Line 6 Helix: Relevant or Relic in 2024?

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In this video, I take a look at Line 6 Helix Guitar Amp Modeler and see if it's still relevant in 2024. New modelers sport more DSP and advanced modeling. Can the Helix still compete? Will there be a new Helix in 2024? Join our chit chat as we gather around the Line 6 Helix Floor.
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As a guitar player, one of the big questions you might have is whether or not the Line 6 Helix is still relevant in 2024. In this video, I have a special guest and we take a look at the product and discuss if it still has the features and functionality that guitar players need. We'll also discuss whether or not it's still a good buy. The Helix first came out in 2015 but has seen many firmware updates including the recent 3.70. Its features have surprisingly kept pace over the years with many new amp models and effects, dynamic cab IRs and routing options that inspired a whole generation of amp modelers. Also, with its extensive IO and USB connectivity it is an excellent Recording HUB for your home studio serving your audio interface needs. And it is also a great re-amp[ing device. But, its hardware has not been updated since 2015. Is it time for Line 6 to launch a new flagship modeler or can the Helix still compete in 2024?
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Index
00:00 - Start
00:29 - Intro To The Helix Discussion
02:05 - Little Helix Jammy Jam
02:27 - Why I Hesitated To Get a Helix
08:49 - I/O Features and DSP
15:30 - Product Support
20:16 - Does The Helix Still Have Value in 2024?
21:37 - A New Line 6 Flagship Modeler in 2024?
24:09 - What New Features Should Line 6 Add?
30:24 - Another Helix Jammy Jam
30:46 - Thank you and Please Sub!
31:35 - Bloopers!
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@RahulBasu6886 6 ай бұрын

Got a Helix a couple of weeks back - it’s the first true pro Modeler I’ve owned and frankly I’m loving it

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Glad you're enjoying it!!

@stephenhepburn2220 5 ай бұрын

This is a great modeler , owned it for 6 years now and it is not only a great piece of gear ,your learning something new about modeling every single time you plug in. 5 Stars !! Thank you line 6. Love mine. I am a Helix floor owner, and again, LOTS OF LOVE !!

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

I'm quickly learning why you love it so!

@KeithGigliotti 6 ай бұрын

Love my Helix today just as much as the day I got it. Their updates are great.

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

It sure is standing the test of time! I’m really enjoying it.

@paulunderwood1911 7 ай бұрын

Had some good quick chats over purchases with Marco at Long and McQuade before! Great to see him on the channel👍🏼

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

He’s a good dude! We’ve done a few videos together on this channel. Guitars, amps, modelers. Lots of cool videos!

@guitarist100 Ай бұрын

I have the LT version of Helix absolutely loving it through my powercabs 112plus 💚🤘

@LonelyRocker Ай бұрын

Awesome!

@SonicDriveStudio 7 ай бұрын

Very cool video! I'm glad I pushed you 😅. But yeah, you touched on many good points here! Well done

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

I totally blame you!!! :))))))))

@crsantin 6 ай бұрын

I love my Helix rack. Works great and it should for quite some time. I’m not replacing mine any time soon.

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie...I appreciate the Helix the more and more I use it. Great studio device....

@SonicDriveStudio 7 ай бұрын

Why do people comment before watching? Just watch the video before you say anything, this video is actually pretty in depth and features valuable information

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the assist!! Some people react to a title...we're in the age where some can't pay attention for more than 30 seconds ;)

@mikecurry2903 6 ай бұрын

Great video! One thing about re-amping.... I record a dry signal, as well, but instead of re-amping back out via a loop through the Helix device, I simply use the Helix Native Plugin. Very convenient and easy to quickly compare sounds in multiple instances of the plugin. Helix is amazing.

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes, Helix Native is a great option! I don't have it yet but will get ti soon. There are reasons why physical reamping has its advantages but I will dive into that in a video :)

@monahantp3767 7 ай бұрын

Excellent video! I also just became a Helix user, having bought one just a few weeks ago. Loving it so far... haven't yet gotten into the HX Edit however; would enjoy seeing videos on that in relation to learning the Helix ;)

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it. Definitely more content coming on the Helix. Stay tuned!

@audiobunny1767 5 ай бұрын

Just picked up a Helix LT for my Bass rig all I can say it is awesome for bass. 2 hours just flew by, seemed like 5 mins. So many cool ideas were coming to me just with a few blocks in the signal chain. I think this is a great unit for bassists let alone guitarists. Can't really see how much better it can get, seems like we've reached a plateau with modelling even though the Helix line is almost a decade old.

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

Bass players are unrepresented on the Helix. I also play bass and have been using it through the Helix a bit. I should make a video about it....

@JacobPetrossian 4 ай бұрын

The Helix can still sound great in 2024, especially with the right IR's loaded. Unfortunately, no matter how many updates it does there will never be a touch screen without Line 6 actually making a new modeler. Great video!

@LonelyRocker 4 ай бұрын

Thanks!! I actually don't miss a touchscreen...I'm cool with the dials...but I'm also only in a studio so I can use HX Edit....but still, I use it directly and whip around easily...

@78tag 4 ай бұрын

For me, a touch screen wouldn't be that helpful.

@swardmusic Ай бұрын

Touch screen wpuld suck live lol. Its a turn off

@bhosterman Ай бұрын

I just added a Helix rack to my rig. Ive been using the even older TC Electronics G System and what ever amp I’m into for about 15 years using the 4 cable method. The G system is rock solid but hasn’t been updated in who knows how long. The helix does all that it did with the added benefit of way more FX and routing options. Now my amp of choice is the Synergy Syn 2 (rack) with a Friedman and a bogner. I still think amp or pre amps are better than any modeler/ profiler. Plus having my core tone as outboard gear I don’t have to adjust every preset when I decide it’s too bright or not enough mids ect. But over all the helix has been a huge improvement to my setup.

@LonelyRocker Ай бұрын

Sounds like an awesome setup. I love going hybrid. Definitely the way to go. Need to keep some real amps in the mix 😎🤘🏽🎸

@sjsphotog 6 ай бұрын

Nice Rush sweater!!!

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Important tool of my trade! 😂

@e51v50h 3 ай бұрын

Being primarily an acoustic singer songwriter utilizing the ability to use the Helix as my go to for live performance, I'd love to see them in a new firmware update possibly, add an acoustic based amplifier. The Helix is the only multi effects pedal all in one unit that you can run a vocal mic with its own set of effects and a guitar with its own set of effects, an expression pedal, and a looper with such ease. Having an acoustic amp model instead of having to use just a pre amp block and eq to make it somewhat an acoustic amp would be amazing. I also would love to see an always on tuner option for the screen as well like you both noted. Those of you that do acoustic solo gigs, you really need to look into the Helix. It was a game changer for me.

@LonelyRocker 3 ай бұрын

You never know what they’ll add as the goodness just keeps coming. Thanks for your insight.

@richardschmitt5650 3 ай бұрын

I think it has an acoustic amp now, but I'm not sure. I'd have to look at mine again.

@MrIzzy123 5 ай бұрын

I just bought the rack and pedal board and it’s amazing

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

Sweet! Enjoy!!!

@christianboddum8783 7 ай бұрын

I hope the next Helix will work with all the presets you've already created, just having more CPU. I could rock the first version a long time because of all the time I've invested in programming it. Next version needs Phantom blockers on the XLRs (transformer balanced?) and fix the mic input (mine went pretty fast).

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

That's a great point and punctuates why Line 6 hasn't rushed out new hardware. There are a ton of considerations and their user base is key. Considering the compatibility between existing device I don't think it would be a completely new system...but they will need to update hardware eventually...

@fivefingerfullprice3403 4 ай бұрын

I love my Helix, it's amazing I play it everyday.

@LonelyRocker 4 ай бұрын

I’m enjoying mine very much too. More Helix content coming. Stay tuned!

@MrAdelinoneto Ай бұрын

I think that with the 3.5 update, that allowed to adjust the mic positioning and angle, Line 6 gave us the tool that was missing to get the tone we want. Since then I don't feel the urge of looking for another device like FM9, or QC.

@LonelyRocker Ай бұрын

That was definitely a significant update.

@dirthawk 5 ай бұрын

just ordered a LT, builds seems robust but saw a comment on the Kurt Ballou Rig rundown vid where the commenter have had two switches replaced. how common are faulty switches on the helix?

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

So far mine has been solid and I know other guys who have one. But I can’t give you scientific answer on that.

@shakarocks 5 ай бұрын

It's a great unit and still holds its own.

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@stephenhepburn2220 5 ай бұрын

Forgot to mention I shop at Long & Mcquade in Kingston Ontario , and wanted to say a big thank you to Paul , the manager at this location for his great advice on these products.

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

Sweet!! Hope he sees this! :)

@hartlee1160 7 ай бұрын

I absolutely love component modeling. Helix is obviously 2nd place in amp modeling. I only say that because, I have to add a lot of low gain to sound like the axe fx or the real amp. Once you do that the only thing axe fx has over the helix is just sheer amount of amps and component tweaking.

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

Interesting...I recently got an FM9 too so I will definitely do some comparisons....

@hartlee1160 7 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker the pod go sounds as good as the axe8 floor modeler I had. I'm sure the axe fx 3 tech in the fm9 has the edge. When you make the comparison,and your helix has some missing low-mid that the axe has....add the low gain... Then tell us if there's any better sound from either unit Thanks, love your channel

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much. So glad you've taken time to check out my videos...and thanks for the tips!!

@FastRedPonyCar 6 ай бұрын

My copy/paste reply to Sonic Drive's video The helix is still a great unit and at around a grand, the LT is a killer deal and really has everything most players need and just about all the I/O options to be super flexible on stage. I have my singer's LT on long term loan as my all in one acoustic gig device where I have one row of blocks and in/out's setup for my vocal mic to do some compression, eq and a little reverb and then the main input/out has my acoustic guitar going in with some eq, verb/delay/chorus/etc added to that. It really is a great unit and takes no time at all to setup. I think the new amps they added recently are ok but IMO, the new cab/speaker/mic stuff they added not too long ago was the big game changer for me. It used to be a unit you HAD to use your own IR's to get a decent high gain sound and now, I'm able to get some perfectly acceptable sounds with the built in speaker/cab block stuff. I still think the speaker/cab/mic tech is nowhere near as good as the new Dyna-Cab stuff in my Fractal FM3 (or my singer's QuadCortex that I spent about a month with) but it's good enough that I wouldn't hesitate to pull out my little stomp HX during a show as a backup rig. Worth mentioning is that despite IR's being as cool and flexible as they are, my HX stomp sounds freaking AWESOME running no cab block into my UA OX stomp for cab sim, reverb and delay. It also frees up a lot of CPU due to how hungry those 2048 resolution IR blocks are.

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Jon is a good friend of mine so thanks for sharing your thoughts here too! I have an FM9 too so it's interesting read your perspective on the two platforms. I will be diving deeper into both so hopefully will hear from you again on those videos.

@FastRedPonyCar 6 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Yep, left a reply over on that video as well.

@AchillesWrath1 3 ай бұрын

Don't they have different names for all the amps and stuff. I get that they can't use Marshall's name etc. But how do you find out which simulator is supposed to be what? Is there a list somewhere?

@LonelyRocker 3 ай бұрын

There are tons of forums, wikis etc there. Just Google it and you’ll find a resource.

@roofkorean6948 5 ай бұрын

I wish there was an updated version with a fairly decent size screen with an interface designed around touchscreen, including the option for mouse and keyboard for ease of use, but also has simple hardware controls as a backup. Like more reminiscent of the PC plugin I suppose, but with multiple ways to control. Like if you need to change a something before a gig and you forgot your mouse and keyboard, you could just use the touchscreen controls instead, or if the touchscreen stops working you can use the physical controls as a last resort. That's all I'd want from an updated version, not even different sounds, just updated controls & interface with plenty of flexibility options for control for ease of use. I know that a new product line is more likely, but I'm perfectly happy with a Helix Floor V2.

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

We all have different views about touchscreens. I actually feel the Helix's controls are still very intuitive as they are. I just say that to demonstrate it's hard to know which way Line 6 will go as feedback on current features is very different from different players.

@roofkorean6948 5 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Good point. I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining or that I thought the current version is bad by any means, I agree with you that it's probably intuitive enough for most people as it is now. I just meant if I had my way that's what I would change. Everyone's different, heck, there's probably some trekie out there that would add voice control given the chance. "Computer, add EQ at the start of the signal chain and load custom EQ 1."

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

I totally got it was your personal desire to have that...just shows how much research companies have to do...Voice control...maybe great in a studio but not so good on a noisy stage ;-))))))))

@luckyno888 6 ай бұрын

Helix is the Voyager / Pioneer space probe of muli-effects.

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Interesting way to put it!

@martinignaciodefeo9235 6 ай бұрын

Gimme a responsive touch-screen, detailed front and rear amp controls and stompbox with fancy graphics (knobs or sliders as needed)... bluetooth, usb and wi-fi connection. Amp matching like Axe Fx, more amps, studio preamps, more stompboxes and studio quality fx... and I'm sold. Say 250 amps total and 70 more stompboxes and 25 studio fx (Yamaha SP90x, Ada Mp-1, Yamaha Rv-500, Lexicon PCM 70, Digitech GSP 2101 and Eventide, Dynacord, Rocktron Intellifex, a 1176 studio compressor,etc). A DOD Envelope Filter, a Boss Ph1r, a Boss Bf-2, a Future Impact Bass Synth and a DOD Death Metal. That's it. I won't bitch anymore updates.

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Ha!! That's some wishlist!!! :)

@martinignaciodefeo9235 6 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker I know I'm a pretentious bastard... but I'm pretty sure they can pull it.

@swardmusic Ай бұрын

Anything else?

@martinignaciodefeo9235 Ай бұрын

@@swardmusic I honestly believe that the next gen of digital modeling is digital digital modeñing. I mean modeling existing algorithms in order to faithfully reproduce their sound. Fender did that with the TMP, specifically with the Boss Ph-3, the Boss BF-3 and the Boss CE-5. If they did it... why not Line 6? Juan repacking Helix in a new case would be a pretty dumb idea, considering they are not alone in that market share anymore.

@sickmessiah 7 ай бұрын

More dsp for oversampling would be ideal. Lots of oversampling and better anti aliasing filters.

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

You must have great ears :)

@sickmessiah 7 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker every guitar sim set to high gain without over sampling starts to get weird honk tones between 1 k and 3k that become apparent. Low passing the di helps but sims that oversample help a lot more. That’s why neural dsp can sound so good with over sampling engaged. It’s night and day on high gain tones. .

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

@sickmessiah yes I know…just so few talk about that….

@austinlindsay 7 ай бұрын

@@sickmessiahcould you explain over sampling a bit more? Is that something that can be done by adding certain blocks? I’m pretty new to the Helix.

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

@@austinlindsayOversampling is when audio is processed at a higher sample rate than the signal. Distortions, for example, have a lot of information and can benefit from oversampling to reduce artifacts and help them sound better. Oversampling requires more DSP. This all done under the hood and not something you apply in a signal chain. Hope that helps.

@MeTuLHeD 7 ай бұрын

A great sounding guitar track is a great sounding guitar track, regardless of what it was recorded through.

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

Well as someone who records guitar I can tell you a well intended guitar track doesn’t always sound the way you wanted it too. The process is critical and gear does factor heavily. Quality of gear and the know how to use that gear. Very important.

@MeTuLHeD 7 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker Did I say otherwise?

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

No you didn't...you were pretty general. I was just punctuating that getting a great tone is a process and the gear is critical to that process...so a great tone is never guaranteed :)

@MeTuLHeD 7 ай бұрын

Let me expound on this. Jimmy Hendrix had a pretty crappy rig by today's standards. At Woodstock he played through an out-of-spec Marshall which sounded like it was on the verge of self destructing. I used an original Rockman box to make some great sounding recordings back in the day. Any of today's modelers are capable of sounds equally as good if not better. It's all about using the tools you have available to make great sounds.

@emelle1283 4 ай бұрын

Mine wasnt robust. Bought a Rack (2nd hand but still expensive) 2 years ago and its nearly dead (wont power on sometimes). Very disappointed.

@LonelyRocker 4 ай бұрын

Did you just post about this on FB?

@emelle1283 4 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker i dont think so - maybe its starting to occur more now after 8 years?

@LonelyRocker 4 ай бұрын

Oh. Because I just saw a post on FB today with someone who experienced the same thing as you.

@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender 7 ай бұрын

Its too big and heavy, shrink it down 20% but keep same amount of footswitches and i prefer to keep expression pedal

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

Updated hardware would certainly shrink it down...modern requests..MORE POWER...But MAKE IT SMALLER and DON'T LOSE ANYTHING! I LOVE guitar players :)

@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender 7 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker i don't really need more power unless its gonna be used to get latency down to boss gt1000 levels, or if it could get higher fidelity. The ad and da converters could definitely be upgraded

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender there’s no doubt they need to modernize the hardware but it’s amazing what they can still do with it.

@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender 7 ай бұрын

@@LonelyRocker yep

@swardmusic Ай бұрын

U mean an LT?

@666darth 5 ай бұрын

Versus Axe FX III is way more cheaper and that is the point.

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

It's definitely a point....

@jst601 5 ай бұрын

At some point the processing power of the current HX line will be obsolete, yes? No? Same for all computer-based rigs; only so much it can currently do because of that limitation. I don't view that as negative, personally. However, the name of the game is making $$ & satisfying users. Most users want as much as they can get in their floorboard systems (not me). Therefore, companies are driven to "improve". Since current amp modelers are glorified computers, I wish companies would issue EOL specs on their gear at some point. Perhaps some already do. EOL = End Of Life, meaning it's no longer supported. Based on the processor in the unit the companies should have an estimate of an EOL for everything they make & inform the users of the scheduled/anticipated EOL when it's within no less than a year of EOL. What's left for the HX/XL stomp & Floorboard/LT? More ambient reverbs, more amp models, more pedal models. Sure, but there will always be users wanting MORE. And more stuff eventually means a need for more processing power. So they make a new unit w/a MEGA GIGA UBER processor & more *stuff*! Not 80 stomp boxes bout 800!! And in a year or 2 or 3, that, too, will not be enough as demands for more grow. Personally, I wish there could be a system designed that... (1) had the ability to increase memory &/or swap CPUs/motherboards. That's not such a tall order (is it) but perhaps a truly *flagship* unit could do that. It's the same idea as building your own computer or being able to modify your existing computer w/more RAM or a hotter CPU. Honestly, if I'm dropping $1500+ on a laptop or desktop PC it will have the most RAM & processing power I can afford & always with the ability to upgrade RAM. ((And for me, it *will* be used for 5 years min)) (2) let the user decide what FX & amp/pedal/IRs models they load into their systems. For example, let's say I purchase a HELIX floorboard...all of the fx are in a system library/vault that the user loads up as needed. By default, whatever is in the "vault" is in the floorboard. They don't ALL reside on your board all of the time. Why stoke it w/80 stomps when you only actually use/need 4-10 total FX at one time. If you need more, load them. It seems every ounce of RAM & processing power would then go to what is actually used. Random thoughts when considering getting another multi effects unit...

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

This is the unfortunate reality of digital gear. Amp manufactures used to build their amps for longevity. It’s actually not the best business model. Companies that make digital gear developed recurring revenue streams. That’s great for business and new product development. As much as it is possible to build upgradeable boxes there is little business incentive to do so. Thank Apple for the versioned proprietary model. But you could build your own PC and run amp sim software. That’s very possible. The fun thing about today is we have choice. By a good amp. That’s for life. Buy a modeler. That’s for convenience today. Choice is a good thing.

@thereflectioncollector9138 5 ай бұрын

I don't think the Helix will ever really be obsolete in my lifetime.

@LonelyRocker 5 ай бұрын

That’s quite a bold prediction!

@MotoRiff77 7 ай бұрын

Every update is better then the last with L6, I don't think anyone wants to buy new hardware every 2-3 years

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

I agree...I love how the hardware has been so dependable but computers do age quickly. Concerns about the hardware getting dated are reasonable. But they really have done an amazing job keeping it current...I'm really enjoying using it...

@MotoRiff77 7 ай бұрын

yeah, building a new computer every 3-5 years is a pain in the butt. If you have DSP problems run Native on the computer it can handle anything and as many amps as you like@@LonelyRocker

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

I think we'll see that soon...great platform!

@sjsphotog 6 ай бұрын

Did anyone ever tell you your voice sounds ALOT like Neil Peart (RIP)?

@LonelyRocker 6 ай бұрын

Never until today when you said I sound like him and someone else said I look like him! 😂😂😂

@BurningWheelz78 7 ай бұрын

My 40 year old 300 euro Marshall tube amp is still relevant. It does what I need, sounds great and can be fixed (never broke 🤞) by any electrician no matter if the company still supports it. Yeah it's heavy and does only one thing. 😉 If i get too old and can't carry it anymore or if you need more versatility (who needs +100 presets?) maybe a modeler is the way to go. (Sorry I didn't watch the full video yet). I am probably getting too old.

@LonelyRocker 7 ай бұрын

I agree with you...I said so in the video. I love my amps and no modeler will ever replace them. But for a studio setting I'm finding these modelers very useful and compliment my amps. But given a choice, I'm with you...real amps all day!!! An no you're not too old ;)

@godu1111 4 ай бұрын

1. Line 6 is the most amazing music products company I know. I have the HX stomp and it's unbelievable. 2. I will not buy hardware that came out in 2015. Line 6 needs a Helix 2

@LonelyRocker 4 ай бұрын

I think it's time...I agree....