Should you use peptides and antioxidants together?

@@juicygirl99xx You can absolutely use these two together.

@@DoctorAnne Strange. I see in the douglas website that the one with copper peptides (the one I use) cannot be mingled around with anti-oxidants. www.douglas.nl/Verzorging-Gezicht-Gezichtsserums-The-Ordinary-Serum-“Buffet”-%2B-Copper-Peptides-1%25_productbrand_3000078177.html?query=ordinary%20peptides&webtrekkRedirectParams=eyJzZWFyY2hGaWx0ZXJPcmRlcmVkIjoibm8gZmlsdGVyIiwic2VhcmNoRmlsdGVyU3BsaXR0ZWQiOiJubyBmaWx0ZXIiLCJzb3J0RmllbGQiOiJubyBzb3J0IiwiaW1wcmVzc2lvblRyaWdnZXIiOiJpbml0aWFsIiwic2VhcmNoUGhyYXNlIjoib3JkaW5hcnkgcGVwdGlkZXMiLCJzZWFyY2hSZXN1bHRDb3VudCI6IjEiLCJwYWdlVHlwZSI6ImFydGljbGUtZGV0YWlsIn0=

Several websites will give you different advice, it is down to you who you choose to believe. Douglas will also tell you that parabens and silicones are bad for you on their section on Clean Beauty, which is absolutely not true. So again: You choose who you trust and then live by it.

If you do see an increase in hair growth in your face, will this be permanent, or could you simply stop using the product and your "hairiness" would go back to normal? Thank you for an informative video!

Thank you for sharing - great to hear you had good results.

@@DoctorAnne Sounds good but my confustion is WHEN do we use this product during skin care regiment...after exfoliating? before moisturising or? thanks

@@omansylva After cleansing and before moisturizer. After toner and exfoliant, if you use one. In your serum step, basically.

@Ruth Galura Please report back with your results as well.

@Ruth Galura did you use it and did it work well? How about for slight potted acne scars?

Thank you for your kind words.

That is so kind of you to say, thank you.

She is classy, isn't she?!

I really enjoy chatting skincare with you all.

@@DoctorAnneThanks, love ❤️

@@cheekymonkeygirl3378 Always welcome.

Interesting. Do you apply it directly to your brows?

@@DoctorAnne I was adding a little extra to my brows at the end of doing my face, just rubbed it in.

An easy choice for you then, and one that saves you money!

have you noticed increase hair growth with the regualr buffet?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I Know That's Right As Soon As The Dr. Said That l Was DONE. Oh No Thanks The Chin Hairs I Already Have Are "Enough"

Same. I have to "shave" myself at least once a fortnight because black hair + light skin + accelerated hair growth = ALL THE MOST VISIBLE HAIR IN THE FACE OF THE PLANET

Is it Buffet copper peptides is increasing hair growth or is it regular Buffet one ?

Thank you for adding that information. Kind of Stephen recently did an overview of the literature where he pointed out the reactivity of Copper Peptides is more a myth than a fact and that they can be combined, but most brands advise against it in their product desription, so it is definitely something to have in mind.

@@DoctorAnneI use Buffet Plus Copper Peptide before tretinoin and have had no problem with it. I worked up from every other night to every night with the Copper Peptide.

@@DallasNatureLover Thank you for sharing your experience.

This is exactly why I just stuck with the regular buffet…I use retinol at night and vit c in my morning routine. I wanted a consistent regime that I could implement without it getting overly complicated.

I used Copper peptide and wait for 2-3 minutes to settle it down & sink in , then buffer with normal ph calming serum or either hyaluronic acid ( I used Vichy and hyaluronic work wonders with peptide ) then add retinol ( I used paula's choice 0.3 + Vit C+ bakuchoil ) then moisturizer or ceramide cream to lock in moisture been doing this for over a years already , my skin has never feel better in my life . I don't know why the website state no retinol or vitamin C 😅

I am glad to hear that.

I have been using it for almost three months now consistently and do see a difference in firmness too.

@@DoctorAnne How often do you use it so as not to use too much?

@@skye892 I use min every other night (I alternate with Tretinoin), but every night would most likely be fine as well.

@@DoctorAnne Thanks so much! Love your channel!

I am glad you feel that way.

Welcome to the family then! I am a calm person I guess - I sometimes wonder if people fall asleep watching my videos.

You are welcome.

Oh, thank you.

You are welcome.

Thank you!

Exactly, although I already see a difference using it around four times a week.

You are welcome.

Without knowing your skin, I can just give general advice: Vitamin C in the mornings, peptides and Hyaluronic Acid whenever you want to and retinoids in the evenings is how it is usually done.

@@DoctorAnne Thanks for the reply Doctor. Thanks for being so kind.

Always welcome@@purp5021

I am extremely acne prone and didnt get acne from the copper peptide one at all. Best that works for me is not earing carbs.

It might be the peptides in general, but not everyone seems to experience that. Every skin seems to react a little different here.

I’ve heard in general it’s great to help with hair growth on the scalp 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@CARMuse1which one buffet or copper ?!

Apparently it does in you - it is hydrating, and a skin that is better hydrated looks more even for sure.

Are you seeing an esthetician or a dermatologist?

@@DoctorAnne Sorry late reply, but I've been shopping for one or the other recently! Haven't seen one as of yet, but there's not many specialists where I live in Delaware, especially with decent reviews to boot. But I do plan to see one as I'm getting older and want to take care of myself.

@@JamieNotLamie It is so helpful to get that expert opinion in! Good luck with the hunt and share if you find someone you can recommend.

Thank you. As for your questions: I don't think we can say for sure, but only because they can penetrate doesn't mean they are more effective. Peptides are messengers, which amino acids not always are, and just like having the building blocks to a key doesn't equal having the key, the same applies here. Some are supposedly soothing though, so no need to write them off either.

I never heard of that and I haven´t experienced any tanning myself when using them. Which is of course only anecdotal evidence, but I hope it helps.

Yes.

@@DoctorAnne Thank you very much !

@@guillaumeguilbaud226 You are welcome.

That is so kind of you, thank you.

Thank you. I try to do a thorough research for my videos so I can give you as much information as possible.

@@DoctorAnne

I did repurchase the Buffet + Copper Peptides in the end.

You are welcome.

If I had to pick one, I would always go for the retinoid. But you can use both on alternating nights, or retinol at night and copper peptides in the mornings.

I agree, but out of all the peptides, they do have the most data, even if that still isn’t much. I think if you compare it to other peptide serums, this one is still very affordable. But as I said, I am still not convinced it is something I want to invest in...

I am glad I could be of help.

I think you can mix it with Azelaic Acid if you apply that one first and then let it fully absorb, but the website will tell you not to mix it with any acids. And the minimum age... There is no harm in using it early on, but I don’t think you need it until you have the rest of your routine in place. I personally think peptides are for people in their 35+ years, before that I would put my money somewhere else.

@@DoctorAnne Thank you so much 😊

@@insha6178 You are welcome.

@@erammerchant5314 You at first need to get the basics right: Do you have a cleanser, a moisturizer and, most important, an SPF already?

Doctor Anne no I don’t hve cleanser and moisturiser from ordinary brand . I am using spf but that’s la Roche posay ones .

Yes, you can, but maybe a more gentle face wash and a richer moisturizer might yield better results than that.

You can use it, but I would try and solve the dehydration issue at the same time as that will affect the skins health in the long run.

@@DoctorAnne thanks for the answer.i got out from drying. And use same time copper ,was OK with it.

@@valeriaveselova1414 I am glad to hear that.

All of them can be used morning or night, but if it is just these that you have (and no other acids/retinoids etc.), I would recommend the following: Natural Moisturising and Caffeine in the mornings and the HA 2% + B5 at night, paired with either Vitamin C or Buffet all over the face and a few drops of Argireline around the eyes or deeper wrinkles.

@@DoctorAnne thank you for your answer.It was so fast. You are very kind!!!

@@amirarule3515 You are very welcome.

After using them for several weeks, I think I prefer the Copper Peptide one, but I am a little confused about the question as neither of them has Lactic Acid as important ingredient.

I have a dedicated video on how to introduce retinoids into your routine with minimal Irritation, so you might want to check that out for some tips. In regards to the Copper Peptides, use them either in the mornings or on the nights when you don´t use your retinol.

@@DoctorAnne thank you❤️

Doctor Anne your the best

@@missamoussa1997 Thank you.

I will put it on my list of requested topics.

@@DoctorAnne 🌷❤

Ordinary has a specific hair density caffeine and peptide based serum that works well!

I did not notice any on my face.

@@ocandro So you tried it?

@@DoctorAnne yes, I've been using the density serum for few months and I'm noticing a ton of new growth, even though my hair thinned out from hormonal issues, I frankly wasn't expecting it to work this well! Edit: oh god, I'm silly, I assumed the person was considering using Buffet on their scalp, but they were probably asking about hair on their face 😂 It could be good for thinning eyebrows!

@@ocandro But it is good to know that the density serum works so well for you!

I am sorry to hear that. It might not be agreeing with your skin then.

@@DoctorAnneyess mam my skin is dry nd sensitive....

@@syedmohammadaghashah2750 I am not sure if the dryness is the reason why it doesn't work.

You are welcome.

You are welcome. Have you tried any of them yourself?

@@DoctorAnne I was going to purchase the Buffet Copper peptide serum but am a bit hesitant now, as I have dark facial hair that is fairly visible if not threaded. I have, however, tried the normal Buffet and love it!

@@elleh6642 I don´t think the increase in hair growth happens for everyone and the effect would be reversible, so I don´t think it hurts to try the Copper version.

@@DoctorAnne thanks doctor, I ended up purchasing the copper peptide version today and will try!

@@elleh6642 Keep me updated how you like it.

That depends on your skin - try it, but don’t take it up all the way, products migrate and you don’t want skincare to get into your eyes.

@@DoctorAnne Thank you

@@peisinoefitness5539 You are welcome.

I don´t completely agree with you here: First it matters a lot which kind of Vitamin C you use. L-Ascorbic Acid is highly reactive and unstable, that is true, but the derivatives aren´t, and they are more commonly used these days. Vitamin C as umbrella term isn´t specific enough, as "Vitamin C" on the label means very different things. The next thing is that L-Ascorbic Acid is present and gets stored in our skin for longer periods of time, so following that argument, you could only ever use Copper Peptides if your skin would be depleted of that, something that hopefully never happens. So while I personally would not recommend mixing the two as in mixing them in the palm of your hand, I think it is perfectly fine to use one, let it absorb completely, and then use the other.

Doctor Anne thank you for correcting me! I understand better now

@@didtlfk I always appreciate a good discussion about skincare. Different people will have different opinions on some topics, and that is perfectly fine, so thank you for bringing that up.

It can.

I don’t think there would be any adverse effects, but I am not sure you would see an enhanced effect either. Try both and see how it works for you.

You are welcome.

To be honest, I don't think face yoga is very effective and I haven't seen any data on that either.

They are really nice for hydration as well, so no harm in using them early. I would recommend the original Buffet for that.

@@DoctorAnne thank you so much!! you are the best

@@rema262 You are welcome.

I apply most of my skin care around my eyes, the exception being acids and Tretinoin.

No. Skin doesn't work that way. You can supplement some of the natural production declining, but your skins collagen production is determined by internal factors or things like UV radiation for the majority, not by the skincare you put on top.

It sounds like you are already doing everything you can in terms of skincare, if you have a retinoid and sunscreen in your routine. Maybe add an antioxidant and some peptides if you want to, but I doubt they will make a huge difference, at least not hurt term.

You are welcome. Do you use Copper Peptides in your routine?

@@DoctorAnne not yet but this has been on my wish list for some time! Your video is a relief, thank you so much!

I don´t use them in the same routine, but on alternate nights.

I read an answer from decim for the same question and they've answered to use the buffet, leave it for 5 minutes after application, let it sink in the skin, dry out the top surface and then you can apply tretinoin, waiting time is to avoid negative reaction between the 2 product's if they'd mix. Also if your skin dries quickly (you know your skin type and how it behaves overnight with tretinoin) add moisturiser 5-10 minutes after tretinoin to keep the skin moist overnight, also try to sleep on your back if possible, not sides, that also contributes to wrinkles, ages skin, gets it stretched, soggy etc. Hope this helps.

Not exactly. You will probably not be able to see results with the bare eye, but Copper peptides have more research, so they might work better - if that is worth the money though depends on you.

Thank u sooo much for ur reply , it means alot ♥️♥️♥️

@@naziahussain6663 You are welcome.

Sunscreen is the last step in your routine, so you would use it after the Buffet Copper Peptides.

Yes, that works.

@@DoctorAnne Thank you for answering! The antioxidants in the Q10 serum won’t cancel out the peptides in the Buffet serum correct? Do you know which one should be layered onto the skin first? Please and thank you 😭

@@zehraadil2811 Make sure to let them absorb and then layer whichever suits you best first, it really doesn´t matter.

@@DoctorAnne Thank you so much! Much love and stay safe!

Yes, you can use it after your Vitamin C serum. Which serum is it you are using?

I am using the mad hippie vitamin c serum in the morning. Should I apply the ordinary buffet first or the mad hippie vitamin c first? ❤️thanks so much ❤️

That depends on the texture of the Mad Hippie Serum, but for maximum results use the Vitamin C first.

It can, but more isn't more. The question is what you would consider an effective solution for aging, like what do you want your products to do? And then what are you using already? Peptides are nice, but other things have more evidence behind them.

@@DoctorAnne I have sensitive and fragile skin I guess, I can’t tolerate vitamin c or niacinamide percentage above 2%, and my skin cannot use skincare with slicone(hence I am not able to use any sunscreen because over 98% of them comes with silicone). As such, I don’t even dare to try retinol/retinoid kind of stuffs. This is the main reason I am turning to peptide. I have actually started with cosrx 6 peptides serum(with peptides in low concentration), as a preparation and test before going for high concentration peptides skincare. So far, my skin does not react against the peptides. Fyi, previously I have actually tried the Goodal green tangerine vita c serum and get a shock of my life when my face(near my mouth, about 1cm in diameter) suddenly shrinking and sagging the day after applying the serum. So I am not going to bet it on retinol/retinoid. I am actually worry if the peptide could cause further sagging to be honest. Do you have any option asides from peptide or retinol/retinoid? Sorry for the long description, but I think it is necessary to describe my skin fragility and sensitivity.

@@danieltay1052 Well, if you don't tolerate most things, stick to the ones you do tolerate. What exactly is the problem with silicones? They are usually very inert and don't cause reactions.

@@DoctorAnne it will cause milia like bumps popping up on my face within hours of usage

Yes, they can. But I think there are other stable Vitamin C formulations around that don’t break the bank.

I will do a video series on hyperpigmentation soon, as I get a lot of questions on that topic, but in general I don´t think Rosehip Oil will do a lot. It contains Retinoid precursors, which is why people think it will help, but for results I would pick a "real" retinoid.

Thank you. Have you tried any of them?

Doctor Anne just ordered! waiting for them. The one from the Ordinary and the one from Klairs.

The best things for antiaging are sunscreen and retinoids. Out of the two you mentioned - I don´t think it makes much of a difference.

You are welcome. Have you tried either of them?

Doctor Anne No but yesterday I ordered from the company a couple of things first of all “Buffet” because I am listening good reviews for a long time and I hope it’s good,I am always a little concerned when I am trying something new because I have sensitive skin!

I feel you, sensitive skin can be tricky to navigate. Let me know how you get along with it.

Thank you.

To be honest, I have never seen these adverse reactions and I would happily use them every night. As has my sister, whom I gave them to, for a few months. No reactions. Just don't apply them every two hours and don't pair them with Tretinoin or Benzoylperoxide.

Use one in the mornings and one at night. It is hard to say which one will be better for you as an individual, but in general Vitamin C has better data on it.

I like The Inkey List Retinol Serum.

I can use it without any problems on my skin.

Yes, absolutely.

You use vitamin C at night? Interesting, rarely do I come across someone using at night. I have always used mine in morning. I'd do opposite i'd do copper at night and C in morning.

Yes, it is possible to use only the Buffet without the Copper peptides. And I would recommend using them on alternate nights if possible, but otherwiese they are fine together.

Also, if both have the similar risk, what is its alternative except retinol? I can't use retinol as I have really sensitive skin.

Both could potentially increase hair growth, but I didn't experience it with either.

@@shubhanginisachdeva1076 Retinol is not an alternative to peptides. Peptides are a nice to have maybe helpful thing for those that already do everything else. It also depends on what you want to achieve. What is your skin goal?

I didn't notice any and it isn't a very commonly reported issue, but every skin reacts differently. Usually hair growth is hard to stimulate - if we had a lot of products that cause it, they would probably be marketed with that in mind.

You are welcome.

Ha, I like your profile picture. What do you do for a living?

The Ordinary website recommends not to pair their peptides with Vitamin C. I personally don’t think it is a problem if you leave long enough in between to absorb, but why dont you add Buffet in the mornings? It is very hydrating.

Thank you! I will yeah 👍. I'll skip the Buffet at night so that it wont mix with Vit.c... 🙌

@@stilnocs1114 You are welcome.

I use my Copper Peptides on the nights when I don’t use retinoids, but if that is not an option, you might, but make sure to wait at least 30 minutes in between.

@@DoctorAnne Thank you Dr. Anne.

@@galato4234 You are welcome.

I thought not to use them in the same routine?

In my personal opinion it is okay, but as the brand advises to not pair it with Vitamin C, I suggest using one in the mornings and one at night.

Yes.

Which one are you going for?

@@DoctorAnne I will invest in copper peptides :)

@@dvlajko Let me know how you get along then.

Copper Peptides are said to have a stronger effect than the other peptides, but I did not see a difference.

You can use everything that is not a retinoid or a chemical peel around the eyes.

I can’t answer that for sure. There is more data for copper peptides, but people have reported increase in facial hair from using the original buffet too. The Ordinary has a special Peptide blend for hair though. I haven’t tried that one myself, but it comes in a bigger bottle - I don’t think you would get far with these 30 ml.

@@DoctorAnne thank you! Will try the hair peptides

@@8meemzii You are welcome.

I have just started using the buffet for two weeks now. I use it morning and night and I was looking into the mirror this morning and noticed some fine facial hairs. I didn't link it to the buffet though, but watching this now has got me thinking 🤔

@@oluchiedith2610 Facial hair can be linked to several things, hormonal changes for example, but it might also be down to the product. I have been using the Buffet + Copper for several weeks now without any hair growth, but every skin is different.

There are specific hair growth pigments that I would suggest you use instead of this one, but in general other things have more data behind them than peptides.

​@@DoctorAnne Thank you. I understand there needs to be more data and research. And there are also many types of peptides. Everyone is different, but in general, in your opinion, would using the blue copper 1% peptide serum or any copper peptide on the scalp and hair cause any significant problems?

@@world_100i Problems? Outside of potential allergies, no.

@@DoctorAnne Good to know. Thank you very much for your help!

@@world_100i You are welcome.

I am sorry. Anything I can do to clear up things further?

The only thing that I know for sure that works against hair loss, and that only in around 65% of the people using it, is Minoxidil. Peptides show promising results, but (to my knowledge) don’t have a certain effect.

All in one night?

@@DoctorAnne yeah 😁 (or, is it better not to use the same night?) 😅

@@ateneagoddess83 The brand advises against combining copper peptides with retinol, so I suggest using these on different nights. The rest can be combined to your liking.

@@DoctorAnne aahh, I didn't know that they advised that 😱.. Thank you!!.. (and.. Do you know which helps most for firmness?.. Because.. I asume that the effect is less if I dont use it everyday?.. In that case, would it be better to just use one?.. (And if so.. For firmness, would it be better the retinol or the buffet+copper?.. Sorry for so many questions ☺️😅)

@@ateneagoddess83 Retinoids have much more data to back their claims up, so in doubt I would go for them. I use my Tretinoin every other night and Copper Peptides on the other nights.

They might stimulate hair growth, but the hair loss your husband is experiencing is most likely from the follicles dying off, which I don't think can be stopped or even reversed with peptides.

You are welcome.

Probably by not using them every day - but it is merely anecdotal evidence, there is no proof that it IS going to happen.

I have read on their website and I don’t think I am interested in trying their products. While I subscribe to some of the statements made (you can totally overdo it with skincare) I am not on board with other things, first and foremost the fact that they claim to be the „only age reversing skin care line“. Skin care by definition can not reverse age, and everything that claims to do that is a drug. I am not saying her stuff is bad, I just really get turned off by claims like that. Sorry.

Doctor Anne I understand and I was turned off with their other claims as well such as toners, spot treatments, moisturizers, sheet masks, and peels are unnecessary and damaging. I started seeing dermatologists at a young age (tender age of 11) and been a skin care enthusiast for a long time, and All these were consistent in helping us achieve good and healthy skin. So, I watched her fairly limited videos on KZfaq and I find her kind of sketchy when she speaks. And I also read this website in which chemists talked about her article from her website and they basically did not agree with her 100%.. anyways, here’s the link chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/discussion/5865/a-view-that-chemists-shouldnt-formulate-natural-skincare-only-cellular-biologists. I was just wondering what your point of view is.. someone who is credible and a medical doctor like you. Thanks for your response. You practice what u preach and it clearly shows! Thanks so much for educating us ❤️

@@quickthinkpink You are welcome.

Everything has a risk, the question is how big it is - and in this case it is basically non-existent.

Copper peptides work best in an alkaline environment and Ascorbic Acid best in an acidic one, so while you can, it is usually not recommended. Vitamin C derivatives are different though.

To be honest I wouldn't go for one of these, but look for a gentle cleanser and a soothing moisturizer first to get your skin barrier in order.

They are totally different, you have to see what works better for you. Both are merely supportive there so, if you are serious about preventing more lines, you should look into a retinoid.

@@DoctorAnne OMG thankyou so much for the reply🥰

@@chell3343 Always welcome.

I hope my face doesn’t stay loopsided then!

Nah! The more I think about it I think it’s probably the camera angle which makes it look so extreme! For sure! You’re stunning!💕

@@valerierowell5313 I assure you that in normal life I don’t really see a difference either, the light and the camera does play tricks on our eyes.

Out of the two here or in general?

@@DoctorAnne in general because I'm unsure of what to buy from the ordinary

@@safiasmart8441 I recommend you watch my videos on the different ingredients to get an idea what might work for your concerns and then pick one that has these ingredients. From the few things you have said Niacinamide might be helpful as well as something hydrating.

@@DoctorAnne ok thank you I heard alot about that