Pros & Cons of Residency and Fellowship for Physical Therapy School

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Pros & Cons of Residency and Fellowship for Physical Therapy School

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Dr. Justin Lee, Doctor of Physical Therapy

5 жыл бұрын

An entry level DPT program is typically 3 years. During this schooling, you learn all the subjects of physical therapy:
Peds physical therapy
Neuro physical therapy
Ortho physical therapy
Acute care physical therapy
Geriatric physical therapy,
Vestibular physical therapy
Sports physical therapy
Musculoskeletal physical therapy
+ more
However, once you finish your entry level program, a student can decide if they want to continue their post-doctorate program and pursue further studies in one of these fields.
For example: I am thinking of pursuing an ortho residency after my 3 years of DPT school.
Residency is generally 1 year.
Fellowship is generally 1 year.
For a total of 5 years if you choose to go all the way.
Both the residency and fellowship requires students to be involved in research. Check out my research presentation for DPT school: • My FULL Research Capst...
PROS:
Mentorship
Full-Time Job (getting paid)
Full-Time Benefits (Medical, PTO, etc)
Prep for the Specialist Exam (OCS, NCS, PCS, etc)
CONS:
Pay Cut (60-80% of full-time salary)
1-2 years delay in working as a full-time salary PT
Have to participate in research
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@drjustinleedpt 3 жыл бұрын

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@TorresD92 4 жыл бұрын

Your videos are very helpful. Thank you for setting time aside to create these videos.

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Diego, I appreciate your gratefulness! If there are questions or topics you want answered/questioned, let me know! Thank you for your support my man!

@SOLOHeyman Жыл бұрын

Residencies are a waste of your valued time and experience from PT school. Don’t take a pay cut for some letters after your name. Have confidence and get out there to find the specialty you want instead of paying others to do it for you.

@jenniegodoy8054 5 жыл бұрын

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@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Jennie Godoy YOURE awesome!!

@jacobkissman3693 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Justin! I love you videos man! Really appreciate all the information and guidance. You talked alot about what a residency is and all the benefits, which has made me strongly consider pursuing one. Can you make a video or talk a little more about why you would further specialize in a fellowship after already completing your residency, getting that OCS, and hopefully being offered a job?

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

Whats up Jacob. Thanks for sharing your input and it make me really happy knowing that you were inspired to even consider doing a residency. I could definitely get that video out - and i think I know just the way to do it. We have a fellowship instructor working at our DPT program and I think it would be awesome to have her talk about that subject. Now the trick is.... I got to convince her to do an interview with me... LOL But if she doesnt, I can for sure get that video out. Thanks for sharing and supporting, as always! Let me know if there is any way I could support YOU!

@jacobkissman3693 4 жыл бұрын

@@drjustinleedpt thanks so much for getting back to me! That would be an awesome video that I would love to see, and I'm sure alot of others would too! I hope you can convince her to do it LOL! 😂 Yeah I just switched my route from Pre-Med to Pre-PT, and your videos have been an incredible guide to an inside perspective on PT and your experiences, so I can't thank you enough. 🙏 Keep grinding man! You're going to make an awesome PT.

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

@@jacobkissman3693 Yessss I hope so too! I think she would be the type who would be down, but you never know.. professors and youtube - for some reason they think its the devil haha NICE BRO! Both paths are great paths, but if your the type thats not really into medicine and more of a "conservative route" approach, then PT is the best way to get there. Im very very very glad my videos have been helpful for you - literally makes my entire week when I get comments like this to hear feedback on the impact its making and the value its giving. Really appreciate your kind works Jacob. Ill definitely try to get that video ASAP!!! Let me know if there is any way to support you bro.

@ishie0196 5 жыл бұрын

When doing a residency, are you paying to be in the program while getting paid for the work you do? Or are you just getting paid as you work?

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

ishie0196 that’s a good question! You pay for the application/initial fee, but you’re also getting paid as you work too. Different programs do it differently but usually it’s a paid internship. Most of them are full-time so you’re also getting benefits too

@danielk1661 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! Thanks for this video. Can you talk more about fellowship as well? Do we also work with full benefits and get some alphabets to decorate our name after it's done? Is the pay better than residency? If you're an expert after residency, then does fellowship make you experter? lol. Sorry about lots of questions. I'm starting PT school in the fall and wanted to do some research about what to do after school.

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Koo hey those are excellent questions my man! First off I wanted to say congratulations about getting into PT school. I know you worked super hard to get to this point. Second, a supplementary video on residency and fellowship was actually something I wanted to do! So I will definitely be addressing these questions. But for now I’ll try my best to answer everything I can! A fellowship is something that you get into after doing a residency. A fellowship helps you focus even more into a specific niche that you want to get into. For example there are spine fellowships and movement science, sports, manual therapy fellowships in Southern California. I heard sometimes you don’t get an increase in your salary because you’ve gone through a fellowship, but I’ve also heard that other places honor it and will give you a salary boost so I guess it depends where you apply. And most fellowship programs give your those letters too haha

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

And lastly, don’t ever be sorry for asking a lot of questions 👍

@drphysio3872 5 жыл бұрын

Hy...I am undergrad PT student being in final year...I want to do internship in medical emergency once in life...can u plz tell me the imp of ER experience for a therapist?

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Dr Physio the point of a PT seeing a patient in the ER or critical care unit is it quickly asses the safety of the patient and be able to recommend difference assistive devices, continual care, and services that the patient may need to be able to restore prior level of functions. The ER is a special place because everything is very acute. But it’s a good experience to be able to see injuries that JUST happened. And it’s also interesting to not only see ortho related cases, but also Neuro too, or a combo of both. Like motor vehicle accidents, strokes, spinal cord injuries, etc. I would recommend it!!!!

@drphysio3872 5 жыл бұрын

@@drjustinleedpt thanks a lot for so much encouraging response...I am ready to join one month ER internship💓

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

@@drphysio3872 You're welcome! Do you already have an internship lined up?

@andrewruiz4388 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Justin! I will be starting my DPT program this fall and I'm am already thinking about residency (i know, it's a little early for me to be thinking about it haha). I just have a few questions: are residency programs competitive to get in to? and are they similar to DPT programs in that they accept applicants by small cohorts?

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Andrew Ruiz hey man I’m excited for you!!!! It’s never too early to think about it. I started thinking about it just a couple months after I started lol I kept going back and forth on if I should do it or not, which is why I made this video haha Residencies are pretty competitive... usually hundreds or thousands apply, and only a few get accepted. Of course it depends on where you apply, but most places usually only accept like 1-4 students a year 😱 and so that being, I’m not too sure how “cohorty” it can be with such a small size you know? At least in my opinion I think of a cohort with at least 7 students or so.. Which residency program were you thinking?

@andrewruiz4388 5 жыл бұрын

@@drjustinleedpt Thanks for the reply Justin! So far I am interested in specializing in either ortho or sports, but I am honestly going into school with a very open mind and I'm willing to look into other specializations too. Thanks for letting me know about how competitive residencies are, I'm glad to know about this early in my career so I can plan accordingly. Do you know if PT school GPA matters when applying to these residencies?

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Andrew Ruiz yeah bro! Anytime I could help is a great time. I actually do not know if they matter.. I heard it doesn’t. But I know that most programs will have you actually do a full evaluation on a real first time patient, and your CI will be in the room grading you... DAMNNNN. That’s nerve wrecking haha Yeah bro! Keep an open mind. A lot of students thought they would have pursued ortho, but then they changed to other subjects

@JohnDoe-mt6gb Жыл бұрын

Hey man how did it go

@Petertaguinodd 5 жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on an “over-educated” PT lacking experience in the field

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Great question! I dont work at a PT yet, but from my experience from rotations and from my knowledge, this is what i know: education is huge! and having the knowledge to provide to your patient is so powerful. I remember i underestimated this concept, because i just wanted to "treat my patients" but it turned out that i learned that the power of patient education can have just as much of a healing effect as treatment - my clinical pearl Bottom line, experience in the field is MUST. Having a lot of knowledge is great, but if it's not applied, then whats the point of it? the ideal world is high education and high experience, which makes an EXPERT. That being said, residency and fellowship is the FAST TRACK to being an expert. The 2 years it takes to go through post-doc schooling may take up to 10 years of experience if you did not go that route. Not saying its the wrong way, but its a very time-efficient way to be the best!! Plus, along your res/fellow you will gain personal mentorship, and attend classes to further your expertise and education

@drphysio3872 5 жыл бұрын

After graduation in which fields residency for PT is available?& what is duration of residency?is a residency student have clinical rotations with clases??

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Dr Physio hey! That’s a great question!! There are a lot of options out there and it really depends on where you are looking into. Here is a website of options available: www.abptrfe.org/apta/abptrfe/Directory.aspx?navID=10737432672 But typically you have options of: acute, neuro, ortho, Peds, geriatrics, sports, and more. You can get into these right after graduating and getting licensed after DPT school! Usually in Residency you are actually “working” as a PT and on the side, you have several hours of mentorship to go over skills. They also provide education courses throughout your residency program. So all in all, you got paid while going to courses and you get clinical experience as a PT

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Dr Physio are you in PT school now? Not sure if you’re in the US or not

@drphysio3872 5 жыл бұрын

liftforchange....thanks for info...its my last year of DPT

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Dr Physio youre very welcome! Glad to answer it! Oooooo which program are you in?

@link2442 3 жыл бұрын

So it's been a year, have you since started residency? You mentioned pay cut, how much cut are we talking here?

@drjustinleedpt 3 жыл бұрын

I actually got waitlisted then rejected from residency. But from what I heard instead of making like $30-35 an hour you make about $20-25 an hour

@link2442 3 жыл бұрын

@@drjustinleedpt That's pretty decent, what factors do you think lead to the rejection? Is there a percentage that pass and thos who don't? Just started my college career plan as a PTA, and willing to push for PT later on

@drjustinleedpt 3 жыл бұрын

@@link2442 I would say a lot of things play into the roll of rejection but I personally think that personality plays the biggest roll. Residencies want someone who can display leadership but also humility, an eagerness to learn. If you come off as arrogant and know it all, then you will for sure be rejected.

@SOLOHeyman Жыл бұрын

Lol what a joke! People are not only willing to take 30% less than their peers, they’ll get on a list for the hopes of making less! You dodged a major bullet my friend!

@ShadraqsVids16 4 жыл бұрын

Do PTs that go through residency and fellowship always have a greater salary than PTs who didnt or does it mostly depend on how you market yourself?

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

Outta Breth you know, they should right?! But sadly, some places don’t really give a big enough raise for having that. But.. you can always market yourself as a specialist and also bargain for higher salary

@mrraiderific 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Justin! So I understand being in a residency or fellowship program you are working during that time with a pay cut, but I am curious of after you finish that program and pass the test and are now a certified specialist will that lead to you making more money when you start working??

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Hey zack! Awesome question dude! Yes typically you will be getting paid more as a full time certified specialist PT. of course it depends on the location of your residency and full time job, but generally you can assume that. It may be different if you end up working in a private setting. Same goes with when you get your fellowship. Which residency field are you applying to?

@mrraiderific 5 жыл бұрын

liftforchange thanks for the response! And no idea yet haha, I just finished my first year of undergrad so still a while away lol I was just curious about the potential differences in salary

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

Nice bro, you’ll get there! And by even thinking of it already is a huge step! What classes are you in now? On track with pre-reqs?

@mrraiderific 5 жыл бұрын

liftforchange yup i am on track and solid with prereqs, now just trying to figure out where i wanna transfer too after this year because i am at a community college right now!

@drjustinleedpt 5 жыл бұрын

@@mrraiderific that is dope man. you dont know how awesome it is to know that you're already thinking that ahead! And your're smart for going the CC route, saves you a lot of money. where are you thinking of transferring to?

@zoenoel7431 4 жыл бұрын

Do you get paid more for being a specialist once you pass the specialist exam?

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

Zoe Noel definitely! you can negóciate this to have you start out at a higher salary. Unfortunately however, the raise isn’t as high as you would think

@zoenoel7431 4 жыл бұрын

@@drjustinleedpt Thank you!

@ericpham991 4 жыл бұрын

Justin! I'm late to this video but I wanted to ask how hard/competitive is it to get into a residency program? Is it very selective, how many applicants are accepted? Just curious, thanks!

@drjustinleedpt 4 жыл бұрын

Eric Pham hey Eric! It is pretty damn competitive to get into a residency program. Most programs will only have 1-3 slots available PER YEAR. and I’m sure at least hundreds apply, depending on the popularity of the program. Usually they will have the pool of applicant, then narrow it down to several interviews and mock evaluations, then they choose. So... yes, pretty competitive!!! But... residency/fellow for sure allows more of the “networking” component, compared to just academics and grades. So..... if that interests you, you better get your talking face on! Haha