Libertarian Challenges Sam To Most Unproductive Debate Of All Time

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9 ай бұрын

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@eltoppdog 8 ай бұрын

Unproductive!? Sam got a libertarian to yell "Ayn Rand DESERVED her welfare!" AND it was a short call!! Best libertarian caller ever!

@aleks-33 8 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@JacksonMurphyhaha 8 ай бұрын

This comment deserves more likes lmao

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

@@JacksonMurphyhaha You deserve more compliments for your dashing moustache

@Moizsh10 8 ай бұрын

Tbf, everywhere I look they all believe she deserved her welfare.

@bobinjc 8 ай бұрын

Funny! 😁

@ZS-bg7jo 8 ай бұрын

Libertarians: We want all the protections of society and none of the responsibilites ...

@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын

See also SovCits.

@assdan27 8 ай бұрын

They heard "having your cake and eating it too" and missed the fact that it was a criticism.

@user-pn5lr9wm9i 8 ай бұрын

Correct!

@Hevlikn 8 ай бұрын

Privatise the profits and socialise the costs, but if it was social theory not economic

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

@@madreese69 it's all shades of "I should get what I personally need" type of philosophy which explains why there are countless types of them and they all disagree with each other. They tend to be young because at that age they still consider the environment they grew up in as natural, almost god given, as if the things it provided to them are provided automatically in every system. And they rebel against that environment and want freedom to do whatever they want while still implicitly relying on getting everything they were always relying upon

@Tibyon 9 ай бұрын

I'm not a libertarian, I'm an objectivist, anyway let me take twenty minutes to tell you why every other libertarian is wrong

@sophiophile 8 ай бұрын

So many libertarians object to being called libertarian because it appeals to contrarian personalities.

@ngotemna8875 8 ай бұрын

@@sophiophile They are the epitome of being contrarian though. No critical thought, just "guberment bad! Taxes theft! >:("

@66Sixxy 8 ай бұрын

@@sophiophileThis may be part of the reason it was so satisfying when Rand Paul's neighbor beat the crap out of him.

@bitchywoman 8 ай бұрын

@@66SixxyOMG I remember having my coffee and watching the news that day.. it was hilarious.. I laughed so hard and called my husband and told him about it.. he didn’t see the humor of the non aggression principle politician getting his ass beat by his neighbor while on his riding mower 😂 so much for the “we all agree not to be violent to each other” ideology.. the entire thing falls apart even between neighbors.. some people just need to get their smarmy asses knocked off their tractor.. a truth that was around before Rands infinitely deep philosophy

@Shadowman4710 8 ай бұрын

The delicious irony of all this is that the original concept of Libertarianism was developed by socialists.

@danielx1224 9 ай бұрын

The smile on Emma's face as soon as she hears "I'm an Ayn Rand fan" is priceless

@powbobs 8 ай бұрын

I made the same face.

@georgesears934 8 ай бұрын

I like the slow turn and dead eyed stare Sam does to compliment Emma's glee, the perfect duality of man "Teeheehee!" and "I am so done with this conversation and it's just started."

@andyghkfilm2287 8 ай бұрын

It’s like face of a lion who has spotted an Outback Steakhouse

@AJBeamish 8 ай бұрын

Yah. Totally the same look we all had.

@TheVerendus 8 ай бұрын

Sam made the exact same sound that I did when he said that too haha

@ComradeCatpurrnicus 9 ай бұрын

"I'm an Ayn Rand fan" *immediately loses debate*

@ComradeCatpurrnicus 9 ай бұрын

@@horacesheffield7367They leave out that she's a complete hypocrite too, she loved government assistance with taxpayer money... for herself.

@DanNorton1 8 ай бұрын

@@ComradeCatpurrnicus No, that's a smear. I have a video on my channel about it. It's titled, "Correcting smears of Ayn Rand: Social Security and welfare."

@leparfumdugrosboss4216 8 ай бұрын

"Theft is bad but taking native American land and genocide them was fine because they were lazy" is a bigger contradiction of hers in my opinion.

@82Jaster 8 ай бұрын

And Emma smiles right when he says that. She knows exactly what's about to happen.

@ComradeCatpurrnicus 8 ай бұрын

@@DanNorton1 I don't have to watch another video trying to launder and justify her hypocrisy with the argument that literally everyone has for using social programs. Look at it however the F you want, "it was stolen from me, I want it back" or "my tax dollars helping me and not just the ultra wealthy is nice", the outcome is the same, a society where the elderly (just like Rand) don't have to fall into poverty in old age. It is cute that you Rand fans, and presumably her, think that had the government not taken that small amount out of her earnings to give back later, that she, and all other elderly people, would be in a better situation. There's a reason why as much as many old people dislike the 'thought' of social programs that help people, they sure do love and fight for the ones that help them when they need it...

@Dhamma_Nomad 9 ай бұрын

I’ve never had many life goals. I’m just really happy I’m not a Libertarian.

@CallofDutykemStrikes 9 ай бұрын

yea, I mean sure, too much government is bad but we need some basic level of regulation and central power to have a functioning society or everything would descend into chaos in a day. I'm just suprised that they believe soceity would fuction at any level if we take away the governments ability to regulate.

@GymMusic-xq4nu 8 ай бұрын

I once went to a sherrod Brown Town Hall the affordable Care act. There were tea party demonstrators yelling at us against Obamacare. As we Departed, I had to rest because my neuropathy in my feet and ankles what is the tea party or this was walking by😅 and I told him that we need the ACA so that diabetics with pre-existing conditions can get healthcare. He then churches head and said," not my problem."

@danbridges4755 8 ай бұрын

You're absolutely killing it at life then

@darwinism8181 8 ай бұрын

@@CallofDutykemStrikes The problem you have is a lot of people take the simple premise of 'government shouldn't be all-encompassing' and take it to mean 'every part of government except the parts I personally approve of on a shallow level are bad, no I do not understand how any of the parts I want to abolish uphold the parts I like'

@MustbeTheBassest 8 ай бұрын

@@GymMusic-xq4nu"Not my problem" is a constant in the libertarian philosophy.

@kcolonelx6181 9 ай бұрын

The only thing I find interesting about Libertarians is trying to guess how long it will take before they completely contradict themselves. The over/under is usually 5 minutes.

@candaceewell9582 8 ай бұрын

Can confirm!!! I have a friend who is libertarian and on food stamps 🤪

@Gee-xb7rt 8 ай бұрын

libertarianism is a perfectly good thing, like conservatism, however the Murican rightwing maligns both of them continuously. they are neither, they need therapy.

@kcolonelx6181 8 ай бұрын

@@Gee-xb7rt Yes, libertarianism is perfectly fine until you turn 8 years old. Then you need to grow up.

@TheHuxleyAgnostic 8 ай бұрын

@@Gee-xb7rt They aren't talking about lowercase "l" libertarianism, in general. They're talking about far right wing US Libertarianism/Objectivism (Any Rand), sometimes drifting into batshit crazy ancap land. Many on the Murican right, many Republicans, actually pretend to have Libertarian beliefs, and promote those beliefs, but are fascists, when push comes to shove.

@TheHuxleyAgnostic 8 ай бұрын

@@Gee-xb7rt And, there is nothing "perfectly good" about Libertarianism/Objectivism.

@rookpwnd 8 ай бұрын

The Libertarian spent the whole time trying to say facts dont care about your feelings, all for Sam to say "so whats your point?". Its insane that he didnt have a point to make from there.

@dudeist_priest 8 ай бұрын

Truly one the the libertarians of all time

@IMatchoNation 8 ай бұрын

Ayn Rand: "True things are true." (tautology) Libertarians: "So profound!"

@JeremyStreich 8 ай бұрын

SAM: So what?

@danielx1224 9 ай бұрын

Libertarian: "Matt argued by saying it doesn't have any content or meaning" Plankton: "CORRECT!"

@andyghkfilm2287 8 ай бұрын

Plankton: “AND YOU’RE ALSO WRONG!”

@w0ody16 8 ай бұрын

Sam's attempt of miming that he was hitting a bong and everyone's reactions after this bizarre caller sent me over 😂

@amberwilliams8240 8 ай бұрын

Matt saying "WOW" made me laugh so hard

@Ethan-gb3zh 8 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see that clip on @MajorityReportOutOfContext

@amberwilliams8240 8 ай бұрын

@@Ethan-gb3zh is that on Twitter?

@Ethan-gb3zh 8 ай бұрын

@amberwilliams8240 yeah, I had the @ wrong tho. Its @NocontextMR

@amberwilliams8240 8 ай бұрын

@@Ethan-gb3zh thanks. I'll look it up. Sounds hilarious

@julius7539 8 ай бұрын

He lost the debate as soon as he said he was an Ayn Rand fan

@philipvipond2669 8 ай бұрын

Unironically, the 101-level "But like, what if this is all a dream, man?" is significantly more advanced Philosophy than Objectivism.

@MicheleGardini 8 ай бұрын

If objectivism were a philosophy, then dudeism would be too. With greater right.

@Jorge-np3tq 8 ай бұрын

Exactly, they are like "reality is real I'm so smart" when in actual philosophy it's pretty much consensus that's not necessarily true and you could be a brain in a jar.

@philipvipond2669 8 ай бұрын

@@Jorge-np3tq The first step in understanding the value of empiricism is knowing that our perceptions of reality can be flawed, or even completely false. "Reality", such as it is, is just what a majority agrees is real... objectively measurable things, like mass and energy. We build up from that. But the further we go, or the more abstract, the less it's possible for "A is A" to have any meaning at all. I mean, speaking of abstract, what even is "A"? If we take Rand literally, it's a letter. At best, it's a variable. Either way, it has absolutely no meaning except for what we arbitrarily assigned to it. And this is her fundamental principle of objectivity? What a joke.

@Lime_Pillows 9 ай бұрын

Everytime a Libertarian calls in Sam gets another Jetpack and Non-Aggression Principle wallet insert for his wall of political trophies.

@Returnality 8 ай бұрын

Imagine citing one of the most basic (maybe even the most basic) rules of logic and thinking it's something profound.

@EvilGreens 8 ай бұрын

It kind of is profound. There was a time when this was not a formalized concept. We stand on the shoulder of giants.

@Returnality 8 ай бұрын

@@EvilGreens Lots of things were understood intuitively without being formalized concepts. You can't function in the world without presuming the law of identity. Maybe there is some profundity to that, but it's not some special or unique aspect to any system of thought unless you're contrasting with certain Eastern philosophies. We do have Aristotle to thank for formalizing logic so that we can talk about things precisely. What Aristotle did was essentially the equivalent of inventing math. He is probably the most important thinker to ever live.

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

@@EvilGreens it's not profound, it's a simplistic stopgap based on incomplete data. We don't actually know if our will or wishing or praying can affect the world or not because we don't fully know the nature of consciousness and reality. We don't see consciousness or free will anywhere, we see atoms interacting with each other and we see ourselves as dumb automatons and we don't see any external influence on this dumb world of atoms that would constitute free will or consciousness. And yet we exist and we don't feel like our life is watching a movie, like atoms playing your life for you, something that you identify with is seemingly in control Until we fully understand who are we and what is our life, these rules of logic will remain our own made up coping and trying to construct illusion of certainty out of thin air to make ourselves feel better

@ngotemna8875 8 ай бұрын

@@Returnality It's like, everybody knows if you have 1 stick and gather 1 additional stick that you now have 2 sticks. 1+1=2 This concept is sth even babies understand. But have you ever seen the mathematical proof on that? Bonkers. It's like this meme about "The missile knows where it is by substracting 'where it is not' from the entire map" Tens of thousands of years humans knew and understood this concept of addition, but only in the 18th century or so the proof got discovered.

@a.a9021 8 ай бұрын

People like you call it "basic" only out of ignorance. Clearly your small brain cannot comprehend that there was a time, before Ayn Rand invented this concept, when reality actually DID bend to your wishes and you really COULD make things true just by wanting them to be. No one talks about this

@nellurban7826 8 ай бұрын

i will never get sick of listening to these people willingly come on the show just to get absolutely dunked on by the entire team

@No_co_OK 8 ай бұрын

I actually found this depressing to watch, and I'm not even libertarian. They were just gratuitously being scumbags to this caller and taking a lot of pleasure in doing so.

@HammerStudioGames 8 ай бұрын

@@No_co_OKsuuuuuure, you're not a libertarian, JUST like the caller!

@ngotemna8875 8 ай бұрын

@@No_co_OK Bro, libertarians ARE scum They won't directly admit it, but what they believe in would hurt and kill millions of pooor people. And they are not only content with that, but would consider it a "objective truth" that if their perfect system cannot support those humans they deserve to die. So sorry i don't have patience or sympathy for people who are only 2 steps removed from being nazis who advocate for euthanasia based on genetics rather than economic standing. I know, they don't SAY it, cause they are cowards or not smart enough to actually thibk those premises through to the end.

@No_co_OK 8 ай бұрын

@@HammerStudioGames I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that I am more progressive than you are. I just don't understand this idea that I need to like someone just because they happen to share the same politics as me. Someone having the same politics as me doesn't change the fact that they can be a bully and someone with absolutely no emotional intelligence.

@mikegoetz3184 8 ай бұрын

@@No_co_OKscary how these platforms are all about agreeing and no debating.

@ProtossHyrdalisk 8 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that if you’ve lived a bad life, you’re reborn as a libertarian. Sure hope that’s wrong.

@powbobs 8 ай бұрын

Either that or a slug; it’s a coin toss.

@bpdmf2798 8 ай бұрын

Re-incarceration

@bpdmf2798 8 ай бұрын

@powbobs Slugs are cool.

@imnotmike 8 ай бұрын

Why, are you saying you've lived a bad life and are going to have to come and debate Sam in your next life?

@mj.l 8 ай бұрын

@@imnotmikeonly the really masochistic ones

@brentwalker8596 8 ай бұрын

The look on Emma's face when the caller said he was an Ayn Rand fan. Priceless.

@JonathanMartin884 8 ай бұрын

Libertarians really _love_ hypotheticals and theocraticals. Strange that the person who only wants to speak in hypotheticals is the person who claims to be an "objectivist."

@BryanBrooks 8 ай бұрын

That’s just basic logic. No wonder a libertarian didn’t understand them.

@LinkRocks 9 ай бұрын

Sam was like, "This shit again? OK, I'll school this libertarian again."

@ProtossHyrdalisk 9 ай бұрын

Oh thank god. My Tuesdays are so long because of graduate school. Sam and gang, thank you. Insane libertarian caller, also thank you.

@eljoel89 8 ай бұрын

Imagine being a weeb for capitalism, but you didn't read the manga and skipped half the anime...

@screwintuna 8 ай бұрын

The failed bong bit at the end was the hardest I’ve laughed in a while

@stephaniestephen79 8 ай бұрын

Same! 😂

@LiftedGamingLoL 9 ай бұрын

Thank god. I thought they had got lost on coconut island or got shot by sam(who has the biggest gun) trespassing on his property while practicing nonagression

@absoluteterror9098 8 ай бұрын

I'm surprised he didn't check to see if Same updated his chat room policies

@1000huzzahs 8 ай бұрын

Ayn Rand died sad, impoverished, and alone, having accomplished none of what she truly wanted to accomplish in her life, which was to become a beloved novelist and screenwriter. In fact she achieved *just enough* success at it to get people to realize how utterly out of her depth she is. No wonder she invented a "philosophy" to make herself seem so much more important and profound than she actually is - and no wonder so many mediocre navel-gazing men are drawn to it.

@sypherthe297th2 8 ай бұрын

Well you know the old saying. . . "Those who can't do. . . start a religion."

@BlueSpawn 8 ай бұрын

But she did become a beloved novelist. Decades after she died, hundreds of thousands of people read her work and respect it, whether they’re libertarian or not. There are many who hate her, but that’s true for just about any major figure.

@sypherthe297th2 8 ай бұрын

@@BlueSpawn No. The only people who think her work is worth note are her followers. I've read "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged." They read like c-tier fan fiction complete with self inserts for Rand. Her ego truly knew no bounds in life yet she was an abject failure. She has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than any serious author or even a low bar like a philosopher.

@1000huzzahs 8 ай бұрын

One of her short stories, I enjoyed well enough - in high school. But it was a short story, so she didn't have a chance to ramble on and on and on and on. To my recollection it didn't contain a self-insert. @@sypherthe297th2

@sypherthe297th2 8 ай бұрын

@@Nick-o-time Terrific. Now I have the lowest form of human, a tankie, responding to me. At least with people like you around I know there's at least two flavors of people, brown and red fascists, thinking they're going to seize power and put a bullet in the back of my head. I do like options. You're welcome to try at any time.

@ProtossHyrdalisk 9 ай бұрын

I’m so glad I get to live on this planet with libertarians. Honestly, what a show!

@Draxtor 8 ай бұрын

People talk about climate crises and stuff but I would argue that a world without libertarians would be a total catastrophe 😂😂😂

@timothyburke6949 8 ай бұрын

I really thought it was a bong hit.

@Perkunas84 8 ай бұрын

Next to creationists they have to be the next most dense humans on the planet.

@bertthompson4748 8 ай бұрын

Libertarians, flat earthers, christian and muslim apologists, 3rd positionists, sovcits, climate deniars, moon landing hoaxers, redpillers and so many more groups of ideological morons make our days more interesting.

@tonywilson4713 8 ай бұрын

*I'm Australian and do you guys know that people like Charles Koch have been exporting this across the planet?* RIGHT NOW here in Australia we have a referendum to change out constitution to formally recognize that the country had an existing people with their own culture BEFORE British Colonization. It would set up a "Voice to Parliament" that's based on the systems the Nordic countries set up for the Sami people of Northern Scandinavia. It has taken years to set-up and get organised and was (at first) widely supported across the country. It now looks like failing due to a vicious misinformation campaign running on straight up fear. The public front of the "No Campaign" is lead by 2 well known Aboriginal with links to *American Libertarianism.* Both have worked with or for Australian Libertarian think tanks (yes we have them too). The most notable among those think tanks is the *The Institute of Public Affairs* (IPA). Not only does the IPA have links to a string of Australian billionaires including the Murdoch's (and yes Rupert & Lachlan are both radical libertarians) but it openly admits its links to America's Libertarian think tanks including the Heritage Foundation and CATO Institute. *Go and look at its home page here on KZfaq and scroll down to its links.*

@elisawhitman8526 8 ай бұрын

Sam debating some random libertarian always takes me to a happy place. 😊

@franciscoacevedo3036 8 ай бұрын

Once the dust settles almost all voting libertarians will become fachsist. They realize eventually that rugged individualism is garbage and they resort to bundle of pencil ïñbrèdnēkcs. Which is literally a bundle of wood sticks

@stevenkriste1912 8 ай бұрын

Libertarians make me feel smart

@Average_Brad 8 ай бұрын

This caller has spent too much time breathing his own flatulence.

@HollowApollo1 8 ай бұрын

"I'm an Ayn Rand fan." "Ew."

@TheMrSuge 8 ай бұрын

This clip reminded me of a refrigerator magnet I once saw. "I hate being bipolar, it's awesome !!!"

@danikahholdman2609 8 ай бұрын

This was so brutal. Damn, I’m dumb af and even I knew where this was going. How could that caller not realise if he just thought a little bit more he ‘argument’ falls apart. 😂

@paulababula9621 6 ай бұрын

Same, I'm also really stupid

@jacobotto5954 8 ай бұрын

Emma’s response to the bong rip was great

@daze3x87 9 ай бұрын

Sam raises a good point. What's the point of this phone call? I was hoping for a juicy debate but this shit was so boring I had to pause half way

@LinkRocks 8 ай бұрын

The guy just wanted to promote his crappy channel.

@claffert 8 ай бұрын

@@LinkRocksI think he was trying to place some kind of logic trap. Try to convince Sam to commit to agreeing to some vague nonsense idea without context, thinking he could then force Sam into conceding some other point, else be a hypocrite or wrong. And I think Sam was trying to cut to the point of asking what is his end argument that he wants to make with this idea, but caller didn't know how to handle Sam not falling for this. It was 10 minutes of him basically saying, "no no Sam, you are doing it wrong. Come step into my trap so I can win! You aren't stepping into my trap!"

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

@@claffert yeah, it's a very typical tactic of religious folks and any people with abnormal beliefs. They focus obvious things that others can agree with, and then automatically assume that as proof of their beliefs. "So you do agree that we don't actually know what that thing was on that video? Hence it must be aliens!"

@Praha175 8 ай бұрын

@@claffert the question is what was that other point? my gut was telling me it was an anti-trans thing... but idk, it could have been something about black people or a lot of things

@claffert 8 ай бұрын

@@Praha175I had the same gut feeling. That he wanted to make a claim regarding what he perceived as an objective reality, while ignoring that a cultural construct can be a lot more nuanced and can't so easily be broken down into an oversimplified model of "A is A".

@wyattnoise 8 ай бұрын

I literally lost it entirely at Sam's ever so subtle "oooh" when the caller mentions he is an Ayn Rand fan lol

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

It could've been "ew"

@CSGraves 8 ай бұрын

@@NJ-wb1cz I interpreted it as 'ew' too... seems the most natural reaction to hearing Rand's name.

@SasquatchAtTheSpaceDisco 8 ай бұрын

So, the foundational statement of his philosophy is, "I'm rational." That's not an argument. It's a framing device that allows him to think that all his subjective opinions are unquestionable fact. But anyone can do that. Think of the MLs who've made the word "materialist" meaningless through overuse. Or the youtube atheists who fetishised "reason" while veering to the far right.

@raunetteelkins8698 8 ай бұрын

Sam's "who cares?" just ruins so many of these deep philosophical ideas. It must be so upsetting to people who believe they've grasped some universal truth.

@wvu05 8 ай бұрын

Indeed. If A=A, what is the B that leads people to this goofy philosophy?

@chocolateleftisttanuki3690 9 ай бұрын

Oh god hes a ayn rand fan this is gonna be hilarous😂😂😂😂

@TimiTamminen 8 ай бұрын

Sam is like the final World of Warcraft 40-man raid boss to these libertarians, nobody has found a way to beat him yet because he’s just too powerful… We might need the moderators to step in because at this point it’s just unfair how effortlessly he dominates them every single time

@Asrahn 8 ай бұрын

Libertarian Forum post: Nerf Sam Seder pls

@derekarnold2077 8 ай бұрын

gotta beat that enrage timer with Sam Seder, he'll wipe you if you're taking too long!

@spades1288 8 ай бұрын

I really thought that this caller would cry by the end.

@fiddymen 8 ай бұрын

"I am Sam Seder, blade of Social Security, and I have never known defeat"

@bobinjc 8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure that I've ever learned anything from these libertarian callers but they sure are entertaining.

@JimmyNuisance 8 ай бұрын

They never have anything new to say, they're just sure everyone else "just don't get it" so they try to explain it over and over and over and over.. They never tire... They literally think the rest of us are just too dumb to understand the most BASIC system EVER... And when we try to explain to them that they're essentially just going to drag us back to feudalism with rich lords dictating our lives, they really can't see it... It's completely impossible for them to understand the A to B to C of that whole thing.. Completely oblivious to how rich people will exploit the poor... They literally think we "just don't get it" cause we're too stupid... It's like having a child try to explain how cows can sleep standing upright by telling us about the strings that connect all cows to the sky... A kid constantly trying to convince us of the strings, that's what Libertarianism is.. "but seriously though, let me tell you about the strings again, I'm sure I can make you understand this time."

@menotyou8369 8 ай бұрын

I've learned one thing from them, there are a whole lot of adults out there who never grew up.

@bobinjc 8 ай бұрын

@@menotyou8369 lol, you got that right!

@BobfatherGaming 8 ай бұрын

A = A isn't just a tautology, it's like the most basic form of a tautology you can possibly make.

@leparfumdugrosboss4216 9 ай бұрын

I was very hyped when he said he would reveal us the secrets behind one of Ayn Rand's philosophy's main axiom, and kind of disappointed by the tautologistic platitudes that followed 😢

@Felix.Dragon. 8 ай бұрын

Also, it's kind of weird for him to credit Ayn Rand specifically with the law of identity. It dates back almost 2000 years. On top of that, the caller never goes anywhere with it.

@TheDesertRat31 8 ай бұрын

Is it me, or do libertarians have an excessively desperate need to tell people they think they are smart?? They must be permanently dizzy with all their circular reasoning..lol

@sbrownie 9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 perfect way to wind down a day. Thanks Sam and crew!😂❤

@alfredindy8058 8 ай бұрын

Ayan Rand drawing Social Security has always been a sore spot for the libertarian cause. I don't know why - Paul Ryan drew Social Security in college.

@Vincent-fo7xp 8 ай бұрын

Paul Ryan I believe used Social Security money from his parents to pay for tuition I think

@rsr789 8 ай бұрын

@@Vincent-fo7xp Which also makes him a hypocrite.

@alfredindy8058 8 ай бұрын

@@Vincent-fo7xp Surviver Social Security because his father died. Most people in his position would have developed a respect for the program since it aided him.

@jadistucker2073 2 ай бұрын

That looooooong schlorp at the end is honestly the best part of this video lol 😂😂

@bigdaddyaen 8 ай бұрын

I've always thought the idea that private militias and courts could maintain society, and that an actual free market will invent jetpacks so we won't need roads were silly ideas....But that was because I've never considered that A=A.

@powerboon2k 8 ай бұрын

"I'm an Ayn Rand fan." "oooh" Best response ever.

@colebashor1099 8 ай бұрын

"I'm not arguing for objectivism" 2 minutes later "I'm not a libertarian, I'm an objectivist"

@rexfeatherstone9251 9 ай бұрын

Immediately clicked on the video after seeing the title. Of course it was Dan Norton. The king of Employer Island.

@andregordon2599 9 ай бұрын

Ahhh, nothing like a good libertarian (/ridiculous) debate to wash out the taste of a weird news week

@MasterDoctorBenji 9 ай бұрын

If you make it quick... Sam can't help himself huh

@AgitpropPsyop 8 ай бұрын

Watching Emma just barely try to hold back her laughter is probably my favorite part of every libertarian caller video.

@ww7883 8 ай бұрын

I had a Twitter chat with a Libertarian. After going back and forth a bit, I asked, "Give me an example of a Libertarian society or culture that has worked."

@jum90 8 ай бұрын

Look up Mexico

@NotAUtubeCeleb 8 ай бұрын

Sam makes this point often, and I agree with the conclusion, but it's not logically sound. At some point, no gay marriages were legally recognized so you could make the same argument and claim they fail because "no gay marriage has happened yet" but clearly this previously untried thing of gay marriage works.

@ww7883 8 ай бұрын

@@NotAUtubeCeleb I see what you're saying. The comparison of individual relationship type to a complex set of cultural structures (or no structure at all/anarchy) isn't exactly apples to apples. In all fairness, every form of government, society, or culture has an expiration date.

@KD-ou2np 8 ай бұрын

@@jum90 mexico is not libertarian in the slightest

@NotAUtubeCeleb 8 ай бұрын

@ww7883 Let me re-state my argument more directly in case others don't see what Im saying. There's a difference between "no country has tried a system" and "every country has agreed that this system would be bad so they don't try it". The former doesn't prove anything while the latter would but it's impossible to prove.

@sproductionsinc 8 ай бұрын

Why does one need a philosophy in order to understand obvious concepts? Yes. You can't just wish things away. Thank you for sharing your superior knowledge. I wish that I, myself, would've thought of this, if only wishing worked, but alas... I'm merely an intellectual peasant. Praise to Ayn.

@ampere11 8 ай бұрын

Wow. I wanted to understand what the hell the caller was trying to say, because he sure wasn't correctly expressing the law of identity. So, I looked up what Rand said about the law of identity. It literally sounded like Deepak Chopra. The law of identity is axiomatic and tautological. It's only value is that it allows for logical coherence in reasoning. If I say a cat is not a dog, the law of identity allows us to determine if that statement is logically sound and valid. Since cats and dogs have discrete identity (because of the law of identity) we can apply logical reasoning to the statement. That is literally all the law of identity is doing. It has nothing to do with facts and feelings.

@ecyor0 8 ай бұрын

"Ayn Rand was justified in taking welfare because she was reclaiming what was stolen from her!" Now, do you think libertarians would apply the same logic to workers reclaiming their stolen wealth from capitalists? I have my doubts, personally.

@66Sixxy 8 ай бұрын

Thanks, I needed that laugh. The "bong hit" was amazing.😂

@Draxtor 8 ай бұрын

“Emma invited me” = Emma’s fault for staying overtime 😅😅😅 and thank uuu 😊

@greatone2155 9 ай бұрын

i was hoping he'd just do his intro for 7 minutes like a hedeicker skit and then hang up

@caseyryanmather 8 ай бұрын

This WAS entertaining, actually. I laughed so much. The title you gave this clip was so on point.

@naota3k 6 ай бұрын

Bro really called in to convince you that real things are indeed real.

@ScoothofWrathchild 8 ай бұрын

These people call in only to leach viewers off the show and Sam doesn’t mind them plugging their stuff because he knows no one who watches Sam is ever going to go over to your channel after you look so bad in these calls.

@davidleanza4498 9 ай бұрын

Ayn Rand say A=A, but on the other hand ASOFAI says "Do you know what the realm is? It's the thousand blades of Aegon's enemies, a story we agree to tell each other over and over, until we forget that it's a lie."

@invisiblek5783 8 ай бұрын

Belly laugh with the bong hit LOL. Thanks for the excellent start to my day.

@CSGraves 8 ай бұрын

The caller inadvertently explaining why everyone deserves social assistance while defending a famous opponent of social assistance... solid gold!

@mikecaetano 8 ай бұрын

I've heard Christians trot that "Aristotelian law of non-contradiction" line out before to justify their absolutism.

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

That's because it can be equally used to "prove" literally anything. Facts are facts so my facts (whatever they are) must be true

@rsr789 8 ай бұрын

@@NJ-wb1cz Facts are demonstrable, and these leptons have ZERO demonstrable evidence.

@fuzzymcwazzy1293 8 ай бұрын

I was lost from the beginning, and it only got worse as the "debate" went on.

@ritaostrum2433 8 ай бұрын

I'm glad I wasn't the only one!!

@Zatzzo 8 ай бұрын

I've been waiting for at least two years for another libertarian caller. Now i love life again (and i haven't even watched it yet).

@oksamuel 8 ай бұрын

Emma’s grin the first time he says “Ayn Rand fan” warmed my heart 😊

@petertreid 9 ай бұрын

You can't change the fact that Ayn Rand applied for and accepted Social Welfare...

@vincesmith2499 9 ай бұрын

You mean Social Security she had been forced to pay into all her adult life?

@leparfumdugrosboss4216 9 ай бұрын

And as such she was influential and started a lasting tradition amidst libertarian thinkers of do as I say not as I do.

@Eon-Blue 9 ай бұрын

@@vincesmith2499Yes. Just like taxes we are forced to pay into our entire lives. Peak Libertarian cope

@wvu05 9 ай бұрын

@@vincesmith2499 Laura Ingalls Wilder's daughter not only refused Social Security (and she applied for Medicare six years after the program started, so even if she reached the cap, she paid less than $2000 in taxes), so apparently principles didn't matter to Rand when those medical bills came in and she found out the hard way that she was wrong about smoking and lung cancer.

@vincesmith2499 9 ай бұрын

@@horacesheffield7367 Were you trying to make a point there? LOL. There should not be mandatory Social Security. But since there is, it's not wrong to want it back after you retire.

@jonathangeraci1285 8 ай бұрын

Sam is wrong. That call was very entertaining.

@Jopasd 8 ай бұрын

The ease with which objectivism crumbles: it's popularity lies in its ability to purr at gullible narcissists that *_their_* subjective is *_reality's_* objective. 🤦‍♂️

@Walter-Anderson 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for this. I really needed a chuckle today.

@DanielOrteez 8 ай бұрын

Wow! No way! A libertarian that's not a libertarian?!

@Burnzy494959 8 ай бұрын

Poor dan. You can see Sam's patience for the ridiculous ideas driving these calls diminishing😂 he used to have fun with them and be very patient, now his tolerance for bullshit seems basically gone.

@noalowenstein6741 8 ай бұрын

Emma laughing "what the fuck" is the best part of this vid

@IntravenousNews 7 ай бұрын

Emma’s growing smirk through the first few minutes is my favorite

@52flyingbicycles 9 ай бұрын

A is A is so trivial it isn’t even a mathematical axiom. The axiom of extensionality is For all of X and all of Y, if for all z, z is in X if and only if z is in Y, then X equals Y Meaning two sets are equivalent if they contain the same elements.

@ProtossHyrdalisk 9 ай бұрын

A = A is an axiom. Axiom of identity (Law of Identity). Im pretty sure. Though who cares? You think that libertarian has ever taken a discrete logic course? 😂😂😂

@52flyingbicycles 8 ай бұрын

@@ProtossHyrdaliskthe law of identity isn’t in ZFC, which is the axiomatic basis for higher order mathematics. You got extensionality, regularity, schema of specification, pairing, union, schema of replacement, infinity, power set, and well-ordering (choice). Even Robinson Arithmetic, which are axioms for first order math, don’t have an explicit axiom of identity. Its equality axiom is For all X and Y, if the successor of X equals the successor of Y, then X equals Y. The axioms of identity for Peano arithmetic, slightly more versatile than Robinson, are about the additive and multiplicative identities, not equality. The closest I can find is For all X, X is not less than X Which means “less than” or “greater than” are not reflexive

@ProtossHyrdalisk 8 ай бұрын

@@52flyingbicyclesI literally have no clue what you’re talking about. And as someone who’s in a graduate level discrete math course, im a little concerned. No need for set theory. The argument being made by the caller is A is equivalent to A which is certainly an axiom for proofs. It’s really not all that important.

@52flyingbicycles 8 ай бұрын

@@ProtossHyrdaliskfinally! Someone in my native field is challenging me in my native field! Either way, we can agree the axiom of identity isn’t exactly groundbreaking philosophy lmao. At least Descartes included thinking and being in his axiomatic basis of reality

@wgjung1 8 ай бұрын

Ayn Rand was not a philosopher. She was a science fiction writer who started her own religion called Scientology.

@danielzimmerman5837 8 ай бұрын

Ummm, that was L. Ron Hubbard.

@wgjung1 8 ай бұрын

@@danielzimmerman5837 I can't tell the difference.

@powbobs 8 ай бұрын

@@wgjung1 Ok, that was good.

@swissarmyknight4306 8 ай бұрын

@@wgjung1 FINISH HIM

@Jopasd 8 ай бұрын

This guy! I loved the "what someone who's never encountered a philosophy imagines a philosophy to look like" and "how do I know you're not all a dream". 😂

@KitaBFawkes 8 ай бұрын

"Most libertarians are anarchist." Um... no? Most American "libertarians" are capitalists and statists. Signed, an actual anarchist

@KD-ou2np 8 ай бұрын

Well they think they are anarchists in the sense that they want to abolish govt and power structures but then also are willfully blind to the power structures inherent to capitalism.

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

So in your anarchist future you want to ban capitalism and state? Who exactly would enforce this ban and why?

@KitaBFawkes 8 ай бұрын

@@NJ-wb1cz Didn't say we wanted to ban them. Please show where we say we wanted to ban them. Also, banning them would require a state, which is a thing we oppose the formation of. So, we'll wait. Go ahead. Show where we said we wanted to ban something. Or, if you can't, go ahead and show where we said we think there will be an anarchist future. We'll accept either.

@NJ-wb1cz 8 ай бұрын

@@KitaBFawkes Nah, I completely agree. I also don't think that there will be any anarchist or libertarian future, and that both are magical fantasies. I guess that makes me anarchist and libertarian

@VenomSnake420 8 ай бұрын

@@NJ-wb1czme. Cause they hurt me and my friends. Simple as.

@slappypap2700 8 ай бұрын

Why is ayn Rand still a thing?

@johnbriggs3916 8 ай бұрын

Essentially, because of American Capitalism. In other countries, even where Capitalism is fetishised, Ayn Rand isn't a thing.

@bilosdiogee410 8 ай бұрын

Omg, Emma’s “wtf” was the funniest shit I’ve seen all week, I bursted out laughin, so perfect

@glenwiffen7188 8 ай бұрын

Love you guys, love this segment, but I have no idea what it was about. To quote the Status Quo ' Now That's A Fact'.

@user-pn5lr9wm9i 8 ай бұрын

Am I the only one who almost feels sorry for this guy? 😂

@JMBvideo 8 ай бұрын

Meh. Dont. 99% of libertarians seem to be fairly well of younger white dudes. But I cant figure out why that is the case

@IRGeamer 8 ай бұрын

Yes. "I don't have a problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to know." - anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality

@user-pn5lr9wm9i 8 ай бұрын

@@JMBvideo yeah, true. But listening to someone so obviously out of his depth getting dunked on by the whole panel was painful! Hopefully he evolves his political position past that of a privileged 14 year old lol

@BlueSpawn 8 ай бұрын

I feel sorry for anybody who claims to support consent and then contradicts themselves by saying that other organizations can violate it because their name starts with “Gov” and end with “ment.” Oh, but we need it for safety and order! Please look up the concept of “means don’t justify the ends,” then leave this planet.

@user-pn5lr9wm9i 8 ай бұрын

@@BlueSpawn please direct me to a real world example of a complex society that functions without government. (Hint, there are no examples. Libertarianism is ridiculous utopian nonsense.)

@Shadowman4710 9 ай бұрын

Poor old infertile Dan.

@williammclellan1334 8 ай бұрын

I think this caller also tried to pull this same kind of thing on the David Pakman show a little while back. He was equally dispatched as he was here.

@simonmacconmidhe9489 8 ай бұрын

Ayn Rand didn't discover or create the law of identity in logic. That reality is mind independent - that reality exists outside our minds, is objective in being independent of the mind, and that the mind does not determine reality - in either an epistemological sense or an ontological sense, does not follow from the logical postulate of the law of identity (A = A). Many idealists actually argued for reality as mind dependent in part *because of* the law of identity. Ayn Rand is not a good introduction to philosophy. Libertarians always like having some kind of "intellectual" means of supporting their fascism and giving their fascism a kind of theoretical alibi, one that makes it seem intellectually or theoretically sophisticated; ironically, their attempts always fail miserably when they come up against anyone who is actually informed and learned about the subjects they want to use in this way. Unfortunately, Sam and friends aren't really equipped to appropriately dismiss such posturing. Also, A = A *is* a tautology (it is necessarily true) if you agree with this as a logical postulate - calling it a tautology is not a criticism in itself, if something is a tautology then its logical form means it is necessarily true. It is not a valid critique to say that it is a tautology.

@slaugmromni6743 9 ай бұрын

A = A is not an Ayn Rand principle. It’s a foundational logical law that goes back to at least Aristotle. Edit: I think this guy is right that the law of identity is foundational to all rational thought. But I also think he doesn’t really know what the law of identity is. (For those wondering, A = A basically means everything is identical with itself, and everything holds this relation to itself and nothing else.)

@liamsloan5410 8 ай бұрын

I was actually getting more mad at Matt because his only criticism of the law of identity is that it is tautological.... so? Is it wrong? That's a fallacy fallacy which means that he's assumed it's incorrect because it is fallacious, which is not true for the law of identity. You would have to assume the law of identity is right to prove it is wrong.

@sophiophile 8 ай бұрын

What Ayn Rand did was take the foundational mathematical/logical axiom of identity, and essentially use it the same way that woo-ey pop philosophers attempt to use principles like superposition and indeterminism in quantum physics in entirely inappropriate ways- and I think that people who know that identity is important to (symbolic) logic but are too lazy to actually study and understand it allow her to take them on some wild ride saying wannabe-profound things (that can bear some resemblance to a linguistic statement resembling A = A.)

@bertthompson4748 8 ай бұрын

@@liamsloan5410yeah i know. A tautology is just true by its own merit within a worldview. But why does the law of identity have anything to do with libertarianism?

@liamsloan5410 8 ай бұрын

@bertthompson4748 it doesn't... I mean it applies to libertarianism as much as it does to any other political ideology.

@bertthompson4748 8 ай бұрын

@@liamsloan5410 i wonder why he was so obsessed with it. Maybe i can set up a debate with him and find out

@DanNorton1 9 ай бұрын

I’m glad Sam took my call. Thanks to Sam for letting me post my calls to The Majority Report on my channel and for letting me mention what my channel is. A playlist linking to my first three calls can be found on my channel. I've also called in to Matt Binder's show to debate capitalism; that debate is one of the recent videos on my channel. Finally, thanks to the many of you who have checked out and subscribed to my channel!

@Tibyon 9 ай бұрын

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@wikiperderp 9 ай бұрын

thanks for being a good sport. they were kind of jerks to you

@ComradeCatpurrnicus 9 ай бұрын

You should really get some better arguments, if even possible for such a garbage philosophy/ideology.

@ComradeCatpurrnicus 9 ай бұрын

@@wikiperderpThey were completely fair.

@Eon-Blue 9 ай бұрын

@@wikiperderpTo be fair, Sam is a very to-the-point kind of person, especially when taking calls. Dan didn’t really make any point other than “facts are facts”. Like okay?

@FlyingOverTr0ut 8 ай бұрын

"I'm an Ayn Rand fan." "Ooh."

@loliejean 8 ай бұрын

Oh, Dan. Bless your heart.

@slimjim1104 5 ай бұрын

I got a childhood friend like this. We are in our 40s now and he is insufferable. High school drop out that thinks KZfaq teaches all you need to know.

@TwoForFlinchin1 8 ай бұрын

The law of identity is one of the three laws of logic. It's pretty hard to have a philosophy without appealing to any logic at all but libertarians are truly built different