This is Pure False Advertising - HP 550 Keyboard
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We don't hate hybrid membrane-mechanical keyboards, we hate when the box doesn't make it 100% clear that that's what you're buying. Despite the deception, is the Gaming Keyboard 550 from HP any good or should you stay very far away?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:05 Blind Tests
2:35 Switches
5:00 Marketing
6:00 10KRO
8:00 Alternatives
9:10 Conclusion
11:08 Outro
@flyboy_463 Жыл бұрын
This felt like an oldschool episode to me. Here's a product being misleading, here's why, and here are options in a similar price range that are objectively better. Simple but effective, love it.
@nairocamilo Жыл бұрын
You're right
@williamyt6174 Жыл бұрын
You're right
@zzTeebeutel Жыл бұрын
You're right
@DK-yk9fs Жыл бұрын
You're right
@shadowhunterevil8214 Жыл бұрын
You're right
@avocadopictures9706 Жыл бұрын
As someone who logged over a 100 hours on a membrane keyboard in DMC3 when it first came out on PC, this is the last place where i'd expect to get called out like that. Good job writers.
@shanelewis7052 Жыл бұрын
Cracking game and series (except maybe 2). Genuinely cannot imagine playing it on keyboard though! You are a sadist!
@ShotGunner5609 Жыл бұрын
They're in your walls!
@budgetbajur Жыл бұрын
DMC5 I'd understand. But bro??? Your fingers didn't get tangled?
@damsen978 Жыл бұрын
PC version of that game is so trash, even today with mods it's just bad. PS2 version is the way to go. And HD edition is a mess.
@damsen978 Жыл бұрын
@@budgetbajur No, he meant DMC3, not 5.
@or2wheels Жыл бұрын
For a channel this big, it’s pretty amazing that you guys have the balls to call out a company as large as HP. Good stuff.
@josephoberlander Жыл бұрын
Several years ago I worked for a major university's IT department. These HP keyboards would last 3-6 months at most before they wore out and were basically a mushy mess. Terrible quality control right to the point of the plastic parts rubbing and squeaking on each other they had so much play in them.
@sokinnlife259 Жыл бұрын
lol i guess you are a new viewer xD
@josephoberlander Жыл бұрын
@@xeon39688 No, that was the keyboard that came with the PC. We bought a LOT of those SFF HP PCs, which were excellent for normal office use. But the included keyboard went from good, lasts for 3 years or so to 1 year then finally junk because we have to include something. The cost-cutting was blatantly obvious on everything aside from the PC itself. The same with their monitors - the panel was fine, but the bezels, stands, and even supplied cables all went from beefy and solid to barely adequate. Lenovo (same parent company) had this happen as well with their laptops which used to be overbuilt tanks almost like old Thinkpads to flimsy garbage.
@Jedibenuk Жыл бұрын
There's no fear if the UK Trading Standards Office are going to be investigating.
@WhiteshadowTV Жыл бұрын
LMAO they call out intel and Nvidia almost weekly.
@bauxite13 Жыл бұрын
If I can give a bit of feedback about the graphs, like the one at 2:49, I feel layout of the graph could be improved by putting the name of the hardware (Havid KB487L) in the middle and placing the axis labels under it with a bit smaller font to help guide the eyes a bit (for example, giving a subtitle "force(grams) ↑ vs displacement(mm) →"). You can still put the labels next to the graph as well, but a I would make those a bit smaller as to not draw that much attention to them. Currently my eyes need to move quite a lot to find what I'm actually looking at. Also same for the labels "press" and "release": I feel they should be quite a bit smaller as they now the first things that draw the attention of the viewer. But those are my own two cents on it.
@Cyberguy42 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@sandysan4191 Жыл бұрын
Yeah no I couldn't tell what I was looking at in the graph so yeah it needs to be improved
@Sprw Жыл бұрын
I can't believe companies would lie to sell more of their products 😱
@Thefishyperson Жыл бұрын
SUCH A PLOT TWIST!!!
@nobrakes7892 Жыл бұрын
lol they do it all the time
@atmojoe Жыл бұрын
Surprise surprise 😅
@kaileh57 Жыл бұрын
No way!!!
@GamingAndRCs Жыл бұрын
69th like nice 😂
@SomeBoredDeveloper Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that they went to all the effort of creating the fake switches
@danko5866 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, sounds like something a Chinese rip off company would do
@Billy_The_Frog Жыл бұрын
I feel like they could have easily turned it into an optical switch keyboard with the right PCB lol
@erwark Жыл бұрын
@@Billy_The_Frog 100%. Optical technically isn't mechanical actuation, but it feels sooo smooth and consistent. Let's not pretend this was anything other than a cost-cutting lie.
@coccoborg Жыл бұрын
They probably saved a few pennies. This is infuriating.
@hikaritsumi2123 Жыл бұрын
And I thought no one but only the Chinese are willing to do that.
@michaelryce1200 Жыл бұрын
You can put a new ink cartridge in your HP printer, go flip the circuit breaker on and off 5 times over the course of 24 hours, and the HP printer’s ink head “maintenance” that runs each time the printer loses power and regains it will completely drain your cartridge without printing a single page. It’s borderline criminal.
@elvingearmasterirma7241 Жыл бұрын
It makes me want to take a printer and toss it through HP headquarters windows. Of the ceo
@geese5170 Жыл бұрын
That’s a very specific scenario. When would you be flipping your breaker 5 times
@RandomThingamajig Жыл бұрын
Consumer grade HP products are generally garbage, but their enterprise grade stuff is actually pretty decent and easy to work with. I would be happy for one in a business, but I would never have one in my house.
@TheEclecticDyslexic 11 ай бұрын
@@geese5170it is entirely a reasonable scenario to lose power 5 times in a day if you live somewhere windy and remote.
@calebnation6155 11 ай бұрын
@@geese5170and 5 power outages could cause the issue without even printing a page.
@LordApera Жыл бұрын
Had a k551 with blue switches for a few years, it held up pretty well but the cookies were fixed so I recently upgraded to a k580 with browns. Love it so far. Preference is absolutely right.
@Felix-qk2xs Жыл бұрын
I think once the LTT lab is fully functional it will be an a amazing achievement!
@ImKairyu Жыл бұрын
@My Cancer Journey dont care
@fireninja8250 Жыл бұрын
@rc6146yay capitalism
@akirance33 Жыл бұрын
Mhm!
@TheOne23_ Жыл бұрын
@@ImKairyu if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything. Your parents failed you
@callumorchard6856 Жыл бұрын
@@TheOne23_ bro he's replying to a bot. If it's a bot, only say mean things
@liquidt3ch Жыл бұрын
I worked for HP tech support for 3 years. I had the best stats in my call center, so I was allowed to attend an actual meeting with HP big wigs discussing the future of their company. I told them to get into gaming products. this was back in 2004 or 5. they told me that was an awful idea. then months later they decided to do it. but they were so overpriced. they literally just took their consumer PC, added a stick of ram, a semi-good video card and added 1k to the cost. consumers weren't buying it. HP upper management is soooo out of touch
@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure you were the first and only person to ever suggest HP get involved in gaming. With the margins of the personal computer business, gaming is historically always a bad idea. Compaq knew this. HP knew this. The combined company sure knows it. There will be new generations of executives that wil learn for themselves and then know gaming personal computers is a money pit that will never work at large scale.
@Badgabr1 Жыл бұрын
They arrived late to the party with the HyperX acquisition. And yes, HP upper management is still way out of touch, both in PCs and Printing. Source: also work for them.
@FourLightsOfficial Жыл бұрын
HP companies' profit from all aspects of Israel's apartheid. Their role is similar to Polaroid's complicity with South Africa during apartheid. ATROCIOUS. DO NOT BUY HP.
@qwertykeyboard5901 Жыл бұрын
@Claudia Furlan Hey, if the pay is good and you enjoy it, who cares? Unless said job is the pure evil like the CIA then _please leave._
@Windows7UltimateTheVyonder Жыл бұрын
That is why I build I have an athlon X4 dell, with a AMD GPU
@ninjoi Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say, great work to the Linus team. I believe you guys are improving and innovating your content and that goes great lengths to help responsibly-educate anyone who’s exposed to your content. Caught myself writing few pages length of what I mean, but just know, I appreciate how well-written and responsible the channel is. Good job everybody at Linus. This is important work. 🙏🏽
@GreenFuture001 Жыл бұрын
This video feels like original LTT (i.e. WAY more engaging) combined with awesome lab testing stats. Keep it up!
@peterpan408 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps he is getting back to his roots after losing some of his audience..
@phil2782 Жыл бұрын
Labs is starting to show itself. I was sceptical about lab's, but fuck me that data is sexy and I now don't think I could buy a keyboard without it. Labs will be a behemoth.
@dookiepost Жыл бұрын
You know, things aren’t supposed to stay the exact same forever?
@BMH781 Жыл бұрын
Misinformation is the name of the game in the tech industry. I’m glad that we have people like Linus who don’t fall victim to the standard of business practices. Finally someone willing to expose them. Keep up the great work LMG❤️
@TippyHippy Жыл бұрын
I put my hamster in a sock and slammed it against the furniture.
@wekkimeif7720 Жыл бұрын
Literally any tech shop you go to and ask for some tech product recommendation 99% of the time the sales guy has 0 clue of their products and just recommends the products that have high price
@RayanMADAO Жыл бұрын
Every industry* if anything the tech industry is more wary about misinformation because tech enthusiasts are very particular
@thenonexistinghero Жыл бұрын
Don't use the term misinformation, it's a confusing term with inconsistent definitions. This is straight up false advertising.
@Hirokuro_Asura Жыл бұрын
LMG stands for Light machine gun ... 🤔
@TheDeadlyTemplar Жыл бұрын
The box plots at 9:25 are really great, but it would be awesome if you showed them all side by side at the same time so that they are easier to compare.
@Spookie_Senpai Жыл бұрын
Same with the displacement graphs. it would be nice to see how they compare to something like a logitech or wooting keyboard.
@ntindle Жыл бұрын
Agreed, may want to improve the contrast on it though
@superslash7254 Жыл бұрын
Look up "violin plots", you'll never want to go back to a boxplot again. Gives you all the same info as a boxplot but also additional information about the distribution of the actual datapoints.
@tayumapower Жыл бұрын
I ought this exact Havit keyboard a couple of months ago. And, I was honestly very impressed. Yes, it has flaws and shortcomings, but for the price I paid (35-40$ CAD), It's miles better than some more expensive mechanical keyboards I've tried that were between 70-90$. Plus, it fits my whole rig's color scheme of orange and black I do still believe that, building your own mechanical keyboard is much better and a great project that doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg
@crasssy1 Жыл бұрын
Really nice to see, that the lab finally provides the graphs of how a switch performs and feels!
@Plain--Jane Жыл бұрын
The lab stats + the input from keyboard enthusiasts has made these videos a lot more interesting, you guys did some good work
@armadillito Жыл бұрын
"Words are not just words; they actually mean things!" Truly words to live by.
@HaralHeisto Жыл бұрын
Ahh, if only you'd typed something that meant things, but it's only words!
@Galiant2010 Жыл бұрын
I die by those words every yesterday!
@Lukecaseyshaw Жыл бұрын
If we look closelier
@williammiller3277 Жыл бұрын
Words mean whatever we want them to mean . . .
@superslash7254 Жыл бұрын
Love the stats. Consider using violin plots instead of boxplots. Same principle, but it's a superior method of conveying all the same data plus some additional underlying information about the actual distribution of the raw data itself.
@trapical Жыл бұрын
Extremely well edited video, props to the team
@sobhanbhuyan6083 Жыл бұрын
This item was available in India and was the same price as other local mechanical keyboards (cosmic byte). Just because it was a product from a reputable brand, it sold more even with lower ratings and bad reviews. The reviews were fun to read though :)
@nirmalkarthikeyan7346 Жыл бұрын
I fell for it 😭
@AMANSINGH-yr5yg Жыл бұрын
Which keyboard was that? I recently purchased a cosmicbyte keyboard (cb gk 27) and I wanna know if I fell for the scam?
@tzxazrael Жыл бұрын
@@AMANSINGH-yr5yg he was saying "this product" (so i'm assuming he meant the HP keyboard)... as compared to similar local keyboards like the cosmicbyte. if you compared the cosmic byte vs the hp, and went for the hp... then you fell for the scam.
@nirmalkarthikeyan7346 Жыл бұрын
The cosmicbyte is mechanical. Poorly built and has a really bad looking legend but it's still mechanical. I've replaced this with another HP, GK320. pulled a couple keycaps off before purchase, it is a genuine blue switch mechanical. Very loud though😂
@sobhanbhuyan6083 Жыл бұрын
For anyone buying mechanical keyboard in India, cosmic bytes are cheap yes but not really a good option, there are better options like rk84 but are more expensive. Pls avoid cosmic byte so that you won't have to throw it away in a year or 2.
@reversemyopia Жыл бұрын
Good to see Redragon's hard work being acknowledged in the budget keyboard space. They've released a low profile TKL keyboard. Check them out.
@gowron277a Жыл бұрын
So far, im loving my vata. Good quality board.
@thedanyesful Жыл бұрын
Low profile for those who are just nostalgic for the short travel of a laptop keyboard lol.
@victorpublic Жыл бұрын
@@thedanyesful So you mean by chosing a low profile keyboard we are somehow inferior to you ?
@mal4951 Жыл бұрын
@@victorpublic why so defensive lmao
@crazycrystals Жыл бұрын
keychron >>, just spend the $20 more.
@admiralbenbow1232 Жыл бұрын
I was building my PC a few months ago and almost bought this keyboard. Good thing I've decided to read some reviews and ended up getting a pretty decent hybrid keyboard from Cougar for the same price
@RB26DEST Жыл бұрын
Still rocking Ducky Shine 3 with black Cherry MX switches here, couldn't be happier. For me, the Cherry MX black is the way to go. This and an SSD were my best upgrades. Thanks LMG!
@mihirsud2315 Жыл бұрын
Not even surprised HP lied. They basically became that one person that says lying is their toxic trait
@volvo09 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that they put real effort into deceiving customers, rather than just offering a real mechanical keyboard!
@recurveninja Жыл бұрын
i love lying. lying is so much fun. i can't even imagine getting paid to lie, it's like a dream job.
@goncalo33 Жыл бұрын
@@recurveninja Become a marketing guy at HP, then.
@eniff2925 Жыл бұрын
@@recurveninja you would bea great politician
@jahnesaisquoi Жыл бұрын
you know what would be sick? if LTT push’s the industry towards actually making great products that aren’t misleading by calling them out every time through the Lab.
@TeddieBean Жыл бұрын
That's kind of the point of the of the Lab 😅😁👍🏻
@jmtholmbo Жыл бұрын
And LTT is going to be rolling in the cash, LTT is going to have a line in everything tech that they tested and designed. That screw driver and backpack got them that lab.
@draconk Жыл бұрын
@@jmtholmbo Good brands will start fighting each other to get the Linus Seal of Approval to put it on Amazon without a doubt
@chench1lla Жыл бұрын
Idk you need other labs still, one group can always be bought out or have biases.
@killersquirel11 Жыл бұрын
There's only so many videos they can put out in a week
@Crimnox_Cinder Жыл бұрын
I use the razer ornata chroma, the one you guys showed in the video for the "hybrid" keyboards. It's my all time favourit keyboard, it hits all the right spots for me in terms of keyboards.
@BobMotster Жыл бұрын
Speaking of NKRO, it'd be great to test that feature for some popular gaming keyboards in your new lab.
@GdnMaW Жыл бұрын
I like the inclusion and styling of the graphs from the lab data but I think it would be easier to parse if they showed the tests for different products at the same time. Graphs are great for showing comparisons between data. I could barely understand the latency graphs until you showed the latency graphs for the other two keyboards.
@GentleWruzzPuppet Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand what I'm looking at with the other graphs for context.
@SyntheticFuture Жыл бұрын
Don't you mean the displacement graphs? There is only one latency graph. The displacement graph is a measure of "pressure required" vs how far the key is pressed. For a linear switch the force required should be the same no matter how far the key is pressed. A curbed line suggests that the further you press the key the harder it becomes to press.
@nairocamilo Жыл бұрын
@@SyntheticFuture I'm pretty sure they showed other graphs (A simple bar graph) for the Apex 3 and another keyboard by the end of the video
@LightbulbTedbear2 Жыл бұрын
@@GentleWruzzPuppet They're box plots. The box is the first to third quartile and the top and bottom lines are the range. It took me forever to figure out as well because they're formatted so badly.
@SyntheticFuture Жыл бұрын
@@nairocamilo oh you are correct. I missed those when rewatching for graphs because they aren't back to back 😅
@watercannonscollaboration2281 Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy to see how far LTT has gone in terms of keyboard reviews, now that the lab is here. Compared to the GSkill cherry red keyboard review from a few years ago the production and testing quality have gone so far
@DistinctGamer_ Жыл бұрын
Great job with the video! Would like to see the “legend” on the graphs a bit bigger. They’re rather small and hard to read, on both mobile and my laptop.
@LabCat Жыл бұрын
I have a G413 and agree that for the price, it's a very well-built mass-market board. The only real issue that keeps me from using it as a daily driver is that I have long wrists and the angle of the board makes it difficult for me to find a comfortable typing position. For someone with shorter fingers or shorter wrists than mine, though, I could recommend it. The Romer-G Linear switches have a nice progressive feel and don't bottom out too hard.
@gyattsothewandering9413 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see all of the data the lab can gather, I am also very thankful your team is making this happen. Thank you for giving solid data and great reviews all these years.
@GreatYamatanoOrochi Жыл бұрын
Doing like a full suite of Redragon product reviews would probably do the biggest favor to most consumers. I took the K552 pill recently and it's been an amazing keyboard so far, although I'm saying it as someone who's been living and breathing rubberdomes all my life.
@AndRei-yc3ti Жыл бұрын
I have the K556. Amazing keyboard. Aluminum top. Feels solid. Has num pad. Amazing back light. Brown switches (comes in red variant too) and you can switch to the type you like. I'm enjoying it alot
@twinversbr Жыл бұрын
I have the K618 at work and love it. Plan to get another for home use. It may not be quite as good as the Logitech G915 but at 1/3 the price, it's a no brainer for me.
@no-replies Жыл бұрын
They're solid. Was looking at one handed board they have but can't stand the weird space bar. They've come a long way in the past 3 years
@xeon39688 Жыл бұрын
I have a Redragon mouse and it's amazing
@jacim5692 Жыл бұрын
I have used membrane keyboard for 15 years, and when i finally decided to try out a mechanical one, sadly i ended up with this one. It was on sale, i got it really cheap, but something just felt off about it when i first used it, and now i know why. A month later spacebar died... thankfully i got my money back. I added a bit more and got logitech g413 which felt miles better. Its good linus is spreading awareness about it so people don't get scammed like i did, i actually thought i had a mechanical keyboard... i fell for it...
@nxzoo11 3 ай бұрын
Same... I just bought it what do you think I should do
@joshpark868 Жыл бұрын
such a fun episode and edit. Big kudos for separately filming the joke shots.
@sirsneakybeaky Жыл бұрын
Love this kind of content. This is a obtainable object, being validated and called out.
@thetalesofdaneandco Жыл бұрын
4:43 They should've edited in Steve from Gamers Nexus for the Tech Jesus bit.
@dolan-duk Жыл бұрын
Just put the cutout in a GN tshirt.
@jacksonbyer7460 Жыл бұрын
Loved this video. I agree with other comments about the value of calling companies out on their BS. On another note, I'm suprised the venerable Model M did not show face in this episode! No harm done. I was waiting for it though. :D
@Vlad-1986 Жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that one now old video on this channel did a shootout fir the IBM model M keyboard, which I used as a child. Then discovered the Unicomp recreation and I ended up with one. I am not sure it is the best for gaming, but I am so much in love! I am always looking for an excuse to use it. Keyboards are more important that one might think
@DirtyYogurt Жыл бұрын
Like 10 years ago I got my first mechanical, a CM Storm. The switches were soldered, and that caused one of the keys to blow out the substrate. Was able to solder a wire across the previously connected pins and it's been working flawlessly since. Instantly made me a mechanical keyboard fan for life.
@HeyItsJonny Жыл бұрын
I've had multiple devastator sets, and I very briefly had a storm. Great gear for the price, and if I return to being a daytime person I'll most likely get a storm again.
@dbradford32 Жыл бұрын
I would like to add, the LTC nimbleback is also a great option. It is completely hot swappable, and around the 50 dollar mark... It's full mechanical, and feels and sounds great. I have been daily driving mine for a little over a year, and i am in love with it. If I decide i dont like the sound of the switches, i just swap them out for something else. I currently run mine with a set of silver speed switches. It sounds great, and the key presses are responsive.
@ryanqube9132 Жыл бұрын
I daily-drive a local gaming brand keyboard called "Gamen Titan Elite". Some simple mods like switching the alphabet and spacebar to brown switch (they only ship the keyboard with blue switch), filling it with some padding foam, trimming and lubing the stabilizer turned this $15 keyboard into my favorite keyboard mainly because of the layout (78 keys but instead of having function keys, it has NUMPADS! which is a godsend for someone who used Blender a lot).
@th3c05m05 Жыл бұрын
those redragon tkls were my first mechanical keyboard, and the g413 was my first namevrand switches. glad to hear that i made good choices.
@sepoanabalon9728 Жыл бұрын
4:02 nice
@joseisrael2946 Жыл бұрын
had to scroll way more than I should've to find this, nice
@PokerBingo Жыл бұрын
wow... this one hits close to home. I also bought this keyboard and returned it in a heartbeat after experiencing how bad it was... Ended up getting the G512 Carbon.
@thatrawk Жыл бұрын
@@luis_lantano The thing is it isn't even that cheap. It's essentially a $5 keyboard pretending to be a $50 keyboard, but of course it's HP and as usual they are scamming customers just like they did with my laptop, HP is really a shit company
@thatrawk Жыл бұрын
@@luis_lantano The problem is that it isn't a mechanical keyboard, and you would be better off buying a membrane at a cheaper price and saving up for something better. Of course you thought it was a good price but that was only because of HP's false advertising.
@Hnkka Жыл бұрын
same i have same keyboard after losing my sanity trying to fix membrane keyboard
@PokerBingo Жыл бұрын
@@triadwarfare Nah. GX Brown (the only one left in the store), but thank you for that explanation. My brother has another keyboard (not the same one) and it does double click a lot. Now I know a possible cause.
@Bobby3OOO Жыл бұрын
I love how many of the staffers are in this one -- such great videos even when the topic isn't one I think I'll be interested in at first
@abidanjam1234 Жыл бұрын
I bought a keyboard named E-Yoosoo Z686 for around 30USD. For this budget,it may not feel very good to enthusiasts but it has Hot swappable switch and Detachable cord and software controlled RGB for more fps. for this budget i was surprised and happy with the purchase.
@antiwokehuman Жыл бұрын
8:33 Canadian Rubles? That's a new one for me
@chrisbarnard3946 Жыл бұрын
My friend got one of these, I honestly thought it was mechanical when he showed me over the phone, felt it once and could tell, sure was a shame that hp was being this sneaky
@bobmarley2140 Жыл бұрын
Tell your friend I hate his keyboard then tell him to get a cheap Akko board
@chrisbarnard3946 Жыл бұрын
@@bobmarley2140 he doesn't really care that much considering he keeps his desktop backwards with the cables facing out and uses a super bad Logitech mouse from 10 years ago and it's a wireless one. New Logitech wires mice are like 5 bucks
@bobmarley2140 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisbarnard3946 You've just ruined my night.
@timmy7201 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisbarnard3946 Is a 10 year old functioning Logitech mouse even possible? Mine always broke right after their 2 years warranty period ended. The plastic mold would usually wear out, there where it touches the internal switch. Causing missed or double clicks at times. Have been using a Razer Atheris for the past 2 years, it's great besides requiring new batteries every three months...
@chrisbarnard3946 Жыл бұрын
@@timmy7201 yeah it's an old dongle only wireless one, only the rubber is worn down
@elFxble Жыл бұрын
i bought the havit keyboard because the 10 keys in a tkl size is AMAZING. wish more ppl did this layout
@compaqdeskpro5770 Жыл бұрын
That sponsor spot for the ARM server, you need to review that! Could there be a competitor to EPYC and M1 Ultra?
@apenguin7779 Жыл бұрын
There should be a way to hold them accountable.
@Fantastic_Mr_Fox Жыл бұрын
Ye u can probably sue for false asvertisement
@cheeeeezewizzz Жыл бұрын
class action false advertisement lawsuit
@alaskanmalamute101 Жыл бұрын
Move to the EU?
@Chains377 Жыл бұрын
Typically once you grab the bad press from someone like LTT, they tend to make some changes based on that alone.
@CADClicker Жыл бұрын
This is the way. Spread awareness, and don't buy their products
@JamesFluker Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your work advocating for consumers! Tech feels like one of those places, where companies feel they can get away with lying because so many consumers lack the knowledge. It's amazing to see an account with such wide reach calling them out.
@postjm9 Жыл бұрын
I bought the Logitech G413 for a home office setup and it's been great. Nice solid frame and good action without being loud.
@iddan1205 Жыл бұрын
And me rocking my Microsoft Sidewinder X4 keyboard. It's missing a foot and the W is flaking off. But it's silent and has a red backlight so I'm happy.
@vinaigretta Жыл бұрын
thank you for shouting out the rhythm gamers!! back in the day on garbo keyboards, i thought i was just bad at mania games- surprised to learn it was likely (mostly) rollover! thanks for the interesting and informative video as always!
@Neoxon619 Жыл бұрын
Having multiple keys being pressed at once is actually important for genres that require multi-button inputs, such as fighting games (which isn’t anywhere near as hellish as trying to play DMC on a keyboard, an example pointed out the video). Speaking of which, keyboard switches are actually becoming quite popular with leveless controllers. It’s because of those kinds of controllers that SOCD (simultaneous opposing cardinal directions) has become a hot topic in the FGC. Although another pet peeve of mine that carried over for this keyboard is the fact that the cable is hard-wired to the PCB. It’s a nuisance that’s also pretty commonplace with arcade sticks, so stick manufacturers really need to just do detachable USB-C ports across the board like most keyboard makers already do these days.
@nemtudom5074 Жыл бұрын
Uhh, i think its important for more than just fighting games In fact, i believe that N-key rollover should be the only standard, and everything under it should be left to the dustbin of history.
@TheUnlocked Жыл бұрын
@@nemtudom5074 Implementing NKRO is more expensive. If the intended customers aren't ever going to need more than 6KRO, keeping prices down by omitting NKRO can be a good thing. As long as the company doesn't lie about it...
@nemtudom5074 Жыл бұрын
@@TheUnlocked While technicly true, its an abysmally small cost. Its just a bunch of extra traces and resistors, maybe a slightly more expensive controller that can handle N-key rollover. It shouldnt increase the price by more than a couple dollars (unless the manufacturer is using it as an excuse to inflate the price of the keyboard) I really dont think this argument holds water. Technicly you're right, but its inconsequential. For a 10$ membrane keyboard, sure. For a mechanical keyboard, nahh. Even the affordable redragon keyboards have n-key rollover. it doesnt matter in end cost.
@jayo8621 Жыл бұрын
great job lab keyboard team see you in 2 years for the next time a keyboard video will be an interesting addition to the lineup again!
@WillCMAG Жыл бұрын
I own both the 413 Carbon and the 413 SE. I like both keyboards they are straight forward and to the point. I love the Roamer G switches and wished they had an MX style steam instead of what they came with. I hated that the 413 Carbon came with polystyrene keycaps that were fragile largely due to the steam design of the Roamer G switches. The coating on the keycaps did wear out really fast but Razer still uses a similar keycap. The 413 SE ditches the gaming lock and macro functionality on the F1-F12 keys. It instead has a Media functions and lighting controls. However, the SE has num lock and Scroll lock indicators that weren't present on the Carbon model. Also, the 413 SE has double shot PBT keycaps. For the example of the G413 SE has Long Hua Brown switches. The switches come from the same company as Kailh switches. To me the switches feel like a cross between a Roamer G and a Cherry MX brown.
@ebmusicman84 Жыл бұрын
Never knew about key rollover before. Found an online test and was pleased to see my G610 Brown got up to at least 26, making me believe it's probably just NKRO since I ran out of ways to press keys lol.
@Wolficefang Жыл бұрын
Just flip the keyboard over and push it into the table lol
@AislingPhoenix Жыл бұрын
I'm curious how much hp actually saved, if anything, by not using a standard mx style switch. I imagine the pcb and some cheaper switches from the likes of Greetech or Otemu couldn't be much more than a membrane pcb and a custom "switch" to make it look mechanical.
@GuyGamer1 Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thought. They had to make 90% of a switch...
@faustinpippin9208 Жыл бұрын
@@GuyGamer1 even when its only 5$ per keyboard its still worth it for them because they will sell at least a few thousand so like 5$ x 9321 keyboards = 46000$ extra profit for the rich CEO so he can use his private jet when he's flying to Paris to eat breakfast.
@nmd7142 Жыл бұрын
Just on the topic of keyboards, I would like you guys at LMG to get your hands on and share your thoughts on the new Flux keyboard. Cool concept that I would like to see and learn more about.
@DunkdaHunk Жыл бұрын
I always used to buy cheap peripherals, cause I thought it didn't make enough of a difference to warrant spending the money. I decided to shell out for a better peripherals with my latest build 2 years ago, and the difference has been mind blowing. I now use a Steelseries Apex 7 with brown keys and a Logitech G502 Hero. It's a larger, heavier mouse than many, but that's ok as that's actually what I want as I absolutely hate ultra light mice.
@ariceff1419 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you guys test the dropped key presses in the ltt lab
@lowbeam5005 Жыл бұрын
yep that was my first "mechanical" keyboard. Returned it the day after. I remember it actually blocked the spacebar when you held two directional keys at the same time (WASD not arrows) which meant you couldn't jump while moving diagonally in games all thanks to it's amazing anti-ghosting feature!
@mrbobgamingmemes9558 Жыл бұрын
Damn, i dont remember that i ever suffering keyboard ghosting issues in any game i ever played even on integrated keyboard on cheap non gaming laptop i used to have long time a go, what an overpriced piece of 💩
@corecombat26 Жыл бұрын
The name on the imposter switches are Gateron, which is pretty weird since I have not heard about them being in the mem-chanical market. Cherry have their Viola switches as well, though not good they are open about it. Might contact them just to see what are they up to, their switches are so good and cheap now that it doesn't make sense to have a new assembly line producing switches that aren't mechanical.
@JMark4 Жыл бұрын
I have been using that Havit keyboard for about two years and its amazing. Holding up amazingly, cleaning it is quick and easy. Overall feel is consistent.
@dappermuis5002 Жыл бұрын
I have always prefered mechanical over membrane. I hung on to my 30 odd year old keyboard till it no longer worked and the other started doing ghost writing due to changes in how operating systems works with the old stuff. I've been using my Havit now for about 4 - 5 years and loving it. Though my Mom's one only lasted about a year and a half before a whole row of keys shorted out. I've kept it as spares in case I have to repair mine as it is the same make and model. She replaced it with a Reddragon. I must admit I like it a bit more, but both are better than a membrane. Especially for typing. I do a lot of that and a membrane keyboard can actually be more tiring that a Mecanical Keyboard. Especially the horrible mushy one we have for the one office pc.
@kylon1235 Жыл бұрын
3:37 Closelier sounds like it should be a word lol
@RothAnim Жыл бұрын
Oh, a belated thank you to the LTT community regarding mechanical keyboards. This was where I learned that Outemu switches had smaller pins, and where I could find a compatible switch alternative (Akko) for my board. I'm using Akko "Sponge" alternatives to the brown switches in a K556-RK, and it has been fantastic.
@Radi0Active94 Жыл бұрын
razer ornata chroma v2 is my go-to when i need a keyboard in a pinch. love the feel, sound, and comfy wrist rest
@nathanerickson863 Жыл бұрын
I own a logitech G413 and LOVE IT. I've had it for at least a year and I only have had to replace a few keycaps, (Q, W, E, R, A, S, D, F, 1, 2, 3,), which it comes with a few of.
@memberberries7669 Жыл бұрын
I ordered a GAS67 last night and I cant wait for it to come. Eventually I feel like just having hotswap wont be enough and big name brands will offer gasket mount kits with poly carbonate plates.
@B-U-N-N-I Жыл бұрын
I accidentally bought a keyboard like this once but it was advertised as "mechanical feel". It was much cheaper though and also came with a mouse.
@panikk2 Жыл бұрын
man redragon have been killing it in the budget keyboard space for a while now. i also recommend epomaker, yunzii, and royal kludge for the best bang-for-your-buck . a lot of them offer gateron or other high quality switches and dual-shot pbt keycaps. with both of those things combined you're pretty much set and can easily replace things if they break down the line. typically they even come with extra switches just in case.
@ciaojay7025 Жыл бұрын
Redragon upgraded their pcbs to 5 pin now. Their k550 barebones has the standard 5 pin sockets.
@infinitysurvivor2681 Жыл бұрын
the first keyboard i bought was asus tuf k1 i tested with small rocks its marketed as 19 key rollover it actually does that it also has better latency than many mechanical keyboards (its mem-chanical)
@ChiralWolf Жыл бұрын
super interesting to see this video against that "Sh!t manufacturers say" on the mem-chanical keyboard with luke. hadn't thought about it but having so many more people in the office gives you so many more people to do the side-by-side comparison than just having luke come in vlog-style.
@IncredibleJ1 Жыл бұрын
Personally, even for my desktops, I've always just gone for scissor switches. I just type a bit better with the lower travel and like the look better.
@PaulMansfield Жыл бұрын
I've got a wired corsair k53 tkl keyboard and it's good for office work and casual gaming, fairly cheap, has adjustable backlight too.
@nemtudom5074 Жыл бұрын
6:54 Thats because X-key rollover (excluding N-key), is based on zones, and hitting many in one zone will disable the rest while still allowing keys outside that zone. Worse yet, the zone layouts are not standardised, and whatever the manufacturer decided on
@orbatos Жыл бұрын
To elaborate on zones a bit, they are statistically derived based on workflow... But what workflow? Who knows. Chances are it's not gaming, and whether it is something you actually do, unless this machine is sitting in an office you likely multitask. Good luck when you find a program you use a lot is particularly affected. For the handful of zone layouts actually informed by game input, they appear to have bodged that on top of an existing zone based design, losing any real benefits. N-key solves all of this, and there really is no excuse at this point as the cost difference in mass production would be hard to even calculate with any confidence.
@danwhite3224 Жыл бұрын
Bought a 122-key IBM Model M keyboard years ago and it's been my main keyboard ever since. Buckling springs are glorious to use and it's such a massive keyboard. I absolutely love it.
@JeffDeWitt Жыл бұрын
I have two, one at home and one at work. I've gotten a lot of comments about it at work, my keyboard is older than a lot of the people I work with! And it's such a big, solid thing in a pinch it can be used as a blunt object!
@techwolflupindo Жыл бұрын
I have one given to me by my dad when he worked for IBM as a repair tech. I have some spares, but I still use the same "M" one. The PS/2 port fully supports N-key rollover, so online games where you can literally be pressing 5 keys at once for an instant when running diag and need to jump and/or change weapon.
@CronicThHempHog Жыл бұрын
I would like to suggest "AuKey" as a nicely priced mechanical keyboard maker. Pretty easy to find too. I got their KM-G12 model for $30, reg 45.
@TonytheEE Жыл бұрын
I am grateful for the key rollover review. I play Rocket League on PKB, and kickoffs use about 5-6 keys at once.
@anepmzlnmazlan9970 Жыл бұрын
i actually almost bought this keyboard thinking it is a "mechanical keyboard", back when i didnt know anything about mechanical keyboard. Thank god i found another mehcanical keyboard at that pricepoint and its a real mechanical keyboard
@anish.d Жыл бұрын
I was recently in the market for a cheap mech keyboard, and this was being promoted on Amazon. I look for reviews, and surprisingly I couldn't find any review of it from the usual cheap keeb review channels, so finally went with the redragon. After seeing this video, glad I did!
@matthewjbauer1990 Жыл бұрын
Are you in India? I wanted to specifically find this keyboard just to see a listing for it. I specifically had to go to HP India and Amazon India just to see it online. Its from the Pavilion gaming line, something we don't get in North America. Here we only get Omen or Victus (part of Omen).
@anish.d Жыл бұрын
@@matthewjbauer1990 hey, yes I'm referring to Indian Amazon here. Interesting! Pavillion isn't considered "gaming" here too, it's usually the go-to laptop range for first year college students - cheap and from a known brand
@MotorcycleRebuilds Жыл бұрын
I like really clicky keys, the razor green switches are my favorite as of right now. It because I have a huge tendency to miss click with low resistance linear switches.
@ras4209 Жыл бұрын
ive been using that havit keyboard almost 2 years.. got it when it was on sale for 38 USD .... its fine.. does the job.. better then membrane.. also i like the small form factor.. while still having the number pad
@scottylans Жыл бұрын
Linus, I'm an old guy who when I first found your channel years ago, I was like "this guy got this part wrong!" Here we are years later and now your schooling me. I never knew the term "key rollover"! Finally I know the name of what used to grind my butt playing quake or doom on particularly bad keyboards in the 90s. Thank you. Channel has come a long way.
@waveformdistortion Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite budget boards is the Adata XPG Summoner RGB line. Cringey name aside, it's a full size board with Cherry MX switches in blues, reds, or silvers, and is frequently on sale for around 60 Canuck bucks.
@Haiburidu Жыл бұрын
I got a blue switch mechanical gaming keyboard for about 40 USD. Wired, BT and 2.4GHz connectivity. No special software needed. It's an F11 from FL eSPORTS. It's a Chinese company (I think) but it works absolutely great. I honestly don't need to go searching for another keyboard since. Been using this since 2021. Works great. Sounds great (oiled or no oil). And it got a dozen light modes with various color schemes. It's legit. I've opened it and oiled the switches. Also swapped out a couple blues for Razer Green switches
@Klorel123 Жыл бұрын
you could probably do an entire channel about flase or questionsable advertising. note sure how i feel about videos like that. the buying recommendations are probably the most useful part.
@nemtudom5074 Жыл бұрын
The Q6 from Keychron is actually really nice! Its deffinitely an upgrade to standard keyboards like redragon or the glorious 1
@jako1234567890jako Жыл бұрын
I recently bought a K4 as my first proper keyboard. I cannot recommend it more. Its the size of a 80% board and is hot swappable. It fits perfectly
@handlemonium Жыл бұрын
I have a Tecware Phantom L TKL which has the slightly better Outemu low-profile browns than the equivalent Havit keyboard with low-profile Kailh switches. Best buy for a $30 tactile 👌
@nemtudom5074 Жыл бұрын
@@handlemonium Honestly, the fact that you can get a decent mechanical keyboard for so low is just shocking to me. There's absolutely no reason for membrane keyboards to even exist at this point.
@handlemonium Жыл бұрын
@@nemtudom5074 Yep and full-size Keychron C2 tactiles are going for $60-$80. My guess as to why membranes still exist is profit cuz it almost definitely costs only $10-$15 to make them but Big Tech can dish em' out en-masse for $20-$30 a pop. Sure I guess the "90% of people don't care enough about keyboard feel" argument still stands, but why reduce your bottom line when you can rake in 35-45% via membranes in profit instead of only 20-30%?
@dmitryburlakov6920 Жыл бұрын
I actually loved my Mecha-Membrane Razer Ornata. I’ve given up MX Brown, Gatheron Red and Gatheron Silver keyboards for it. But the way it’s mecha-membrane is that it had the actual metal push bar, I don’t really know how to call it properly but it was guiding the key. So it had the resistance profile similar to Blue keys, without being super noisy, had much lower profile and was not kinda swallowing down on press (I actually don’t mind rubber mushiness if done properly). It’s a bad keyboard overall but the concept made sense. This case with a spring I’m not sure it makes any sense.
@mzza Жыл бұрын
I have the logitech g413. It has "brown" switches, which I like more than linear keys especially for typing and RTS games. The keys are relatively quiet and have this muted click to them, but the aluminum frame has this annoying ringing.
@Gornius Жыл бұрын
Holy moly. I remember considering buying this for my sister as a cheap mech keyboard. Thank god reviews that said that the keys often get "stuck" made me buy another keyboard.
@kleeklor Жыл бұрын
Glad Linus recommended reddragon. I've been using their k570 for the last 7 years and it's been ne of the best keyboards I've ever owned.
@j1tapper Жыл бұрын
i sell computer products, 10% of that piece of shit stops working around 3-6 months - you got lucky, but be careful.. next time, if you can choose a "good brand"
@Liminal.Headspace Жыл бұрын
@@j1tapper I doubt it's a stroke of luck when there are so many people that swear by Redragon's durability. Most of their mice suck badly, admittedly.
@kleeklor Жыл бұрын
@@j1tapper interesting. I guess I did get lucky, but I sure am happy with this one!
@BoxChef Жыл бұрын
The Razer Ornata Chroma is a "Hybrid Mechanical" that works very similar. It's a mechanical top with membrane under. I tried it out a couple years ago when looking for keyboards, and it sounded like an interesting notion. After feeling the mechanical part's switch engage occurs, you still have to press down even further for it to contact the membrane. It has an awkwardly delayed response because of this. Typing is extremely annoying because there is a visual lag from how it actuates. Gaming is near impossible because the travel distance is deceiving with that click to finally pressing the membrane difference. 1/10 do not recommend. Only giving it the one because it was funny to see other people try to use it and notice something was off. Replaced it with something else.
@CoolJosh3k Жыл бұрын
One could say this was no surprise given Razer’s reputation.
@bbking006 Жыл бұрын
@@CoolJosh3k I have had relatively decent experiences with all of my Razer products and that includes the Blade. However, I do still remember that camera debacle.
@roundduckkira Жыл бұрын
I do think actually conceptually the Ornata is worse. It has no mechanical bits beyond the keycap having a nub that hits against a clicker that generates minimal, if any, tactility. The clicker really is just there to make noise, to give the illusion of being mechanical, that's all, the Ornatas are just rubber dome keyboards. Also, some mechanicals can use a membrane and there have been slider over dome (like Topre) and spring over membrane deaigns (like Oki switches, or even buckling springs) that did work and were still able to actuate part-way. The problem is bizarrely HP tried to mash the two together and thought they needed a dome that shouldn't been there, by having the red linear slider directly plunge into the dome instead of directly onto the membrane, making it a mushy and crappy experience. Then again spring/slider over membrane sucks for linears too due to the need to bottom out unless done intelligently. Even buckling springs only had a flipper that then hit the membrane rather than being directly over a membrane, and Topre is capactive to be able to actuate part way and has no membrane.
@CoolJosh3k Жыл бұрын
@@bbking006 Apparently some of their products are okay, but way too many that die young due to cheap internal parts. It is the kind of company that relies on marketing instead of product quality.
@bbking006 Жыл бұрын
@@CoolJosh3k Absolutely. I had to replace the bulging battery on a $4000 machine thrice in 3 years and also made 2 fan replacements. No attention or caring paid to details.
@nicholasdavidacruz Жыл бұрын
Please, compare the Razer’s Huntsman V2 and the Steelseries’ Apex, it would be nice to hear from you guys at LTT. I’ve seen many reviews out there, but your content always feels more reliable than any other tech source
@boomkruncher325zzshred5 Жыл бұрын
I chose the Logitech G413 for my dad, because the brown tactile mechanical switches are PERFECT with their high required actuating force for my dad’s Parkinson’s hands (people with Parkinson’s tend to get tics in their hands where their hands constantly flap around). He can bang on that keyboard till the cows come home, and it will take that punishment and more! And that also means he doesn’t have to worry so much about mis-typing stuff, as the higher resistance means he can press harder to press the keys down, so he doesn’t have to worry about a stray hand flap bashing a wrong key as often.
@peterpan408 Жыл бұрын
Browns are great for doing angry paperwork. Bash away as much as you like to a satisfying clicky rhythm.
@jibster5903 Жыл бұрын
Hey LTT, You were talking about Rollover in the rhythm game scene which reminded me of a very annoying fact a lot of us face, NKRO is actually bad for precisely timed inputs due to limitations in the USB-protocol causing us to prefer 6 or even 4 KRO. It's hard to find good mechanical keyboards that meet this requirement. It might make an interesting video to analyze the delays the different kinds of rollover introduce, it'd go wild in the rhythm game community if you guys did a video!
@nit-Inundate Жыл бұрын
I feel you. Even fighting games alone can infuriate anyone trying a keyboard as a controller.
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