@joshualuttrell7269 Ай бұрын
Max telling everyone not to yap too much after every pick then yapping too much after everybody's pick
@HootsDefiasBrotherhood Ай бұрын
the man literally commented on everyone's pick, but i get it, he is passionate about it!
@needsanameedit4982 Ай бұрын
Kind of want Fronk to add in his personal list to these drafts, an editor's choice of sorts.
@bradleyps Ай бұрын
Do this.
@meecrob500 Ай бұрын
He loves doing that kinda stuff
@leowulfjenkins Ай бұрын
Dratnos picking a full ST raid just to oppress moonkins even more is peak
@darkmatterpancake9824 Ай бұрын
Dratnos, truly a man of the people
@robertwacholz5646 Ай бұрын
Need a visual counter for every "Thats right" from Daddy Dratty. Fronk loves doing stuff like that
@vicakakick Ай бұрын
Thats right
@iantha999 Ай бұрын
I love jack picking healer bosses in this. I would hard agree that Maut and Hivemind were awesome fights to heal.
@WarthUnder-om8ox Ай бұрын
I wonder what the correlation of it being healer fights and also having the lowest pullcount is. Maybe Jak liked the bosses because healers were more impactful, and he as a good player could reduce the number of pulls? Instead of having DPS wiping him? Or maybe since it was healer-focused fights, they were by default easier, since there are only 4 healers, so fewer people that can mess up?
@brenden1860 Ай бұрын
Hivemind was a blast for AOE dps too one of my favorites
@iantha999 Ай бұрын
@@WarthUnder-om8ox As a healer, I can tell you. Predictable damage, where you can plan cooldowns around and absolutely pop off during them? Cool. (Maut/Sludgefist/abyssal commander) Rot damage fights where you have constant impact on the survivability of the raid, and are constantly doing something? Awesome (Hivemind/Orgozoa/Abyssal commander) I don't think it has anything to do with easier fights. Even Sylvannas was a good fight to heal. And I hard agree with Max, that people give sylvannas too much shit (mainly because heroic sylvannas was a dogshit fight) What suprised me, was that Jack picked Mekkatorque as a fight though, and maybe my experience on that fight was a bit biased since my guild wasn't that good, but fights where your players have to Line of sight with a mechanic that can kill them (bombs) Is not enjoyable for me.
@WarthUnder-om8ox Ай бұрын
@@iantha999 Right, I agree with you that they are cool fights, the question is how does that relate to their low pull count?
@ConiugatioPeriphrast Ай бұрын
@@WarthUnder-om8ox I guess you're right about less people being able to mess up. Theres only so many mechanics you can put in a single fight, and if one or more are aimed at healers, they're not oneshots (unless they're dispels, but those dont make healing fun, because dispelling is by definition not healing)
@Catboysanji Ай бұрын
Max’s list is actually so griefed by council of blood, fyrakk and opulence it’s wild. Growls list is actually goated
@SomeRandomGuy2112 Ай бұрын
Growl is forever the man of the people
@lukasnorie Ай бұрын
agree on everything except opulence, opulence was alright, but definitely better choices out there. I do not for the life of me understand the fyrak pick even with the RWF PoV except for the fact that it was super close and exciting, the fight is just not a s-tier boss
@iantha999 Ай бұрын
I think it's kind of ironic how people say "at the start of shadowlands we knew there'd be the Anima power boss and we feared for it" and in the same sentence praise Opulence which is in essence a sort of precursor to an anima power boss. That being said, I loved opulence. And i think that pick is actually very very cultured. Council of blood is a grief I agree.
@erike9074 Ай бұрын
Hard agree. Fyrakk has one of the best final phases of all time, but the private auras in intermission and P2 make the fight automatically F tier for a lot of players.
@jamie96311 Ай бұрын
Council of blood is great
@Thorn796 Ай бұрын
THD had all the hardcore players, Dratnos had the casual players (except for the end of the raid), Jak had the healers, Growl had Smolderon and Rashok, Meeix had nothing and Max had Sludgefist. Opulence, Botanist, Council of blood and Fyrakk are meh imo. I just feel like Max went for a well rounded raid which in the end attracts nobody. I stand by the poll with Dratnos ahead
@jacobtafoya2462 Ай бұрын
THD with the 1700 pull count raid. If your raid team survives that entire raid they will get sent to the warfront because they can survive ANYTHING.
@joshmaxwell9093 Ай бұрын
Max was so upset that he didn't win, saying his was objectively the best and his chat just didn't want to vote for him. But he just didn't have the best list and it wasn't close lmao
@icresp4263 Ай бұрын
Yeah he had a couple good ones but not everyone loved those bosses. I wasn't huge on sludgefist, hated council of blood, amalgamation chamber, and tel'arn.
@prophetofchud3387 Ай бұрын
I love this type of content that he does but Max really can't wrap his head around other people having a different opinion than him lol
@sneaksies8931 Ай бұрын
@@icresp4263ydkb
@ShardsOfStone Ай бұрын
Max might be a great raider but he is kinda bad at drafting imo lol.
@fruntastic4257 Ай бұрын
This makes me realize how cool it would be for a fated season (if they continue to do it) if instead of fated raids we could get a boss rush type of raid using previous bosses. I would be happy with any of these lists but i think tunning would be hard because each raid tunning was so tied to the borrowed power we had at that time.
@bongcrusha420 Ай бұрын
this is honestly the kind of cook blizz should do for season 4s or w.e the end of expac season is instead of raid rotations. make some torghast esque tower with top tier bosses to work through. can make it some community event for the bosses to be chosen somehow
@akunomatata7897 Ай бұрын
Thd, max, and meeix straight throwing here
@matthewhudson1128 Ай бұрын
I think alot of people hate Fyrakk seed mechanics and Council of Blood while I enjoyed it, I don't think its a peoples pick. Surprised there was no mention of Jaina, loved that fight personally.
@Basherslice Ай бұрын
I’d sooner poison myself with hemlock than vote for Sludgefist as a demon hunter. If you did it as a DH, you probably know why it had to do with fel rush.
@darkmatterpancake9824 Ай бұрын
Stop fel rushing during chains, youre gonna kill two people with one button
@Kalastrian Ай бұрын
I feel like most DH played demonic that tier so we didn’t have to FR much at all
@Basherslice Ай бұрын
@@darkmatterpancake9824 thats the precise problem
@kasper1241 Ай бұрын
Max is definitely overestimating his own list. Amalgamation, Botanist, Council, Avatar and Fyrakk are far from my favourite fights. I think he base his opinion on Mythic and a lot of people only did these bosses in heroic pugs.
@horiapopa3172 Ай бұрын
max is actually such a sore loser lmao.
@Tyberes Ай бұрын
Warning the healers that I was about to send an auto crit Glacial Spike on Maut was the most fun I ever had raiding.
@hrolnir Ай бұрын
On a long enough timeline, all WoW content becomes spreadsheets
@hrolnir Ай бұрын
Also Max is a classic Fantasy Draft yapper. 100% in everybody else's head
@ryananderson1887 Ай бұрын
Dratnos' Star Augur Pick literally brought back one of my best and most head slamming Mythic raid boss memories. Still my favorite mythic raid of MY experience.
@Rellfy Ай бұрын
Look at how fast the Nathria bosses go. GOAT raid!
@Kelsousername Ай бұрын
I love these videos. I drive for work so listen to it in the background like a normal podcast. Keep them coming ! Also, Growl is king
@darkness9538 Ай бұрын
Watching this live amazing max just rage quit his stream after he lost the vote it was the greatest thing ever
@bayazwow Ай бұрын
Not even gonna watch but I already know Growl will have the best raid because he just picks bosses that are fun to play
@FeralKobold Ай бұрын
With the stipulation that if they tuned it higher it would have been S tier, I'm a little sad not to see volcoross. That fight had the opportunity to be such an amazing DPS check but they just gave it way too little HP and it ended up getting steamrolled and was more like a mid raid break than a hard check like it should have been
@mattn-mn Ай бұрын
Dratnos: "That's Right" TM
@kasper1241 Ай бұрын
“I think your name is just too close to Max” 😂😂😂
@Dyinghistorymajor Ай бұрын
shoutout to my boy Jak for repping us healers
@mebrandonb Ай бұрын
I don't know why people were so against Jak's list, there were a lot of really fun fights on there. Hivemind to this day remains one of my favorite raid bosses ever, that shit was cool.
@aaronhewitt6312 Ай бұрын
They still going to do top 10 best raid bosses? They did 10 worst dungeons and raid bosses but only 10 best dungeons. There will be a lot of overlap but it’s a different type of list.
@avinion Ай бұрын
Should have voted in 3 rounds, tank, healer and dps perspective.
@cod-the-creator Ай бұрын
Ursoc lives rent free in my nightmares. I played spriest. On farm Ursoc died so fast you had to s2m at like 50% which didn't leave much room for error (in a spec that already had the tightest rotation in the history of the game). This shouldn't be an issue, but whenever Ursoc would charge we'd have a mage blinking to africa or someone running the wrong direction or some shit. Ursoc would charge, everyone loses a little uptime, I die. Everyone laughs. Fuck Ursoc.
@frank1469 Ай бұрын
You should also give names to your raids, and vote for each others raid in top 3's
@Vikingeek Ай бұрын
Not sure if it'd make a whole lot of difference, but could've been a fun addition to include picking which raid's trash to use in their draft raid - I'm sure everyone has thoughts on which raid has good/bad trash too ;op
@Keldonnation Ай бұрын
Max had a banger list a lot of the comments are tripping. My guild still quotes council of blood lol. But Dratnos definitely deserved that win
@duetobe Ай бұрын
this needs to be on twitter without names
@TheMashuto Ай бұрын
This was banger content. I do hope max doesn’t take the bit too personal. Even if it is hilarious to watch.
@okayleethogs1068 Ай бұрын
I get why, but it’s a shame WoD isn’t included. They still haven’t made an end boss better than Mythic Blackhand. Gul’dan, Sire, and Argus are close but not quite.
@Shadowfex Ай бұрын
Ya, I just always get sad when I see these cuz I know it's just gonna be Legion-DF. Would really like to see a group do this for all expansions.
@fe1ian637 Ай бұрын
they should have some of that casual podcast guys here too
@stynbeats 24 күн бұрын
I wachted the fantasy class making video before this one and i'm just now learning that Growl is YumyTV, which makes his whole Magician class so much more funny
@plutocat1229 Ай бұрын
Is this sheet (the template) available somewhere?
@keetaroth Ай бұрын
i like these, blizzard should make a weekly boss rush mode with bosses on a random rotation every week
@justcuz8687 Ай бұрын
Love this!! keep up with these videos! Great series
@averyward7520 Ай бұрын
Yoooooooo THD being here made my day. Let's goooo!
@tyrgannusgaming6657 28 күн бұрын
Best raid of all time would in some way incorporate the karazhan soundtrack. That is all.
@Jrose767 Ай бұрын
Fronk loves doing a lot of stuff huh
@Eyad.k2 Ай бұрын
Man, dratnos picking is so bang
@Csucsugamushi Ай бұрын
Mine would be: Shriek Amalgamation Soulrender Lady Ashvane Rashok Star Augur Sludgefist Rygelon Argus
@RealCecilion 27 күн бұрын
Max keeps saying his raids slaps and im in here hating almost every fight he chose lol
@WhiteWolves. Ай бұрын
The only thing that was missing from this was like a layout pick also, just so when we voted in chat we would have a better idea of what we would hate or love to do😂
@redtemple8918 Ай бұрын
Shame you don’t go from ToT onwards I’d say there’s some mega first bosses like immersius and kargath bladefist for example I think that those tiers are also of modern quality
@kmdsubs3148 28 күн бұрын
For me, Growl's list is the easy choice
@TayzerLazerGames Ай бұрын
Before watching - If sire denathrius or le shen isn't on here we riot.
@erike9074 Ай бұрын
I wish they included pre-Legion expansions in this but understand why they don't. Their boss pool is missing some of the GOATs like kaelthas, Lich King, H Ragnaros, Lei Shen, Seigecrafter, and Blackhand.
@ViriuZ7 Ай бұрын
Why is it only from Legion trough Dragonflight?
@slykotic8718 Ай бұрын
Growl's raid on repeat i'd resub forever
@pizapzop Ай бұрын
I love how Max is gasing his own picks when it is unasailably by far the absolute WORST of all 6 😂 and it Isn’t close
@BunsGlaizin Ай бұрын
Am I the only person that loves Ghuun the most 😂
@icresp4263 Ай бұрын
As a tank and dps main i wouldve picked Jak's list. Every single boss in there was super fun. Couldnt pick one i didnt like. The other lists all had a stinker or 2.
@wantsomecandy9531 Ай бұрын
54:29 is so based
@snozer500 Күн бұрын
Jak's list is the best.
@eonarose Ай бұрын
We need to start a union for fronk.
@vaypur8584 Ай бұрын
How the fuck did Nzoth not get picked?! Greatest boss of all time
@griffinsmall4597 20 күн бұрын
this goes out to Toxicraven1123 at 27:52 .... CUZ SYLVANAS WASN'T IT BIG DOG.
@stewartbell4736 Ай бұрын
Ofc Thd's raid has the highest pull count!
@riddermark1398 Ай бұрын
Shriek wing blows
@Rosario101 Ай бұрын
I posted this idea on the M+ draft video, love that they are doing this! Looking forward to watching Max lose again 😅
@dudenamedskip Ай бұрын
I don't watch the streams, is the whole "sore loser" thing a bit? Other than that, this was a lot of fun to listen to.
@mebrandonb Ай бұрын
It was a mixture of things. He was warned by (I think) Dratnos in advance that, if they did this list in this format, Max's chat would just vote against him for the luls, and you can tell Max put a lot of thought into his list and thought it was worth more votes than it got (which is true, imo).
@alexpettersson5635 Ай бұрын
Free the document to the public i wanna duplicate it and play too XD
@mellowsunset7730 Ай бұрын
I generally liked the picks, a lot of great bosses in the last few years. I like how the best players like a good hard challenge (unlike some of the so-called high end mythic + players who whine and moan for everything to be nerfed and made more bland and easy all the time).
@GantaaOhime Ай бұрын
What is "mid raid wall"?
@mehet__ Ай бұрын
Spectacular Also Jak and Meeix robbed
@LATHSPELL70 Ай бұрын
Where is Rashok??
@Arithawn84 Ай бұрын
Nice music Fronk
@TheOnlyFreestylex Ай бұрын
Dratnos list is just better
@TooMuchTuna7 Ай бұрын
Glad Jak came!
@rodrigoa4506 Ай бұрын
My list as a mage: garroshi xy'mox (sepulcher) krosus Imonar kin'garoth halondrus maiden fallen avatar kil'jaeden honorable mentions: denathrius as last boss, MOTHER and inquisition as 2nd early bosses fight me yea 7 legion bosses lol, I enjoyed the fuck out of that expansion also 0 DF bosses
@ToxicTurtleIsMad Ай бұрын
No siegecrafter blackfuse???????????????????????
@snuggoe Ай бұрын
we love u fronk
@JakeRowland337 Ай бұрын
Maybe it's just me but this music at the beginning is obnoxious. Just constant random noises that make it aggressively difficulty to hear what people are saying.
@Koetzah Ай бұрын
maximum delusion
@NoOne4k Ай бұрын
Oney reason i dont like Max list for example ist because Fyrakk has the least epic theme out of all these endbosses. Like if you stand infront of a boss for 200 pulls the theme and voicelines have to be absolute bangers as well. Fyrakk just didnt hit that Warcraft feel
@seifyk Ай бұрын
Should have been Siege forward
@koramorgaming Ай бұрын
ranked choice polls! lol
@occasionalgoldfish Ай бұрын
I live for yap content. Pls moar! Also praise Fronk!
@stevenhampson699 Ай бұрын
good picks all round
@caseycoffman9692 Ай бұрын
Dratnos > Growl > everything else was garbage.
@urbenjames12 Ай бұрын
King Growl
@daenerys231 Ай бұрын
Max here not realizing that good bosses for RWF aren't necessarily good for your casual CE raider. Council of Blood bad, Avatar bad, Fyrakk, total shit. Shriekwing was good, the rest of his were very meh. Dratnos and Grow picked bosses that were great for casual CE raiders which is why they won.
@20the20 Ай бұрын
isnt it pretty telling that all the most beloved fights are purely single target? having to switch to little shitters or larodar roots or dutiful attendants is the fucking worst and blizzard needs to take note.
@iantha999 Ай бұрын
I raise you hivemind!
@20the20 Ай бұрын
@@iantha999 i have never once heard hivemind mentioned in any discussion of good bosses ever
@iantha999 Ай бұрын
@@20the20 Well it is in this video isn't it? So that's not true at all if you watched this video.
@leighjamieson1856 Ай бұрын
Meeix and Jak, I will catch the next video.
@joshuawoodard6998 Ай бұрын
Hivemind, Rygelon, Thaddius, Huntsman Alt, lady inerva, hungering destroyer, lords of dread w/o the w/a part, Dausegne, patchwerk, Maut. I only started CE 8.3 to current and casual before then for reference. I like bosses where mechanics don't stop you from pumping. Pure rotatation, your spec vs mine type of bosses.
@Erik_Arnqvist Ай бұрын
Seething
@marklushenley7868 Ай бұрын
Max you and the crew since you guys made raids should make a 20 man raid comp of the classes and specs you would take to this raid and pick the designs of those classes and specs starting from legion all the way to DF
@marklushenley7868 Ай бұрын
Draft style of course
@katusoqt Ай бұрын
holy fuck max makes his own content unbearable to watch. talks nonstop over every single other person
@alacritysp Ай бұрын
raid bosses not raids?
@painfullyavarage4316 Ай бұрын
I think the title is technically correct, they are drafting bosses to create a raid, and multiple people are participating making multiple raids
@alacritysp Ай бұрын
@@painfullyavarage4316 pretty sure title was without ''making'' the few min ago
@fronkacean Ай бұрын
@@alacritysp changed title from drating to making to avoid confusion - would still argue that they are drafting to create the best raid so that was the idea with the wording
@alacritysp Ай бұрын
@@fronkacean yea my bad it was kind of confusing
@wow6720 Ай бұрын
thd highest, growl lowest
@Ne0nw0w Ай бұрын
ayo
@NoOne4k Ай бұрын
Max trys way to hard to be liked btw
@deathofshadows Ай бұрын
Council and oppulence are mid af. And you took em when u had other options bruh
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