya
@ey3z4ya 8 ай бұрын
People who fought the IDF and died? All 20,000 of them?
@user-zc5yv1oh2c
@user-zc5yv1oh2c 8 ай бұрын
I remember, quite a long time agp, an Indian Minister who gave an interview in English and mentioned something like this: "If an island like the UK, so small in population, in area and in resources, needed to destroy so much of the world to dominate others, imagine how many planets Earth India would need to do the same".
@patrickdepoortere6830
@patrickdepoortere6830 9 ай бұрын
Did "Ministry of Health of Palestinian Authority" include the civilian deaths from Al-Ahli Arab Hospital bombing that didn't happen either? Hamas: The Terrorists Who Cried Wolf.
@huffingting
@huffingting 9 ай бұрын
Tbh, they need a credible representative. Who gonna miss a yelling, lying mob?
@dalidina5
@dalidina5 9 ай бұрын
It's quite depressing to see the amount of suffering the guest had to go through during the interview 😆
@williammuseler5542
@williammuseler5542 8 ай бұрын
It is not occupation, regardless of the Palestinian talking point. Was it occupation when Egypt controlled Gaza? The two state solution has not been accepted each time it was offered. When do you realize that you are not dealing with rational individuals/ideology?
@threewishes777
@threewishes777 8 ай бұрын
1:00 i laugh here . He thinks this is possible 😅. No sir. Never. Many humans want Israel to take over. Large number humans are done hearing about them fighting. They can't live together. Their culture won't allow it.
@Gameandrelaxnz
@Gameandrelaxnz 9 ай бұрын
If no one believed in God none of this would happen
@HappyG1lm0re
@HappyG1lm0re 9 ай бұрын
Please expand on this thought. Many people believe in God, some are just a bit more kaboom-y than others. Don't put us all under one umbrella.
@dominozonda
@dominozonda 9 ай бұрын
The sad truth is it will happen, just for other reasons, it’s the nature of human beings
@theotherview1716
@theotherview1716 8 ай бұрын
What’s your point
@jdg7327
@jdg7327 8 ай бұрын
If no one believed in the divine God, then there would just be belief in human God. And a human pretending to be God is much more terrifying than you think.
@jamiehayes6714
@jamiehayes6714 9 ай бұрын
Please clarify. What does Living under occupation actually mean in clear practical terms?
@psychoticchemist
@psychoticchemist 9 ай бұрын
Unable to leave Gaza because Israel prevents it, unable to build airports, ports or similar infrastructure because Israel does not allow it, their water, fuel and electricity are controlled by Israel, Israel is often forcibly removing civilians from their land and homes so they can bulldoze villages and continue building their settlements (which is illegal, especially in the West Bank where there is no Hamas), long history (decades) of heavy loss of Palestinian life while Israel loses very few people, etc…
@raans91
@raans91 9 ай бұрын
Israel is a colonial settlement state within Palestine. This makes Palestine occupied territory, Israel control the borders, what goes in and what goes out. They technically left Gaza in 2005 but still control the amount of food, fuel and necessities go into Gaza, whilst also controlling air, land and sea.
@USAjudo
@USAjudo 9 ай бұрын
Means that some jew from Brooklyn can't take your house in the middle east and you can't do anything about it
@salmivec
@salmivec 9 ай бұрын
It means no one can enter or leave Ghazala without the consent of Israel. It means they can switch off and on power fuel access to Food. It means people are born and die in a 25 mile x 5 mile concentration camp and never have any opportunity to leave more go abroad to seek out a better future for themselves. it means that Israel determines how much food enters the occupied territories in accordance with the calculation of maintenance calories plus avoids starvation but leave the population on the brink. It means everyone is given an identity number by the Israelis, but this is not the same as a passport or ID card, which gives people citizen rights because Palestinians are not citizens. We could go on. You should read Norman Finklestein or ilan Pappe
@hbpu2156
@hbpu2156 9 ай бұрын
@@USAjudoMore-like it’s what you did it to the natives. Should the natives adopt Hamas ideology? 🙄🤡🤡🤡
@solarius32
@solarius32 9 ай бұрын
Israel would avoid killing civilians in Gaza if they could only target the Hamas. Seems like you have a major ignorance about the local mentality of both sides in the conflict
@patrickdepoortere6830
@patrickdepoortere6830 9 ай бұрын
Uncritical of numbers provided by "Ministry of Health of Palestinian Authority" who voted Hamas into power and stockpile weapons in Hospitals and schools. Maybe the full video provides a modicum of such context.
@chadlyblomme
@chadlyblomme 9 ай бұрын
Perhaps though the gaza ministry of health numbers in numerous Israeli Gov't operations have been shown accurate by independent human rights groups. Additionally the dead have Israeli ID #'s. The numbers will be higher as it continues. Also currently not counting civilians buried in ruble
@iamthat787
@iamthat787 9 ай бұрын
​@@chadlyblommea consensus of experts? Never trust NGO's. 600 Dead at the hospital , ministry of health. They lie, you just ignore it.
@HappyG1lm0re
@HappyG1lm0re 9 ай бұрын
@@chadlyblomme "by independent human rights groups" Exactly who? Hamas has been inflating numbers through their proxy's this whole time, let's not fall for bias data.
@Dickson421
@Dickson421 9 ай бұрын
They’re numbers have been very accurate over that last decade ( see 2014, 2009 numbers). Our own state department has relied on their numbers. What’s your source on an accurate death count?
@patrickdepoortere6830
@patrickdepoortere6830 9 ай бұрын
@@chadlyblomme perhaps? You're more than charitable to a population that broke a cease fire on a day Israelis honor God by putting away any and all work and bond with family and community, by butchering women and children. This is what they wanted. They got it.
@azzeygjiyfdryukmjhuii
@azzeygjiyfdryukmjhuii 9 ай бұрын
It's really horrible when your country is control of other country.
@dinopopp
@dinopopp 7 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be a good idea to push back every time your guest makes some strong accusations against the Jewish state, in this case? In the first 5 min he's running wild with a one sided view of this conflict and it's seems, by your silence you've given automatic credence to all his claims
@Steven-iy8nn
@Steven-iy8nn 9 ай бұрын
If Palestinians were offered a state with 97%of everything they asked for and they walked away. How is that saying the Palestinians want a 2 state solution.
@truelies5431
@truelies5431 8 ай бұрын
Actually it's PLO's Arrafat who offered a two state solution but we all know what Israel did to over throw him.. they created and funded hamas heavily.. to the point where it literally blew up in their faces
@truelies5431
@truelies5431 8 ай бұрын
here's a pro tip.. Israelis never wanted a two state solution.. ever!
@meshzzizk
@meshzzizk 8 ай бұрын
"If" that had happened it would be an interesting question, but what actually did happen bears no resemblance at all to the scenario you describe.
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 8 ай бұрын
​@meshzzizk Arrafat was offered all Gaza and like 93% of West Bank. He rejected it with no counter offer. They don't want a state.
@truelies5431
@truelies5431 8 ай бұрын
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 Can you give your sources because in wikipedia it clearly shows that PLO offered the two state solution since 1993.. but according to oslo accords (which failed) Arrafat accepted to recognize state of israel but israel refused to call palestine a state and only wanted PLO to remain a representative of palestinians nothing more nothing less.. you can check out PLO wiki or Oslo accords wiki
@bikerd12
@bikerd12 9 ай бұрын
Really good discussion
@unknownsender_
@unknownsender_ 9 ай бұрын
Waiting for the jüūwz to say he’s an antisemite lol
@mikelary88
@mikelary88 9 ай бұрын
A 54 minute ‘clip’ 😂
@svenamsterdam3501
@svenamsterdam3501 7 ай бұрын
This is a smart and thoughtful conversation. Well worth a listen.
@mitchellpinney3030
@mitchellpinney3030 8 ай бұрын
"You can't go to a situation where you give Palestinians equal rights inside of greater Israel in large part because there are now as many Palestinians as there are Israeli Jews, and over time the balance, the demographic balance, shifts against the Israeli Jews and in favour of the Palestinians, in which case you end up with a Palestinian state inside of Greater Israel, so democracy for all doesn't work. The Israelis I believe are interested in ethnic cleansing" So a one-state solution can't because there might be more Palestinians than Israelis? Come on now be serious. One state, equal rights. It's not complicated.
@TopSoulMan
@TopSoulMan 8 ай бұрын
This is the first man I've seen who i thought had a mustache but didn't.
@sadikhassan3020
@sadikhassan3020 8 ай бұрын
Oww he doesn’t have 😂
@deanodebo
@deanodebo 8 ай бұрын
Hahaha ya the “political center of gravity” needs to move left for Peace. Like chamberlain. Not Churchill Nice try. Simplistic academic theoretician
@holgerlinke98
@holgerlinke98 8 ай бұрын
One sides reduction of hate doesn't really do the trick tho. Poland is a good example, their politics is still heavily influenced by hate against germans. They never really did much about. It will come back to haunt them one day
@dinopopp
@dinopopp 7 ай бұрын
Look at the statistical balance in arguments pro and against the Jewish side, almost no time spent talking about the oct 7event, odd
@aram_ameninch_garam
@aram_ameninch_garam 8 ай бұрын
I like this John guy
@canwesayit1967
@canwesayit1967 9 ай бұрын
This person lost the argument and proved himself to actually be antisemitic when he claimed Oct 7 was 'resistance'. I don't recall the French resistance in WW2 gouging out a father's eyes in front of his children then proceeding to mutilate his children in their kitchen. Resistance aims to take out military outposts and disrupt communications. He conveniently left out the part where the Israeli army can't use precision targeting because the terrorist is sitting in a kid's bedroom. Lex just sitting and agreeing to all of this. WILD! Also the claimed 10K death toll is a. Inaccurate. B. The number includes combatants which are co-mingled amongst civilians and IDF have killed thousands of combatants.
@hunterkil1er342
@hunterkil1er342 9 ай бұрын
Your claims for the death totals give you away right away. The #'s are not disputed at all. Isreals own reported #'s are higher then the 12k from ministry of health in Gaza. I dont know if you are a Neo-con, zionost or both? Either way I wouldn't sweat being called anti Semitic by you.
@aservantinbabylon
@aservantinbabylon 8 ай бұрын
Quit repeating jooish lies. It is disgusting.
@robertoandreamadonna6025
@robertoandreamadonna6025 8 ай бұрын
You are the evil brainwashed here.
@hillelderman
@hillelderman 8 ай бұрын
So weird. I feel just the opposite of what John says is true. This is the first time that the hope for a Palestinian state Is going to have a chance to become reality. The rule of Hamas has been the primary obstacle to any kind of resolution between Israelis and Palestinians. When Hamas is no longer a threat to both their own people and Israel, the good will from Israelis to work with Palestinians towards a viable state will be reignited. Israel now will have a chance to help rebuild Gaza and work together with Palestinians towards creating sustainable economic growth in Gaza. Netanyahu will be pushed out of power due to his failures and without Hamas as an excuse to stonewall Palestinian aspirations for statehood a more liberal coalition will rise to power in the Israeli government.
@aservantinbabylon
@aservantinbabylon 8 ай бұрын
You're delusional.
@Daniel-uk6yr
@Daniel-uk6yr 8 ай бұрын
Are you high? This israeli government wants nothing to do with that solution. Their priority is to expand settlements and replace the population on the west bank in a slow manner without issues. Netanyahu taking over when rabbin died is one of the reasons the peace process failed. he even admits it in a leaked video from 2001.
@shabbirahmed2191
@shabbirahmed2191 8 ай бұрын
You are delusional
@RSVP9929
@RSVP9929 9 ай бұрын
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about israel does not occupy Gaza hamas does and they offered them land and peace treaties 5 times and they declined it every time there is no diplomatic solution for this issue
@joshuacornelius25
@joshuacornelius25 9 ай бұрын
Funny how no one wags their finger at the US who could be argued as a more apartheid state than Israel with its past and current reservation policies with native Americans. But that's not as sexy as wagging a finger at Israel.
@BarnoBarno-jp2ks
@BarnoBarno-jp2ks 9 ай бұрын
r u ok?
@ElijsDima
@ElijsDima 9 ай бұрын
Nice Whataboutism, very relevant to the Israel/Palestine question. full marks, hope you got your 2 rubles for posting that.
@joshuacornelius25
@joshuacornelius25 9 ай бұрын
@@ElijsDima lol... It did give you an opportunity to lob your false whataboutism fallacy claim though, so there is that! 😉 Pointing out the blatant hypocrisy is the point of my post as I don't even agree with the claim that Palestinians self-isolation under Hamas rule is anything close to apartheid when Israel is a multicultural state where Arabs and Jews live in peace and the rest of the Arab countries has refused to accept refugees from Gaza and the West Bank. Jordan kicked out Hamas and other radicals decades ago and no one levels claims of apartheid against the Jordanians when they abandoned the west bank nor Egypt when they refused to take responsibility for assisting Gaza. But I don't really expect you to have any clue about the history of the region judging by your lack of understanding about basic concepts like fallacy. Tiktok is probably not a good source to rely upon kiddo. 😉 Thanks for playing though.
@joshuacornelius25
@joshuacornelius25 9 ай бұрын
@@ElijsDima oh, and by the actual definition of apartheid, the US segregation of native Americans into reservations would be a much more obvious example than Gaza and the West Bank as native Americans have never been offered their own actual sovereignty as independent and free nations. 😉 Where are your crocodile tears for them? 🤔 Guess the lack of bandwagoning outrage doesn't inspire you enough to throw your full angst into eh? 😉 Just to be clear, I'm arguing that you are a disingenuous hypocrite and a sophomoric troll. Call that what you like, it doesn't alter the facts. ✌️ And ♥️
@Dickson421
@Dickson421 9 ай бұрын
Does the US control the movement of those on reservations? Are native Americans allowed to use the same roads as other citizens?
@vmoses1979
@vmoses1979 8 ай бұрын
Lex makes a dumb comment about normalization with Saudi and other Arab countries helping with settling Palestinian issue. Nope.
@user-pk4pd3gt3g
@user-pk4pd3gt3g 8 ай бұрын
Why didn’t you bring up the reason US and ISRAEL are close allies because of IRAN. Not Jewish/us lobby bs.
@Amen-sx3mp
@Amen-sx3mp 8 ай бұрын
Really fascinating conversation.
@barrybonds1161
@barrybonds1161 8 ай бұрын
I've seriously changed my opinion about Lex. I thought, given his heritage, he'd blindly go with home right or wrong and not give this terrible situation a fair take, like others like Ben Shapiro has. I judged him for that wrongly, and I stand corrected. This conflict could use more like him on both sides
@wade2bosh
@wade2bosh 8 ай бұрын
Israel is right
@barrybonds1161
@barrybonds1161 8 ай бұрын
@@wade2bosh Isreal is as right as a pedophile
@michaelslahetka8371
@michaelslahetka8371 8 ай бұрын
Les You Are A Leading Leader !! & Present Logical Pespective Viewpoints !!
@Ell647
@Ell647 8 ай бұрын
In the UK the is-l loby js coined a new phrase isra-l phobia …
@flodeez1065
@flodeez1065 9 ай бұрын
In Eastern Europe, are they not hinting to the Finlandization of Ukraine? Something like a military relationship with USA and a socio-economic relationship with Russa? I wonder how Ukraine starts to pay back the USA for all those weapons in that scenario.
@wade2bosh
@wade2bosh 8 ай бұрын
Pay back lol no
@yvonnejoseph4841
@yvonnejoseph4841 8 ай бұрын
What is the difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide...Mr. Mearshimer says earlier in the interview that Israel is currently attempting ethnic cleansing of the Palestiniañs but later rejects the charge of genocide....has Mr. Mearshimer fallen into the semantic abyss in his reluctance to call 'a spade a spade?'
@shadow.banned
@shadow.banned 8 ай бұрын
You uploaded this twice.
@carpetcrawler79
@carpetcrawler79 8 ай бұрын
I think people just underestemate how evil Netanjahu really is
@luisdotgarcia
@luisdotgarcia 9 ай бұрын
What’s a Palestinian? They don’t exist. A 2 State Solution? Some people live in La La Land. Islam won’t EVER allow a Jewish State in the Middle East. In fact Islam won’t ever allow a Jewish State anywhere in the World where Muslims are significantly in numbers. The reason why Israel agreed to the UN Partition Plan was because Jews knew and still know that Muslims won’t ever accept the division of the Land. Jews lived in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Yemen and Saudi Arabia since before Christianity and Islam. If Israel requested and they should for a 2 State Solution in all those Countries the answer would be a no to share the Muslim Land with Jews. The same with Israel and Muslims.
@JohanThiart
@JohanThiart 9 ай бұрын
In 2021 polls 60% of Israelis and Palestinians did not favour a two state solution and 40% of Israelis and Palestinians supported a two state solution. Since then both groups have moved further away from supporting a two state solution. At least they are all aligned in similar numbers rejecting the most viable solution that may result in peace. If the rest of the world could align on the two state solution we may very well create a two state solution. But that is probably less likely than Hamas and Israel agreeing to accept the preference of their respective opponents. What a dilemma!
@vmoses1979
@vmoses1979 8 ай бұрын
Hardly a dilemma. One side colonized and oppressed the other and it's deemed a dilemma - crazy shit. Who cares about polls - freedom for Palestinians in their own country is the just solution.
@rafa374
@rafa374 9 ай бұрын
DO WASPS REALLY LOVE ISRAEL? REALLY? Wasps and other US racial groups please comment.
@tk80mufa5
@tk80mufa5 8 ай бұрын
the apocalyptic Evangelic fundamentalist zealots do, because they believe in ushering in the Apocalpyse to bring back the messiah !
@furtrapper11
@furtrapper11 9 ай бұрын
over half of Hamas fighters are under 18
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 8 ай бұрын
I saw that when watching the footage. One Hamas fighter showed his face and he looked 16 at the oldest. It's insane.
@theotherview1716
@theotherview1716 8 ай бұрын
It’s becoming clear that there is no solution.
@pfffff
@pfffff 9 ай бұрын
What did they lose like 1 "soldier" for each Hamas... Killed 12k civilians for 100~ Hamas? Spent billions levelling the entire area. Had no idea about the attack on the 7th. This conscript military is a joke.
@yvonnejoseph4841
@yvonnejoseph4841 8 ай бұрын
Hammas is a resistance irganisation fighting for their freedom. Why not one state with both groups being represented in the government....with the former apartheid South Africa as the model?
@SonglyWryt
@SonglyWryt 8 ай бұрын
Do jewish people ask themselves why there's a lot of hate. Or do they just focus on the hate. Because I don't understand how, why and where it came from. Throughout all of history? Even the whole 109 countries thing I keep hearing. Where did it come from. I know its not just the "we're the true Jews." argument. Social groups clash for social reasons so what's the social reasons for the conflict.
@Hierosir
@Hierosir 9 ай бұрын
10:08 good lord talk about losing credibility.
@Hierosir
@Hierosir 9 ай бұрын
@@kjjx125 my issue isn't with Lex. No issues with Lex at all. He's doing his best. My issue is with John on this take.
@meshzzizk
@meshzzizk 8 ай бұрын
@@Hierosir y tho
@LCculater
@LCculater 8 ай бұрын
Well who started it ? Should have thought of that before they started
@ChannelMath
@ChannelMath 8 ай бұрын
why is this title on your channel about you? pretty strange and narcissistic
@The5aira
@The5aira 9 ай бұрын
Surely the indiscriminate massacre that Israel is conducting now is only going to make it less safe as a nation? There are millions in the world now that have woken up to the situation of Israel/palestine that may have had no idea of the reality of the conflict before.
@freefallu
@freefallu 8 ай бұрын
I don’t always agree with the guests. I think he is wrong on Ukraine ( there’s more grey than he admits ) but I am e joying your show .
@Trismhmm
@Trismhmm 9 ай бұрын
John Mearshemeir is this man's name. Put some respect on his name. He is one intelligently composed cookie.
@GungaLaGunga
@GungaLaGunga 7 ай бұрын
Don't we have some BLM land here in the USA we can give to one or the other. ffs This has to stop. Enough. Somebody has to move. Build a massive incentive and place to move them to, and end this madness.
@nickj1968
@nickj1968 8 ай бұрын
Great interview
@joshualivingstone5259
@joshualivingstone5259 8 ай бұрын
Democracy for all is not only a good solution, but its the only solution. It just can't be representative democracy where concerns about the "tyranny of the majority" come into play. It has to be a form of direct democracy that somehow preserves the freedom and dignity of all even those in the minority. Perhaps a kind of council system is the way forward.
@sg5725
@sg5725 8 ай бұрын
Just write it into a Constitution. A 1 state solution is the only solution and democracy is the only way to ensure justice for all.
@ishine330
@ishine330 8 ай бұрын
So much I agree with said
@patrickmwinn
@patrickmwinn 8 ай бұрын
Did this guy really just say that we can have a two state solution with Hamas? This is insane.
@nickmccarter2395
@nickmccarter2395 8 ай бұрын
The more I listen to this guy, the more entrenched I am in Liberal Political Theory amd away from realism
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