Ken, I was a big supporter of the X-33 Single Stage To Orbit, SSTO vehicle that was based on the Aerospike engine. The video covers historical technical background information that is useful. It supplies an overview of this NASA development work. The Aerospike engine design has the potential to reduce the vehicle mass ratio. Now, as SpaceX moves toward reusable boosters, any cost improvements in the entire Falcon system are welcomed. The big issue that nixed the X-33 wasn't the engine or the SSTO idea. It was the composite material & irregular shape used for the liquid oxygen(LOX) & liquid hydrogen(LH2) tanks. There was a failure on filling them on a test stand. No additional money was available at that time to develop a sound design. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article on the X-33.
@johnswolter8 жыл бұрын
+John S Wolter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospike_engine
@strato17210 жыл бұрын
I recently discovered this engine after doing some research on the X-33. I further researched and read some of the papers related to this engine and I must say, I can hardly believe this technology is 40 years old! I think it's an engine that was ahead of its time. I think in 10 years' time, this has to be revisited.
@johnswolter8 жыл бұрын
+strato172 , Please share the links to the papers you have found.
@strato1728 жыл бұрын
+John S Wolter I just did a google scholar search and just read a few papers. Looking for some now, I'm finding many dead links. Try your luck.
@juhovalio59062 жыл бұрын
7 years later. Still no aerospike rockets....
@junuhunuproductions5 жыл бұрын
Freakishly fascinating Rocket Engine.
@ingusmant9 жыл бұрын
Its been 43 years since this and we still using bell rocket engines.....
@retovath7 жыл бұрын
If only the X33 wasn't cancled and instead put on hold till a material for the H2 storage could be found.
@RWBHere4 жыл бұрын
With very good reason. Nobody has figured out how to circumvent the laws of physics yet, in order to make a big aerospike work reliably.
@rcexpfpv4812 жыл бұрын
Yeah, unless you're launching an SSTO you can have every engine optimized for the pressure range in which it is going to operate and you can avoid the aerospike's heat management issues
@1944GPW7 жыл бұрын
Here's hoping the ARCA Demonstrator 3 linear aerospike rocket test in August this year goes well. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'll be fascinated to see the LA concept finally being flown!
@Klegratteur3 жыл бұрын
Aerospike engines are used on Naboo starfighters.
@Iwished45 жыл бұрын
I wonder if ARCA aerospace saw this video
@tamburlaineman10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. A little bit of engineering history... or the future.
@Sedokun10 жыл бұрын
Accidentally read as "oF the future"...
@majikkskates90843 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the info and footage I need I’m building the linier Aerospike in LEGO and this will be a big help
@GandalfDDI_3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Glad to hear it is useful
@buraqaerospace99453 жыл бұрын
So did you complete
@majikkskates90843 жыл бұрын
@@buraqaerospace9945 actually yes I did. Only thing that was missing was some ductwork around the top
@buraqaerospace99453 жыл бұрын
@@majikkskates9084 are there any documentation of it ?
@majikkskates90843 жыл бұрын
@@buraqaerospace9945 I posted a few photos on my Instagram, instagram.com/p/CHhv-xqJFJa/?igshid=1icfw0z6zblo2 I was going to make a video about it but no one seems to show any interest at the time
@wraith01mg9 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you.
@soal1595 жыл бұрын
ARCA aerospace might just launch one to space this year.
@IDK_Mr.M5 жыл бұрын
I talked to him he seems to be walking away from the tech right now. But he did say the US team is still working with it but didn't say when or if they will have any public test information.
@putteslaintxtbks51666 жыл бұрын
Why this wasn't used for the space shuttle by NASA is a huge question. A replacement was designed with the aerospike engine, but...? I'm amazed that SpaceX isn't using it. Maybe in the future?
@patb93755 жыл бұрын
once the moon race was done they did not see a need to keep testing it. Nasa did some testing about 16-18 years ago but Obama then cut all spending on space type things. Space-x has to use proven tech they can improve it but a new tech would need years of testing for approval.
@StonefieldMusic5 жыл бұрын
See ARCA here on KZfaq.
@jw86874 жыл бұрын
It's never been flown. Nobody was willing to test it till now
@paulround85013 жыл бұрын
There are still problems in realising an actual engine, SpaceX considered it at one point but quickly dropped the idea because the complexity does not bring any real benefits unless you really want to go single stage to orbit which is not very efficient.
@edwardlecore1413 жыл бұрын
A reminder we are decades behind where we should be, even more if you've seen the station and earth orbit rendezvous ideas from von Braun.
@paulmichaelfreedman83343 жыл бұрын
The aerospikes were abandoned for a reason. Huge problems with cooling a large aerospike.
@CurCam713 Жыл бұрын
There was a model of this outside a propulsion research center at Redstone Arsenal along with some other rocket engines. I saw this a few years ago while on a bicycle ride. I can't find the center now with Google Maps so maybe the place has been replaced.
@GandalfDDI_ Жыл бұрын
Maybe at the U.S. Space and Rocket Center - Huntsville AL?: www.travelblog.org/Photos/8879536 web.northeastern.edu/aiaa/nasa-sl/competition-week/wednesday-8-april/
@williammook804110 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Thank you!
@householdemail1305 Жыл бұрын
Luv it
@miles23789 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Col Potter (MASH)!!!!
@joshuamiller47937 жыл бұрын
Christopher Bloom Lol. Horse hockey! Beaver biscuits! :)
@wallypequeno52176 жыл бұрын
This sweet baby is coming back!
@peachtrees278 жыл бұрын
Either this tech was mothballed or it went black. I'm not sure which...
@sopherion9628 жыл бұрын
+Pete Kuhns First one. Then the other.
@rocketsocks6 жыл бұрын
Didn't live up to expectations.
@youtubeisapublisher64076 жыл бұрын
Mothballed unfortunately, of all reasons because the government didn't want to spend money building new propellant tanks.
@Ni9995 жыл бұрын
Annalee H Yep, you got it. "Aerospike Engines - Why Aren't We Using them Now?" by Curious Droid kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZqqeciXzZu4XWw.html
@RWBHere4 жыл бұрын
@@youtubeisapublisher6407 There's more to it than that. The basic idea is flawed. It works as a small scale rocket, but cannot be scaled up safely.
@slevinshafel9395 Жыл бұрын
2:33 Can sameone explain how this recirculated air inisde of flow can give thrust? I think There is lost of efficincy. No wall to recolect the lift and not having power right in the 180º of desire lift is waste energy. What if put and engine instead of truncated?
@obsoletesuperman6 жыл бұрын
They should show this at the Infinity Center by the Stennis Space Center since that is where one of the two linear aerospike engines are on display. Or at least offer more info on it... how many seconds of operating life it has accrued, or some of the other great information in this video.
@RyanSaysOye10 жыл бұрын
The word "nozzle" is used a full 20 times in this film.
@roywhiteo58 жыл бұрын
wow i actually understand the techno-babble
@williammook804110 жыл бұрын
A 5730 nautical mile ballistic hop requires 95% orbital velocity and a 20 degree burnout angle. This takes you from New York City to Tokyo in 20 minutes. A hydrogen oxygen single stage rocket requires an 81.7% propellant fraction. With an 8% structure fraction this leaves 10.3% payload fraction. So, a 129 passenger ship, capable of carrying 29 tonnes of payload in two class arrangement, 48 passengers in superior class arrangement, would have the following description; 29.0 tonne - payload (51.0 m3) 281.6 tonne - Take off weight 22.5 tonne - inert structure 35.4 tonnes - LH2 (505.7 m3) 194.7 tonnes - LOX (170.8 m3) And if we go for a Horizontal Take off and Horizontal Landing, we have something like this; www.warbirdforum.com/paxwing.htm Filled with hydrogen and oxygen propellant in the wing, a linear aerospike engine on either side of the observation platform in the tail with four J2 turbo pump systems.
@johnswolter8 жыл бұрын
+William Mook, Keep working that spreadsheet. You may discover a design that solves all the issues.
@wafi012310 жыл бұрын
Yes
@cowboybob7093 Жыл бұрын
Once again the Earth makes SSTO tantalizing close but unreachable. Hydrogen is not a good booster fuel, needs too much volume flow for the weight throw (so to speak.) Aerospike cooling increases by square, the need increases by cube, doesn't scale up.
@playstationnetwork68479 жыл бұрын
Very difficult construction and maintenance. Now i understand why SpaceX choose the "bell" design instead.
@ingusmant9 жыл бұрын
david weyland they chose it because as a private startup company spaceX can't throw money at a problem until its solved so they went for true and tested tech rather than go bankrupt trying to build their own aerospike. Plus a lot of bell engine patents have expired which makes it even cheaper
@ThunderAppeal8 жыл бұрын
Give it to the Russians, they'll get it figured out.
@jebise11266 жыл бұрын
no... they run out of money too even if they did some testing...
@mojojomo67505 жыл бұрын
You'd never think that judging be the number of wannabe experts commenting here - the "looks neat, so why hasn't it been used already" comments. Yeah, it's way more involved.
@diioriog7 жыл бұрын
0:38 is the bell actually oscillating or it's just an optical effect?
@Themayseffect5 жыл бұрын
Its the gases surrounding the chamber that's gyrating. But the Bell is moving as well sense its mounted in a Gimbal fixture.
@enlightenedtrucker7394 жыл бұрын
10 People, and ARCA space disliked this video.
@npsit18 жыл бұрын
I guess I don't know enough about these to understand why they aren't being used.. I remember that NASA did some tests in the last 5 or 10 years with a new version of this though.
@retovath7 жыл бұрын
They were meant to be used for a SSTO RLV. The X33 was going to be their tech demo.
@paulround85013 жыл бұрын
There are serious problems to overcome as you scale this up to a full size engine such as cooling weight and none uniform combustion. In the end a traditional engine is much better unless you really need single stage to orbit which is actually really inefficient.
@SudeshKatugampola10 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept. Film looks old. Why the linear engine wasn't widely used?
@SargeRho9 жыл бұрын
Aerospikes only make sense on SSTO/Stage-and-a-half to Orbit spacecraft, since they are heavier than conventional engines. None of those are currently flying.
@johnswolter8 жыл бұрын
+Sarge Rho, They were too heavy in 2001. Today would be very different.
@SargeRho8 жыл бұрын
John S Wolter A linear aerospike is always going to be heavier than a regular bell engine. Plug nozzle Aerospikes, and expansion-deflection nozzles, are a different story.
@johnswolter8 жыл бұрын
+Sarge Rho Keep working the ratios, there are always alternatives.
@justsaiyansteve3 жыл бұрын
Go SpaceX!
@aliengoth177610 жыл бұрын
You related to Heidi Hollis?
@Administrator_O-53 жыл бұрын
That plan worked out well 🙄...
@crazyoldhippieguy5 жыл бұрын
17-07-2019.My teacher at School freaked out when he fould out l hold the patents to this type of Rocket engine, latter he confened it when he talked to his Boss Dr Von Brown who our Family know.
@everydayamerican65205 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha!!!! You mean von Braun?
@crazyoldhippieguy5 жыл бұрын
Correct ,l have dyslexa, and bad spelling.
@buraqaerospace99453 жыл бұрын
Dude tell us more about you
@crazyoldhippieguy3 жыл бұрын
@@buraqaerospace9945 l have dyslexa, back in 1965-66, under hypoeses l told my patagene l wan,ted to patened some stuff just like my father who patended the winglets on the ends of the wings,l have over 125 origale patents to my name including the airospike rocket moter, the A10 wart hog the H-K G11 and many other patents, and l have no proof.
@buraqaerospace99453 жыл бұрын
@@crazyoldhippieguy damn dude that's so awesome 🤩
@surfertube447 жыл бұрын
I knew somebody that's uses that cooladex in his truck! don't ask me why!
@RWBHere4 жыл бұрын
Arguably the biggest dead-end in rocket technology. The commentator is really talking it up, whilst glossing over the serious disadvantages of the design. These include serious overheating issues with the spike as the engine is scaled up (a conventional engine throat is a small surface area to cool, but an aerospike is a large area to cool), more mass than a conventional engine with the same thrust (higher temperature tolerant materials tend to be much heavier), and greater complexity than a conventional engine as size is scaled up (how do you ensure an even combustion across the whole spike? Multiple feed points, and many more pieces of plumbing.). If the design was as good as the commentary says, why has nobody managed to fit one to a space-going rocket? Go figure. It was shelved because it was found to be unreliable, and conventional rockets are also lighter, cheaper and 'easier' to build.
@silvrcolctr59543 жыл бұрын
yes , but can they make an omelette
@jackg607810 жыл бұрын
so we are left here to dry and die! if anyone is paying attention.
@GandalfDDI_10 жыл бұрын
Yup. That is all I have for the Linear Aerospike.
@Plevell8 жыл бұрын
+Jack G rly? they made it work properly today..
@GandalfDDI_7 жыл бұрын
I do now have a document about rocket engines in general in my folder on Space Shuttle and misc: 1drv.ms/f/s!AsoLDJx_szsuc_zSFFU0B1gKkFc Specifically: Folder SSME_MPS_Info/Rocket Based Combined Cycle (RBCC) Proceedings - 19920012274.pdf
@BoxxerCore3 жыл бұрын
If this little doc was made today it would have an extremely patronizing narration repeating the same basic information every few minutes, irritating techno soundtrack, and about 50 different camera angles and effects.
@NeonsStyleHD3 жыл бұрын
If this was done today, you would've got an extremely dumbed down version. Back then, these sorts of films were made for Engineers and aimed recording the discoveries. Today, you'd just get sound bytes lol
@donovanrodd2294 Жыл бұрын
They didn't do their best in that era.
@aliengoth177610 жыл бұрын
Roswell engine. Or should I say primative attempt at Roswell engine.
@Tsumami__9 жыл бұрын
Damn you're not the brightest crayon in the box, are ya?