like…did i hear that right?

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@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

“If I’m ‘living with autism,’ autism better be paying half of the damn rent.” - A wise proclaimed Reddit user One study found that 87% of autistic adults preferred to self-identify with identity first language (Taboas et al., 2022). Person first language is often used by parents of disabled people. It’s also commonly used and encouraged by non-profits for disabled people that are run by the able-bodied. Are there autistic people who prefer person first? Sure and absolutely! But it’s 2024, let’s stop making these decisions for groups we aren’t a part of. Personally, person first language diminishes the impact and experience that is living as an autistic human being. In my own perspective, “person with autism” works to distance me from my autism. My autism is not something that can be separated from me. I can’t wake up and decide to leave it at the door some days, despite how much I might wish I could sometimes. It is my brain, and my brain is my life. It permeates every facet of my being, impacting the way I experience the world. Autistic is not a bad word. Disabled is not a bad word. Suggesting that “autistic person” is bad, dehumanizing, or makes someone less of a person, is scary. I am autistic and I am human. I am an autistic human. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. How do you feel about person and identity first language? What are your experiences with the two?

@Financiallyfreeauthor Ай бұрын

There’s a lot of history with it. I started in disability rights in the 90s and the world was very different then. I think it’s hard for younger disabled folks to understand how much person-first language mattered then. I appreciate the shift to identity-first language but there’s an important history of person-first and it was not made up by abled people.

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

I only recently learned that it did begin in disability rights, and you make a really good point here. I respect anyone who prefers to self-identify with person first. I think the main frustration here was my suggestion that the able bodied don’t actually care to look into what disabled people think and prefer, because if they did, they would see statistics and opinions like the one I pinned - 87% is such a high percentage. It seems many will push person first because they think it’s the right thing to do, not because disabled people prefer it.

@Financiallyfreeauthor Ай бұрын

@@brisbreathing you’re totally right. I think “well meaning” abled people might hear one preference and just get stuck with that’s the one way

@scorpionic-night Ай бұрын

i'm diabetic and i'm fine with people calling me a diabetic lol. its what i am. "person with diabetes" sounds weird. in my college career, they brought up person first language as the preferred language because it isnt dehumanizing for the person. idk. they mean well is my overall opinion.

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

I agree, I don’t think people mean harm. I think it’s more appropriate to ask someone what they prefer or look into the communities they’re addressing. Disabilities ARE human and I hope that one day they can be seen that way as they are.

@Financiallyfreeauthor Ай бұрын

Thirty years ago person-first was strongly preferred by the majority of disabled people. Not all professors and other professionals have kept up with the shift in preference.

@sheisMavi Ай бұрын

It's also something I've heard a lot from fellow autistics too. They don't feel like they have a disability or disorder, which is great and I'm happy for them! But I feel like it's a disability. It's different for everyone

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

I agree, to me it’s a disability for sure. But we’re all entitled to that opinion!

@SR3272 Ай бұрын

I only feel disabled when around NTs. I'm amazing at my job, a great mother, have my home and life set up for me, great friends. Then I get around people who don't understand me and get treated like a freak

@Augh-sf7eq Ай бұрын

THIS TOOK ME SO LONG TO UNDERSTAND I HAD TO SCROLL THE COMMENTS FOR LIKE FIVE MINUTES😭😭

@emmareffe1582 Ай бұрын

To be fair, teachers are taught all thru college to use person first language. Coming from an education major.

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

Yeah, I hear this is really common. It’s considered proper, but it doesn’t seem - statistically or culturally - that they actually checked on disabled people’s preferences for this.

@msjkramey Ай бұрын

Person first language isn't saying that a disability diminishes your value as a person. It's saying that you are an entire person with many interesting and important things about you other than the disability label

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

Hi, yes I do understand this. Unfortunately this is the explanation I have heard from two non-profit spaces that I’ve worked in now (for disability, run by the non-disabled). It’s frustrating to hear, and I know they don’t mean harm, but I’m not sure if they realize what they are communicatingwhen they put it that way…

@h0td0gwater Ай бұрын

If in doubt, default to how somebody self-identifies! ❤

@nerdy_asmrtist Ай бұрын

I understand neither the audio nor the caption

@kuroknight5103 Ай бұрын

Just tell us what to say cause english is hard. I couldn't even understand the text in the video and english is my first language lol

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

I was referring to the use of ‘identity first’ and ‘person first’ language in reference to disability and how the non-disabled tend to address it versus how disabled people often address it. It is a tad confusing how I wrote it actually 😭😭

@kuroknight5103 Ай бұрын

@brisbreathing so instead of "he is autistic" we should say "autistic is he" or... I think I need college

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

@@kuroknight5103 hahah no you’re all good he is autistic is definitely right 😂 essentially there are many non-disabled people who believe we shouldn’t say someone is ‘autistic’ or ‘disabled’ but rather a ‘person with autism’ or ‘person with a disability’ so here I was expressing my opinion on that

@sunspicecitrus Ай бұрын

Hello! So person-first are terms like "person with autism" or "person with disabilities", while identity-first are terms like "autistic person" and "disabled person". Video creator has also added a lengthy comment pinned with more explanations if you need to learn more besides the linguistics aspect.

@kuroknight5103 Ай бұрын

@sunspicecitrus thanks, makes sense

@kaylawonnacott6396 Ай бұрын

Ok but how is it demunanizing to put the adjective "disabled" in front of the noun "person" (because thats where adjectives go in english) but its perfectly acceptable to completely replace the noun "woman" with the color of her hair? It kinda seems to me like these people just think that disabilities themselves are somehow dehumanizing and should be shoved away, hidden and ignored, instead of simply accepting them as a part of a person just as worthy of acceptance as any other part of them.

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

THANK YOU. Ignore someone’s disability because acknowledging it is dehumanizing, but reduce an entire human being to her hair color. Makes 0 sense.

@laylaluann9481 Ай бұрын

I think what the person was trying to say is that you should consider all people equal and not mention that they're disabled because its polite to treat them like they are just like everyone else i dont think it was meant in a bad way like i wouldnt use someone's condition to describe them i would just be like this is my friend emily...

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

Hey! The thing is, disabled people are different. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t face the unique struggles and challenges in life that they do because they would be “just like everyone else.” Disabilities wouldn’t exist. That being said, should we be treated like we are less than BECAUSE we are disabled? Absolutely not! And I think most people agree on this. To pretend someone in a wheelchair is living no differently than someone who isn’t, or to pretend that autistic people are no different than neurotypicals, just isn’t true. This is just my POV as an autistic person. Pretending there’s no difference downplays our experiences, because there definitely is - and different does not equal less! Hope that made sense

@teshuvatolchin5938 Ай бұрын

I think person first language is genuinely helpful for some conditions. For example "person with depression" implies they are not their diagnosis. "depressed person" is much more black and white. in circumstances that involve mental illness and addiction and other things that one does need to recover from it is necessary to separate the diagnosis from the person. this is not the case for autism as it is impossible to view the person as separate from autism. in my experience most people who say "person with autism" are just trying their best to say what is correct. it is a very specific phrase to "unlearn" so in my personal opinion I don't care how they refer to autistic people as long as they don't reflect the values you describe in this video.

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

This is a great explanation, thank you for sharing

@msjkramey Ай бұрын

Well, I'm never going to stop being bipolar. For many people, addiction and mental illness are chronic/life long conditions. I'm going to be in therapy and taking medication for the rest of my life, and that's okay On the other hand, I no longer consider myself physically disabled. I spent a year and a half relearning how to feed myself, use the bathroom, shower, use a wheelchair then a walker then a cane then nothing. I'm not 100% at my pre-coma health/strength, but I don't need any accommodations either I personally prefer person first language because I hate being boiled down to have my entire identity be being bipolar. But I'm also not going to tell other people what to call themselves

@edwardpaddock2528 Ай бұрын

"Person with depression" and "depressed person" have the same meaning, as such the one that wastes the least time to say, is the most correct one. Tone policing is only, and always, bad. It adds an extra barrier in the ability to talk about things that are already hard to talk about. It is the opposite of compassionate, and always, and only, makes things worse. The Disability is the problem, adding MORE problems, that distract from the REAL problem, is, at best, counter productive, and cruel. I am a disabled. I require help. Being corrected against using proper grammar is NOT helpful. The fact I am a 'person' should be exactly obvious . . . as it is a prerequisite to be having the conversation in the first place.

@msjkramey Ай бұрын

@@edwardpaddock2528 that's not tone policing

@lisagayle1976 Ай бұрын

Not even understandable!

@alycat24ab Ай бұрын

First thought: DISABLED AND AUTISTIC ARE NOT BAD WORDS. We are not "handicapable", my body doesnt freakin work karen. That doesnt make me less of a damn human. Two: im lazy/hands hurt typing too much so i prefer the shortest terms possible lmao. "Autistic person" vs "person with autism", im picking the first because of the first point, and also cause it's easier to type and say lol. This is coming from a heavily disabled and (yet to be officially diagnosed) autistic person. 🦓🧂🥄🧡

@brisbreathing Ай бұрын

Nothing more I hate than “special needs” and “differently abled.” Handicapable is a HATE CRIME 😭