Dude has a massive amount of muscle compared to any other teams. Must be some good chicken,broccoli and rice over there

Such a TERRIBLE problem to have. Damn. I feel so bad for him.

He’s at 88.48kg last month, and broke the WC for snatch and total at 89kg level in Korea.🎉

People are missing the point that when he goes up, he goes against people who are simply bigger and more naturally suited to the weight class. Like Om Yun Chol at 56 being one of the greatest of all time, then not being able to medal at 61. His total stayed at about his average, and was up against 62s who snatch 10 kilos more and they only had to cut an extra kilo down to 61 and kept basically their strength. Like Seb said in the video, Li will be up against guys who C&J 10+kg more and he won't make up that much by being comfortably soft and not having to cut at all to make 89.

It's a crime that the Olympics only has 5 categories for 2024. There were 7 in 2020 and even that didn't seem right, as the gap from 81 to 96 was huge.

I can TOTALLY relate to this poor guy. Like, here I am working on my MASSIVE 87.5 kg clean, but I can't concentrate cause all the girls at the gym are begging me to take me shirt off for their selfies. Very, very difficult for me. I'd be so much more elite if it weren't for my chiseled muscles and stunning good looks and amazing personality and endless humility. (J/K, tho. Cool video!) P.S. Ugh? Hello Internets?? This comment was NOT supposed to get 3 thousand likes??? I was being silly. ZERO "satire" intended, except as regards my own skinny, middle-aged arse. (Trust me, boys: Not even the Missus ever asked me for a shirt-free selfie.) Do watch the video, though. It's fascinating analysis - as ALWAYS with WLH ...

I respectfully disagree. Li Dayin at 81kg is basically after he loses water. Normally he weighs like 86kg or 87kg in training. If you have a look at his training videos then his physique is even more mind-boggling. It’s actually Lu who couldn’t get more muscle mass. After Li arrived in Colombia my first impression was like “dude got smaller.” I wouldn’t worry about his bw but his ability to get the strength required for 89kg.

Man that is an insane looking physique and packs a lot of power too. A true testament of hard work.

When I was a very lean 63 I was strong. When the weigh classes changed, I went up to 67.5 very fast. I didn't gain that much muscle but I was still stronger, simply because of a calorie surplus and being able to recover better because of it. It's not just the muscle mass that makes a difference, its the sum total of having more everything at your disposal. I think he will do well at 89. His c&j will go up.

This is the situation where being closer to bodybuilding helps to understand the options. Li is not only clearly sub 10% bodyfat, he even looks almost dehydrated to a certain degree. Which means, that he only would have to gain maybe 2 or 3 kg of pure muscles, maybe the same amount stored in fat and the remaining couple of kilos as water. And he would still look like a bodybuilder couple weeks short of getting on stage. He should have more strength and his joints should be better as well!

It’s insane that he looks like a bodybuilder without even training like one. Physique is optional for an athlete like him but he looks better than most ppl who live the bodybuilding lifestyle

Dude has the physique of a Greek God!

"there are plenty of olympic competitors without visible abs" *Lasha has entered the chat*

The missing facet of this discussion is the Olympia titles an 89kg Li Dayin would bring China, regardless of his ability to eclipse the 215kg clean and jerk

I also have this problem. Thank you for spreading the word on our struggle.

He's still 25 years old and has competing in 81kg for only 4 years. He's heavily muscled and is bodybuilder esque. It is 18 months until the 2024 Olympics. With elite training facilities, nutrition coaching, and Team China *supplements*, 0.5 to 1.0 lbs lean mass gain per month is doable. That extra bodyweight can help him beat out some of the 89 kg Team China lifters during qualification. It will be very competitive even with Lü Xiaojun's suspension!

He might be an exception to the rule, most people can't truly give their 100% at a bodyfat level under 10%, so if he gains mostly fat, increasing to 15-16%, and maybe gaining just a little bit of muscle, he could qualify on the lower end for the 89 category and be at his 100%. Of course, it becomes extremely impractical for him to compete in that division, it is better for him to remain as the best 81 in the world, and not try to compete against 2 athletes that fit the category better.

Too much muscle? Got womens team simping on him? What an absolute tragedy! I must shed a tear for this man. Sighhhh the world is indeed unfair 🤡

It's individuals like him and Lu who can popularize weight lifting and bring much needed glamor to it

I dont weight lift, have only powerlifted but I find your videos very well done and riveting. I am a huge fan of olympic wrestling and it has the same problem; "non-olympic" years there are 10 weight classes and then olympic years there are only 6. It sucks because world champions/top contenders at the "non-olympic" weights move up/down from their best weight even in non olympic years just for the shot at the olympics instead of competing for world titles. There is nothing more special about 74kg (olympic) vs 79kg(world) but their titles are viewed very differently bc the IOC made it so, which I find to be a shame. IMO a world champion is a world champion period and should be respected as such. Not sure it will get rectified anytime soon in either sport but im glad you made a video highlighting an amazing athlete that might not get his due bc of the weight categories.

having a higher fat level say around 15% definitely does help with power so it's still possible for LDY to go up in weight and be competitive imo

You know what, I have high hopes for him. Despite the fact that it appears that he’s hitting his genetic ceiling he still pushes forward and I respect that

As a 6’4” 195lb-er I can SERIOUSLY relate to this dude saying he really struggles with eating more and gaining more weight. Everyone jokes that sitting on your ass and eating cheese doodles is the easiest thing ever, but since I lost 60 lbs over 2022 my appetite has been nonexistent.

Who's here after Li Dayin broke the snatch and the total WR🙌

Yea same here, I have way to much muscle... It's a really hard struggle we deal with, me and Li Dayin.

He’s so lean. In my opinion I wouldn’t be afraid of him gaining some fat. If anything it would aid his recovery and help his joints

Mass moves mass also applies to the amount of energy/strength gained from excess calories and fat storage. I took a week off from the gym for Christmas, gained roughly 4kg, and my Bench increased by 9kg. Of course, bench isn't an Olympic lift but having a heavier body mass wouldn't affect bench like the example of a sled used.

Honor and glory to such men.

Hey Seb. Great content as usual. You over time became the best source of weightlifting content. One small remark though : can you leave out the music bits during the narration or at least push them more in the background? Maybe it's just me but I find it a little annoying and makes it difficult to understand the narrative. Thanks

It's not impossible to do but it isn't going to be easy. Especially if you want to keep the 10% BF. He would have to prep like Eddy Hall did when he was attempting to deadlift 500kg. Basically double down on the diet and PEDs. It's possible but definitely not sustainable.

There are weight categories for a reason, you can try fit in an other categorie but it might end up costly for your career but it also offers him a new challenge he might need for motivation.

Honestly, even though it will be difficult for him to gain much muscle I still think he'll perform better at the 89kg class. Usually being as lean as he is isn't necessarily ideal for performance. Of course, it's hard to know if he'll gain enough on his lifts to be a champion in the heavier class.

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This is the exact amount of muscle that looks good and doesn't make you look like a meat head. He doesn't actually look overly huge at all. He looks fit. I'd take this any day over something like the size of Kali Muscle.

Sick video man!

Captivating! Can u give the name and link to the song at the end? can't manage to find

Never had that problem unfortunately.

Is that really true? If additional fat wouldnt give you at least some advantage why should super heavys be able to lift more than heavys? And isnt being more around 12to15% bf not better for strength sports anyway, considering the extra cushening of the joints and the higher energy level?

Is there a name for the exercise he's doing at 3:53? Or is that just a partial rep hanging clean?

I disagree with the "mass moves mass" point you made here just based off the semantics of it. I would be interested to hear from a lifter with extra weight on them that ISN'T muscle mass (Lasha, for example) and hear why they don't lose the excess weight if it potentially serves no purpose to their strength since it isn't muscle mass.

Li bw was around 87 during off season when he was a 81 … 87 shredded!

Hope we all can go through the same problem in our lives

Years of dedication and commitment just gone. I m sorry to hear that.

Thanks for clearing up muscle mass moves mass. I used to be heavier yet strength has not been changed much from lighter to heavier. It left me confused.

That sucks that he is now in no-mans land in the Weightlifting categories while at peak physical condition. There shouldnt be such a huge jump in weight categories because this leads to others being severely advantaged/disadvantaged.

what cycle do i need to match this?

very good informational video, thanks!

Li Daiyin brought enough muscle for the rest of the class

Saying that Li Dayin cannot gain more muscle is ridiculous. This guy is built different.

that's ridiculous.. he shouldn't have to change/ruin his body so drastically because of some competition rules. he looks amazing and he should be able to maintain that physique and compete with others at his weight.

Wow, I've been looking for a lot of footage of people training and repeating similar moves repeatedly in a single session. This proved to me the content is in fact out there. There's a lot to learn, especially from the less popularized information such as menial training behavior. For example, I myself might watch an uncut run of training footage. >>That said, the problem this athlete faces is interesting and I think I would try a different approach from most people. I like to try random ideas, a kitbashing of thoughts and random aspects. As a non-athlete who experiments and plays with ideas (fair warning), this might be my plan: - I would try consuming a limited diet, subset to starches etc with limited full-muscle activation for a set period. - I'd then try adding something very acidic to the diet, or possibly a strong alcohol like rice or grain alcohol, around 40%. Possibly taken in dilution to reduce intoxication. - Then I'd do a lot of aerobic, low intensity training, initially causing the prior events which likely caused mild weight loss to increase the weight loss a little more, like a pendulum. - This aerobic zone2 training period would mean limited intensity activities, even in daily life, trying to move very slow qi. - Then after day 5 begin eating more fat each day and less starch. - Day 10, and various other days, eat very little, do very little. - Return to zone2 extended training for 1 day, next day do very little, day after do explosive. Consume lots of fats every 2 days before explosive training or similar type of exercise. Now we are at a "pendulum" like motion, where there is an interval-based building strategy of adding mass. The zone2 training is reciprocal to the body rejecting the fat, by means of epithelial and internal body conditions / conditioning (? I'm not well versed in biology... as mentioned I am just a playful person when it comes to this type of thing.)

This guy has some of the most symmetrical ab genetics I think I’ve ever seen, looks sick.

Uugh! That poor man! How could you cope with that problem? 🙏🏽 I hope he can get some help with his problem!

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For me, getting bigger has been easy (the same trend in the last 50 years), and getting smaller has been impossible, particular in the waist area.

i think he should still go up to 89

It is difficult . Speaking as someone who has trained for American football for most of my life , physics says more mass, more power. As someone who is considered undersized at 175lbs, I was trying to gain weight to compete with 185lbs and 190lbs while still trying to retain my speed an quickness . In order to do that I had to stuff my face with 6 meals a day at around 1500-2000 calories per meal of the healthiest, leanest foods I could find- sure I could easily eat that many calories in fast food, but that would detract from performance as a certain amount of fat does get in the way of muscle fiber recruitment (not to be confused with overall hypertrophy!). I got up to 192lbs but let me tell you: I felt like such a glutton, it is terrible stuffing your face like that.

I don't know.. do you think he's reached his muscle maximum potential? I personally think he will gain both and get to the weight class but will have to change some habits to get there

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he just competed this year at 89kg at Junju in May and absolutely destroyed the field

I also have a problem, I have too little muscle.

I was 5.5% bodyfat as a HS wrestler. I never hsd to qorry about moving up or down weight classes, but i needed to EAT between every match or i would gas out. Gotta balance

These guys have the best physiques imo.

That was some top tier beating around the bush.

Bro has one of the most beautiful physiques I've ever seen

Form experience, mass moves mass is true and does not apply super strictly to more muscle and not fat. For example, your bench can likely go up by increasing bodyfat % if you are very lean. This examples stands in contrast to your sled push example.

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he has an amazing physique

his physique is so good

I think if they let him manage his food schedule far better and be able to eat more often and more food he will without a problem gain more strength (not muscle) since muscle does not equal strength. While it grows your strength it's about what you put in your body, how much you sleep and how you go with eating. I did a 7 week bulking where i raised my calories by 3-4k and gained 11 kgs, where of within 3 weeks of doing the bulk i were lifting double weights compared to before, and then when i went back to a normal consumption of 2200-2400 calories after the 7 week period i actually declined in strength by going down to half of what i gained. Before bulk: 6kg in bicep curls Middle of bulk: 10 kg in bicep curls After bulk: 7-8kg bicep curls. While his muscles might not grow, just putting on fat and body weight will increase his strength to the nature of the body being forced to mass. But not only that properly consuming the food will let his body fully make use of the energy and intake of the protein (yes protein is actually broken down and consumed in multiple ways from different substances that benefits the strength growth not just muscle mass

Being to lean may be a problem in itself, a lot of powertlifters that have a bit of fat are often much stronger, and eating more makes you more explosive, especially if it was via Tacos.

Highkey a dream physique

is there video of the Colombian women taking selfies with Li Dayin? LMAO, I need to see that. BTW I'm a Patreon member

Why are they removing weight categories?

Each sport has optimum height, weight, genetics. If your genetics dont match a sport, you are not going to the olympics.

Must be the hard work n dedication he puts in! 😀

I don't understand the argument. Are you saying he has reached his genetic potential? Why can't he just bulk like anyone else, put on a bit of fat and gain muscle?

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He can gain with time. I went from 77 kg to 99 kg in a few months. I trained harder during this period but I also slept more. Sleep is extremely essential, that's what I noticed. Btw, A jump from 77kg to 99kg is above average. I'm looking forward to his metamorphosis 💪

have you ever watched the mr olympia? He can definitely gain more muscle

I know nothing about olympic weightlifting. Im just here to wish our brother our friend a successfull bulk. May he cultivate the mass he needs.

Tough, I feel like the 96's cutting down already have innate advantages and if most of them manage to retain even half other smass to strength ratio they had at 96 they'd just dominate the 89

what's the soundtrack at 2:00? sounds familiar

You are wrong about the fat thing. He is an athlete not a top model or body builder. Putting on fat would help him. For this kind of sport it's good. A bit of fat gives the muscles more power and the body more energy to take from. For short periods of strong muscle use that is perfect acually and you can see that in many other sports.

me too have the same issue, too much muscle with 18% body fat sigh

Its not that he can't do it, he just needs a huge increase in food and rest with heavy reps. Its really hard to eat 4 times a day none the less 6-7 times which is needed for muscle growth.

4:11 it is not really true. mass moves mass is not only appliable for muscle mass. more fat mass also changes the levers in squat and deadlift. So it really depends on the lift and the lifter

whatever he chooses to do, i hope it goes well for him.

Of course he can't gain any muscle if he's at low body fat and doesn't increase his weight. The new muscle weight has to come either from excess body fat (which he doesn't have) or from surplus calories. Whether he truly "can't gain muscle" will only become apparent AFTER he has gained weight. As long as he stays at 81, there is no way to make such a statement.

Take creatine if he's not already taking it (Easy 5lbs of water), and on the day of the weigh-in chug 5lbs of water & load up on 5lbs of food beforehand. Try to gain 5lb of lean tissue by the time of weigh-in, as well as a little bit of fat. It's doable.

great video and you such a great job. Can you explain Lasha? I dont get him he has so much fat yet, well he is lasha. I dont get him

Nice lifting bro 💪

Wow, this guy looks like a Baki character. His quads are crazy and he's even got the demon back thing going. I'm in awe. :D

So, mildly incorrect on the "mass moves mass is incorrect thing". On deadlifts and squats, purely having more WEIGHT on your back/backside can help with regards to how the leverages work. Snatches and Cleans both essentially start as an RDL. Also, there's a reason why massive people tend to have massive legs, more weight over constant stress builds more muscle, even when keeping the lifting regimen identical. More calories also effectively increase the amount of work you can do (with limits). It's also REALLY hard for the body to add additional muscle mass under 12-15% body fat, because of how the body builds and repairs cellular tissue of all types, it also would likely put you in a sub-optimal hormonal balance for gaining muscle mass (although I would expect that he has help there outside of competition testing time frames.

He shouldn’t be upset. That’s an insane amount sheer raw power.

IDK why they have these goofy uneven and arbitrary seeming categories anyway. Why not just 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100kg etc. I mean 81 and 96 on the old metric? Then replacing both with an 89? That's up 8 and down 7, respectively, and there was a 15kg difference between categories which is HUGE given the broad range of heights people can be and how even a 5cm difference in height can make someone look 10kg different from an equally weighted competitor.

mass moves mass strong man competitions show that... weights get moved by muscles when on a bar...

Shoot imagine if li dayin switches to squat jerk? I say that because imaging him power jerk 220 or above sounds crazy. This will be interesting to see his aproach

drop down to 71 seems more achievable than going up but he would lose lots of strength on the way down