Yup. This basically sums it up. Until that daybell guy came along and she got a new guy.

She had to get rid of him in the end because he knew too much and it could be Daybell didn't trust him.

Except autopsy showed he died of natural causes.

EXACTLY!!!!!

He killed those kids and buried them in Daybells back yard. Do you think Daybell knew??

I thought the same thing. Weird to call it that! She did a great job of just stating facts and not getting emotional though

Or a Jezebel tempting him into fornication.

@@scottsent8120 looooooooool stop

@@scottsent8120 lol bruh

@@scottsent8120 you may be technically right. Given that we now know his brain was stunted with a TBI, and he was easily manipulated by Lori, he could have had a teenage mindset responding to a promiscuous teen girl. Doesn’t excuse the act though and I sure wish his ex had said she turned him in. Could have changed the course of everything…

Sad part JJ wasn't her child. *from my understanding he was Charles nephew (husband #4)

@@tigq1430 Yes but he was adopted by Charles and, unfortunately, Lori so legally he was their kid and Tylee clearly saw him as her brother.

@MJ Remy, JJ was Kay & Larry's biological grandson. His father was Kay & Larry's son. For some reason, neither their son nor JJ's mother were in a position to take care of him, which is why he lived with the Woodcock's originally. After a while, the Woodcock's found they couldn't give JJ what he needed, possible due to his autism, and it was therefore agreed that Charles and Lori would step in and adopt him.

And that was just the tip of the iceberg evidently.

You're incorrect. Tylee had no idea what abnormal was. She grew up with her mother and all of her demons. Just look at the police video at the crime scene of her step dad ( who was the only dad she really ever knew). Her step-dad was murdered and both her and Lori essentially had no reaction. Lori has brainwashed her as well.

Agreed👌🏿

Someone normal finally

Seeing a so-called "normal" well-adjusted person IS so refreshing nowadays 😅

Really? I thought the complete opposite.

What? She is cold in talking about Alex sleeping with a 15yo, called it infidelity...

Shes lucky she got out and is alive

I think if I saw my husband acting like that with his sister my intuition would kick in too lol

yep he coated Lori in bro man milk front, back and facially

@@daveh4925 you’re sick .

Or Lori's reaction about her husband....NUTZ!!!

LDS

If he was a felon he was illegally around a firearm, and he used it. That’s crazy. So what’s the law now?

He definitely got away with a horrendous murder.

I truly believe they had evil helping them. Whether intentional or not.

So sad..

Gaslighting.

Same. The list of suspicious deaths around these creeps just keeps getting longer and longer.

Absolutely and I think Lori (through Alex) getting away with killing Joe and Charles exasperated the situation.

Just like they did with Tammy, trying to make it look natural death.

Lori and Alex are just two sick puppies! I bet Chad mad sure Alex died for it! Straddling your own brother in a sexually way is just gross!

Definitely. The first unusual death was Melani P's mum. I've always wondered if that was a natural death.

I’m sure this was all just a game to her! All of it! She just looks like a witch in that pic.

I dont think she fought for the kids but for the money she would get having full custody. She was all about the money. So sad

@@maga2042 she and alex Murdaugh would make a great pair! Both so evil!

Money

Bonnie they wanted the social security benefits. Both kids fathers died. She wanted the money but not the kids. 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 if the grandparents wanted the kids, they would be in control of the money

it is too late sadly

​@@SerenDipity64711Why?

@@almondeyez_80 his body, when found, was already decomposing. Therefore, the cause of death was undetermined. Being, Tylee's father, she got a very large settlement after his death. Money, that Lori had transferred into her own various accounts, because Tylee was under the age, to access it. Although Lori had no problem accessing the funds and blowing the lot!

​@@almondeyez_80 I believe he was cremated.

I'm sure it was before Tammys exhumation, could be wrong, I think they examined his ashes ?

I don’t think after hearing about a brother touching his sisters boobs anyone would think she was crazy

So did Lori's first two husbands. They were the lucky ones. They got out before anything crazy happened to them.

"dodged a bullet" - that's a literally perfect way to put it!

Interviewer? It's a conversation between Alex Cox's ex-wife Debbie and a detective at Chandler Police Department which she called up

@@piiamaria5841 Law enforcement conduct interviews. I would not label this a conversation. Law enforcement conduct interviews with: suspects, subjects, victims and witnesses. The "interviewer" would be the officer or detective or agent. ... So you could add to the sentence ... What a great interviewer the detective is... but for me, it doesn't seem to flow as well.

​@@nagymakaede3286 What a lovely, thoughtful reply.

Agreed. I was impressed with how calm and level-headed he seemed. She was a great witness, too, she seemed very honest and caring, despite the fact that she was an "ex" of someone who apparently cheated on her during their marriage.

@@nagymakaede3286he seems to pause when he is uncomfortable, and Debbie knows it so she is like for example... he picks her up and she wraps her legs around him, he bounces her while they make moaning noises.

Like the Manson murders. The motivation was so bizarre, who would have believed it.

I was thinking about the Alex Murdaugh case. I discovered KZfaq channel- Eric Alan. He grew up in the same area as the Murdaugh family in South Carolina and does amazing research on the case.

@@bbe3034 oh interesting, definitely will check that out, thanks 👍🏻

Ya, more like the other Mormon/FLDS murders. Unfortunately, when your faith is is built on nonsense it’s a gateway for more nonsense.

She’s not hot. She was never hot

Isn't it nice to hear from someone who did heed the warning signs!✌

Wow that lady did what everyone, female, should do or she may have been a victim

The sister had that same arrogant smirk as Lori too.

I believe she’s dissociating as a psychological coping mechanism.

She is just old.

They’re narcissists. They cared more about the family image than the health and safety of family members.

Someone in the series said people surrounding Lori and Chad didn't realize the severity of their 'sickness.' The only person who saw things as they were and was terrified of what Lori was capable of was Charles.

FOR sure...she didn't add any outlandish junk or stories that are off the charts. This woman sounds like the most reasonable person in that sicko family!

Lori’s parents spawned this mess I believe, sickos sadly, Annie said it well , She looked forward to seeing this chain broken when Tylee could legally escape her moms grip on her birthday, New York fries anyone ?

Why would she lie.

She does sound genuine. Her worry about how her own children would be raised is accurate. She is a smart woman and more women should think long term like she did.

Yes. She sounds very grounded & calm.

What about Charles Vallow? He raised children that weren’t biologically his and Tylee lies about him

@@Noneofyourbusiness57817 Right

@@Noneofyourbusiness57817 yes he did Tylee was his stepdaughter dad but JJ was his sister's grandchild,so they were related blood ties he and his wife Lori adopted him.

They haven't talked of her much at all.

Tylee had been brain washed by her mother as well. She essentially had no reaction on the crime scene of her stepfathers murder. Watch the video.

True, because almost everyone who was around Lori is dead.

​@@Gwaycee everybody who's disagreed with Lori is gone.

It's also possible all their victims might never be discovered...since we still don't know how many there really were

They got Eldon the neighbour I believe???

Yes. Tylee and Jj were missing for how long and this grandmother was not the least bit suspicious

Yesss

yup

Anyone who does their lipstick like that is a few ants short of a picnic.

@@TentinQuarantino_ lol

As so young when this all happened.

?

Loris Mom looked like she was a bit on the loose side or something, strange lady.

I agree, I thought she did really well considering the policeman wasn't giving her much.. i thought he was quite blunt .

@@-smittenkitten-1932 He seemed blunt in a professional manner to me. There was no dismissal of anything she said and he asked for details when needed. Even prefaced the "why now" question with the explanation that it's not him judging her. Maybe it's my own directness, but I don't think his behavior was off for the situation.

Just like the incredibly evil and violent Borgia family in medieval Italy...

and murdered

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@@hensonrook8674 i agree

@@hensonrook8674 easy for u to say !

😂😂

Accurate!

Oh absolutely!! The epitome of crazy here !!

Yeah not only boundaries but they had unhealthy relation ships so the rest of us see brother and sister as one way and kids is another way but they don't

Absolutely- and thank god one of the kids made it out alive.. smh poor tylee and jj all the instability & insanity at the end and isolation- that must have been so hard.

True. I remember as a child my mother telling us about what to do and what not to do around my sisters.. they even said that in danger we should be the ones to push ourselves forward in protection of our sisters.. it just baffles me how you can possibly do something like that and just go on vacation to Hawaii as if everything is fine.. felt good though to see how their face changed once they were served papers.. hopefully all of the innocent find peace ❤..

Exactly.

We all know the FBI is pretty much a farce

I watch a true crime channel called That Chapter and it's unbelievable (yet believable) how many times law enforcement is like meh, we don't need to look into THAT and the murderer literally evades them for years or sometimes decades.

Facts!!!! So awfully sad for these sweet angels

@@klm4446 Omgggggg I love “That Chapter!!”

I know right?! Where are her journals? She can prob write a book with all that info

Same. So weird.

Yep… I was thinking the exact same thing!

and Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt

Her brother was just as crazy too. The whole family is nuts, nobody gets a pass.

Promise of his life insurance!!!! Until her husband pulled a fast one and changed the beneficiary!!!!!

Oh she held his bro milk in her booty im sure

yep

🧐🤯🤢

A guy? He was her brother

@@rrksk and? There are some sick individuals in the world.

Perhaps Alex was not Lori's blood brother, and so they had a fling growing up?

@@krazyforkale it doesn’t matter?

Plus I am sure it would never have occurred to your bros. !

Lori has tasted that brother man milk i suspect in every hole as if they are doing that in front of her they had to have done stuff - crazy huh

Or something else.

Yea kinda a strange comment. I'm sure your brothers would never touch you because your their sister. Not out of fear. Not sure what to make out of you saying it like that

@@lifeisgood3589 *you're

God speaks to us, using our intuition. In my experience & opinion.

And thank gods it was before having kids with him!

Insane in the 🧠 brain!

and ABSOULTELY true!

@@heleneocleary5888 hahaha I was going to say that too 😂🤣😂

I think they ambushed him with the phone as bait.Charles was jacked and looked much stronger than his friend and family member Alex

@@littlewingmyoho probably:/ so sad

I think they killed JJ because he was a burden while Tylee knew to much and say something.

She was jealous of her own daughter. Narc mother's get that way. Once they hit teens. Just one reason

@@Soltice-ty2nf Lori also stole Tylees SS benefits

Yea, I have a brother and we fought all the time, never weirdness

When i saw her mom and her sister's interview it was before JJ Nad her sister's body was found. And I feel so weird and it was creepy. They all look and seems like crazy

​@@despicabledavidshort3806 Exactly I have brother and we fought and beat each other since we were kid. He is one year younger than me but when it comes for safety he is best brother. But I never saw this . This Lori makes me feel dizzy even her past.

Creepy.

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All of them

These two apple(s) didn’t fall far from the tree. What secrets are their Mom and dad keeping.

@@dianealarcon8304 probably SA and incest.

Lori’s mother is emotionally detached. Nothing she said was warm, not coming from tbe heart

@@manarmarzouk8595I know! Janis is very bizarre, VERY bizarre-

She was twisted and delusional… I hold the parents just as responsible

Chandler is swimming in resources from a dozen other cities in the vicinity, they should’ve done better than they did

Rwad that book "Leaving the Saints" and the practice of "abrahamic sacrifices". Chad was excomm'd twice. LORI and ALEX brought incest and murder to Cha'ds doomsday cult.

I was born and raised in SLC, Utah and can confirm that the Mormons control EVERYTHING that goes on in this state. The lawmakers, the police and even the department of alcoholic beverages services, how many licenses to serve alcohol in restaurants or bars are distributed, like the southern end of the salt lake valley where I grew up has the highest concentration of Mormons, the yuppy Mormons with money, and so many people have attempted to open bars and restaurants thta serve alcohol and none ever succeed. The Mormons are dead set on forcing their agendas and lifestyles on all residents of this state. It is complete bs. I stopped going when I was 13, caused an uproar when I asked why women aren't allowed to be bishops or give blessings or even be included in meetings or have any say whatsoever in decision making. Expected to shut up and make babies and raise those babies. Mormons are so self interested they feel the need to have tons of little carbon copies of themselves, adding to the overpopulation of this planet. It's absolutely insane. It is definitely a cult. Many crimes that happen thta involve bishops or even just LDS members, the police and Mormon owned news outlets here will bury the stories. Massive story came out thanks to SL Tribune about the church hiding billions of dollars thta the church has been stockpiling since the 70s that they claimed was for humanitarian needs, helping chugch members, etc but thya not a dime has been spent of it. On anything. Only added to. So they lied about their assets and lied about what it is being spent on, (not spent on) and how much. Just awful.

Yes that's probably true

@@xyzconsult4903 It was Alex who was excommunicated twice. Chad's sister-in-law warned the local church leaders about Chad but they did nothing.

Right! He was struggling to compute. 🤔🫢😳😬🤮

He dropped the ball big time. Those kids could have been saved had he followed up. Lazy police.

@@007Taylor This call was made months AFTER she heard the children were missing. He did not drop the ball, none of them did. She began calling the authorities in January. The children were murdered in September.

The hot incest express. With his SISTER.

Ditto

@megangambill2018 That’s not the only thing she had him wrapped around!! 😱😱😱

And Charles!

And the kids, tylee and j.j!

Amen 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 🙏🏼

A bit???

I think the same way. Soooo strange. I get a vibe of off-ness ! Just something isn’t 100% level. Yuck

Yeah. Ur so smart.

She was also gaslit and manipulated by him for years starting at a young age.

Too bad god dint step in for the kids

Cult family 🎯

married with a first cousin is not that something, they're not siblings that come from the same parents/both dad & mom

I suspect that when they were younger something happened between the two. I'm guessing an end was put to it, but the remnants were still there, he never got over it, and she used it to her full advantage!

To think if this had been taken seriously is heart breaking. Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy may still be alive, may they rest in parade 😢💔

I agree, 1000%.

And, if the police had properly investigated the death (murder) of Joseph Ryan, Charles Vallow, JJ, & Tylee would likely still be alive. I am not sure about whether Tammy Day bell would still be alive, if Chad had never met Lori. I think that Chad may have hooked up with some other psycho cult member & killed Tammy anyway. I'm certainly not *_certain_* about that, of course. However, it seems like a very realistic possibility to me.

You forget, Tylee told the police that she was afraid of Charles and got her bat. He took it from her and then, Lori ushered them out. There were no witnesses but the Police believed Tylee and they assumed Charles was the aggressor.

Hindsight is 20/20

EVERBODY DOES!!

To me he sounds concentrated, is patient and interested, proves it with his following questions. Of course he needs to be sceptical, because it's all hearsa what she's saying I think he did a good job and he knew she's serious and believable

They would've never stalled for a colored person

I think what he is doing is fact finding. Its not his job to do anything other than gather the information and ask additional questions to gleen more information. I don't think he's disbelieving anything she's saying.

@KadinetheLioness I think this has more to do with LDS Lawyers, money and the church, versus skin color.

It's actually good interviewing skills. You don't want to get emotional or excited and encourage the person to exaggerate or speculate or get excited themselves, you just want to elicit the facts and let them provide the information.

They come around my place ALL of the time but learned their lesson coming & knocking at my door because my 2 BIG dogs don't like them 😂😂😂😂

​@@jewelzlove27 For years, we'd lie and claim we were Satanists, Buddhists, etc. really anything to attempt to dissuade them from our door. One day, we found the winner- turns out, if you tell them you're devout Catholic, they'll f*** off and leave you alone for good. 🤣

@boondocksdragon8959 😆😆 yes that works wonders too hahaha

​@@boondocksdragon8959 ...which is exactly what I (finally) did. Never came back after I stated I was a Roman Catholic.