Linden Mantle Clock with Hermle 1051 020 Triple Chime Movement 0001

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dperry428

dperry428

5 жыл бұрын

#clockrepair Repair of 1970"s era German Linden triple chime mantle clock with a Hermle 1051-020 movement.

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@BradfordNeedham
@BradfordNeedham 4 жыл бұрын
An index for this video: 0:00 - 1:21 Overview of the movement and its worn pivot holes. 1:21 - 4:44 Removing external parts: wheels and levers. 4:44 - 6:31 Evidence of earlier work on the movement. 6:31 - 9:52 Checking for worn pivot holes in the time train. 9:52 - 10:26 An old bushing that was prick-punched into place. 10:26 - 13:01 Bushing: filing the unworn side of the hole to match the worn side. 13:01 - 15:39 Reaming holes for new bushings. 15:39 - 16:51 Installing the new bushings. 16:51 - 21:00 Broaching (enlarging) the new holes to the correct size. 21:00 - 22:11 Testing the new bushings; chamfering the new holes. 22:11 - 22:27 Reviewing the number of new bushings to do. 22:27 - 22:36 All wheels in position, ready for the top plate. 22:36 - 23:02 Testing the repaired movement, without chimes. 23:02 - 23:16 The completed clock chiming.
@cincy.a.l.w3219
@cincy.a.l.w3219 5 жыл бұрын
Always Sloppy Joes! Love the videos. This is the only reason I love youtube channels. I'd rather watch everyday working people that just do what they love or acquired skills, filmed far away from the model of network television shows.....No drama added, No agendas, no actors and lights... It's almost like a one on one. thanks
@joeliwest
@joeliwest 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I just love this stuff but have no hope of mastering these techniques so I'll just continue on vicariously. Love your concrete faux stuff too. Thanks for all and happy New Year
@sgnt9337
@sgnt9337 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to watch you work on this movement . Thanks for posting. I often wonder how these movements are assembled/mass produced in the "factory".
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
Here is how they do cuckoo movements kzfaq.info/get/bejne/paupiMR_r63TqHk.html
@hlphipps6477
@hlphipps6477 4 жыл бұрын
Hello mr. Don, I guess that clock had hardened arbors. I didn't know ball bearings were used in some clocks, but there's a lot I don't know. Hoping you're not getting tired of my questions. Surely I've seen most all of your videos on clock repair without ever hearing any mention of using ball bearings. Thank you for your videos
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
Butterworth Clocks is where you can get them. Here's a PDF file on them. butterworthclocks.com/BUTTERBEARINGS_PRICE_LIST.pdf
@genepierson1728
@genepierson1728 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, where do you buy your handtools for the clock work, the files, reamer, etc?
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
There are many sources of specialty tools. Here are some: timesavers.com/ ronellclock.com/ milehiclocksupplies.com/ blackforestimports.com/ www.merritts.com/merritts/public/default.aspx perrinwatchparts.com/ frankenmuthclock.com/
@noesalazar4939
@noesalazar4939 3 жыл бұрын
I recently bought a Mauthe triple chime wall clock with a FMS 1051-051 43 Cms movement, it did not have the chime barrel, do you consider that a barrel of a Hermle 1051-020 43 cm movement can replace?
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
If the numbering on the movement is correct, your clock's movement was made by Hermle and was made in the 1970's when Mauthe was using them to try to stay in business. According to the Hermle Service Manual, that movement number uses barrel #55, which is the same as that in the 1051-020 movement.
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. Wondering where I could buy similar reamers, filet set, and smooth broaches? I found a set on timesavers called diamond reamers. I really like the ones you used
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
timesavers.com/search.html?q=bergeon+reamer timesavers.com/search.html?q=cutting+broaches&go=Search timesavers.com/search.html?q=+files www.amazon.com/Grobet-Swiss-Pattern-Needle-Round/dp/B00F3IIM3G/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=grobet+round+pattern+file+cut+2&qid=1599277586&sr=8-2 timesavers.com/search.html?q=smoothing+broach
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 3 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 Thank you very much.
@gregday5169
@gregday5169 5 жыл бұрын
Where have you sourced the round files that you use to even out the wear in the hole before reaming the pivot holes? Ones I've seen available are too big to fit in the holes.
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
Search for Grobet round escapement file.
@gregday5169
@gregday5169 5 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 Thank You. Loving the videos.
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome.
@shaun7057
@shaun7057 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same movement in the clock I got from my dad when he passed away and the gear that the hands goes onto missing some teeth! Do you have any idea what that part would be called? I live not to far from mile high clock and I'm sure they would have it I just need to know what to call it
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
There are three parts that have gears for the hands. There is the hour wheel, which holds the hour hand and also has the snail attached to it, as well as a gear at its base. There is a center shaft, that has a gear at its base and hold the minute hand. There is an intermediate gear that connects the minute and hour. I would suggest taking the part off if it the hour tube or intermediate gear and taking it to the shop. If its the center, that is not easily removed and can only be done by disassembling the movement and having a puller to remove it.
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 3 жыл бұрын
Did you use cutting broaches to even out the worn pivot hole by cutting opposite to the worn side? I thought you used files for that but I want to make sure because having watched the video again, it looks like a very thin cutting broach. Thanks
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F3IIM3G?pf_rd_r=V7F4AE92VE0N91FJQXDY&pf_rd_p=edaba0ee-c2fe-4124-9f5d-b31d6b1bfbee
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nat7i9heqcy7dZc.html
@daviddowney3122
@daviddowney3122 4 жыл бұрын
once again great video, I do have a question a 1051-030 I have it back together and is there a way to set the chime mine works great except the chime is out of sequence. Thanks as always.
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
You have to tell me what you mean by "out of sequence"? Do you mean it is chiming the wrong number of bars of music on the quarter hours or is it playing the wrong bars on each quarter hour? Watch this video segment on setting up the chime mechanism kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7iAZ5SCzZ-vZKs.html Then, set the chimes to Westminster chimes, run the chime mechanism to the end of the first quarter or the end of the third quarter. The chimes should end in four descending notes. If it does not, loosen the set screw on the first gear on the back of the back plate and turn the pin roller until the four descending notes are sounded and retighten the set screw.
@daviddowney3122
@daviddowney3122 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 It chimes the hour perfect the 1/4 hour 1/2 hour 3/4 hour and the top of the hour is off at the 1/4 hour it plays the last 2 notes then plays some of the next set its in the timing I was wondering if there is a way to set it correctly. Is there a way to correctly set it without trial and error?
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
As I said, go to the 1/4 hour and let it chime. Loosen the set screw on the first gear on the back of the movement that controls the roller with the pins on it. Rotate the roller until it plays 4 descending notes. Tighten the set screw.
@daviddowney3122
@daviddowney3122 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 Thanks so much again.
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for the information. I've just finished working on one of those 1050-020 and I am running into a problem. Cleaned, oiled and checked the pivot holes. Changed mainsprings with new ones. Problem is, when it chimes, the hammer ends rub against the chiming pins causing friction. causing the hammers to lift slowly or not move at all. I think the hammers are sitting too low because when I lift the hammers up about 2 mm and clear the ends a bit the clock chimes normally. I am wondering if there is a way to change the angle of the hammers to be sitting higher in order not to rub too much against the chiming pins. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
The ends of the hammers opposite the heads are on the outside of one of the cylindrical shafts that hold the mechanism together. If those ends are bent slightly more toward the shaft, the hammers will rest slightly higher. If this doesn't help, put your email in a comment and I'll contact you and you can send pictures or video so I can see the problem you're having. No one but me will see your email address.
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 Thank you very much for your help. I will try that. Are you talking about the L shaped tails of the hammers that go under the shaft/ post behind the chiming drum? I will try to bend those a bit forward towards the shaft. Thanks.
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the L-shaped tails. If they are bent forward, the other end of the hammers will be higher when they come to rest.
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 Ok, Thank you. I will try and let you know. I really appreciate your help.
@khossossykhossossy7955
@khossossykhossossy7955 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 It seems like it worked. Bending the hammers did reduce the friction. I am test running it and it has been running since yesterday with no problems. I did not fully wound the mainspring in order to see how the clock performed at low speed. Do you think the position of the chiming drum stopper would impact the friction. It is a little triangle shaped brass piece with a screw that is mounted on a steel shaft with a spring at the end of the chiming drum. It helps when you move the lever to change chimes. Do you think moving in or out the shaft would increase or decrease the friction between the chiming drum and the hammers? I really appreciate your help. Thank you very much.
@pointer2null
@pointer2null 5 жыл бұрын
How did you get into clocks? I see your channel has a lot about ponds but no mention of the origin of the clock repairs...
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
I've talked about it in comments before, but I'll reiterate. When I got out of the Air Force in 1966, my wife and I moved back near her parents. Her father was a machinist who had a neighbor that collected clocks for whom he made clock parts. My father-in-law knew I did artwork and asked if I would do some work for the clock collector by re-inking some clock dials and doing some reverse paintings on clock glass panels. I was impressed with the man's collection of hundreds of clocks and the clocks themselves. As a scientist, I was fascinated by the mechanics and physics of them. When he asked what I wanted as payment for my art work, I asked for a junk clock that could be fixed up for my wife and me. My father-in-law got me started by showing how to fix the movement and case and also taught me to use a lathe and milling machine. It wasn't long before I started buying my own clocks at auctions and flea markets to fix for my own collection. By 1968, it had become a hobby that stayed with me all these years. I joined the National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors (NAWCC) in 1972 and continued learning about clocks by reading their materials and journals. I never made a business of clock repair but, it doesn't take long for word to get around that I could repair them and I've fixed a lot of clocks for relatives, friends, neighbors, acquaintances and just about anyone who needs a clock fixed but can't afford to have it done professionally. So, essentially, it was a favor for a friend of my father-in-law that gave me a life-long hobby to enjoy.
@pointer2null
@pointer2null 5 жыл бұрын
Apologies if you had posted this before - watched a lot of your videos but not read all the comments. See I was thinking you were a retired clockmaker. I like your clock videos - they contain a wealth of information. (Not even finished this video yet - got interrupted, cats know nothing about personal space and timeout lol ...). @@dperry428
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
No apology necessary. After military, I was a science teacher and sometimes used clocks in my classroom to illustrate physics principles, such as pendulum and mechanical advantage. I also had an antique oak time clock that the students used to love using to timestamp their hall passes.
@heralddayrit1136
@heralddayrit1136 3 жыл бұрын
We have the same clock and i am looking for someone who can fix it. We live in Bay area. I wonder how much something like this to fix. Thanks
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
Clock repair costs depend on the going rates in your area and how much work needs to be done on the clock. With labor costs being what they are, it might be cheaper to replace the movement. A new one is $350 to $400. You'll find repair costs likely to be about the same or more. Check out you local repair shops. www.yelp.com/search?cflt=clockrepair&find_loc=San%20Francisco%20Bay%20Area%2C%20CA&sortby=rating
@heralddayrit1136
@heralddayrit1136 3 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 i found one. Thank you so much 😃
@rehorneman
@rehorneman 4 жыл бұрын
Are going to have hip surgery? If so hope all goes well. Can't wait to see your newest videos.
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know, yet, if it's truly the hip joint that's a problem or the condition I have (polymyalgia rheumatica). I couldn't get an appointment for initial orthopedic consultation until December 23. I'll be doing another cuckoo clock video soon.
@rehorneman
@rehorneman 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 Good luck with the hip.Hope you don't have to have surgery. i will watch for the cuckoo video. Merry Christmas to you and family. Have a great time with the little one from Santa.
@rehorneman
@rehorneman 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 What is the latest about your hip? Have a great new year. Can't wait to watch your next video.
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
@@rehorneman X-ray showed bone-on-bone. Doctor wants to do cortisone injection to relieve pain long enough for me to do physical therapy to strengthen muscles before replacing the hip. Couldn't get an appointment for the injection until February 3. Meantime, weekend before Christmas, I was in hospital for testing for what turned out to be "transient amnesia" caused by a small stroke. It was a momentary thing that affected my ability to remember what I read. Lasted about an hour. Good part was I had a brain and carotid artery CT scan, MRI, EEG and echo-cardiogram and have no brain tumors, no epilepsy tendency, clear carotid arteries and a healthy heart. They found a small "lacunar infarct" in the basal ganglia of the brain. So, now I have a appointment with a neurologist next week. Hell to get old, but it beats the alternative. Meanwhile, I'm working on a New Haven tambour mantel clock and another cuckoo clock.
@rehorneman
@rehorneman 4 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 OH MY!!! You have been through a lot.Good luck with the cortisone injection and the neurologist next week. For sure I will watch your upcoming videos.
@glennbillet3069
@glennbillet3069 Жыл бұрын
Is there any books on the order the hammers fall on five and eight movements
@dperry428
@dperry428 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "five and eight movements". If you're referring to the tunes other than Westminster, I don't even try to set the hammers based on those. I simply set the pin roll to the Westminster and go to either the quarter hour or the three quarter hour and turn the cylinder until I see four hammers falling in sequence since that is how both the quarter hour and three-quarter hour chime ends.
@glennbillet3069
@glennbillet3069 Жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 it has eight hammers but I don’t know what time it plays
@dperry428
@dperry428 Жыл бұрын
Are you asking what tune it plays? If it's a triple chime movement with 8 hammers, it will play one of 3 tunes, depending on the position of the pin cylinder; Westminster, Whittington, or St Michael. Read this: www.clockguy.com/SiteRelated/SiteReferencePages/ClockChimeTunes.html
@glennbillet3069
@glennbillet3069 Жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 thank you so much I watch your videos and I knew you could set me straight
@pjl6006
@pjl6006 2 жыл бұрын
I have this same clock movement It's in a Linden clock. Found it at Goodwill for $9.99. It is complete and looks very nice. The escapement is broken however. Any idea where I can source one?
@dperry428
@dperry428 2 жыл бұрын
timesavers.com/search.html?q=hermle+balance
@pjl6006
@pjl6006 2 жыл бұрын
That link shows 4 items. None look like mine.
@dperry428
@dperry428 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I didn't look to see which movement this was. I assumed it was one with a balance wheel. There are several options for you, some cheap, some expensive. I don't know what you mean by "escapement is broken". That could mean any number of things. I'll assume the escape wheel is damaged. You can have a replacement made (very expensive), you can buy another movement on ebay for parts and use the part needed from that (usually not too expensive). You can look to see if what you need is found here: www.merritts.com/merritts/public/productlist.aspx?CategoryID=1142 You can call them and ask for diameters of specific tooth numbered wheels to see if there is a match and also to ask if they carry Hermle parts.
@dperry428
@dperry428 2 жыл бұрын
You can also do a search for "escape wheel" at timesavers.com/ You'll need to know the diameter of your escape wheel and the number of teeth on the wheel to find one that might be compatible.
@pjl6006
@pjl6006 2 жыл бұрын
@@dperry428 I used the wrong term. its not the wheel itself, its the piece above it that rocks back and forth that moves the pendulum. The "anchor"?
@mikeroe7942
@mikeroe7942 4 жыл бұрын
can we hear other chimes
@dperry428
@dperry428 4 жыл бұрын
Not from this clock; it's back with its owner. If you want to hear other chime sequences, do a search for Whittington, St Michael's, and Canterbury chimes. I only do the Westminster because it's easy to set the proper sequence on the quarter hour since Westminster has a simple sequence then of four descending notes.
@gregbouchard1563
@gregbouchard1563 3 жыл бұрын
See a really good there mate keep up there good work on KZfaq form greg Bouchard hove a good day mate form greg Bouchard u do a relly good job on KZfaq form greg
@dperry428
@dperry428 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@kowgiirlup
@kowgiirlup 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Marcia :-) I will have Sloppy Joe's please.
@dperry428
@dperry428 5 жыл бұрын
That's what she made.
@user-rq9po2zv4k
@user-rq9po2zv4k Жыл бұрын
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