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Lightest ADV Bike 2024 Kove 800X Super Adventure
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6 ай бұрынI have been keeping an eye on Kove in general, and I do have a particular interest in the arrival of the Kove 800X Super Adventure.
I am still hoping this is the closest thing yet to the bike I have been waiting years for.
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@beborodner930 6 ай бұрын
I hate that NONE of the other manufacturers are makijg this bike. It took a Chinese company to listen to the people. And good for them they should be rewarded for it.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
i remember a story, these new Japanese companies started to sell into the British market, the long established British companies called them names and said they were crap, Those same British companies sat on their laurels smugly, thinking there is no way they will sell here. The rest is history shall we say. You would think the Japanese would know better, but they dont seem to care anymore.
@scannorse 6 ай бұрын
Why not just enjoy the real deal instead of dreaming about something else ?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@scannorse which would that be? i enjoy riding anything with 2 wheels tbh 🙂
@oknevals 6 ай бұрын
Husky 701?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@oknevals more of a dual sport than an ADV bike, just like the AJP, neither has a rear seat which is no use to many of us
@garytong3395 6 ай бұрын
So, after 3 year of riding a GS1200 and throughly enjoying it, I promised myself something lighter, more nimble, more fun on the trails. I'd decided on either a Kove 450, or a DR650 and throw some money at it.......The DR won. The Kove was too focused. Anyway move forward to today and I think the DR may be a stop gap until the 800X arrives😊. Mind you the mind is willing, the body now relies on ibuprofen 😂 Great commentary as always BareBones and many thanks. Stay safe and keep it the right way up👍
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
if the PR7 had rear pegs i would be tempted to go that way, but it doesnt, I have been considering buying a bike to use in Spain and leaving it there, so I have been looking at the Reiju Aventura and the Macabor Montana, the Montana is a Kove 500 in a Spannish dress, but the Aventura looks an interesting bike, Huge fuel tank and rangec, and most Spannish roads make a 500cc bike plenty 🙂
@garytong3395 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Now, there are two bikes I hadn't considered. No, totally happy with the DR, although most of it is at the powder coaters at the moment 😄. Let me know when you're in Spain. I'm taking a trip to Morocco this year, so from here in Southern France I've got to go that way. 👍
@MrEtnorb 6 ай бұрын
My super modified DR790 weighed 188kg with 10L of fuel. I'd take a chance on the 800 given what I know now.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@garytong3395 where are you in France? still debating if i do across France again or do the Santander ferry both ways 🙂 but there is a 3rd plan i cant talk about 🙂 if you send me a message here barebonesmc.com/contact-us/ i will send you my personal email so we can chat better
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@MrEtnorb tell us more 🙂 is that a DR650 chassis with a DR BIG block?
@FirstnameLastname-pe3ky 5 ай бұрын
I didn't know Churchill was narrating motorcycle videos now. Old chap is full of surprises, even a century after his death.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
bloody hell, im not sure i like that comparison 🤣🤣🤣 But ill fight the shitty autogenerated AI bike videos on the beaches anytime 🙂
@billfischer9887 5 ай бұрын
How did Churchill lead England through WW2 if he died over a century ago???
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@billfischer9887 lol
@bluefrog8670 5 ай бұрын
He'll never, never, never quit.
@quattrobajeena8954 5 ай бұрын
As for Kove's Dakar attempt this year... Think about it. Fang is a novice in Dakar, relatively speaking, so Kove only intended to let him absorb some experience this time; as for the other three veteran factory riders, Sunier suffered a severe bone fracture in late November 2023, therefore realistically he wouldn't be as competitive (though he did manage to complete the whole race like a man of steel, hats off to him); Xavier retired early due to a crash; this left their goal of reaching top 20 entirely to Neels, and having only 1 competitive racer means the tiniest amount of bad luck would result in a screw-up. And it did happen. Considering these and that Mason's new version of the 450 Rally would inevitably suffer some reliability issues at its debut, especially when ridden with an aggresive style, actually Kove did reasonably well.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
I totally agree. there were always going to be bumps along the road. It is how you bounce back from the bumps that counts 🙂
@MotoProspector-pv6wf 6 ай бұрын
I didn't really know about the 800x, Obviously I knew about the 450 Rally about a year ago. Now I'm obsessing over this 800x.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
lol, have you seen the 400 four pot? and the 450 and 250MX bikes too?
@Paul-67 6 ай бұрын
Kove has gained a lot of respect in the Dakar rally. Good for them for releasing a 800.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
I first spoke about it early last year, here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r72GqKdl0ru5o5c.html i will be glad when it actually lands. cheers for watching
@skiphalbakken6499 6 ай бұрын
I think one of their biggest hurdles is going to be dealer and parts network(USA). I’m interested in the Kove 450.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
yep, we have GPX in control here too, im not sure if they are holding many parts, but from what ive heard the factory are doing well at posting parts out pretty quick, we will have to see
@colinbowman8816 4 ай бұрын
Have you been on the Kove site lately? There aren't a ton of dealers, but there is at least one dealer in 21 states already.
@barebonesmc 4 ай бұрын
@@colinbowman8816 GPX are running a model im not so fond of, and they do seem to be short on dealers here as well as in the states. but selling many of the Kove models will cost them sales to the GPX bikes. so they seem to have less interest in the Kove range than specific bikes. its a complicated plot 🙂
@patkennedy1 5 ай бұрын
Many hurdles for Kove getting one of these to world markets: establishing dealer networks, changing western pereceptions of Chinese manufacturing, and that is before future supply issues are contemplated. But good on Kove for attempting such a bold project - to produce the lightweight, twin-cylinder ADV bike so many of us want. The best part of Kove's achievements at this stage may be their project putting pressure on the larger established makers from Japan and Europe to also work on making their 'middleweight' models lighter, and thereby more manageable in the tighter situations we may be nervous about taking our heavier current models. In my case a new Transalp, which is a surpisingly good machine for its price really, but still rather heavy in comparison with this Kove's CLAIMED weights. I chose the Transalp in spite of some reservations, primarily for its relative weight compared to, say, the 800DE Suzuki, but this Kove claims the size and weight of my old air-cooled Cagiva Elefant 750, which provides something for the other makers to aim for. If it indeed comes in well under the weight of the rather sublime (but expensive in Australia) Aprilia Tuareg, they will have pulled off quite an achievement. We will wait with interest to see how the final version arrives in western markets!
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
wise words well put mate 🙂Cheers for the comment. Ride Free 🙂
@Zt3v3 5 ай бұрын
The seat looks nice a low, that alone would fill a needed spot in ADV lineups.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
i think its a little higher than their 500X but not as high as the KTM,Tuareg or Norden for sure. Another that would fit that point is the Rieju 500 Aventura. 840mm seat height but it's sculptured seat makes it feel lower, AND you get a 40ltre fuel tank set up :-) There is something in the pipeline where i will be looking at this bike and some others soon :-)
@victorsturdivant4731 4 ай бұрын
KOVE is the best mass produced ralley bike in the world . I really want one but short of the bike "Tinkerbell" dropping one on my doorstep, it isn't happening. Same for the 800. Sadly, I could, and would sell a ton of these for KOVE just by exposure and my referral. (I've been riding for over 50 years mostly on Enduro and Dual-sport bikes) and was a decent racer in the past. At 67 years of age I would gladly ride the 450 or 800 in full China People's Republic regalia. I like being quietly different anyway. Good report.
@barebonesmc 4 ай бұрын
did you see the news re the resignation? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8ifYKionqfXaZc.html
@victorsturdivant4731 4 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Yes, I was sad to hear/see it. He struck me as a remarkable man with a great deal of real world recognition. I really liked this guy. I trusted him and his mission. I'm not so sure now.
@barebonesmc 4 ай бұрын
@@victorsturdivant4731 there are a fair few of us saying similar. I wonder where he will pop up next as im sure it isnt the last we will see of him
@mattcaine7614 6 ай бұрын
“Weighs less than a horse” should be on a t-shirt or maybe you could sell it to Kove Marketing Dept
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
lol, glad i made you smile mate :-) I thought it was an apt comparison :-)
@DatBikerDude 6 ай бұрын
Great Vid! We'll be getting an 800x in April. Gonna Upload a Video then, in English
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
I look forward to it my friend, I will email you, hopefully we can work out some collaboration, Does Kove have much of a presence over there?
@Paul.C300 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting, this certainly sounds like it could be a winner on paper, what the US and EU regulation's will do to this bike when it eventually hits our shores is another matter altogether! I've really been enjoying your channel, something for everyone, good man, keep it up.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
thanks for your support 🙂Cheers for adding your bit too mate. Ride Free 🙂
@wiredwebmaster Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@barebonesmc Ай бұрын
cheers mate, for future reference, if u donate via youtube, they take most of it, there is a donation link in the description where all the money comes to me. and lets face it, they dont need any more :-) it is appreciated though, ride free my friend
@pepedafrog6951 5 ай бұрын
the idea ia cool, the problem is reliability and service/support in the long term. folks are having a hell of a time getting simple things like a simple broken clutch cover replacement.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
what, with the 450 Rally? remind me, where are you? Ive heard here there is sometimes a 2 week lag but i havent heard of any non availability yet, I have noticed the alloy nav towers being made as aftermarket to replace the plastic ones that come as standard. something Aprilia did too which i think is silly
@pepedafrog6951 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Galicia Spain. my brother had the problem. But here in Maine, US is the same issue. No dealers, no service departments and local shops do the basic stuff but will not service many things like electronics, ECU updates. They say they dont want to touch those machines.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@pepedafrog6951 i thought GPX were sorting parts distribution in the states? I will ask here see if i can get the clutch cover happily see if i can help hoping to get to Galicia next tour in Spain. We went south from Asturias last time, but i do want to explore that north west corner
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
There are three different types of clutch cover. OEM ones are available immediately. 1 aftermarket one with glass is available immediately. The second aftermarket one also with glass is on order from GPX. let me know if you want anything ordering
@pepedafrog6951 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc I called him today and said is not his problem anymore. He ordered a Tenere 700 and left the other one there for them to deal with it. Thanks for the offer though. are you a dealer? where are you located?
@begforrit7731 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing mate ✌️
@barebonesmc 4 ай бұрын
glad you enjoyed it mate and thanks, you hit that magical 4 word comment that youtube loves so much lol. 🙂 Theres plenty more on the channel, hope you will look around and find something your interested in. there is more on the website too. and there will be more to come. Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂
@MrSpaha-kx7ie 5 ай бұрын
BMW would charge the price of this whole bike just to get the quickshifter
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
PMSL, a good point well put mate 🙂Cheers for the comment. Ride Free 🙂
@fcalin21 5 ай бұрын
I think it is the best looking motorcycle.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
I like its face 🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
@Zt3v3 5 ай бұрын
KTM has used cast pegs for the past 25 years and they bend rather than break. It really depends on the alloy and heat treatment.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
hmm, ok, ill defer if thats true, Im not a metallurgist to be fair, but i have seen many more snapped and cracked alloy footpegs than i have ever seen steel ones. Ive got a box of old bent up steel pegs from tree stumps and boulders (theyll come in useful at some point even if that is welded up into a lamp stand lol) , and not one alloy one. Most of the alloy ones snap off at the mounting point and right or wrong, i put that down to the fact that they just dont have the shear strength of steel. Cheers for the comment anyway mate, its made me think about it :-) when i get chance i will maybe look at a metallurgy chart and try and decipher the real truth :-)
@toltod 6 ай бұрын
Really had hoped they would add cruise control...otherwise cannot wait to see them in North America!
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
i have heard a few pre homologation Rally models are being sent to the US as off road only bikes to trial them
@ThomasMitchell-kr8yy 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
glad you enjoyed it mate 🙂 Theres plenty more on the channel, hope you will look around and find something your interested in. there is more on the website too. and there will be more to come. Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂
@Agouti 5 ай бұрын
How could you mention KTM 890 and BMW GS as competitors without also mentioning Tenere 700? It's a much closer fit in terms of power, weight, and apparent off-road chops, plus of course the Aprilia Taureg 660 and more tenuously the 650/750 Honda Transalp. I'll be watching Kove but at that price point they'll need to do some serious trust building to escape the shadow of all the preceding fly-by-night bike brands coming out of there.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
fair point, we have been talking in the comments and yes, the Aprilia is i think the closest competitor, the KTM i talked about because of the obvious link with the engine design. in time we will see as they say
@TraveladvRajanSRai Ай бұрын
africa twin n klr this inbetween
@scannorse Ай бұрын
Tenere is 20 kg more, 20 hp less, and top heavy (TOP HEAVY !!). No comparison. Agility in terrain is way better on 800Pro, brakes are brilliant, and the gearbox shifts gears without a big klonk, and the clutch is easy drawn. None of that you can say about the Tenere.
@upsidedowndog1256 6 ай бұрын
Looks like it could be fun. I just hope light weight doesn't come from subgrade parts like Buell sportbikes. KTMs seem awfully light and the components appear too light but they seem to hold up under hard use. Maybe Kove can make similar.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
it is always a balance, and yep, some get it more right than others. I just wish Aprilia had built a new Pegaso rather than the much heavier Tuareg. there is just no need for the extra weight for me, if they could build a Pegaso 20 years ago i have to ask why they cant make the Tuareg lighter by at least 15-20kg. i still say laziness is the biggest reason lol hope alls well mate
@marlonm.2820 6 ай бұрын
Hey, I've never heard of Buell sport bikes having issues with subgrade parts? What experience have you had with them? Not coming at you, I'm just curious.
@upsidedowndog1256 6 ай бұрын
@@marlonm.2820 Wrecked ones is my only experience unfortunately. The Rotax powered ones especially. I wanted one (still do) but a minor incident causes catastrophic damage to those bikes. The rear shock mount shears off of the frame.
@braapt7 6 ай бұрын
Nice video, thorough review! First I loved the idea of this bike as serious adventure bike - due super light weight -, but the missing bottom frame part is really needed for that. As you say in the video - even you are concerned about the engine mounted bashplate. Well, still could be a potent adventure bike for less enduro and more exploring style riding. ✌😎
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
indeed, and it isnt the first, Triumph are still doing it after years, but that and the welded subframe are 2 oversights i think
@GurrasGarage 6 ай бұрын
Looks good 👍
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
I'm sure it will be when we finally get it, Its available in many countries already, but not Europe the US or Australia and Canada, so the west are missing out 🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
@jamesonpace726 6 ай бұрын
8:50 looks a lot like Coshcatau, Kazakhstan if yer interested....
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
ahh i understand the other comment now lol, im not sure to be honest, but some of his footage was from Hubei province i think, there is more info on his videos and i linked his channel in the description, cheers for watching mate
@jean-lucmarchal7896 6 ай бұрын
Bonjour mon ami, Jolie vidéo 👍
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
Merci mon ami. J'espère que vous passez une bonne semaine. voyager gratuitement
@MXers5 5 ай бұрын
Rumours the kove 800 rally etc will have subscription electronics. A thing that is quite common these days and will be standard in the future. Any truth to this?
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
being honest, even i was sucked into the rumours about KTM on this one, but so far, as far as i am aware, no one has even planned any subscription based access with any motorcycle brand, there will undoubtedly be paywalls, like the way KTM have done it, but i personally dont see any signs of a subscription with either Kove or any other manufacturers
@david.pedro. Ай бұрын
About the rear subframe is welded at the chassi. Can you explain a bit what that means and what is that down side?
@barebonesmc Ай бұрын
cheers, what it means, is if the rear subframe gets bent the bike is a write off, if its bolt on, you can simply replace the rear subfame, big bikes roll over off road, it is inevitable, and one big rock in the wrong place is all it takes. welding it on is cheaper, and arguably a bit lighter, but that is marginal, bolt on to me is always the better option, and on an ADV bike for me may well be the deal breaker
@JPspinFPV 5 ай бұрын
This looks very promising.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
glad you enjoyed it mate 🙂 Theres plenty more on the channel. hope youll climb aboard. Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂
@mrjay4000 6 ай бұрын
Currently it isnt spec'd with cruise, hopefully they consider the upgrade at least for the adventure pro X version.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
with its electronic suite i see no reason why not, its not on my important list TBH but i guess it may be to some
@ridingwithmrP 6 ай бұрын
so much detail my friend, excellent video have we got our Chinese motos all wrong only time will tell? the only way is up
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
apparently it is Keeway who are building the engine (the ZFKY stamp) a sub spotted that one 🙂 I like the look of their new 3 pot too and a 700 triple tuned right could make a great ADV engine
@mikerider58 6 ай бұрын
Great review as always 👏 extremely informative. China are starting to produce real quality due to their involvement with major European 🇪🇺 companies 👏
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Being honest, 25 years ago i could find better products in China than Europe, but they didnt export them, the poor quality products exported in general are built down to a price for western companies, so they get the shit China doesnt want lol, think about the history of quality ceramics (ming vases) or bronze casting (they did invent the lost wax method of casting), personally, what i found (and i dont like generalisation) is that they werent so good at creating new outside the box solutions, but they were far better at R&D, so a relatively poor product could be made good very quickly. but with every country there are exceptions :-) Ride Free 🙂
@mikerider58 6 ай бұрын
@barebonesmc thanks for the reply. My other life long hobby/occupation was playing guitar 🎸 and the Chinese can make top quality guitars at half the price of USA. It is, as you rightly remark, western companies looking to make astronomical profits by getting they're products made in China. The West are extremely crafty at pretending our companies can't afford to produce stuff and while they shovel climate change and Slavery down our throats, they set up shop in the far east were workers are paid buttons.
@mrsilbo6499 6 ай бұрын
I respectfully *agree* with you!
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
lol, ayup mate, ive not noticed your name come up in a while :-) hope life is being good to you
@giovannipisu1883 6 ай бұрын
the lightest mid size Adventure Bike is the husky 701 enduro with 146kg dry follow by the aprilia Tuareg 187KG then the Kove 800x 190KG ,kts 890 adventure 196Kg, tenere 204KG, desert X 207KG...
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
the Husky is much more a dual sport than an AADV bike for me, a different class more akin to the AJP PR7, the Tuareg is 187 dry, but the Kove is a Kerb weight, so SHOULD include oils and fluids if not fuel, so my guess is they will be pretty close as the standard model but the Rally will be lighter. , You didnt count the 175kg dry 450MT (or Ibex as they now seem to be calling it) i notice 🙂
@jmsmikey 6 ай бұрын
I am facinated by the Kove 800~ like you, it's exactly what i want to do errands in Las Vegas & run around the desert. What is your location?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
Im in the UK, but I ride in Europe too
@jmsmikey 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc There is a KOVE dealer in Arizona & I think there will be one on Las Vegas soon. I'll let you know if I can get ahold of one~ if so, you are welcome to ride it if you vacation in Las Vegas
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@jmsmikey they are apparently bringing in a small number of off road only ones over there until homologation is done, so far its only available outside the usual western markets, but it is making an impression there. Cheers for the invite mate, enjoy the ride
@sjgyomrey 5 ай бұрын
love it, cant wait...
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
being honest, there are a few now that look like they are worth more than a quick look. I'm just hoping it actually gets here, we miss out on so many. im beginning to thing that the way the dealerships are tied in to contracts is actually damaging the industry, because if the dealers decide to look at smaller brands their contracts get pulled. The smaller brands just arent getting the floor space they need
@Errol.C-nz 5 ай бұрын
BMW gs650x moto, trail, adventure .. extremely frugal for a 650, injected, smooth powerful & LIGHT weight.. bolt on subframes & BMW reliability
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
great bikes,i featured the BMW G450X here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJidadd3ldi-e4U.html but however good the 650 is, there is no pillion provision. that makes it more a dual sport than a true ADV bike to me a bit like the Husky 701 and AJP PR7 🙂 Cheers for watching mate. Ride Free 🙂
@TraveladvRajanSRai Ай бұрын
yea but klr more range
@Errol.C-nz Ай бұрын
@@TraveladvRajanSRai ah.. I don't think so
@kurtismotif 5 ай бұрын
looks like the F900GS, its it a thumper?
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
a Keeway built version of the 790 adventure i believe, so its a parallel twin, youd be hard pushed getting that power out of a single. but its significantly lighter than the F900GS
@DennisMerwood-xk8wp 2 күн бұрын
Price? How does it compare to a Benelli TRK702 equipped std with 3-Givi bags here in New Zealand?
@barebonesmc 2 күн бұрын
projected was about £9 in the UK and the Benelli comes in around £7 but im not sure with the weight difference its a fair comparison. as you are obviously an owner, do you have a gross vehicle weight on the benelli? or a load weight? that is where the Kove's weak point is, it is rated for a 150kg load, so i could take a passenger OR luggage, but not both unless im prepared to overload a bike with a welded subframe (is the 702 a welded or bolt on rear subframe? also, prices are on a downward spiral here right now, new bike sales on everything except 400's and under are down big time, so the dealers keep cutting prices
@DennisMerwood-xk8wp 2 күн бұрын
@@barebonesmc Google is your friend Mate. I'm 75-years old. Ridden my wonderful Benelli TRK502 15,000 on and off road in New Zealand. Plenty powerful enough. With that great old "Triumph" twin sound. Cruise easily at 115kmh on the road. Bit heavy, but not too tall for us short old buggers The std Givi bags included are superb. A steal! No problems at all. Serviced by me. One of the best of the 29-motorcycles I have owned. And there is a long waiting list here for the 700cc version. The bike is always left out of comparison tests ~ big mistake!
@barebonesmc 2 күн бұрын
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp unfortunately these days that friend is often loaded with the wrong answers
@DennisMerwood-xk8wp 2 күн бұрын
@@barebonesmc Tank volume 20 liter. Seat height 790 mm. Weigh 215 kg with (3) Givi aluminiam bags. Weight is not a factor in riding this bike. Even for an old fella. Off-road maybe, but this is not a dirt bike.
@DennisMerwood-xk8wp 2 күн бұрын
@@barebonesmc Tank volume 20 liter. Seat height 790 mm. Weigh 215 kg with (3) Givi bags.
@popeyeseamaster87 5 ай бұрын
And even lighter on quality.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
that isnt what the people actually riding and buying them say. and the Kove 500X has been described by many as the bike Honda should have built, and that is in many markets now, sold under various Marques like Yezdi, Jawa, Hunter and Macbor as well as under Kove's own name
@kensummerton716 6 ай бұрын
This looks like a very nice bike, i got to sit on it in Milan and it felt nice just sitting on it. serious contender. can you say if the difference in the gearing is just the front and rear sprockets ?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
no, that would be a guess, but with Nellis's comment i think it may be an educated guess :-)
@markbevans8564 6 ай бұрын
So when do we get the chance to fringerprint one of these in the USA, looks appealing!!
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
I have heard GPX are bringing a small number over as purely off road bikes until homologation is complete, but i dont have any dates, you could ask them direct, sorry thats not much help, cheers for watching
@Berecutecu 5 ай бұрын
The challenge will be to decide between Standard, Pro or Rally
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
that depends on your riding, For me it would probably be the Standard or Pro and drop a tooth on the drive sprocket 🙂 but it depends where the weight has been lost, i will be looking at that carefully 🙂
@Berecutecu 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc nice video man and kudos that you keep engaging with the community to share and learn at the same time. I'll be on a similar spot I think. Cheers
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@Berecutecu i think too many people forget, that without the community and the people that watch, their channels die very quickly and mean nothing substantial. and yes, i still try and learn every day 🙂 ride free my friend
@michaelbmw1931 3 ай бұрын
Whats the differences?
@barebonesmc 3 ай бұрын
@@michaelbmw1931 it does explain in the video mate
@KyriakosSoul 5 ай бұрын
Mates, I have read many complaints about reliability issues, damages in the engine... They found pieces of metal in the oil, etc... I am afraid buying this bike, due to the engine borrowing from the ktm 790...😭What do you think?
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
The engine isn't being built by CF Moto (KTM's manufacturer) it is derived from the same design, but it is built by Keeway group i believe. unless they are friends in China, they arent talking about the 800X, so far ive not heard many confirmed problems on the 450 either. there are lots of people who tell stories, but few that can actually be substantiated. talk to people who have actually owned the bikes. in the description their is a link to a review. the guy has one in China and is running it hard, ask him for his opinions, and look at his riding. talk to people on the channels who are riding the 450 Rally, they will talk about the faults, but there arent many faults so far. hope that helps
@HUW-05039 Ай бұрын
Do we get a mistycal unicorn of adv? An adventure motorbike, light and powerful which couldn't be created by any Japanese, European, British or US company?
@barebonesmc Ай бұрын
we shall see, i still have questions but i will know more later today
@porkshank13 5 ай бұрын
Are those weights verified? While I am hopeful I just don't see those weights being likely. I hope I am wrong! Thank you for the video!
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
I hear you mate, but they seem to be holding up so far, a friend in Pakistan who has a 500X has had it weighed exactly as quoted, a full 50Kg lighter than the Benelli TRK500
@SmashingTheAntiu 5 ай бұрын
which bike are mentioning at 0:35? I really cant tell
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
Kove 800X Super adventure Pro
@MrEtnorb 6 ай бұрын
The advertised 185kg kerb weight would make it the leader of all the twins around. The CMoto 450 weighs 175kg dry so why would anyone buy one given its nearly 40kW less power than the KOve 800
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
being honest, when i first saw the 450MT I was pretty excited, and it does have some good points, but that weight is just crap. and i see no reason it isnt 175kg wet, at that weight i WOULD have been seriously considering it, but not at the same weight as my old Vstrom lol
@Matthew-zw9su 6 ай бұрын
Big price difference between those bikes
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@Matthew-zw9su weve no price on either yet, but probably yes, id expect the 450MT to be priced around £6k and if the Kove is priced at 9K then thats major, but i guess depends on priority. id say the 450 makes great sense for an A2 licence holder, but if it had been lighter, it could have have a much wider customer base, 2 models would have been nice, one cheaper standard and one lightweight Rally Rep for say £1000-1500 more but 25-30kg lighter? its not price or lack of power that puts me off the MT, it is simply the weight, and i would have thought i was their target customer,
@Emily-ou6lq 6 ай бұрын
Akront is spanish, changed name to Morad and got bought by bmw
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
yep, that was a slip, i just made a mistake in the recording sorry, got my S countries mixed up :-)
@Emily-ou6lq 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc I got a pair of 17" on my XR since '94.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@Emily-ou6lq the guy i bought the Navigator off had put cast wheels on, but putting the original Akront wheels back on transformed the bike, have a great week 🙂
@otablott7779 6 ай бұрын
The CFMoto 450MT is going to be another awesome bike
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
it would have been much better if it was 25kg lighter, i just dont understand how they made a 450 so heavy, and i was seriously loooking forward to it
@otablott7779 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Damn i just realized that too, the Kove 800X Rally is 10kg lighter than the CFMoto 450Mt at kerb weight. And 42p vs 93hp! The 800x is a much better package. A 93hp bike at 175kg is insane!
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@otablott7779 If, as one sub said and looks right, it is Keeway building the engines for Kove, it makes me even more interested to see what their new 3 pot ADV bike has to offer. There is some of the latest batch of Chinese ADV bikes that look at least a little different. cheers for the support mate
@Berecutecu 5 ай бұрын
One cannot even say that the weight is tank capacity because the CFMOTO is 17.5L where the Kove 800X is 19L. Nevertheless, want to hear more about those engines fuel economy. Additionally it is fair to assume that their are in a very different price range realm too. It is an interesting year to be in the motorcycle market.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@Berecutecu its always a good time to ride 🙂
@kugangles9860 6 ай бұрын
Nice bike but I don't believe the weight numbers they put out for one second.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
I know what you mean but have been watching and listening closely. Nellis says clearly it feels lighter than the Tuareg, and originally we had a 175kg curb weight (which i imagine is oils and fluids but no fuel) I am guessing a true wet weight will be about 180 on the Rally and 200 on the Standard and Pro, but that still puts them ahead of the competition. We will have to see, but having more of the fuel down low should help with centre of gravity
@scannorse Ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc weight of 800PRO is 191 kg including fuel. I have my bike on a scale, others too…
@barebonesmc Ай бұрын
@@scannorse where you mate? we still dont have theme ar
@scannorse Ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc DK :-)
@barebonesmc Ай бұрын
@@scannorse sorry that last comment got chopped up somehow, Denmark?
@johnburgess5534 6 ай бұрын
Welded sub-frame??? No thanks. You could not GIVE me this bike. What were they thinking.?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
obviously thinking the same as Yamaha, Triumph when the made the 800 tiget and many others. It is an oversight i think, just as the engine mounted bash plate is.
@rocks4brains 5 ай бұрын
How much does it weigh, already!
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
I do say in the video mate. 175 kerb weight on the Rally and 185 on the standard and pro, that will probably be fluids but not fuel, and with a 17ltr tank that will be 192kg - 200kg with a FULL tank, so the Rally is the same weight as the CF Moto 450MT or possibly a kg or 2 lighter
@cranedaddy678 6 ай бұрын
I see these claims in the PC market every year.. This card is 200% faster than the last gen! Then it gets here and surprise surprise, 20% more at best for 20% more money. What I'm saying is let's see these bikes in person and in action. Let's see how the mass produced versions hold up. Let's see how the dealer network grows. Let's see if geopolitics shut down the supply chain to the US or cripple it with sanctions. Lots of unknowns still.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
indeed their are 🙂 the dominance of the dealer networks and existing contracts will always be an issue that takes time. we will see as they say 🙂
@chris_mastro 6 ай бұрын
when you say they have another 3 years to make a bike fast enough and reliable enough, do you mean they wont be competing for another 3 years?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
No, if you refer back to the video i did last year on their Dakar entry, i talked about the CEO's 5 year plan, 2024 was year 2, so 3 years to reach the goal he set himself
@Emily-ou6lq 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Ah yea, the famous 5 year plans of commies...
@mikescott9213 6 ай бұрын
I wonder when the kove 1290 will be released?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
i think you will see a CF Moto 1290 first :-)
@Mark-mq1cc 5 ай бұрын
does it have cruise?
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
good question, so far i cant be sure as ive had different answers, so possibly an extra or just on the Pro may, but i am guessing
@jamesonpace726 6 ай бұрын
Kochchetau, (sp?) I think....
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
???
@Emily-ou6lq 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc it's a city and a national park in Kazakhstan
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@Emily-ou6lq yep, i worked it out from the other comment, im not sure if it is, some of the footage was Hubei im sure, but it may say more on his channel linked in the description, cheers
@oknevals 6 ай бұрын
Looking at specs and price, I It costs more than what I paid for my brand new Yam Super Tenere ES. It was in 2018 but, still. Not same class, only less bike for more $'s.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
a fair point, but if you want better you cant have cheaper, suspension is streets ahead of the Tenere, as is weight and ground clearance, and centre of gravity lower because the fuel held lower too, oh, and its got a seat i might possibly get my good lady to sit on, one ride and she wont go near a tenere again lol
@oknevals 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc I think you are talking Tenere 700 while I talk Super Tenere 1200. The mule is 600lbs, shaft driven, TC, ABS, UBS, ES, cruise control, grip warmers, easily lasts 150k miles with not much fuss.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@oknevals ahh, better seat lol, they are a great bike, but i would say a different kind of bike completely, the Kove much more like the T7
@oknevals 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc That's for sure. I couldn't do 550 miles day on T7.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@oknevals 🤣🤣🤣
@nikolasss3520 6 ай бұрын
Is the seat comfortable enought? Does it hurt you in any way?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
That is a question you will have to ask Nellis. his channel is linked in the description. It cant be any worse than the Tenere seat lol 🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
@user-iz6lz8tc2r 5 ай бұрын
The frame looks identical to the cb500x, with 790 engine, and better suspension. Same as the kove 500x/rieju 500, or other names that this bike is selling around the world...
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
When the Kove 500X has a tried and tested frame that works, why not just brace it up and remake it for the bigger engine? and it isnt the same as the CB500X, maybe similar, but not the same. There are many brands the 500X is sold under, Macbor in Spain and Hunter in Indonesia and more, but the Rieju is not the same bike at all, not made by Kove, build by a company celled Hanjang motors or something like that. but it is a totally different bike. cheers for adding the questions
@user-iz6lz8tc2r 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc maby, but it's not an engineering masterpiece.... Clown engine, clown frame ..... If it works, why not...
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@user-iz6lz8tc2r taking an existing idea and making it better is hardly new. Suzuki did much more blatant stealing with MZ. BMW stole the Nilfisk designed telescopic forks, and on and on. The engine is licenced, and the chassis really isnt the same. The engine is now being improved even more too with a slightly higher capacity version, so even the engine becomes more than a "clone"
@user-iz6lz8tc2r 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc good thinking....
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@user-iz6lz8tc2r we shall see in time 🙂 new faces in the industry have to be good
@Reubenn1 6 ай бұрын
Does anyone know the seat height ?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
different on each, standard is lowest and from memory about 850mm, the Rally significantly higher (i think 900mm ish but this is from memory) the Pro somewhere in between, that info is maybe in the older video i think kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r72GqKdl0ru5o5c.html
@Reubenn1 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc thank you
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@Reubenn1 no problem mate, have a great week
@istra70 6 ай бұрын
Their 450 rally has no competition .....and I think they would make a kill with it. Go Kove !!!
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
i would saay depending on use, the AJP PR7 is close competition, and there is i believe a Keeway Rally coming too, the 450 is just a more niche bike so numbers will never be that high i dont think, the 800X has the potentioal to be a much bigger seller
@TRAVERSE_ADV 6 ай бұрын
Ive spent a fair bit of time researching these bikes and using translation through google. Pretty sure the rally suspension is fast ace, the 799cc engine is a KTM cline made by ZF-KYMCO (ZF-KY stickers and engine case stamps) even though distributors will tell you its built in-house by Kove. The standard is 30,000 Yuan in china (around AUD$6000) yet the rally is going to land is Australia at over AUD$20,000 from what I can gather, if it passes ADR here. Its a shame that its going to be so expensive as I'm keen to ride a rally model, but even with a soec sheet that a unicorn wrote, with no dealer network, parts availability and technical support on par with established manufacturers, I cannot justify the price and the resale loss when for a few thousand more I can buy an Africa Twin or Even a KTM890 or a load of other proven motorcycles. But I will still test ride one if they come just to satisfy my curiosity.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
interesting, where did you get the Kymco info from? I was looking at the castings wondering on the ZF letters, thats one hell of a mark up for someone
@TRAVERSE_ADV 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc if you look at casing and the rear cowling neat the tail light theres a sticker ZF-KY. I asked a few distributors what it was as it has no bearing on the model. No one could answer me. Then I simply googled it and the ZF÷KYMCO website came up. The home oage has lota of information of past and current accomplishments, from working with homda to Yamaha and CFMOTO. Seems that that division only makes motorcycle engines. It doesn't mention Kove but Im willing to bet its who makes the engine. Most likely built by them and then assembled in the Kove factory production line.
@istra70 6 ай бұрын
Just like Tenere...
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
in some ways, but far better suspension than the standard T7, and lighter than even the earliest, now the T7 has just got fat and old like me lol
@2wheels1guy25 6 ай бұрын
Weren’t you quitting this channel?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
No, never quitting, thats not my style, i am just having to be ultra careful with any potential copyrighted materia right now as if i get another strike the channel goes down, what i said, was there would be minimal videos posted until April on here, but this one is pretty safe as all the footage is authenticated and the rider gave his full permission to use what i have of his, the rest is all Kove's own footage and pics
@2wheels1guy25 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc ok, I really enjoy your content…don’t care where you post as long as you do post!🏍️🔥🚀
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@2wheels1guy25 i will, im just having to spend more time doing other things because KZfaq wiped my earnings out, been working on the bikes and looking for a van to replace my old one as i have had it about 15 years now 🙂 that one is proving harder than i thought 🙂
@peaceoutvanlife 5 ай бұрын
Untested brand and $4k more than a Yamaha T7... I don't think so.
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
you must be getting the T7 a lot cheaper than we do then mate, You are talking £9600 for the base model here, so a little more than the price being quoted for the Kove, but we wont know till it lands. So much depends on import tarriffs and importer/distributer network costs. They arent really an untested brand either, theyve been selling under numerous brand names in various markets since 2017. Their 500X and their newer 525/510X have often been described as the bike the CB500X could have been too. Macbor have a good reputation in Spain and the Hunter Maverick has quite a cult following in Indonesia and has sold in Australia too if I hear right. Im still wrapping my head around the various brands and brand names involved in it all. it gets quite complex to be fair, and i dont think that is doing them any favours. brand structures do tend to work differently in China, but this one is more complex than many :-)
@peaceoutvanlife 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc 10k for a T7 and 14k for. Kove. And surely you're not implying that Kove builds the same quality and relaibilty as Yamaha 😂🙄 Nice try though
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@peaceoutvanlife ouch, you get the T7 cheaper then (as is often the case it seems) but u are paying way more for the Kove. I wasnt implying anything though to be clear. What i will say is it will just suit me better. the suspension is far superior, as are the wheels, and that has to be paid for. the T7 seat is a joke for me and was the final nah. for rider it isnt great, but for passenger is bordering on a device for torture. add the price of a custom seat, upgraded Kayaba suspension and a pair of tubeless spoked Akront rims to the price of the T7 and things start to look a bit different though, and those quality components have to be paid for somewhere. personally, id say the choice is a good one. but with prices as are here, the Tuareg is actually looking like the more value for money out of the 3, we will see in time. are GPx taking orders for the 800 in the states now then?
@peaceoutvanlife 5 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmcno pre orders yet, just looked up pricing. I do think these are spec'd well but until there's some long term reviews, I still think I'd opt for the T7 with a Seat Concepts seat for a few hundred. My buddy likes his Taureg but doesn't spend much time off-road. Yet
@barebonesmc 5 ай бұрын
@@peaceoutvanlife the Tuareg is a damn good bike off road, probably at least as good as it is on the road, and certainly better than the T7, Im still torn on it but if prices come down any more, they will be giving them away here. im just wary of so much electronics on a bike that will be going through water crossings, but thats just my prejudice lol
@agrocat9876 4 ай бұрын
Мотор ктм?
@barebonesmc 4 ай бұрын
CF Moto, да, но немного переработанный.
@jamesonpace726 6 ай бұрын
800 doesn't interest me. The 1 that is the most like the Dakar bike does, as I remember that previous race....
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
some of us carry passengers tho mate :-) we all have different needs
@mikeisland7382 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Wouldn't it be great to see some performance dual sports with passenger pegs?
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@mikeisland7382 yep, if the AJP PR7 had rear pegs i think i would probably have one by now, As it is ive actually been looking at the Reiju Aventura 500, among others lol, huge fuel tank and far better suspension than the CB500X
@mikeisland7382 6 ай бұрын
@@barebonesmc Not the same bike but you can put the 690 super moto pass pegs onto the enduro.
@barebonesmc 6 ай бұрын
@@mikeisland7382 lol, if you are into torturing the one you love i guess 🙂
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