Lies and Arbor Gold - An ASOIAF Wine Theory 🍷

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Hello everyone! Today I'm going over a theory as to a certain type of duplicitous wine in #asongoficeandfire.
Be sure to subscribe if you enjoyed this video! What do you think? Is there anything I missed? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? More #asoiaf content is on the way!
Thank you all for watching! I'll be back with more theories next week! Character art in this video is by TheMico!
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00:00 Conspiracy Theories
00:47 Arbor Gold
01:24 Littlefinger's Schemes
02:56 Cersei, Deception, and Wine
04:17 Tyrion and Arbor Gold
05:20 Frey Pies
06:18 Uses Prior to Feast
07:19 Deception in Oldtown
08:34 The Kingbreaker
09:17 A Historical Use (HOTD SPOILERS)
10:30 Importance for Winds
11:05 Conclusions

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@alvaroprieto2092 2 ай бұрын

Arbor Gold is just like CERVEZA CRYSTAL

@fantasyhaven1 Жыл бұрын

If only Lancel had plied Bobby B with Arbor Gold, he would've lured the boar into a false sense of security with some honeyed words

@lawyeroutlaw Жыл бұрын

+1!!!😂

@ArrakisHeir88 Жыл бұрын

Does fortified white wine exist?

@jacobwillard9687 Ай бұрын

“Gods, what a stupid name!”

@paulcourtemanche3549 Жыл бұрын

Love hearing you say Petyr like you’re Lysa getting railed.

@Raymond-vi1ee Жыл бұрын

When he do that 😂

@ArrakisHeir88 Жыл бұрын

Puh-tire

@jeannebouwman1970 10 ай бұрын

petire petire petire

@hecticscone 10 ай бұрын

rip Roy Dotrice v_v

@saatvikkalra6061 5 ай бұрын

PUHTYRE OH PUHTYRE

@serrastark4687 Жыл бұрын

I had a thought as I was listening to this that might add to the theory. If Arbor Gold has an "opposite" in ASOIF, it would be Dornish Red. As I recall, Dornish Red was the drink of choice of the Hound, who famously hated lies. Connection? Might be, could be. At any rate it would be interesting to do a similar breakdown of Dornish Red and it's connection to truth, if there is one, in the books.

@Matt-xc6sp Жыл бұрын

Surely Wyman knows you should pair meat pies with a Dornish Red. Theory confirmed.

@sardonically-inclined7645 Жыл бұрын

I honestly chuckled when I remembered "Oh yeah, that's what Hizdar's hair is supposed to look like in the books.."

@saltlakeatrocity9771 Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Daario Naharis's even more ridiculous book counterpart.

@anguswaterhouse9255 Жыл бұрын

Every time I hear how long it’s been since ADWD breaks me a little bit inside

@ezananigussie3311 Жыл бұрын

12 years is a crazy ass number

@lawyeroutlaw Жыл бұрын

Yeah. 12 years a slave guy would’ve been free by now. So…. It’s been a minute.

@Francis..... Жыл бұрын

This is why I don't call him a great writer. Distractions or no direction or lack of drive, any reason really. A writer would be compelled to get the story out... Great idea but average writer

@ricopena2053 Жыл бұрын

Plus there’s not as many memorable or quotable moments in Feast or Dance as there is the first three books. Ned’s death is in Game. The battle of Blackwater is in Clash. The Red Wedding, the series defining moment, is in Storm. The Euron intro at the Kingsmoot is pretty cool, but I can’t get show Greyjoy out of my head. And Dance has the great line: So young," said Wyman Manderly, "Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would've grown up to be a Frey.

@Human-zx4rb Жыл бұрын

I mean. Jons death is pretty iconic

@Broogli Жыл бұрын

Benjin was the boar , bloodraven was the wine.

@YarPirates-vy7iv Жыл бұрын

In a way, aren't we all the boar?

@borisdorofeev5602 Жыл бұрын

It's so simple

@benclark96 Жыл бұрын

@@YarPirates-vy7iv maybe the real boar was the friends we made along the way

@YarPirates-vy7iv Жыл бұрын

@@benclark96 the boar is the journey, not the destination?

@Buford_T_Justice1 Жыл бұрын

Janos Slynt really knows his wines. He also has friends at court. Powerful friends!

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

I literally just watched the episode of the show where he’s executed. Rad scene.

@minnumseerrund Жыл бұрын

Twist: When the final script for Winds is finally delivered for print its ruined by a spilled goblet of Arbor Gold

@johnreynolds2512 Жыл бұрын

I read the first book when it came out in paperback back in 1997, got Clash in hardcover as a 35th birthday gift from my brother, was walking through an airport coming home from Hawaii and saw Storm sitting there on display. I really enjoy seeing new readers discover these books, new channels come along like Quinn's that give good analyses.

@joaogabrielalves8781 Жыл бұрын

God, if I were you I would already be crazy

@dirtysheepdog Жыл бұрын

Never would have realized this without the fan theorists. Love this idea

@Francis..... Жыл бұрын

Arbor Gold is the premium wine. If anyone buys you premium anything.... Know they want something from you. Or read more, study history. It's not the greatest strategy but it works against the simple

@dirtysheepdog Жыл бұрын

@@Francis..... seems to work against more than just the simple in this story…

@colinplaisance4274 Жыл бұрын

I’m sure it’s been covered before, but it’s interesting that House Redwyne are not Goldwyne and their sigil is a red grape. You can make a white or gold wine by removing the skins. So it seems that arbor gold is just made from red grapes similar to dornish reds but the wine itself is a lie to be presented as something unique. Notice that in the books it’s referred to as singular Arbor Gold. But for dornish wine it’s plural “dornish reds”

@JimRFF Жыл бұрын

I really like the idea that not only is the wine a bit of dramatic irony for us the readers to understand as a lie, but that it's also a lie in-world if the grapes really aren't any better than cheaper Dornish varieties, but the removal of the skins to change the color is enough to trick the average person in to believing it is a "superior vintage" and paying out the nose... after all, power resides where men believe it resides

@colinplaisance4274 Жыл бұрын

@@JimRFF exactly! It really fits thematically

@Lexxir Жыл бұрын

Flayed man + skinned grapes wine = Russ Bolton vampire confirmed

@Levacque Жыл бұрын

If that's truly the case, I imagine the reason why people value Arbor Gold so highly is because they can get completely ripped on it without a proportionately terrible hangover because of the lessened tannin levels.

@colinplaisance4274 Жыл бұрын

@@Lexxir yeah I thought about that but couldn’t make the clear connection.

@Brian-ib2yz Жыл бұрын

This is an awesome observation that I didn’t pick up on as a reader. It reminds me a lot of the use of oranges to signal greed and/or treachery in the Godfather trilogy, and like those oranges I bet being able to pick up on the imagery/symbolism will make re-reads more enjoyable

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

I’m glad someone else thought of the Godfather oranges too 😂

@billychops1280 Жыл бұрын

Quinn you’ve been single-handedly keeping my love of ASOIAF burning and I thank you for that

@Levacque Жыл бұрын

As soon as your image of Ulf White came up, I went, "Holy shit." You cracked the code for sure, and that one seals it for me. GRRM frequently uses his peripheral stories to reinforce the patterns and themes of the main series. I will indeed be looking out for the phrase in the next book.

@VANIT_E 11 ай бұрын

I think any reference to wine from the Arbor is a signal. When Daenerys went to the Western Market, for example, the wine merchant insisted she try the "dry red from the Arbor" (Daenerys VI)

@alexandergangaware429 Жыл бұрын

Preston's "Cersei and Taena" series has a good argument for the Merryweather's being Varys/Illyrio agents, and not Tyrell loyalists

@lawyeroutlaw Жыл бұрын

Now I assume Arbor gold was served at the dinner Tyrion had with the Goldcloaks commander before sending his ass to the Wall.

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

Janos Slynt Moment

@Radar0344 Жыл бұрын

When the merchant tries to poison Danny in GOT, he says it's a wine from the Arbor...

@esjay1999 Жыл бұрын

revisit and discuss some of the Jaime chapters, especially his dreams and what they could mean

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

That’s a great idea!

@mattwarmka1703 Жыл бұрын

I dunno why, but I love the subscribe parrot at the end of your videos. It's got big grade school end of the month newsletter energy and I am here for it.

@WaywardWhiteWalker Жыл бұрын

It's settled then, Wyman wrote the pink letter.

@Bewbscueser 2 ай бұрын

My closest friend who basically prosthelytized ASoIaF until I devoured the first three books in his condo pool while cat sitting just passed away. It breaks my heart that he never found out how the story ends. It breaks my heart that these books so many have a deep and abiding love for will never be finished. It kills me that George has been lying about finishing the books for years. I can no longer watch videos like this because what was once a source of great joy has turned to ash in my mouth.

@sblinder1978 Жыл бұрын

Did you notice? Half the time when Quinn the GM shows images of Arbor Gold the wine pictured is actually red? Who's paying him to spread this misinformation, is it the Tyrells? (With no new books, ASOIAF theories must move into real-world conspiracies, such as whether HBO is paying GRRM to not finish TWOW)

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

It’s the Redwynes, actually. (I meant to have a note about that in the video but forgot to add it, my bad)

@bobbehwitchie Жыл бұрын

What a refreshing change of pace. A theory I have never heard. Amazing theory. I appreciate the work you're doing. Glad I came across ur channel.

@Marcel442 Жыл бұрын

Mate, this was it. This was the post. This was the post that made me hit that subscription bell! I applaud you, ser. Your content is worth more than Arbor gold and Lannister gold combined!

@positive5486 3 ай бұрын

In the first book, when the wineseller found out about dany's identity, he also wanted to have her drink arbor gold

@RiderOfKarma Жыл бұрын

I had an idea watching HOTD that the Hightower’s were secretly using wine to poison Viserys in cahoots with the maesters. 🤔

@michaelamurphy845 Жыл бұрын

Can you talk about what you think will happen to Cersei and her trial?? You’re vids are so amazing

@Lexxir Жыл бұрын

“Littlefingler” 💀

@Valkanna.Nublet Жыл бұрын

Maybe that's what the sex workers call him ;)

@leondzananovic6576 4 ай бұрын

Petire

@staticdynamic1605 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic content.

@richardtabor8686 Жыл бұрын

drankity-goo analysis...love it!!!

@kokai83 10 ай бұрын

Didn’t the wine merchant/ assassin mention Arbor Gold while he gifted a casket of poisoned wine to Danny? Love your videos:)

@hatemalmghawish4283 Жыл бұрын

Hey Quinn! I'm a huge ASOIAF fan from Syria and your content blows my mind every time you present a theory or a debate over a case or a character in ASOIAF, so thank you for your incredible work, but I just wanted to tell ya on little thing please, if you could slow down a little bit while you're speaking bcuz I couldn't catch all the words and for that I'll be really thankful man! Keep going

@byjordi2185 Жыл бұрын

Finally someone actually talking about this theory :D

@CLCHRD Жыл бұрын

that would even fit the tyrion chapter with janos slynt since slynt guessed the wine they're drinking is arbor gold but it isnt and after that there was really no dishonesty or secrets about what happened lol

@jolinefields3460 Жыл бұрын

I know I’m hundred years late here but this is first time I’ve heard this me I am so happy this was great and great style

@jolinefields3460 Жыл бұрын

Wow just had my glass or Arbor Gold with a Dunk and Egg K7K damn🙃 I’m so happy to know it was appreciated and did feel ooohgghhh sketchy and I’m on the road now but I’m glad 😇🤨

@BeteBlanc Жыл бұрын

How do you feel about other false/fools gold references? He can't exactly have every lie tied to a wine. Arbor Gold might be part a more general fools gold theme. We encounter Lem with his Lemoncloak. Sansa and her love if lemon cakes, which might suggest a sort of being fed lies. The lemon tree in Dany's memory suggesting falsehoods about her childhood. The false gold also pops up people describe his use of off gold colour. It might also include references to pee. When Varys trades the wine it's for a baby from a suggestive area of the city.

@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын

It’s like oranges in The Godfather, whenever they show up there’s about to be some bloody business

@annavafeiadou4420 10 ай бұрын

It's like the oranges in the Godfather

@akeelyaqub2538 6 ай бұрын

Lies or not, nothing will change the fact that Janos slynt has friends at court. Powerful friends!

@vincentsempiternalis3935 Жыл бұрын

Perfect intro

@ecclesiasticman4417 Жыл бұрын

peTIRE☠️

@Lexxir Жыл бұрын

Been listening to the audiobooks too much

@Rhaenyssupporter Жыл бұрын

oh peTIRE 😣

@tempertempernow Жыл бұрын

Yeaaaaaassssss🎉

@borisdorofeev5602 Жыл бұрын

Juices and Chins theory or Almost a Man Grown theory next?

@jenny_of_oldstones3523 Жыл бұрын

When in doubt BLAME BLOODRAVEN and LITTLEFINGER!!!! 🤪🤪🤪🤪

@GR-ym8po Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the spoiler warning....most don't do it

@lawyeroutlaw Жыл бұрын

Also this reminds me of a confusing detail to me in the books. Everybody seems to praise “Dornish Red” as some kind of superior wine. But isn’t Dorne basically Dune/Arrakis? Have you ever tried growing grapes in the desert? I have my doubts that it can possibly be the spot for ideal vineyards. Am I wrong?

@lightscorer1320 Жыл бұрын

Parts of it yes but the Greenblood (basically the Nile) runs through it and would be a great place for growing grapes (I think)

@bsword0311 Жыл бұрын

Grapes grown in hot climates generally grow bigger and are sweeter because they can grow easier, this makes it so when they ferment the extra sugar makes the wine more alcoholic, this could explain why everyone loves Dorneish wine because it is more alcoholic

@qwopiretyu Жыл бұрын

There's no such thing as a single biome nation. If there's no arable land you can't have a nation because you can't feed an army to protect it. You need SOME domestic food production so obviously Dorne can feed itself as it's been independent longest and most.

@johnnye87 Жыл бұрын

IIRC Dornish red is generally described as "sour", but not necessarily in a derogatory way as it does seem quite popular and expensive. The implication seems to be that Arbor gold is sweeter and more palatable than more punchy and "obvious" Dornish red. Like a good lie, it's attractive and easy to swallow.

@dmcboi Жыл бұрын

Sounds a lot like Cool Aid! Mmmhhm keep drinking the Arbor Gold

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah!

@MrHotSalsa Жыл бұрын

When i read "arbor gold" I'm like alright who is getting tricked

@face8374 Жыл бұрын

Fingler.

@socalchago Жыл бұрын

That's a bit like theorizing that there will likelv be violence when the author mentions a unsheathed blade. If characters are drinking arbor wine, it means 1) they are rich and 2) they have free time. Asoiaf characters who are rich and have time on their hands are definitely up to no good But more importantly, how often are charachters deceptive without the author mentioning arbor gold? Most of the series is about people lying to each other and to themselves

@ToucanBinks Жыл бұрын

👍

@co94 Жыл бұрын

As much as I enjoy ASOIAF, I cant take many more theories ha. I sometimes think the Collective has mapped out so many paths and turned over so many stones already that GRRM is having too difficult a time furthering the story. Hence the delay. Ill be happy to be wrong, but I am losing faith that he will finish the books.

@Valkorion9872 Жыл бұрын

The way Quinn just pronounced Petyr at 2:05 made me have a stroke.

@leondzananovic6576 4 ай бұрын

Roy Dotrice pronounced it the same way in the audiobooks.

@astrinymris9953 Жыл бұрын

What I want to know: Why did the artist choose to render Cersei with blue eyes and Sansa with green eyes? 😉

@nirekin2760 4 ай бұрын

Sansa is a secret Lannister. Dun Dun Dun

@EFFLUVIUMWRITING 9 күн бұрын

little fingler

@arjunsandhar578 Жыл бұрын

@ayiza8511 Жыл бұрын

Yea Wynann manderly is a cannibal

@gh1430 10 ай бұрын

Anybody else stuck with calling petyr the way Roy Dotrice pronounced it? 😅 calling him PETER Baelish always throws me off.

@robertfaucher3750 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't Manderly mention Arbor Gold?

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

I talk about that in this video!

@robertfaucher3750 Жыл бұрын

@@QuinnTheGM I spaced out lol

@jkelsey555 Жыл бұрын

1:14 clearly a red wine, sloppy sloppy sloppy. jk nice video

@johnmitchell4043 Жыл бұрын

Is 20 mentions really a lot? Doesn't seem like much to me

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

It’s a lot given that those mentions pretty much start in Feast, and happen over two books. It’s also a lot that they all have some tie to dishonesty.

@Bakasama04 Жыл бұрын

First

@infinitekreacher99 Жыл бұрын

First to comment. Last to get laid.

@bensonfang1868 Жыл бұрын

This theory makes me wonder what house redwyne’s endgame is.

@leondzananovic6576 4 ай бұрын

I believe that they'll overthrow the Tyrells for Faegon.

@thebadasswolves1374 Жыл бұрын

136th viewer.

@jenniferpearce1052 Жыл бұрын

Pi-tire???!

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

It’s from the audiobook

@jenniferpearce1052 Жыл бұрын

@@QuinnTheGM Really? Wow. Thx

@Wolfchildgirl Жыл бұрын

Lol I just got Robert Baratheon as my dream date. 😅 I thought it might be fun and I’d love to try the Arbor Gold but then again, I might get an STD or his super sperm may bust through my birth control so I’ll have to pass. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@indigo8722 Жыл бұрын

PUTIIIIREEEE OHHHH PUTIIIIREEEEEEE

@spliffertonsheldrake6007 Жыл бұрын

"Peh-tire" ?? lol

@elainemarie8725 Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t Prince Aegon poisoned by his favorite wine “arbor red”?….

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

I believe so! Lots o’ wine poisonings near the end of the Dance.

@trippinzombiez Жыл бұрын

Pitire, really lol

@BobHoss4 Жыл бұрын

For the Algorithim 😘

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

Blood for the algorithm gods

@BudravenOG Жыл бұрын

Peh tyre lol

@pyropulseIXXI Жыл бұрын

I don't get your joke. Dwarves is Tolkien and dwarfs is the 'correct way,' so why would "ourselfs" be if you are a Tolkienist? Ourselves is literally the 'Tolkien form.'

@Cheattoe Жыл бұрын

Sanity is for the weak

@fakeskyler2305 5 ай бұрын

puhtire

@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399 Жыл бұрын

You shoildve done this video while drunk

@Francis..... Жыл бұрын

Germ is not that great a writer. I enjoy, Love the story of ASOIAF As for Arbor Gold... If anyone is spending great amounts of money.. they usually are trying to deceive or impress you beyond what is reasonable. They bigger the party, the bigger the scam

@kennyhudson9201 10 ай бұрын

Sounds about right. Weddings are two people deceiving each other and themselves.

@christopherlewis1315 Жыл бұрын

Its Pronounced "Peter," not "Puhtire." Please stop listening to the audiobooks, Roy Dotrice mispronounced so many names! 🤦‍♂️

@ZachSparks614 Жыл бұрын

Why tf are you pronouncing his name Puh-tire? I had to stop the video as soon as I heard that twice.

@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын

It’s a reference to the audiobooks, that’s the pronunciation there.

@j3fr0uk 6 ай бұрын

Poor dude wrote himself into a corner and to actually be considered a great, he's gotta over come this.. Kinda like a wine turnin sour, GoT leaves a crappy taste in the mouth lmao...