This is the WORST Monitor Ever...ON PURPOSE! - Dasung PaperlikeU E-Ink Monitor

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While we love looking at cool gaming monitors with features like MiniLED and QD-OLEDs, Dasung is coming to us today with something out of left field, an E-INK display. That’s right the same tech that graces the Amazon Kindle is in a monitor now. But is that as bad of an idea as it sounds?
Citations:
1) www.aoa.org/healthy-eyes/eye-...
2) www.webmd.com/eye-health/dry-...
3) link.springer.com/article/10....
4) sid.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/d...
5) www.cell.com/heliyon/pdf/S240...
6) www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/...
7) www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topi...
8) www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/c...
9) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_...
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:32 How E-Ink works
2:48 Features
3:45 Using it...
4:50 Browsing the Web
7:15 the "modes"
8:34 Watching Videos
9:30 How would you use this?
10:35 Trying word processing
11:32 Compare it to a Kindle Scribe
12:09 GAMING
13:09 The COLOR version is coming!
13:32 Contesting their claims
14:30 The Cost
15:47 Outro

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@LinusTechTips 9 ай бұрын

13:42 We worded our first claim poorly, and the two citations we provided aren't strong enough to prove the definitive statement we made. We stand by our skepticism of the health benefits of e-ink vs LCD, but moving forward we'll be more careful with how we approach citations. You can learn more about our changes here: linustechtips.com/topic/1528891-this-is-the-worst-monitor-ever-and-that%E2%80%99s-the-point-dasung-paperlikeu-e-ink-display/?do=findComment&comment=16129832

@ArabianStasi 9 ай бұрын

First video back and you guys still took 9 days to issue a comment (That now 1 million people wont see) about you citing things incorrectly. Nice one guys, keep up the shoddy work!

@haxie4516 9 ай бұрын

@@ArabianStasi They didn't cite things incorrectly lmao. Keep up the poor reading comprehension!

@superheroverse3941 9 ай бұрын

They will never change

@cheesium8052 9 ай бұрын

@@ArabianStasiThey didn’t make an incorrect statement. All that was said was that the evidence used to prove their claims weren’t strong enough and they should’ve had more. Their view on it’s effect on eye strain and things alike are the same, the only problem is that they said they haven’t provided enough proof of that statement using two citations.

@myyoutubecommentschannel8784 9 ай бұрын

JFC guys come on

@TheJosh1337 10 ай бұрын

I'd guess that the power consumption is minimal. Could be usable for in commercial settings like shopfront displays, menus, kiosks, etc.

@alexdavis9324 10 ай бұрын

@@GH0STST4RSCR34Mahhh that's already a thing mate. These would replace existing monitors in this scenario

@alpham777 10 ай бұрын

Stores already use them for that, ALDI and many others use them for shelf tags and Kohl's uses them to show you how much you are "saving". Also updatable over wifi.

@bagelgeuse5736 10 ай бұрын

There is zero power consumption unless you have a backlight or are changing the image.

@hattonaxeman 10 ай бұрын

In London they use use e-ink displays for some bus timetables, it's a great scenario as they don't refresh often, don't need colour, and it has low power consumption.

@daggern15 10 ай бұрын

@@alpham777 Came here specifically to mention shop price tags. Kudos for beating me to it.

@gwenc1371 8 ай бұрын

E-Ink is one of those technologies that reminds you not every device has to be a swiss-army knife that can do literally anything. It's genuinely the coolest fusion of new and old technology I've ever seen because of how it fuses the benefits of paper and traditional displays so seamlessly, and it does some thing better than traditional display technologies ever could. But it is simply NOT suited towards general purpose monitor use.

@KP-rm6dn 7 ай бұрын

These guys are obviously clueless, and expect it replace a normal monitor.

@RickertBrandsen 7 ай бұрын

@@KP-rm6dnsaying that these guys are clueless is like saying that Einstein was clueless.

@KP-rm6dn 7 ай бұрын

now thats truly a funny statment, and a real insult to Einstein. @@RickertBrandsen

@y0h0p38 7 ай бұрын

@@KP-rm6dnTheres a niche market for it. Theres people out there that think that screens will hurt your eyes and gaming will make you blind or whatever. Trust me, theres pleanty of them out there

@ducpham1920 7 ай бұрын

Pricing is a big barrier

@flyingmongoose0 9 ай бұрын

I actually saw a display like this being used in real world application It was rotated 90 (so a vertical display) and it was a shuttle bus schedule display, it would refresh every once in a while saying when the next one would stop. It was powered via a battery that was charged via a solar panel. This was at Vintgar Gorge in Slovenia at its parking lot. It created a very crisp and clear display and information for anyone who wished to view it. It had reasonable lighting, and it was useful. It was really cool.

@taiwanjon2583 2 ай бұрын

Some bus stops have them in Taipei as well. They work very well especially when it's sunny outside

@sirati9770 2 ай бұрын

@@taiwanjon2583 yup i was reading this and was like i remember that from back in taiwan

@randomfootballfan2952 2 ай бұрын

in the UAE too

@fraizie6815 8 ай бұрын

This would be absolutely great for writers. You have to look for a long time at a mostly static screen. This would really be great on the eyes

@lorenzocrescentini7476 5 ай бұрын

It is. I have a 13" Boox Max Lumi (it's a e-ink tablet which can ALSO be used as a second monitor, though it's not the type use it was meant for) and I can already tell you it's definitely better than a regular - even bigger - monitor. I would love to switch to an actual e-ink monitor like the 25" Dasung PaperlikeU (or the 25" Boox Mira Pro) ma they're both honestly too expensive (like 2500 usd + taxes and shipping...)

@thegame2079 4 ай бұрын

@lorenzocrescentini7476 Yeah i love my boox, and would unironically want one of these monitors for spreadsheets and documents

@webluke 10 ай бұрын

Noticed more stores using e-ink price tags on shelves. I think that’s a better use of the tech than an active display. It also works for books where the content only refreshes every few minutes and with proper fonts allows us to have libraries on a small portable device that has a long battery life.

@toby1248 10 ай бұрын

I work in the e-ink tag industry. The big innovation sweeping the market with these lately is being able to refresh them solely with energy scavenged from NFC. They literally don't even need a battery in them anymore. Another big customer for them is convention centers that use them as name tags for visitors

@lego_minifig 10 ай бұрын

@@toby1248 That is awesome! The tech has always fascinated me. It's been cool to see how much it has evolved in the past few years

@ALPHABYTE64 10 ай бұрын

but only CRT hurt eyes, now monitors hurt your eye because you look a lot of time in 1 point

@batt3ryac1d 10 ай бұрын

@@toby1248that is pretty cool. Won't be long before they're networked and you get live pricing on stuff like they do for petrol at petrol stations though 😮

@polaris911 10 ай бұрын

it also has much better viewing angles compared to traditional B&W LCD

@UnvoicingStew10 10 ай бұрын

Linus with anime eyes is now my desktop wallpaper

@107bande 10 ай бұрын

Hopefully your Desktop doesnt drop your games

@livegolfismygt 10 ай бұрын

new deskpad, or dbrand skin for sure 😂😂

@WarriorRev6300 10 ай бұрын

Lol😂

@MASTERCRAFT938 10 ай бұрын

lol xD

@AresTheDragon 10 ай бұрын

Frozen pointing Linus is mine

@jonashageboke8993 10 ай бұрын

Having something like this as a secondary display for PDFs or similar could be pretty neat. But color support would still be really nice, and the cost has to come way down. At $500 or below, it could be an interesting option tho, esp if it's designed to be used primarily in portrait mode

@DrunkenSwimmer 9 ай бұрын

As someone who consistently has ~10k pages worth of technical reference PDFs open all the time and >$100k of equipment for testing, an extra $2k to make it easier to read refs ain't bad.

@heroedeleyenda05 5 ай бұрын

I could see this being used for grandpa and grandma to comunicate trough email. like having a setup where the pc is always on, the screen is always on and signed in, and they just use it to email the family. maybe have a separate tab open where its always signed in to their newspaper website.

@tiredtait9660 5 ай бұрын

I have an e-ink tablet with a color display, it's much, much darker than my kindle screen, even the older models, it also tends to make real pictures look very red. Drawings and comics without too much shading works well enough.

@ibendover4817 10 ай бұрын

This is something you can probably use as a dashboard of sorts without worrying about screen burn-in or having a bright-ass display at hight that you have to keep turning off. Repurposed kindles and smaller enink displays are already popular for this. EDIT: Just saw the cost, FTS, lol.

@jalcome4201 5 ай бұрын

u dont look at dashboards for long

@ibendover4817 5 ай бұрын

@@jalcome4201 And? That's an even bigger reason to use e-ink(if costs go down). You can leave it on 24x7 and forget about it without worrying about power consumption or burn in.

@RyanMercer 10 ай бұрын

Welcome back! It's horrible, I want one.

@smmmokin 10 ай бұрын

Why? 🫠

@RyanMercer 10 ай бұрын

@@smmmokin just to see how bad it is in person 😂

@mrkitty777 10 ай бұрын

You will see a cat video within 2 weeks 😮

@___Vortex___ 10 ай бұрын

I don't know about this monitor, but I have an e-ink android tablet that I absolutely love. I only need to charge it once a month or so and use it for note taking, e-books, articles, basically anything that requires lengthy reading

@R6ex 10 ай бұрын

Great for dark room usage!

@tylerprice5132 10 ай бұрын

The best use I could think of for e ink monitors are for class rooms for giving notes so you can still have something projected but with the lights still on.

@ulrichf2530 10 ай бұрын

I am thinking about banking or administration. Having this for 8 hours in front of u will certainly be less straining on ur eyes than a normal desktop

@billyhatcher643 10 ай бұрын

this reminds me of the original kindle where it had the best brightness and white color for reading digital books

@pingandpong674 10 ай бұрын

Honestly, I freelance program, would love to have an e-ink on one side and a normal display on the other. Eye strain is a right pain when you're staring at words on a screen throughout the day! Something I haven't been able to fully solve for myself with different themes etc... Not to mention, 15 hz is probably enough for just coding etc. Unfortunately at >£1000 it is WAY too much, but would love to see this technology more! Edit: just got to the bit in the video where they talk about E-Ink having no evidence of helping eye strain. While that may be true, I do find reading and stuff significantly less straining overall on my kindle compared to the likes of my phone. E-Ink would absolutely help in my case, just from my experience. Also because I'll be programming at 2am just before bed haha

@SMCwasTaken 10 ай бұрын

Don't give teachers ideas

@SMCwasTaken 10 ай бұрын

Great that will make school even more depressing 🙄

@alexbv1177 9 ай бұрын

A really common use case for old e-ink tablets I've found was for displaying static/rarely changing Web pages (or information pages). Where the cheep/old hardware was the main issue with repurposing the device. Having a dedicated large e-ink display that you can just plug into the nearest device and act as an interactive information portal is amazing

@PrivateAccount80527 8 ай бұрын

Imagine watching adult content when your mum comes in and you pull the power cable with a monitor like this....

@lukemckenna2479 8 ай бұрын

Imagine watching adult content on this in the first place lmao

@tahahaider5836 7 ай бұрын

Just tell her it's a screen saver

@PrivateAccount80527 7 ай бұрын

@@tahahaider5836 😂

@tahahaider5836 7 ай бұрын

@@PrivateAccount80527 😉

@Lemoncit0 10 ай бұрын

I can definitely see someone who does a lot of research in their job use this as a secondary monitor. If it wasn't for the cost I would love to have it for studying.

@billyhatcher643 10 ай бұрын

yep mostly schools could use this monitor for sure but for gamers its a stay away from monitor i dont do school work anymore so i dont need a monitor like this

@TheDemocrab 10 ай бұрын

Heck, even as a gamer I could use one. I've already got the three gaming screens anyway so mounting this in portrait mode on the side could make for a nifty way to browse web pages or if I'm gaming have a walkthrough or the like open on the side.

@Sigurther 10 ай бұрын

First thing I thought.

@GodBlessCanada 10 ай бұрын

sooo many terrible academic websites with bright white backgrounds. Can't tell you how often i've seared my eyes staring at that stuff.

@damnson666 10 ай бұрын

True! I'd love this at my work, which mostly involves research aka lots of reading, combining info and answering emails.

@lukasmeier 10 ай бұрын

I would love to see it being used with a Windows contrast theme, so that the handling of color is dealt with on OS side and not the display.

@kornkernel2232 10 ай бұрын

Would be better as well for Windows to have E-Ink mode which makes the UI theme optimized for black and white E Ink display and no animations.

@emma70707 10 ай бұрын

The issue is then I agree with Linus this is best used as a second monitor. I have one and tried to use it as a primary monitor when I was having migraines that were triggered by looking at a LCD screen. Once I got those under control with medication, I tried using this as a secondary screen but the issue is that operating systems don't have a way to set one monitor to be high contrast while keeping the other one standard. It makes for a really jarring experience because you need dark mode on one side and light mode on the other practically (otherwise going back and forth is awful between a super bright LCD to no light and obviously dark mode doesn't work on these) and OSes don't currently have a way to do that as far as I could figure out. I never bothered with Linux so maybe that is really the option I would need to do. Anyway, because of that, despite liking the screen, mine is currently sitting unused (with plans to eventually hook up a raspberry pi and make it a calendar/weather display in my entry).

@ionstorm66 10 ай бұрын

Also did they did not disable clear type subpixel rendering, you can clearly see that on the word processing.

@rgreerjr 10 ай бұрын

come on dude this is LTT you know you shouldn't expect a lot of thought or anything put into their videos

@mistermudpie 10 ай бұрын

I am using a previous-gen Dasung like that and it is better. Just be aware there is a weird bug in Windows high-contrast mode where certain things on the screen are not shown. For example, the archive/delete etc buttons and corresponding text in Gmail. And not just on e-ink, on any display.

@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli 8 ай бұрын

A teacher could turn one of these sideways and post schedule, events, or homework assignments for the week, and then set it against one of the classroom windows facing the hallway. A small business owner could set a few of these side by side and post a menu or prices. A library could use one of these to scan books to check out, or see what's on your library card, or browse the catalog to get the dewey decimal location of a book. And for personal use, I could write a high contrast application to display my Outlook calendar and run it on an Intel ComputeStick or something and mount it on my wall.

@viks2ndaccount478 8 ай бұрын

Actually over where i live bus station booths have started putting these monitors in for showing the schedule and active notices like ongoing sales and delays. Whole thing is driven off a small solar panel placed at the roof and it's really neat.

@GugsGunny 10 ай бұрын

For e-ink displays, pages shouldn't be scrolled with the mouse wheel, it should be displayed a screen portion at a time. Like pressing page up/page down keys but without the scrolling animation. And if there's a way to script the display to refresh after doing page up/down.

@NdxtremePro 10 ай бұрын

I mean, I guess you could write a program that covered the screen in white every second or so. They said it has one built in for every 30 seconds.

@emma70707 10 ай бұрын

Yes, this is what I did with my eInk screen. I didn't buy a Dasung, but their competitor so I don't know exactly how they have their drivers programmed but I do believe these are refreshed by "changes" rather than actual Hertz (every second regardless if anything changes on screen). It's been awhile since I used mine, though, due to annoyances with OSes not thinking about wanting to have one monitor set to light mode and the other to dark mode.

@Weeblon 10 ай бұрын

It is possible to write a script like that, just push a white borderless window in foreground and hide it again after you detected the input. The animation that might play while doint it can be easily disabled. Regardless of a script, there are a lot of windows settings that you would want to change and I am a bit dissapointed that LTT didn't look at them. Like I already said most of the animations and fancy stuff can be deactivated (which wouldnt have changed the video), however the high contrast accesiblity settings might have been worth looking at. In there you can for example change the colour of links and stuff (something they have pointed out that might be a problem in practice).

@ZipplyZane 10 ай бұрын

I'd consider mapping that to a few clicks of the scroll wheel (how many would be customizable). Though, yes, the idea of just having it refresh the screen when you scroll might work similarly. If it can start the refresh before the animation starts, it could work.

@dhkatz_ 10 ай бұрын

That completely defeats the purpose of this as a desktop monitor. They shouldn't advertise it as such if they don't expect it to be tested as one.

@Luxim1 10 ай бұрын

Kind of unfortunate that they didn't do a demo for command-line usage (since you can view data a page at a time with PageUp/Down instead of scrolling). Would be very nice for sysadmin type work, especially with a black on white shell theme.

@Zondac 10 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly, seems like an excellent arch linux monitor

@ALPHABYTE64 10 ай бұрын

but only CRT hurt eyes, now monitors hurt your eye because you look a lot of time in 1 point

@l-space1368 9 ай бұрын

when was the last time you even saw a CRT display in use? @@ALPHABYTE64

@Zondac 9 ай бұрын

@@tripplefives1402 VIM users would totally be all over this

@haxie4516 9 ай бұрын

@@l-space1368 Yesterday. But to be fair, I was at an arcade that had some old machines

@Shushpo 9 ай бұрын

A few years back I had some nasty eye issues and I could look only at e-ink screens for a long time. So I actually hope this tech will develop over time into a more usable version. I'm unsure about using it for gaming, but it could eventually become usable for work. Fingers crossed!

@orange11squares 7 ай бұрын

they already have color e-ink monitor, it's here on youtube.

@abrahama.6356 6 ай бұрын

Did the issues go away?

@goosewoman 6 ай бұрын

Look into a reflective LCD display if the issue returns. Because it's not backlit it doesn't hurt the eyes. I have a similar issue only being able to look at e-ink screens and a reflective LCD display is basically the better version of color e-ink displays. It has the high refresh rate advantages of LCD, with the reflective display advantages from e-ink. That said they're really fucking expensive and I wasn't willing to invest the money to actually buy one. The one I tried was a sunvisiondisplay RLCD monitor. But it was like $2k back then. Looks like it's about $1.5k rn

@Shushpo 6 ай бұрын

@@goosewoman thanks for the info, never heard about those kind of displays before. I can't afford to spend that much money on it right now, but I'll definitely keep it in mind.

@theanhpham5036 4 ай бұрын

How are your eyes now? I have the same eye problem as you. How can you treat your eyes?

@captainmystery4123 10 ай бұрын

I remember when I was studying for a technical certification they talked about e-ink readers. I got curious and googled if there was such a thing as a e-ink computer monitor and found the monitor you found. I'm glad you made a video on it. I'm sure there's some use for it somewhere I'm just not sure where.

@HeyItsLollie 10 ай бұрын

Secondary monitor is definitely the way to go. Having this on the side in vertical mode would make this perfect for like, documents, documentation, anything dealing with a lot of text. I was genuinely thinking about it before hearing that $2k price tag, big woof.

@venturoes1912 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think for $2k, you might as well get a 4k OLED screen, it'd give a good experience.

@antoniousai1989 10 ай бұрын

It's curved. I don't think you wanna used a curved monitor in portrait mode

@pupip55 10 ай бұрын

You can buy the screen standalone much cheaper, but you would have to diy it, years ago i was looking at them for a raspberry pi

@ezail9159 10 ай бұрын

I don't think they could have done much about the price e-ink screens price is controlled by one company

@ErrorTH 10 ай бұрын

Maybe, maybe not. It may turn out to be very annoying to skim through a 100page documentation pdf with low refresh rate.

@mcwolfbeast 10 ай бұрын

15 FPS for eInk is amazingly good! I've been waiting a long time for this to improve. There are also color paper displays out there these days - not fantastic but definitely great for 0-power signage etc. Excited to see how this progresses :)

@Elios0000 10 ай бұрын

yeah i could see these things replacing normal displays that have taken over for store signage

@shanez1215 10 ай бұрын

Yeah my kindle back in the day was like 4fps.

@chrisjohannes179 10 ай бұрын

what application?

@nickwallette6201 10 ай бұрын

This would be an ideal retro laptop LCD simulator. Set the resolution to 640x480, load up Windows 3.0... party like it's 1991!

@Gunny-rt3lb 10 ай бұрын

@@shanez1215 Damn you a fast reader (Pretty sure a kindle only refreshes when you click the button)

@anon_y_mousse 10 ай бұрын

I'm hoping that they improve the tech and we see more displays like this. It could be especially helpful for programmers and anyone who has to read a lot at their desk. I can see using one as a second screen, especially if they added at least one or two more colors, and they have been working on developing such screens.

@Zelijahrs 10 ай бұрын

This would be a super useful second or better yet third monitor. As someone who reads a ton of multi hundred page PDF for work, this would be very useful. The documents are usually already in black-and-white, the pages are large and full of text, and I could honestly get away with one hertz refresh, and I wouldn’t have to be converting it to KindlePDF and sending it via the cloud to read it on my Kindle, which is what I’m currently trying to do and is not always secure enough for internal documents.

@harambeexpress 10 ай бұрын

This monitor would be useful for those with a very specific use-case... like someone who has to read a lot of text-heavy documents.

@alexdavis9324 10 ай бұрын

Even then eye strain would still be a problem. Also seems like scrolling through text could be very annoying

@HydratedBeans 10 ай бұрын

Would honestly be pretty great for programming

@einstijn138 10 ай бұрын

Yeah it would probably be amazing for proofreaders or legal professionals having to double, triple, quadruple check contracts and stuff

@harambeexpress 10 ай бұрын

@@HydratedBeans no not good for programming because it can't handle syntax highlighting. A colour version would be.

@rayhan4502 10 ай бұрын

stil better than reegular monitor, no?@@alexdavis9324

@Big-Chungus21 10 ай бұрын

When a colour display comes out, this sounds fairly useful when programming for long hours. You would just need a second monitor depending on the program youd be testing.

@darmou 10 ай бұрын

Yeah without colour it really does have limited uses.

@OmniDuck 10 ай бұрын

I could use light mode! Dude, I wish Linus tested it with JetBrains or VScode. Both of those handle sub pixels. The color one could be amazing.

@stephencoakley 10 ай бұрын

Yeah I was thinking about how awesome a color version would be for programming. But for a more wallet friendly price though...

@Trainguyrom 10 ай бұрын

Also seems brilliant for SAAS product admins, such as Salesforce Admins who stare at a fairly static web browser most of the time

@jensenraylight8011 10 ай бұрын

it's good for displaying picture that was changing every hours, therefore you can set your mood easily

@itsbazyli 9 ай бұрын

The color version would be great as a dashboard monitor. Dashboards only need to refresh every few seconds, or so, so it's the perfect use case. But the price is insane. It would make sense once it goes down to $200.

@Reverend_Salem 9 ай бұрын

the only possible issue is speedometers

@itsbazyli 9 ай бұрын

@@Reverend_Salemah sorry, I didn't mean car dashboards, although that's a pretty cool idea. I was more thinking about monitoring stations, which display lots of charts / graphs, financial data, user usage data, traffic data, etc.

@Reverend_Salem 9 ай бұрын

@@itsbazyli im a bit of a car guy, so i immediately think cars when i hear dashboard lol

@canadiannomad2330 6 ай бұрын

I got a color eink tablet because I wanted syntax highlighting for code. B&W sucked for that reason. Text doesn't need to refresh that quickly as long as letters show up quickly.

@gemininimeg 5 ай бұрын

@Reverend_Salem Have you not seen the CES 2022 BMW iX Flow reviel or the reviel of CES 2023 from BMW i Vision Dee?

@vjollila96 8 ай бұрын

this might be cool if reading manga on pc or books because reading them on regular screen is tiring

@Saturn2888 10 ай бұрын

Holy crap. Now you gotta tonemap SDR, so it looks good on this display! Crazy. Windows used to have a 256 gray. I wonder if you used this monitor on an older Windows setup how that'd look.

@kr19569 10 ай бұрын

@LTT - seems like a plan for another video.

@cda32 10 ай бұрын

Just run Windows 3.11

@nietmijnechtenaam2477 10 ай бұрын

3.11 lacks hdmi support ;)

@DrWakey 10 ай бұрын

@@nietmijnechtenaam2477 No prob, use a VGA -> HDMI Adapter :D

@TalesOfWar 10 ай бұрын

Knowing Microsoft, it's still there in the depths of Windows, just no longer used by most applications. I imagine pretty much everything these days calls DirectX for its display based rendering shenanigans. Weather that's one of the features still within DX is something I'd be intrigued to know though! I guess few things will flag with this colour mode these days even if it is there.

@tthor9268 10 ай бұрын

The second monitor usecase kinda sounds amazing; I typically have a second monitor dedicated to just displaying reference documents,having something like this for text could be amazing, especially with the bonus that it is one less glowing screen in my face.

@Bass2style 10 ай бұрын

not sure it's worth the cost. any LCD display at low backlight should be enough, and you can find cheap 60hz (that's more than enough if you don't play games TBO.) monitors nowadays in many sizes and resolutions.

@AdamMi1 10 ай бұрын

@@Bass2styleright now it obviously is not worth the cost

@lyfiatea 10 ай бұрын

I hoped they would test the scenario of using it side by side with an LCD monitor because when one monitor is conspicuously brighter it's distractive and probably makes it more straining and frustrating to focus on the reflective monitor instead, and I don't know how much the front light will help in this case.

@i_am_macgyver84 10 ай бұрын

exactly, while the cost is ridiculously high right now. If it were to ever become reasonable, that's how I pictured it's use case. Instead they just spent 15 minutes trying to use it for everything it's obviously not meant for.@@lyfiatea

@XXLcze 10 ай бұрын

Yes, as a kid i would've use it for list of GTA cheat codes :D

@playstation8779 10 ай бұрын

If you ran a custom OS with this monitor it could work well. Like a high contrast mode. Now if you go into windows and setup a high contrast mode you can make it work. Also if they had it setup so there was an LED matrix behind the screen as a backup for color with a wash plate designed to blend in the pixils for hyperlinks or for color as a way to distinguish contrast in video or game mode. That should help a lot. It may cost more but i think it would yeild better results.

@scbastve69 9 ай бұрын

I have wondered for years why there weren't e-ink monitors for coders and programmers as a side monitor. I always figured it would be way easier to code and program using one. I do a ton of MSSQL work and would love an e-ink monitor for looking at the tables and dbs and query editors.

@johaquila 7 ай бұрын

I also think they could be ideal for programming. If IntelliJ specifically supported them, for example, so that the text looks as crisp as on an e-book reader, then I would see a lot of potential for companies buying them and consequently the price becoming more reasonable.

@prairiepanda 10 ай бұрын

That refresh rate is actually super impressive for an E-ink display! But...I think this tech is still best used exclusively for reading, specifically without scrolling. It has a long way to go before it can be suitable for use as a computer monitor, even if it's only for word processors.

@moafwaz5563 10 ай бұрын

I thought the same, it's impressive!

@doc8125 10 ай бұрын

It's actually great for handwritten notes too! Due to how the technology works you can have genuinely intent response times with the right type of pen (if it's optimised for it). You see this tech in the remarkable line of products and some android e ink like boox devices.... However it really only good for doodles ans writing, if you're writing a journal or math notes perfect, if you're trying to draw detailed work you'll quickly go into limitations

@Zondac 10 ай бұрын

I would not mind putting this on my server PC, or an Arch Linux machine!

@kontanaizumi 10 ай бұрын

I'm actually incredibly interested in this monitor because, as an accountant, staring at Excel sheets and Word docs is a lot of my job

@cameramaker 10 ай бұрын

But without anti-aliasing, the B/W and no shades is really useless. The resolution would need to be much much higher than 3K on the 23"

@theolaa 10 ай бұрын

Love to see the citations, really shows that you're taking accuracy and transparency even more seriously. A strong return as I'd hoped. Welcome back!

@ray-sattler 9 ай бұрын

I think when you work in an office and write texts all day, it's awesome.

@lego_minifig 10 ай бұрын

The differences in the details in the new content is clear as day. Great work! Excited to see more videos with this level of thoroughness and attention to detail

@haxie4516 10 ай бұрын

Fwiw, they filmed this over a month ago

@danielforeman8934 10 ай бұрын

Hi there, I've been in accessibility for more than 6 years now. The bit you missed in this video, was the desktop accessibility modes that Windows has. You have high contrast, you have grayscale, and various other modes that when paired with this monitor might actually improve the experience for someone with vision problems. I worked with a guy in the office who is extremely photosensitive, light literally hurts his eyes. It would be nice to see LTT gain some experience in this space, and maybe produce reviews aimed at the people this technology would benefit, rather than assuming a default "everyone is a full vision gamer" type. It would dramatically improve the quality of the content being delivered. Reach out to me if you need advice on this!

@bangerxshane 10 ай бұрын

Cool.

@arcaelum2022 8 ай бұрын

Yes

@kunjyiu1671 8 ай бұрын

8:39 they did say that for some type of users it can work.

@gaarakabuto1 8 ай бұрын

I do have friends that have similar issues to the situation you described (maybe not as extreme) and I genuinely think that there are better options for people with vision issues and products that are aiming at the specific needs, either through filters, specific modes, or even manufacturing products with older technology that benefits those individuals. Here we are talking for a 2k monitor that utilizes a very gimmicky technology that even in the case of being there for people with various sight issues and eyesight conditions it feels like a niche.

@ThumbDr 8 ай бұрын

Lol

@shanemurphy9923 10 ай бұрын

It would be cool if they were able to use eye tracking to sync up the screen refreshes with your blinks (once the refresh speed is improved of course)

@MrDacedric 10 ай бұрын

love this idea

@sethhubbard698 10 ай бұрын

That’s actually a really good idea

@t0biascze644 10 ай бұрын

and refresh the parts of the screen fast and the rest slower since on einks, the more pixels you refresh the slower it is. so refresh your peripheral vision slower

@SwirlingDragonMist 10 ай бұрын

Brilliant! Especially because you could refresh on demand with your blink as an input. Might as well sense squinting too.

@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 10 ай бұрын

Eink will be usable for desktop once 4 things happen: 1. 30 Hz refresh rate (double this display's max) 2. Windows itself would have to support the technology, with things like the restoration of alternate text rendering modes and a 1bpp monochrome color depth mode, and the ability to tell the display which rectangle regions of the display buffer have been updated, so only those get erased/refreshed. 3. Smarter, and lower latency eink display controllers that can respond quickly to things like an eye tracker sensor. 4. Likely the panels used on these displays are driven at a fairly low voltage to keep energy usage as efficient as possible. The likely sacrifice here is picture clarity. A desktop display needs no such sacrifice. So the panel itself should likely be driven with a stronger current to increase the forces that move the eink particles around, within reason. This is likely to also make higher refresh rates possible, while avoiding an unacceptable amount of ghosting. There have to be eink displays rated for it, that won't break under that extra pressure. Doing this to an ordinary eink will significantly reduce the lifespan of the panel, since it's effectively a massive overclock + overvolt. It'd take significantly tighter manufacturing constraints to cancel out that drawback. Honestly, it's tough to imagine Microsoft supporting such a thing. A lot of Windows software has stopped respecting ClearType settings since it was introduced in XP, among them various of Microsoft's own frameworks and libraries, and monochrome mode was already on the way out by Windows 3.1, which dooms desktop einks to obscurity.

@JordanLeGrand 8 ай бұрын

A benefit of a reflective display could be to use it outside without having to fight against the sun on luminosity.

@calebjonathan7044 5 ай бұрын

Great point. Why fight the light when you can use it to your advantage!

@batt3ryac1d 10 ай бұрын

I could see the colour version being useful for displays that arent playing a video either in stores or museum's and event spaces things like food menus and stuff where theres a need to update it but you wanna save power instead of having loads of tvs going.

@somethingelsedoesmatter 10 ай бұрын

I hope this becomes a thing. As a programmer, I'd welcome a monitor based on eink. But there needs to be a bit more work on this first. I like reading on my old Kobo, but it seems to render fonts better than this monitor, somehow.

@RevaeRavus 10 ай бұрын

Programming is what I was thinking about. I'm not one, so it's not for me, but I can see it's application.

@meneldal 10 ай бұрын

For programming I feel that color is required

@kikihun9726 10 ай бұрын

Actually.. no If you want to run your code and oops change one thing in code, you have to push the clear button near every 4 sec. It would be frustrating because the project window will be beurned in ince your run your app

@rzyr 10 ай бұрын

@@kikihun9726you run your app on the other monitor. This one would be just for the code. I bet it would work great with vim.

@Programmdude 10 ай бұрын

@@kikihun9726 It would be fine if it could detect when it needed a refresh, like how kobo will do it every X pages or every chapter. It's certainly got a long way to go before I'd even look at it for anything other than reading currently.

@Kafaldsbylur 10 ай бұрын

Before the pandemic hit, my D&D game experimented with using a regular monitor for maps, instead of printing them, or drawing them on a wet-erase mat. The biggest problem was viewing angle and my thought since then was that some sort of large panel e-ink display would be perfect for that usecase

@EmergencyChannel 10 ай бұрын

$2000 though.

@Kafaldsbylur 10 ай бұрын

@@EmergencyChannel yeah, the tech is still too expensive for that, though 2k for a fully functional monitor is already an improvement over that same cost (or more) for just the panel without anything that drives it

@hyperyog 10 ай бұрын

unrelated but i love your profile picture

@hedgehog_dilemma 10 ай бұрын

How about a projector hanged from above

@Kafaldsbylur 10 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog_dilemma That requires a much more permanent installation that a monitor that can be brought in just before the game, then returned to storage

@Weaver_Games 6 ай бұрын

Canadian Tire now has all their price tags as e-ink displays. It's wild, I didn't even notice until I saw one shorting out

@UltimateByte 10 ай бұрын

For web scrolling, you can bind "page up/page down" keys to the refresh keys, that way you can kind of scroll and keep the display refreshed. :)

@samantony4423 10 ай бұрын

Guys, the addition of citations on this was amazing. This was probably already planned before the reflection week, but this is exactly the kind of addition that takes review content on youtube to the next level.

@Robkellysound 10 ай бұрын

@@SaruEMSEducation No, you can cite what you want. It is up to the reader/audience to interrogate the source and the argument being made by the author.

@okachobe1 10 ай бұрын

@@Robkellysound It puts them out in the open though too so they cant say they didn't know, or just didn't do their due diligence. this is them essentially saying hey we did everything right, and now if they are doing something dirty they wont have a leg to stand on and it will be very obvious. its a sign of good faith and transparency. but they can just post anything in the citations but it would be figured out quickly.

@leo6659 10 ай бұрын

its lame and takes too much screen

@braddishv3146 10 ай бұрын

No, it wasn't - if you think that you are delusional.

@MrGamelover23 10 ай бұрын

@@braddishv3146What do you have against citations?

@CyFr 10 ай бұрын

Oh! This would also be great for the linux command line and server use, and definitely for coding. But it needs to use some of the other e-ink tech that adds colours like red and yellow.

@luh034 10 ай бұрын

In theory I 100% agree, but the tech isn't fully there yet... For a Linux command line, sure this is awesome, but I don't think I could use this for coding with all of that ghosting. For the text itself, whatever, but I can imagine the ghosting getting really distracting, when you have LSP errors/messages or something getting displayed inline, and you always have to clear it manually to really see what's going on.

@millanferende6723 10 ай бұрын

You could also just use... GUNNAR GLASSES! (Seriously though... their natural focus makes text easier to read and somehow... more contrasting even. I have regular glasses at home and Gunnar at work, and they work FANTASTIC.)

@debemdeboas 10 ай бұрын

i agree! there are colored e-ink displays already, but they’re rare and there’s not much investment in this segment

@KenS1267 10 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. I currently have a secondary monitor in portrait I use just for editing code and the thought of it being e-ink made my poor abused eyes very happy.

@ThePC007 10 ай бұрын

I wanted one of those for coding and studying to reduce eye strain, but man, large e-ink displays are really expensive.

@LVIS-a 9 ай бұрын

It's (to most) a nearly insignificant change, but the way you're handling 2:12 makes me very very happy! I absolutely love it

@DoubleCTech 10 ай бұрын

I would totally get this monitor as a second display… if it was the same price or cheaper than a normal display.

@collinschofield808 10 ай бұрын

I completely agree, I can’t wait for the price of this tech to come down and become available to the general public

@kornkernel2232 10 ай бұрын

Yeah it is the price that it holds back. If its cheaper, even though its not a grea experience for general purpose. But for more specific use case, this will going to sell decently. This will end up as a 2nd monitor mainly for documents, novels and even reading mangas.

@drybonesGCN 10 ай бұрын

no you wouldn't

@adityapatil325 10 ай бұрын

It would be great for reading research papers

@milotherocket 10 ай бұрын

@@drybonesGCNas someone who does a lot of reading, yes. Yes I would.

@Majere613 10 ай бұрын

As a long-time Kindle user the refresh on this thing is pretty impressive in terms of the speed. What's really interesting is the colour version, though. I read a fair few digital comics on my Fire, and I'd far prefer to be able to read them using e-ink. The question is whether those displays will have proper colour accuracy or whether we're just looking at 4 colours, which would still be a big jump.

@ZedDevStuff 10 ай бұрын

I would really like a colored e-ink Android device considering my reading apps for basically everything are Android only

@flanker152 10 ай бұрын

id imagine its still just 4 colors, otherwise they would have to get the cells way smaller so they could use them as subpixels

@StarkRG 10 ай бұрын

Colour e-ink displays are washed out and limited, much like mass market paper comics are (or, at least, used to be, it's been a couple of decades since I read one), so I'd say they're fine. I'm not sure if they can produce small splotches of colour similar to to the way color was done in magazines and newspapers in the beforetime, but that could increase the apparent colour pallete.

@alxkeda 10 ай бұрын

@@ZedDevStuff onyx boox makes a color eink tablet running android 11

@glenbriggs5370 10 ай бұрын

4096 colors on kaleido 3 the tab ultra c is pretty awesome as far as eink tablets go Android 11 and at least 15 fps on the fastest refresh mode comics are pretty good on it in my opinion

@DigitalJedi 9 ай бұрын

E-ink displays seem like they would do really well for things like a graphing calculator where things change slowly and need to be retained for a long time. I'd love to have or build a device that has something like a big square E-ink panel with some sort of fast microprocessor like a Pi Pico on Teensy 4 to crank out big graphs for things, and given the power of those microcontrollers, and the potential for color output, even if it is 1-bit color (8 colors) that is still 6 graphs that don't match my axis lines, and those microcontrollers should be able to handle 3D rotations in real time as well. Just having each corner, face, or edge of a cube for view points of graphs would be huge, and you could refresh the whole screen after each refresh to render those whole big frames.

@2elw 6 ай бұрын

I think Casio made one with a Color e ink display

@HazewinDog 9 ай бұрын

I actually would like something like this on a budget just for displaying like a calendar and to-do list. I can't deal with physical versions, and hate how such important things are tucked away deep into my OS.

@robinbegley1077 8 ай бұрын

A cheap, cut down version for use as a digital calendar that would sync with outlook or your phone would be cool.

@marcscattolin1554 7 ай бұрын

@@robinbegley1077 This already exists, although not necessarily as a ready-built product. Search "Using E Ink displays with a Raspberry Pi" if you want that

@alvarofue 10 ай бұрын

I remember that a professor in my university had an e-ink monitor in his office like 10 years ago. He used it in portrait mode to read papers and other pdfs. Of course it wasn't its primary monitor, as it was only used for reading. As an engineer I see this product quite usefull, because most of the references that I need to check are on PDF, and an e-ink display is more natural and comfortable for that, than a regular monitor.

@Arrman2 10 ай бұрын

I've been lucky enough to see this thing up close and working on my Labs tour during LTX! Even the "slow" 15 Hz refresh rate feels like a game changer for e-ink. For all its shortcomings I'm still very interested to see what some more R&D can accomplish for this tech in a few years!

@alles_klar 10 ай бұрын

Having used the web browser on Kindles a bit, I was surprised to see how acceptable 15 Hz looks. With less ghosting I could totally live with it.

@Deathrape-if4kl 10 ай бұрын

It can make sense as something that requires NO power in between 'refresh' cycles 2 display text 4 an E-Reader tablet, but other than that, especially when U R 'wall powered' it's completely absurd & pointless. If U want 'low contrast themes' it's E Z 2 replicate the exact 'shading' of 'E-Ink' with ANY flat panel monitor or TV, like U can send it black & white (greyscale), turn down the 'backlight' brightness & reduce the 'contrast' & so on. If your monitor has no 'greyscale' mode U can just lower the 'color saturation' controls 2 zero on all 3 = same thing. Surprised Linus didn't show he can get the same look but with BETTER performance (refresh, etc.) with any random cheap monitor =P

@MrGamelover23 10 ай бұрын

@@Deathrape-if4kltrust me, it's not the same. Kindle screens feel MUCH more like paper than what you're describing.

@MrGamelover23 10 ай бұрын

@@Deathrape-if4klI don't think you realize just how much power this thing would save even by being wallpowered. Like, it wouldn't be using all that much power while attached to a wall.

@ebouwman034 10 ай бұрын

A monitor like this was already available a fee years ago IIRC. At this point I think the cost is a bigger issue than the tech. I would have one of these as a second monitor right now if it was affordable. 2k is too much.

@Jimmy.1979 9 ай бұрын

I always wondered why my kindle paper white refreshed so oddly. I learned something new!

@TheAceWolfe01 8 ай бұрын

There is actually one place where eink could be extremely useful in gaming.. In the face buttons on controllers.. So your computer can change what the buttons say.

@bsandro8866 10 ай бұрын

I'm using their smaller version (13") for almost a year, it is a godsend for programming. Takes a little time to get used to but switching off all backlight is so easy on eyes.

@RomainDelmaire 9 ай бұрын

I was thinking that would probably be one of the best case scenario for this monitor. If you want a display just to write. I don't think this was ever intended to browse the web or watch videos.

@ChrisWijtmans 9 ай бұрын

@@RomainDelmaire or if you stare at the same picture a lot like a flowchart, TODO list, tutorial etc. You can see that use case with their coloured eink monitor. Hope the tech improves a bit more for coding though.

@robinbegley1077 8 ай бұрын

It sounds like a lot of office work, typing word documents, filling out forums, sending email could be totally doable with this or the new color version. If it helps reduce eye strain and keep workers from wondering off to the internet, that's not as hard a business sell. @@RomainDelmaire

@mihailmojsoski4202 8 ай бұрын

bro what about syntax highlighting

@bsandro8866 8 ай бұрын

@@mihailmojsoski4202 turns out I can live without it! I've tried disabling it on my laptop before just to see how brain will react and after 2-3 days I felt no difference, source code is still perfectly readable.

@TheRussianhippie 10 ай бұрын

as a second or third monitor I could totally see this being awesome. I'd love it as a 45 degree desk monitor below my normal monitors to throw reference material onto.

@bonomel 10 ай бұрын

why would you put up diagonally though

@Sx107music 10 ай бұрын

Stm32CubeIDE on one monitor, stackoverflow on second, stm32 refman on the e-ink. Perfection!

@Kawaiilolrofl 10 ай бұрын

45 degrees?!

@alexanderrr1825 9 ай бұрын

13:57 You just gave me an idea on how to solve the eye strain problem.

@dan_loeb 9 ай бұрын

2:50 "it'll degrade eventually". i've had a kindle that has been entirely uncharged for 10+ years that still shows plug in to recharge screen the same as it did originally.

@hubertnnn 10 ай бұрын

Actually our local supermarket is using tiny color e-ink displays on each product to show prices. For long time I thought its just normal paper like in all other stores, but last week I saw it changing. It looks amazing, and since e-ink does not use power when not changing content it can save a lot of money on both power delivery for those devices and employee labor for manually swapping price tags whenever price changes. And its important since here in Poland our inflation is so insane that prices of everything is changing at least once a month, and sometimes even more often.

@somedonkus69420 10 ай бұрын

It's pretty common here in the Netherlands, has been for a couple of years. Great use of technology :).

@mr.sidious9163 9 ай бұрын

Now I want this here in Switzerland!

@Tiago_Ferrari 9 ай бұрын

bruh poland's inflation has nothing to do with Argentina's. Here prices change every week, or days... we're screwed, you've got 10% anual inflation, we... 100+% 🤯

@hubertnnn 9 ай бұрын

@@Tiago_Ferrari 10% is the propaganda. The actual inflation is around 25%. But true, it's still less than your.

@camjkerman 10 ай бұрын

In a smaller portrait format this could be really good for a dedicated word processing/study/research monitor, or to have off to the side in a gaming set up to monitor text chats or voice calls. I'd love maybe a 17" portrait version of this for that sort of thing.

@Ignash 10 ай бұрын

I mean, that is what remarkable tablet is pretty much, but yes. Like a focus only typewriter sort of thing it would be amazing.

@NekoFever 10 ай бұрын

When I worked as a copy editor I would have loved this for those days when I'm spending eight hours looking at Word documents and manuscripts.

@AdapG 8 ай бұрын

I'm super excited to see how this develops in the future, hopefully it gets to the point where it gets to around 60fps.

@robindp 10 ай бұрын

The colour version will be interesting, especially as a second monitor where you have documents loaded for reference (or to read while making notes, like a textbook).

@djurdjepavlovic 10 ай бұрын

A color version, you mean.. like a standard monitor?

@robindp 10 ай бұрын

@@djurdjepavlovic It would be an eInk colour display. Not as good as a standard monitor but better than the greyscale effort shown in the video.

@fakeone8936 10 ай бұрын

Reflecting light, like a a book with color. Like the Moon ≠ Sun.

@kmcat 10 ай бұрын

@@robindp It would work quite well as a TV menu a coffee shop or to display train times etc.

@cyberstonks 10 ай бұрын

imagine buying this as a twitch chat monitor

@ComanderCool909 10 ай бұрын

I like that the editor made sure the labels were in the same orientation and order as what they were labelling onscreen. Like the plugs on the bottom of the monitor, the labels were vertical and in the same order as the plugs on screen and it made it super easy to know what everything was

@DomiaAbrWyrda 9 ай бұрын

I know they're saying it's terrible as a video monitor but that looks so good compared to what I expected. E-ink has come a long way and I think that's very interesting since it doesn't have a big market compared to the other technologies Edit; that cost way more than I thought lol

@tamasmarcuis4455 2 ай бұрын

Just remembered I saw something like these in a large Law practice in Bruxelles. Turned vertically and set to one document page per screen. Law clerks were typing up legal documents. They usually have encrypted laptops open and connected to hubs at each desk instead of an office tower PC. The transition seemed to happen during and after the Pandemic.

@oupaization 10 ай бұрын

Love that you covered an e-ink display. It is interesting that your criticisms of the monitor and DASUNG's claims are absolutely justified due to the lack of research on e-ink's effectiveness, but my anecdotal experience does back up a lot of their claims. I've been using a DASUNG as my primary monitor for >2 years and it has completely changed my life. I have some kind of medical condition where even adhering to the 20-20-20 rule I will suffer headaches with prolonged LED display usage. However, I can happily stare at this monitor for hours on end, and use it all day if combined with the 20-20-20 rule. It has comically increased my productivity and permitted a career change into coding-heavy work. Aside from high-fps gaming, I do everything (including watching this video) on this monitor. The experience is certainly sub-optimal, but I am completely used to it at this point and only notice the difference when forced to use an LED monitor.

@krby_ 10 ай бұрын

damn, hearing about people that actually use these type of monitors is shocking for me. i dont think i could live with a monitor with no color settings, just grayscale.

@ThisWillCharacter 10 ай бұрын

I’m glad you have had a good experience but this technology has a long way to go to be viable for a wider market, it has promise but the contrast and frame rate needs to be improved, especially since this monitor isn’t as good as other e-ink screens. The best hope is that this inspires someone like amazon to do it better

@MrDacedric 10 ай бұрын

@@ThisWillCharacter Good points but as a first generation product in a new niche, it's a good start.

@ThisWillCharacter 10 ай бұрын

@@MrDacedric it is but it’s a steam deck situation where a smaller scale product gives a proof of concept that’s a bit rough around the edges for a large company that’s already experienced with adjacent tech to swoop in and take everything learned from that initial product niche, clean it up and release it to a wider market, leaving the original product in the dust. I’m not saying that’s what’s happened yet with the steam deck either but it’s inevitable once the laptop manufacturers get invested into handhelds

@skavlad5245 10 ай бұрын

In theory would this be good for static images like an airport schedule screen or a cafe menu?

@alexdavis9324 10 ай бұрын

In theory yes. Very low power consumption and good/acceptable viewing angles.

@22Tie22 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely! My hometown of Hamburg, Germany uses such displays as subway schedule signs in some places. It's works great and is very cool to look at!

@r45661 10 ай бұрын

@@22Tie22Also from Germany. Would be really interesting to see one on a picture, but was not able to find them. Where exactly are those located?

@wesleyhale4472 10 ай бұрын

Lots of grocery stores already have them displaying prices on the shelves. Most people don't even realize they are screens though

@skavlad5245 10 ай бұрын

@@22Tie22 that’s cool I didn’t know places were already rolling out that kind of stuff! I haven’t seen any in the US anywhere but it’s great to see some at least happen to use it, seems like such a good idea.

@Nuihc88 10 ай бұрын

It would be nice to see a power consumption comparison between this and RLCD (Reflective LCD) displays by SVD & EyeMoo.

@jamesphillips2285 6 ай бұрын

Yeah reflective LCD displays probably have a much higher refresh rate.

@calebjonathan7044 5 ай бұрын

@@jamesphillips2285 True. Sun Vision Display's RLCD Monitor has a 60hz refresh rate.

@jeffrbake 8 ай бұрын

I'm very interested in the color version. That has the potential to be very useful for programming

@TechGuyBeau 10 ай бұрын

3:20 precisely when linus remembered they are trying to be more detail oriented.

@Yakeru35 10 ай бұрын

When I'm working on an electronics project I always have a dozen datasheets opened. A dedicated, vertical, e-ink screen would be great for displaying them besides the main monitor. I am actually really surprised that there is no vertical mode on this one.

@brandishwar 10 ай бұрын

They showed about 3:08 that it can be turned vertically. Then you tell your OS you want to use it rotated.

@CaptainBlueTech 10 ай бұрын

They showed that it could tilt to vertical on its stand and since its a monitor you just change the setting in windows and bam you have a vertical e-ink monitor.

@zyeborm 10 ай бұрын

I went to a 50" oled linus style lol and use powertoys to handle layout. It's hard to compete with the "bandwidth" of dead trees though.

@matsv201 10 ай бұрын

Yea it would at least in theory, be very workable as a sort of secondary "where do a i store all my crap"-screen. But it seams like.. well its not quite there yet. They really need to make it like partially refresh all the time.

@AmeyahOfficialTV 9 ай бұрын

i can see this become a very good alternative for office work, once some things are resolved. Ever tried to write something like a thesis with 6-8h in front of the display?

@JamesR624 6 ай бұрын

"How do we refresh the display quickly?" "That's the neat part! You don't!" 🤣

@connorjensen9699 10 ай бұрын

I love e ink, I would honestly use this for typing & spreadsheet work type stuff. I think there's a lot of people who do written and editing based work who stare at screens for, well, most of their waking life and this might be a huge eye saver as a second monitor (if it weren't goofy expensive)

@venturoes1912 10 ай бұрын

How does it actually save your eyes though? Just the sky outside is probably so many times brighter than your monitor, so does looking at the sky also hurt your eyes?

@connorjensen9699 10 ай бұрын

@@venturoes1912 not a clue. but I can say from a utilitarian perspective I feel better spending hours reading a book, drawing, or reading on an e-ink tablet than looking at a computer screen. Not like I feel particularly bad looking at a computer screen - I'm not someone who thinks its going to rot your brain or do some conspiracy theory shit or whatever, but there is a difference. Not a $2000 difference though lol.

@WedgeGCrew1545 10 ай бұрын

Good to see the citations in the description! Along with cross references in the video, it's good to see you putting action to what you discussed previously.

@Jazztoasty101 9 ай бұрын

In public libraries sometimes there's PCs for e-books and sorts. This could be really useful for them where color isn't always needed.

@ArcaneMagickaBeam 9 ай бұрын

I could see this being useful in text-heavy applications, like reading papers, or copy editing. Things where the page isn't rapidly changing, and you would be staring at the screen for extended periods of time.

@BSGSV 10 ай бұрын

It is perfect for store displays showing prices, menus, airport arrival and departure displays, advertisements, etc. Basically mostly static things or things that dont need to refresh too often. I already see eink type displays used at Kohl's department stores for shelf pricing.

@Hansence 10 ай бұрын

It also got built-in turn-page animation, no more awful animation it can’t display.

@bungusbruh9669 10 ай бұрын

So glad yall are back! You got me into my tech career as a technician and I’m so glad you’re back!!!

@a3rrowman3 8 ай бұрын

I’ve always been interested in eink. Can’t wait to see you do the colored one!

@GroupNebula563 8 ай бұрын

I know someone who can’t look at LCD screens (something something eye something) and this would be PERFECT for them. I’m guessing that’s their target user base.

@dataetudes 10 ай бұрын

Ever since I got myself a kindle years ago, I keep checking if we're there yet with eink displays for computers; specifically for coding. this particular brand and monitor has been under my radar for some time, so this is probably the most useful video I've ever seen from this channel, in my own subjective set of interests of course, thanks. On a related note, I once bought an off brand eink replacement screen for my friend's kindle when her screen was cracked. the most interesting thing about that transaction was that the screen came in with ads already on it haha. they flashed an ad and shipped it as is, which I think is ingenious since it needs energy to change the image, not to keep it on the screen.

@JulianSildenLanglo 10 ай бұрын

Flashing an ad into an eink screen is just cheeky enough that it's not annoying.

@GamePlague 10 ай бұрын

If they could get the refresh rate up to 30fps I wouldn't mind having the color version of this as my 3rd monitor. It definitely seems like a technology that could be really cool if given enough time to develop.

@yaroslavgorbunov6824 10 ай бұрын

i think there was enough time to develop 30hz e-ink monitor, but it deffenetly hit the refresh rate limit

@andrewcoffman4424 10 ай бұрын

This makes me really wish that IMOD displays, Qualcomm branded them as Mirasol displays, hadn't been given up on so quickly. They might not have been able to beat e-ink in ereader tablets, but since it could support a higher refresh rate and without all of the flashing it would have been perfect for this kind of application.

@cbegefdkih 10 ай бұрын

The main problem is having to stop and clear the thing anytime there is a significant change in scenery. A more seemless method of clearing select areas of the monitor automatically would do wonders

@Mety333 10 ай бұрын

dang i would love this as a portrait side monitor. $2000 is a really high price though, my asus duo 16 laptop has 2 screens and it cost the same xD

@jake-san 9 ай бұрын

The new color version would work really nicely as a screen for workflow charts, like kanbanflow.

@hailcat7027 10 ай бұрын

There are definitely good uses for things like this, especially a colour version. That it saves energy is also convenient for public use displays that are always on - think of a directory in a mall, for example. You don't need a high refresh rate on those. Some stores, like Chapters/Indigo in Canada, also provide computers to customers so they can search inventory and location. E-ink monitors could be useful there, too.

@christina4941 10 ай бұрын

library monitors for searching might be good too

@Deathrape-if4kl 10 ай бұрын

It only makes sense if the price is about 1/10 what they are currently asking, because right now at $2,000 you can even get a full size flat panel HDTV & run it for literally more than 20 years & still end up paying less between power & hardware & all that jazz. Do the math =)

@xw3132 10 ай бұрын

@@christina4941 That's a very good point. Apart from cost saving, e-readers can be more aesthetically appealing in a library and feels more blend in.

@NeonCoding 10 ай бұрын

My guy you missed like the entire selling point of the eInk display

@hailcat7027 10 ай бұрын

@@Deathrape-if4kl Obviously. Like all tech, if it catches on the price will drop and will be more viable in everyday use. That wasn't my point.

@josephliew4103 10 ай бұрын

This content style is something I missed from LTT for many years. Entertaining and viewers learnt something. There were many more entertaining hardware reviews in recent years, but viewers didn't learn anything in those. At some point, I only stayed on because I didn't find any creator doing better in this audience segment. This is a very good video. Welcome back LTT.

@Myflag2022 10 ай бұрын

The quality of this video is a great improvement. I am looking forward to LTT's future.

@lilboigreasy 10 ай бұрын

@Myflag2022 tbf though the video was produced before the break

@Hathos9 10 ай бұрын

This video was made before their break. Literally nothing changed XD

@itskdog 10 ай бұрын

I know Linus keeps repeating about ensuring learning outcomes even on the "look at this cool thing" videos. I wouldn't say they haven't done it in a while, but things like "what's a JBOD", or "why not use a SAN" are things they've covered a couple of times before so the recent videos weren't as informative for long-time fans, but we're still educational for newer or occasional viewers.

@cpxcth 10 ай бұрын

@@Hathos9 placebo effect 😂😂

@timquestionmark 10 ай бұрын

That colour version looks so cool, as a second or third monitor it could be amazing! I also wonder how code looks on these

@Likeanycommentator 10 ай бұрын

Often I need to read a lot of pdf's in form of documentation or contracts. Using an e-ink display would be very beneficial in that regard. I really hope they can fix the screens sluggishness for writers in form of a driver update. If they manage that, they have a fantastic product!

@nonamepersonanonymous5246 8 ай бұрын

Most non-kindle (I mean more open) E-in ebook readers can read PDF. I got mine only cause it had Android, disable the "e-book" crap of software and installed standard tools (foxit-reader, total-cmd etc.). Not best due to being Android, but can work. If You will get lucky You may even get an Android base "e-book" reader which will be able to run X-server. My can't do that. If it would be a case, it will behave like a display+keyboard combo for Your Linux based PC.

@thenono1 10 ай бұрын

Literally checked 10 mins ago if LTT hadn't posted any new video cuz I was bored. The second I decide to hit the sack, I check my phone, and here I am. Glad to see you back Linus !

@prospekt_1 10 ай бұрын

9:59 This is one of the reasons the WCAG accessibility standards require links and buttons to not only be distinguished by colors. It must have some other indication like a background, border or underline to assist in differentiating from normal text content.

@MorgorDre 10 ай бұрын

Computer and Programming Ergonomics died 10 years ago with „clean ui“

@Kytetiger 10 ай бұрын

does Anysurfer has something akin?

@fermitupoupon1754 10 ай бұрын

It's a setting you can just force in most browsers. I have a customised colour profile in my browser as part of the Accessibility Options for sites that don't have a dark mode. Applying the profile forces specific fonts, colours and the likes. You can use the same thing for force underlining hyperlinks and such. In the end all of those things are decided client side, so what you set in your browser can't just be overridden by a site's CSS crap.

@l0zerth 10 ай бұрын

Everyone asks, "Can it play Crysis?" No one asks the real question, "Should it play Crysis?"

@soundspark 3 ай бұрын

Might actually be easier on the PC due to the low refresh rate.

@kubi0461 8 ай бұрын

It’s really cool tech. I hope someone can figure out a better way to handle refreshing and refresh rate someday. I’d love to have a basic e ink display in the kitchen or living room for simple stuff. That price though. I wish Amazon had a 12 inch e ink tablet. I do love how e ink works.

@RandomBogey 10 ай бұрын

I love E ink and the way they look, and would love to see an E ink monitor, but this is not it, yet. For now, it’ll stay regulated to things that don’t need more than one refresh every couple minutes, like temp sensor displays

@89lutzy 10 ай бұрын

Is that a new buzzer alert 0:25 to go along with the "error" correction from the words spoken? I like it! its such a meaninless error that changes nothing about purchasing descisions as anyone who is likely to want EInk isnt going to care of its 3000 or 3200 pixels if they are doing audio only listening, but its enough of a audible trigger to say "hey, something was different on screen". Keep it up!

@JoshuaAmos 10 ай бұрын

Fun little idea for the 20 20 20 rule for your office buildings. Unless you already do this. Sit in every office seat and place a marker 20 feet away for the team member to turn and look at to assist with eye refocusing. maybe even make a game of it somehow.