Is the TR-8S the Perfect Ableton Live Controller? // Live Techno

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Is the TR-8S the Perfect Ableton Live Controller? // Live Techno
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CONTENT OF THE VIDEO
0:00 Hello // About the TR-8S
1:23 BeatConnect // Collaborate Online in real time
2:41 Basic Set up + Use // TR-8S + Ableton Live
6:21 Replacing Ableton drums with TR-8S Drums
8:26 Combining standalone TR-8S + Ableton Drums
9:02 TR-8S as an FX mixer
10:14 Controlling a midi channel (in Ableton) w/ the TR-8S
11:26 in conclusion
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@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

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@kathleencoveny3860 10 ай бұрын

Sweet beats ... thanks for sharing the ins and outs along with your creative talents ..cheers !

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Cheerz to you!

@dalexandergonzalez5787 10 ай бұрын

You're the man for all your videos!! Been playing with my tr8s. Thanks for the new direction.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

It’s a pleasure

@BraveSirSausage 6 ай бұрын

This is great thanks - the tr8s is such a fun versatile bit of kit

@LiamKillen 6 ай бұрын

It continuously blows my mind.

@hovermotion 10 ай бұрын

The Tr8-s is such a great machine to use on the fly.. Well worth the money second hand..

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more

@SquarepulseMusic 5 ай бұрын

Commented on the other vid but I’ll comment here as well. Such a genius way to use the tr-8s! I’ve been using it as the core drum machine for my live dawless setup but never thought about how it could be used hybrid! Thanks for the inspiration and these great vids! Lmk if you ever book a good in San Francisco or Oakland! Would love to see this all come together on the big speakers!

@LiamKillen 4 ай бұрын

Thanks again so much for watching!

@willyum3108 7 ай бұрын

Awesome video. I saw it a few months ago, but as I just started digging into Ableton, I rewatched and it's inspired me to dust off the TR-8S and pair it with this Push.

@LiamKillen 7 ай бұрын

They're such a perfect pairing!

@fpvwalleit-drones2884 10 ай бұрын

Nice video, gave me good insight because I'm considering this box. I'm using the Novation Launchkey to control Ableton. Is kind of the same what you did but wih auto midimap and some more features.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

TR-8S is a secret weapon for reasons like this.

@satin360 6 ай бұрын

had no idea you could do this, been using my tr8s and Ableton separately for years

@LiamKillen 6 ай бұрын

TR-8S + ABleton is at the forefront of my set up right now.

@tanguyf742 4 ай бұрын

Hey Liam cool video as always Do have any idea if you can also use one track of the tr8 to sequence an external synth with MIDI in an out? Thinking about getting one , I would like to send midi notes from my moog in the tr8, have them live recorded and played back in the synth while the sequence is running :) Have a nice day !

@LiamKillen 4 ай бұрын

I don't know much about the TR-8 so I won't speak on it!

@huntrrams Ай бұрын

This is amazing! Does this work with TR-6s?

@LiamKillen Ай бұрын

Yes ! You just don't have as much tactile midi control because less knobs / faders. Come talk about it in my Discord if you're not already a member ! hehe: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP

@dynatwenty 7 ай бұрын

Hey, such a nice piece of gear. One question, is it connected Mono to your mixer ? I ask because i ran out of stereo channels and ordered this fine piece! Will it work in mono, i only see one cable so i assume yes ? :)

@LiamKillen 7 ай бұрын

Yes you can route mono / stereo from the TR-8S if that's what you mean

@AVCOME 3 ай бұрын

Hi Liam, first thanks for all your video. Quick question; if i understand the tr8s can be use as a midi controler as the faderfox product? Can you map all the knobs and fader and finally if you map a synth like minimoog vst can you save the setup and recall it later Thank you so much

@LiamKillen 3 ай бұрын

I've only used it as a controller with Ableton, which is easy to do, but if there's a CC list in the back of the TR-8S manual, which I think there is, then you should be able to program those CCs to specific parameters on other units. I'm not 100% sure though because i've never tried this!

@kulgeek. 10 ай бұрын

Hey Liam, great video, do you have the MC-707 curious if it has the same capabilities as well

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

It does! I like the tr-8s layout better though! And it also has acb which the 707 doesn’t - so it remains my choice option!

@kulgeek. 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen noob question what is ACB? Also can you do the same video for the 707 and how they compare pleeeeeeease?

@GuidoGautsch 6 ай бұрын

@@kulgeek.ACB stands for analog circuit behaviour: it digitally emulates the actual analog circuits in the original drum machines from the 80s, like the 808 and 909. If you crank the tune for example, it responds the same way as the original vintage drum machine would. The 707 is sample-based when it comes to drums, so you can still tweak them, but not to the same degree.

@BDKabrini 10 ай бұрын

I named my TR8S "Tracy" ... 😊

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Cute!

@BoomBoomCastLondon 2 ай бұрын

sold.

@LiamKillen 2 ай бұрын

my guy

@nicholascarroll7239 10 ай бұрын

Hey Liam are you experiencing latency when recording the TR8S? I am, even using the ER-M multi clock. The only fix I can find is to set the multi clock to POS/NEG mode, but that causes the TR to start one bar late which is not ideal. I know the multi clock manual says there is a workaround for this, but it isn’t working for me. How do you, or would you, handle this issue? Thanks!

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

There’s so little latency with my computer! I’m not having this issue! Here’s a video that might help: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y8eqiMKhp8ezd6M.html

@nicholascarroll7239 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen That's awesome. So, just so I understand, when you record a kick drum from the TR-8S it is lining up exactly on the beat in Ableton? What are the specs on your computer? I'm running a brand new Macbook Pro with a Motu MK5 interface. If I need to book a session with you to work this out, then I'll be happy to do so. Not trying to steal your time! Thanks again

@robinr22 10 ай бұрын

You need to adjust the midi clock sync delay in the midi settings. Just be aware that you will not be able to match it up perfectly and it will change every time you start and stop. I gave attempting to use external sequencers with Ableton for this reason - you can make it work but it's a fiddly pain.

@nicholascarroll7239 10 ай бұрын

@@robinr22 Thanks for the info. It is really frustrating

@MikeRenouf 10 ай бұрын

Nice ideas for a hybrid setup. ✨🪐

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

You can do so much with just this!

@sonomute 10 ай бұрын

So, your four first tracks sunny acutely produce any sound by themselves and just usedc for the knobs and faders right?

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Yeah they’re just controlling sounds in Ableton

@sonomute 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen would be cool if Ableton tracks could go through those channels and processed by them, no need for midi mapping then...

@CoreySheikh 5 ай бұрын

Can the TR be used as a sequencer of single sounds from Ableton? I havent seen a video from anyone on this yet. Used as a midi control yes, but not to sequence a one-shot, just to launch and then control a loop or a midi made still within ableton (not using the white sequence keys on the bottom). I basically want to be able to replace any channel on the TR with any other one-shot sound that I choose.

@LiamKillen 5 ай бұрын

It's not super clear what you're asking here - you can control a one shot in ableton if it's a loop and you can use the fader on the 8s to punch in where that one shot will happen. Hope this helps.

@CoreySheikh 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for reply! What I mean is being able to sequence midi on a Ableton Drum Rack and/or track with one shot from the TR step sequencer@@LiamKillen

@DJeMo 3 ай бұрын

Look up TR8S abelton Drum Rack There is a guy shows the way @InfiniteSheikh

@chrismacintos6304 10 ай бұрын

Where do i find the link for the blower? I use compressed air right now but i need to buy a can every month or so.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Oops I forgot to include it- I’ll drop it in the description as soon as I get home

@chrismacintos6304 8 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillenI just received my blower. Love it already and my gear loves it too 😊 Thnx for the tip Liam 👊🏽

@dharmaone77 10 ай бұрын

Can you do one on using it as a controller with Logic?

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

It’s essentially the same set up. I’ll consider it !

@3ric908 Ай бұрын

Please 🙏🏻, is it possible to have it in same time with Live : - as drumbox (with separate channels in a group) - as controller on another channel (as eg for Spire VST) - as for global project interface (for mixing faders) …and by clicking from one of those channel to another, having those upper use without having to do anything ? (Hope easy understandable)

@LiamKillen Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's capable of everthing at once except for the "clicking from one scene to the next" - in that case you can just use a launchpad.

@3ric908 Ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen Thank you very much again Liam. In fact I explained badly (I meant by clicking with mouse from one channel to another, and then we get the change from (eg) drumbox (channel A) to controller (a Vst, channel B) without having anything to do. Btw you answered "Yes". Thank you.

@symbiat0 10 ай бұрын

Could you say the same about the MC-707 too ?

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Hmm interesting question- personally I like the layout of the 8s better- plus the classic Roland drum sounds use ACB technology which the 707 doesn’t have. For me that’s a big plus

@symbiat0 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen The 707 has over 3000 classic Roland sounds built in but yeah, it’s ZenCore rather than ACB. I get that ZenCore is less “accessible” 😉 though the SH-4d shows Roland may have figured out how to make it more so. I don’t have a 707 but it seems to have a similar form factor / layout to the TR-8S so wondered out loud 😁

@FRESHENDEAVOUR Ай бұрын

hmmmmm this or Elektron ?! I recently sold all my gear and am starting a-fresh ?!!! thanks!!!

@LiamKillen Ай бұрын

Depends what you're going for really. I tend to lean more towards Elektron though overall from a creative standpoint.

@FRESHENDEAVOUR Ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen mainly a studio piece which can run with a DAW and without for jamming etc. I’d love an analog rtym II but might be a stretch price wise. I was thinking Syntakt as it can run with Overbridge for DAW, too. what are your thoughts on Syntakt?

@dumafuji 10 ай бұрын

Are the sound card specs good?

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

They’re solid!

@k-g-p 10 ай бұрын

Could you do something similar with the Roland TR 6s?

@dharmaone77 10 ай бұрын

You can but there’s only 6 faders and 1 knob per fader- you would want more aux send knobs. I know because I’ve tried this with the TR6S

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Yes- minus the amount of tactile control you’ve got with the 8s

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Exactly

@petro5 7 ай бұрын

do you still use the mc 707?

@LiamKillen 7 ай бұрын

Honestly, no lol. I always just go to the TR-8S.

@Tbull88 6 ай бұрын

I tried to map the mute knobs like if you press MUTE and then press the BD and so on. But Ableton is not receiving midi :( from those buttons :/

@LiamKillen 6 ай бұрын

Yeah you're best just using the faders in that case.

@user-fe6bz3cv1p 3 ай бұрын

I am almost agry with you. Tr8s Will become the most powerfull midi controller as soon as the native mute fonction of the tr8s Will be able to send midi data instead of useless sysex. If you fine a solution to use tr8s's mute fonction to mute track or drum rack pad, let me know... 😅😅

@LiamKillen 3 ай бұрын

haha noted - thx for watching.

@andrerichter8349 6 ай бұрын

Who edit your videos?

@LiamKillen 6 ай бұрын

Me!

@maxxxee 28 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, not a single button transmits MIDI messages and you cannot assign channel selection buttons to turn a channel on or off, scene buttons on a rack with vocal chops and instrument buttons to launch scenes in Ableton and get the world's best phenomenal controller for playing live on 11 channels.. ((Roland said no.. not this time(

@LiamKillen 23 күн бұрын

I would just use the faders for volume control. I would recommend the APC-40 MK2 as an Ableton controller ! it's very dope! Also would love to have you over in the Discord: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP

@MrJansteiner 10 ай бұрын

I actually don’t understand what you mean by “fade to grey”? A filter cutoff? What parameter are you controlling in Ableton with this?

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

It’s a stock Ableton DJ FX- I’m not 100% certain what exactly what it does but there’s like a filter / delay / reverb thing going on and I use it all the time!

@MrJansteiner 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen Ah, cool. Must check that out. Never heard of it before. And thank you for the video. I actually have a TR-8S but never used it as a controller. Not sure how it would compare with my Akai APC40? 🤔

@symbiat0 10 ай бұрын

Also a great 80s track from the band Visage 😂

@bloopbleepnothinghere 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen Fade to Grey is an EQ3 and Delay with the knob mapped to GainMid and Delay Wet/Dry :). With any of those Ableton macro effects they are just racks so you can unfold them and see what they do.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

@@bloopbleepnothinghere Oh! This is good to know! I might be wrong on this but i'm assuming there's a resource where people have made their own (dope) Ableton fx racks that are open to the public. Would you happen to know of this resource?

@bistrobmusic 10 ай бұрын

Roland has gotten some flak over their "green led" products but I've had a lot of fun with the Verselab, I think the product wasn't marketed well.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Green led I’m not sure what that means

@NicholasSeamans 10 ай бұрын

He is talking about how green the first gen airas where

@RobotSnake 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if this would be doable with stand-alone.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

With just the tr-8s? Def not- maybe if you threw like an MPC / 404 in there 😏

@RobotSnake 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen I mean, would that work on a Push 3 Standalone. Sorry I wasn’t clear. But I’ve seen people do sets on just a tr8s and a looper or some fx pedals. I’m trying to shrink my live rig and thought the Push 3 would help. It’s amazing but that pause between loading tracks just won’t work so I’ll at least have to have another device. I keep going back to 3-4. Gear is amazing but playing live is complicated! Currently I’m using RYTM, MPC live and 404. All mk2. I was thinking if this worked with a push I would have something for transitions while I load something new.

@robinr22 10 ай бұрын

@@RobotSnakecould just load everything into a single project?

@RobotSnake 10 ай бұрын

@@robinr22 You could but I don’t know if the standalone could handle that much.

@robinr22 10 ай бұрын

@@RobotSnake I guess you'd have to be super careful with track management - from the little I've read, it doesn't seem the beefiest set up...

@marcosrotllan 10 ай бұрын

Mmmm I still prefer the novation launch control mkii

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

Another solid option

@Drrolfski 10 ай бұрын

@9:10: A 2-dollar paintbrush will also get the job done just fine.

@LiamKillen 10 ай бұрын

It’s not as convenient though. I find myself cleaning gear more with the air blower

@Drrolfski 10 ай бұрын

@@LiamKillen But then again, you have way more gear than your audience as KZfaq basically pushes you into a GAS. With the pieces that I have an air blower is nice-to-have. Also, it consumes energy.