Effectual Calling: Foundations - An Overview of Systematic Theology with R.C. Sproul

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Ligonier Ministries

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How do we come to saving faith? Does God alone change the heart of the sinner, or does this change of heart also rely on the sinner’s will? In this message, R.C. Sproul helps us address this crucial question using two theological terms: monergism and synergism.
This message is from Dr. Sproul’s 60-part teaching series Foundations: An Overview of Systematic Theology. Learn more: www.ligonier.org/learn/series...

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@ligonier
@ligonier Жыл бұрын
This message is from Dr. Sproul’s 60-part teaching series Foundations: An Overview of Systematic Theology. Watch the entire series: www.ligonier.org/learn/series/foundations
@jacquelinerichards1838
@jacquelinerichards1838 Жыл бұрын
Where do you place Salvation as related to the Gospel?
@oar-N-oasis
@oar-N-oasis Жыл бұрын
Understanding this teaching from RC makes me truly realise that apart from GOD I have no good things, None.
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
What has He done He has given us hope in hopelessness He has forgiven us of our sins He has placed joy and peace in our heart He has broken the chains that held us in sin He has freed us from the grave He has removed the sting of death We are called BELOVED And so so so much more Give Him thanks Worship Him
@CTWwebcast
@CTWwebcast Жыл бұрын
One of the greatest theological minds of the late 20th to early 21st century.
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
He was only blessed with God had given to Him , so all praise and Glory belongs to Almighty God alone and not to man ! .
@garypotter5569
@garypotter5569 Жыл бұрын
I felt like I lost a father when RC passed. It still makes me tear up.😔
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
Why would you be sorry ? He has gone to a far better place then this world , there will always be another preacher to take his place , but only one God and Father who in His abundant Mercy has chosen His Elect Before the world was made , and He could Never be replaced by any man , so all the Glory is due to Him and Him Alone ! .Cheers !.
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
You still have the one and only Father you will ever need , and that is our Almighty God and Loving Father who before the world was made chose unto Himself a people He would save from All of their sins in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour , to the Praise and Glory of His Grace wherein He has made us accepted in the Beloved , do not make an Idol out of any man , for in doing so God would Not be pleased !, Cheers ! .
@JoshuaMSOG7
@JoshuaMSOG7 Жыл бұрын
Out of many sermons and teachings this man gave I still rehear many till this day. One of my Favorite expositors and theologians of the 20th Century. God bless this man.
@rhondae8222
@rhondae8222 Жыл бұрын
Love, the late Dr R.C. Sproul 😊
@danjackson2987
@danjackson2987 Жыл бұрын
For sure. He’s all over my playlist I listen to during my day!!!
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
Well if he has passed on , he is in a better place then we who are waiting our Redemption , mine should not be long now !.
@isblessed5785
@isblessed5785 Жыл бұрын
GOD and GOD ALONE changed me! Hallelujah 🙏🏾
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
Yes ! and Hallelujah , for we are saved By Grace Alone , through Faith Alone , in Jesus Christ Alone , and All to the Glory of God Alone , Cheers and God Bless !.
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
Yes and to Him and Him Alone be All of the Glory ! Cheers !.
@allenhart1812
@allenhart1812 Жыл бұрын
The best systematic theology presentation I’ve ever heard
@garyray5378
@garyray5378 Жыл бұрын
Love RC, what a friend he has in Jesus
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
What a Friend WE have in Jesus ! .
@nancyemery8961
@nancyemery8961 Жыл бұрын
Praise the Lord for saving me🙏
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
Hallelujah Nancy , for someone who realises we are saved by Gods Grace alone and Not mans efforts , For we are saved by Grace Alone , through Faith Alone (which is a gift from God ) , In Jesus Christ Alone , and ALL TO THE GLORY OF GOD ALONE , Cheers and God Bless !.
@wordstudyonline5906
@wordstudyonline5906 4 ай бұрын
Really it's amazing to know that everything when it comes to salvation is coming from the Lord, we are not able to initiate something for the posibility of this salvatiion in our lives, God truly operates this to us
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
What He's done🕊🕊🕊 What He's done All the glory and the honor to the Son My sins are forgiven My future is Heaven I praise God for what He's done Now on a throne of majesty The Father's will complete He reigns in victory Sing hallelujah to the King He is worthy to receive All the worship we can bring What He's done What He's done All the glory and the honor to the Son My sins are forgiven My future is Heaven I praise God for what He's done
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
Awesome, Jessy, thank you for posting these beautiful lyrics. 😍
@edsnyder2801
@edsnyder2801 Жыл бұрын
Looking unto Jesus, the Author of Salvation. Looking unto Jesus, the Author and the Finisher of Our Faith.
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
Yes ! , and to Him and Him Alone be ALL the Glory !.
@karenbeardwilson
@karenbeardwilson Жыл бұрын
Hold every thought Captive in Jesus, my Lord and Savior. The Lazarus who was sleeping in Spiritual Death - Awakened by Jesus “Lazarus come forward”. I know Jesus started His work in me. The Awakening, the resoluteness that comes and not one the world the circumstances can take you off the path of transformation when born again and Jesus beckons you, follow me. Jesus our LORD is Holy, He is Transcendental Majesty. The single thing I need to know and I do know. R. C. Sproul. Glory to God on Most High. Amen ♥️🙏✝️😢
@dr.agnesstephenson9171
@dr.agnesstephenson9171 Жыл бұрын
Powerful message...
@newyorknight
@newyorknight Жыл бұрын
For someone who looked like a police detective, he sure was a great teacher💯🙏
@HangOn31
@HangOn31 Жыл бұрын
Not, when he was old..😇
@newyorknight
@newyorknight Жыл бұрын
@@HangOn31 hmm, retired cop then👍
@HangOn31
@HangOn31 Жыл бұрын
@@newyorknight Not inside
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
And only God can open your mind and eyes to it , to Him be All of the Glory ! .
@donaldjoy4023
@donaldjoy4023 Жыл бұрын
Superb communication.
@hildapage7065
@hildapage7065 Жыл бұрын
BRILLIANT! LOVE IT!
@mountainman78629
@mountainman78629 2 ай бұрын
People complain about reformed theology and Calvinism only because they can’t see what’s right in front of them. The un understandable is understood when your eyes are opened and you marvel about how you missed what was so obvious. It’s hidden in plain sight. Me witnessing to literally a few thousand people and the few positive responses I got made absolutely no sense until RC pointed I was talking to spiritually dead people. You can’t scare them into the kingdom by preaching hell to them. You can’t lure them into the kingdom by promising them eternal life or streets of gold. You can’t love them in, you can’t pray them in or threaten them. I can roll the stone away and preach to the dead in the tomb until I can preach no more and nothing is going to give life to the dead unless God does it. Oh, so the really are dead in trespasses and sin and they really are hostile to God and there really are none who seek God. Now it makes sense
@jonathans.219
@jonathans.219 Жыл бұрын
Man , this helped.
@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676
@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676 Жыл бұрын
Proverbs 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding. Proverbs 16:17 The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul.
@FedExMan822
@FedExMan822 Жыл бұрын
🙏
@micahiah2
@micahiah2 Жыл бұрын
Sovereignty of God and the Responsibility of Man is a mystery to our finite brain, just as the teaching of the Trinity. We believe both side of the coin, just because they are clear teachings in the Bible. By faith, we understand how the world was formed. Election of God is God's business. Our responsibility is only to believe when the gospel is preached to us. Stop all the arguments and focus on preaching the gospel. Trust in the salvation work of the cross and be saved.
@phanikumar9423
@phanikumar9423 Жыл бұрын
Miss you sir
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
Sing for the freedom He has won Even death is dead and done His life has overcome Speak, say the Name above all names Over every broken place He is risen from the grave
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
What He's done What He's done All the glory and the honor to the Son My sins are forgiven My future is Heaven I praise God for what He's done
@deepakhansda3401
@deepakhansda3401 5 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
EVERY born-again saint believes in the Sovereign election of Grace! It is written: "Even so, at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of Grace ". "The salvation of the righteous comes from the LORD ".
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
We were not chosen because we were Righteous but that we will be righteous ! .
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
@Happy Forever He saved me, a sinner, and claimed me as His own. As it is written... But by HIS doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption. I have been declared righteous, sanctified and cleansed, by the Lord. God sees me just like He sees Jesus and Colossians 2:10 says I am complete in Christ. Being made righteous is not a future event.
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
@@RockingChairRebel Amen and Hallelujah !.Me too !.
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
@@happyforever1528 Sweet!!!!! 🤗✝️😘😘😘🤣
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
@@RockingChairRebel Yes that's exactly what He has done !.
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
See on the hill of Calvary My Savior bled for me My Jesus set me free And look at the wounds that give me life Grace flowing from His side No greater sacrifice What He's done What He's done All the glory and the honor to the Son My sins are forgiven My future is Heaven I praise God for what He's done
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 Жыл бұрын
Why and how does an eternal being need to suffer and supposedly die for its own creation ? Moreover how does that wrought freedom, other than a deliberate change of one's own mind ? This guy would convince people that such a transformation is something external to this interlocution, rather than it being just the speaker themselves, who mesmerizes the person to transform; all done through eloquence and the easily usurping of authority from a deity, granted by the listener.
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
@@onedaya_martian1238 The eternal being is Jesus Christ who is fully God and fully man His purpose was to live a sinless life and become the perfect sacrifice to die for the sins of mankind. This same Jesus gives those who are saved the faith to believe. Those who are saved are saved through their free will and the sovereignty of God
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 Жыл бұрын
@@jessyjonas4988 Um no. None of what was just said is based in reality. Everything about that is the same as someone talking about Tolkien, Mohamed, Moroni or any other book of fiction. These comments are held by folks who have troubles with understanding how the world operates, which leaves them clinging to the words of con men, who constantly ask for money. The pleading in the comment shows that any hope of recovery from "faith" will is impossible. Sad and pathetic really. But whatever one needs to not fear death and avoid thinking their prattle is a waste of a life.
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
@@onedaya_martian1238 🍿
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 Жыл бұрын
@@jessyjonas4988 What ever gives one purpose and makes one fat, it seems.
@utuberme1
@utuberme1 Жыл бұрын
@JohnMoog-ug6bk
@JohnMoog-ug6bk 9 ай бұрын
I’m still stuck at the end. Clearly those God foreknew is a subset of humanity. My question is, what specifically did he foreknow about them? Of course God being omniscient knows everything about everyone but I mean in this context. Isn’t it the Arminian view that God knew in advance who would accept his call and hence called them? I’m not sure that view is fully consistent with Original Sin, but I’m wondering what Calvinists understand by foreknew here.
@newroman116
@newroman116 7 ай бұрын
God knew before the foundation of the earth who would accept the gospel of the cross. And those who chose Jesus, were given everlasting life. Calvinists have a different view and says that God has already predestined a certain group to be born again, without the group believing upfront. This is called "unconditional Election." You do not get to choose, God does. imho this view is flawed. To says God picks some, and rejects all others to hell, irrespective of what these people accept/ or reject, mischaracterizes the nature of Father God. Forgive us Lord.
@steveymcadams8955
@steveymcadams8955 6 ай бұрын
If God foreknew who would believe then salvation is not by grace. If God saw anything desirable from us and then chose us then it is dependent upon us. God chose to love some and not others and decreed through secondary causes that we would believe in Christ. To say God looked through time to see who would believe is to say that God is not sovereign over time and that He learns and reacts not works all things according to the council of His own will.
@newroman116
@newroman116 6 ай бұрын
@@steveymcadams8955 I think you limit God by saying he does not know who will accept the free gift of salvation. We hear His word, we accept it through faith, and he then justifies us freely by the finished work of the cross. It is really that simple. No one can save himself. God saves those who respond to the message of the gospel. Romans 10:9-10 lays this out.
@JohnMoog-ug6bk
@JohnMoog-ug6bk 6 ай бұрын
@@steveymcadams8955 Thanks. I get most of what you’re saying. Then would “foreknow” & “predestinate” in Rom 8:29 mean the same thing? Also, sovereignty over time is a concept I haven’t seen before. Can you please explain a bit more, or point to a source?
@dwashington1333
@dwashington1333 6 ай бұрын
Neo Calvinists are synergists, they believe God only regenerates through man preaching the word. The Bible has many examples of regeneration without the preached word, even the WCF chapter 10 confirms immediate Holy Spirit Regeneration. Cornelius was regenerated before Peter preached the Gospel to him, compare Romans 3 to Cornelius' conduct in Acts 10.
@booyaka870
@booyaka870 Жыл бұрын
Since you supposedly know good and evil since Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil you know the answer whether you have to do something to participate in your salvation or not. What comes after that? You continue to know good and evil so you can continue to the good since you know it. After that? There is no after that except things happen when you obey the good.
@stuartjohnson5686
@stuartjohnson5686 Жыл бұрын
C.S. Lewis said he was dragged kicking and screaming from atheism to Christianity
@hildapage7065
@hildapage7065 Жыл бұрын
Lol! You HAVE to LOVE "the Hound of Heaven" (Holy Spirit) Who 'on our trail' relentlessly pursues us!
@gregb6469
@gregb6469 Жыл бұрын
On some theological matters Lewis was confused and ignorant.
@nikokapanen82
@nikokapanen82 Жыл бұрын
I was partially dragged to Calvinism kicking against it for years.
@maxmateush7090
@maxmateush7090 Жыл бұрын
People say God never forces a person to repent… I say I am glad God forced me to repent!
@DD-ld1xq
@DD-ld1xq 28 күн бұрын
CS Lewis was an heretical mystic. He preached an explicitly false Gospel.
@newroman116
@newroman116 7 ай бұрын
Also, grammatically the Noun "faith" is in greek a feminine Noun. The Pronoun "it" is neuter, and you cannot compare a feminine with a neuter grammatically speaking. Therefore the antecedent is not "faith." It is salvation / "by grace you have been saved" this is what is referred to by grace you have been saved, IT, through faith.
@KsgS4
@KsgS4 Жыл бұрын
Back to Romans!!!!!!!
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 Жыл бұрын
At seventy years of age I just can't believe this happens. Grown people talking about something so ephemeral as a state of being that differentiates how they choose to believe a condition that has to be explained to them. Is this all not just a verbal ride around some abstract notions so we feel we contrive to know something that sort of sounds right after all this Imagineering ? Jesus talked about love and forgiveness; and being in awe, plus humbled, and in a state of deference to what gave us life. Compared to those Holy teachings, what was said here is not the same at all
@jimkraft9445
@jimkraft9445 Жыл бұрын
God in His sovereignty gave man a free will. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. God does not give faith. He gives eternal life to them that believe of their own free will. Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin, is death, BUT, the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 4:5. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:6. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness APART FROM WORKS. So faith is not a work, and Faith is not the GIFT. The GIFT is eternal life to them that believe on Jesus apart from any works. Romans 3:26-28. For he is the just and the justifier of them that BELIEVE on Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? By the law of works? Nay, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Period. First Timothy 2:4 God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come unto the knowledge of the truth. That we are all sinners, First John 1:8, and we have no way to pay our sin debt to God. Jesus paid the debt and set us free. John 3:18.
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
On the contrary Jim Kraft. It is written: For by Grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. God gives us the faith to believe because we are dead in our trespasses and sins. Salvation is the sovereign work of the Lord. Even if we could muster up our own faith, it would be considered "works" on our part and would cause us to boast. To God be ALL the Glory.
@jimkraft9445
@jimkraft9445 Жыл бұрын
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by GRACE YE ARE SAVED, (HOW) THROUGH FAITH. It is not the faith that is not of ourselves, it is grace that is not of ourselves. Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin is death, First John 1:8. Romans 3:23. But the GIFT of God is eternal life. Not faith. And Faith is not the gift. Eternal life is the gift of God by faith alone apart from works. Romans 4:5-8. Acts 16:31 period. John 3:16-18. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) For it is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. John 3:18. Ephesians 1:13-14. Notice. We do not get the seal of the Holy Spirit of promise until we believe the gospel. Ephesians 4:30. And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. First Timothy 2:19. Nevertheless, the foundation of God is sure, having this seal, Ephesians 1:13, the Lord knoweth them that are His.
@AbBowhunter
@AbBowhunter Жыл бұрын
@@jimkraft9445 Romans 12:3 specifically says a persons measure of faith is assigned by God. Salvation by grace through faith - both are from God.
@jimkraft9445
@jimkraft9445 Жыл бұрын
Faith is not the GIFT. Eternal life is the GIFT. Romans 6:23. For the penalty for sin is death, and we all sin, First John 1:8, and we all die, but, the GIFT of God is eternal life. Not faith. And faith is not a work. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, (The thief on the cross) His faith is counted for righteousness. Faith apart from works. Romans 3;26-28. For He is the just and the justifier of them that BELIEVE in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? By the law of works? Nay, but by the law of FAITH. Therefore we conclude a man is justified by FAITH apart from the deeds of the law. No one gets the seal of the Holy Spirit until AFTER we believe the gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4. Ephesians 1:13-14. Ephesians 4:30. First John 5:13. John 6:47.
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned". YOU must be born-again to see the Kingdom of Heaven. "But even if we, or an angel from Heaven should preach a Gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse."
@nikokapanen82
@nikokapanen82 Жыл бұрын
I was partially dragged to Calvinism kicking against it for years.
@happyforever1528
@happyforever1528 Жыл бұрын
So are you still kicking and screaming ??? .
@ruthirwin8222
@ruthirwin8222 Жыл бұрын
Something in me rails against synergy in respect to Gods work......mot sure where that comes from..maybe the shorter catechism
@1962mrpaul
@1962mrpaul Жыл бұрын
“For if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” Romans 8:13. The “you” in this verse are the born again Christians at Rome to whom Paul is writing. It is clearly synergistic: in order to live (that is, live eternally, participate in the divine nature) we must co-operate with the Spirit and put to death the deeds of the body (that is, sinful works). Yet even born-again Christian’s can live by the flesh, which will lead to spiritual death. R.C. Sprout was very articulate and intelligent and seemed a good-humored, humble & affectionate man. He also taught erroneous doctrine.
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
It is written... He has put ALL my sins behind His back, never to be remembered again. He has thrown ALL my sins into the lake of forgetfulness. As far is the east is from west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us. And on the Cross, Jesus declared "It is finished", it would be shameful if I thought I could add to His work. He paid it ALL. I'm trusting in the finished work of Christ and will not trample underfoot the precious blood of Jesus.
@1962mrpaul
@1962mrpaul Жыл бұрын
@@RockingChairRebel One favorite subterfuge of false teachers is to take random verses out of context, string them together and get them to appear to say something they don’t actually say. The reference to God casting “all my sins behind His back” comes from Isaiah 38 where King Hezekiah after being told he is soon to die, prays: “Ah, Lord, remember how faithfully and wholeheartedly I conducted myself in your presence, doing what was good in your sight!” And Hezekiah wept bitterly. After this, the LORD sends Isaiah to tell King Hezekiah that his prayer has been heard and his life will be extended 15 more years. In gratitude Hezekiah composes a hymn of thanksgiving that God had “cast behind his back all my sins!” Why did God do this? Because God remembered the good that Hezekiah had done! Out of consideration for Hezekiah’s good deeds and tears of repentance, God remits the punishment Hezekiah deserved. Yes, God casts our sins into the “sea of forgetfulness (Micah 7:19)” after we have endured His wrath because of our sins (Micah 7:9). In other words, after God has purged and purified us of our sinfulness, He remembers our sins “no more.” If I had a nickel for every time I explained what Jesus meant by “It is finished” …. In John 6:38 Jesus said: “I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me,” and in John 4:34 He said: “My food is to do the will of the one who sent me and to finish his work.” So when Jesus said “It is finished,” He was declaring He had done everything He was sent to do, had finished the work assigned to Him. Does this mean Jesus has done all that needs to be done for our salvation? Well, the Apostle Paul didn’t think so, for he wrote: “in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church (Colossians 1:24).” What could possibly be “lacking” in Christ’s atoning work on the cross? Answer: our participation! The elect are “predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son (Romans 8:29)” for we are “heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him (Roman 8:17).” Suffering with Christ, sharing His cross, are necessary components to our salvation! Now I am not saying you are a false teacher but clearly you are not rightly dividing the word. The Bible is not a compilation of proof texts; read the whole of Scripture, read each verse in context, and steer clear of teachers offering cheep grace, do-nothing salvation, or name-it-and-claim-it nonsense. Don’t “stand” on the word: Live the Word! Peace, brother.
@PotterSpurn1
@PotterSpurn1 Жыл бұрын
So, let's get this clear: according to Calvinists, God chooses you before the foundation of the world, but you remain totally depraved and dead in your sins still, just like the condemned, and incapable of responding to the God (who is well still pleased with those he 'elected' according to the WC). Then, at the point of the effectual call, he regenerates his elect (bringing them alive to salvation)before handing them faith to believe (regeneration is before not after faith in Calvinism). But, wait, he must hand them faith first and then regenerates them (to ensure Ephesians 2:8 makes sense because it claims that faith comes before regeneration. It reads…. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith (due to faith, which implies faith is what prompts grace and so comes before not after regeneration)-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God." (God hands you faith and regenerates you). This passage, through Calvinist lens, implies that God gave a dead person (TD'd) faith and then he regenerates them (to bring them alive). So faith comes before not after regeneration only it comes from God not from the person. So how can a dead person, still dead in their T&S, receive faith at all if they have not yet been regenerated and made alive to Christ? It makes a nonsense out of the whole concept of Total Depravity. Their stated Ordo Salutis, regeneration before faith, only makes sense if God chose his elect before the foundations of the world and by his own hand, he made he them not totally depraved (regenerate) whilst keeping the rest in that state of TD, which may explain why God was well pleased) with what he had done and so they could go onto receive the faith God grants them later on at the effectual call. Yet that is not what Sproul says here. Why? Because it sounds too similar to Free Grace theology that dismisses the whole idea of Total Depravity as making man incapable of responding to God's call. The only difference being that Man gives his faith to God he isn't given it first, and God responds with the Holy Spirit and hope of salvation. Can anyone, like me, see the obvious problem with his own explanation to make sense of Eph2:8 without resorting what he describes as semi-palagianism or to avoid it to dismiss Total Depravity as convincing? In order to dodge the Free Grace bullet, he has to put his own theology in the firing line - the most important part too for which the rest depends from the Doctrines of Grace.
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
This is NOT calvinism...this is Christianity. Roman's, Hebrews, John, Jeremiah and more, declare of God's FOREKNOWLEDGE, CALLING, ELECTION, PREDESTINATION. One only needs to open their Bible and ask the Lord for a teachable Spirit.
@PotterSpurn1
@PotterSpurn1 Жыл бұрын
@@RockingChairRebel Not in terms of individuals it doesn't.
@RockingChairRebel
@RockingChairRebel Жыл бұрын
@@PotterSpurn1 It is written... Unto you which therefore believe, He is precious; but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them that stumble at the Word, being disobedient; whereunto they were also APPOINTED.✝️
@travissharon1536
@travissharon1536 Жыл бұрын
monergism isn't really a word. Ot was invented in the 1930s Tobe used as an arguement for Augistinian determinism. Regeneration follows faith. ephesians 1: 13,14 God is 100% responsible for salvation, man makes a free choice to ask for or accept that free gift. The Lazarus story is not soteriological.
@lonniegibson7675
@lonniegibson7675 Жыл бұрын
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. Mat 11:27 AND John 6:65, He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
@PotterSpurn1
@PotterSpurn1 Жыл бұрын
@@lonniegibson7675 No one is saying that God doesn't 100% save man. He just doesn't control everything that we do to bring us to faith, but rather expresses his sovereignty by granting man the free will to accept or reject him with some choosing to do either. The monogysm -v- synergism argument is a red herring and a flawed way of explaining Calvinism by using the worldview of Calvinism to do it.
@daywalker3630
@daywalker3630 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how Calvinist evangelize unbelievers, will they say God loves you and sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for you and if you believe Jesus Christ you will be saved? Later tell him he believed because he was born again before he believed.
@aletheia8054
@aletheia8054 Жыл бұрын
There’s a bunch of videos on KZfaq of Calvinist witnessing to people. Maybe you should go watch one of them and find out
@daywalker3630
@daywalker3630 Жыл бұрын
@@aletheia8054 thanks I am reminded, I think I need start watching also Living water Rey Comfort evangelism. Evangelizing, introducing the grace of God and Christ did for humanity and faith in Jesus and repentance from sin and following Jesus as a Christian. More than that I think is another gospel, a false and tricky gospel.
@aletheia8054
@aletheia8054 Жыл бұрын
@@daywalker3630 It’s probably a good idea to read your Bible
@daywalker3630
@daywalker3630 Жыл бұрын
@@aletheia8054 always, Bible coffee ☕ morning with bakery bread 🍞
@aletheia8054
@aletheia8054 Жыл бұрын
@@daywalker3630 Yeah. 4 to 6 hours a day of Bible study over here.
@tuppence144
@tuppence144 Жыл бұрын
Clear as mud. Indisputable.
@jessyjonas4988
@jessyjonas4988 Жыл бұрын
I find these dialogues meaningless Simply meditate on the goodness of God and Give God thanks for what He has done
@Daedal71
@Daedal71 Жыл бұрын
What a sad tired reasoning. Lazarus was dead, he couldn't do anything, obviously this is an analogy to salvation. Of Jesus would have only told us why he raised Lazarus. Like so they would believe or something.
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