@njm3211 the incompetency of having a birthday cake and trying to lower tax respectively, the horror

​@@samc179Oh ffs lol. Johnson wasn't ousted because of a cake! And Truss's catastrophic budget nearly bankrupted us - disaster capitalism doesn't work. The tax cuts were intended only for the super wealthy, but you know that, surely.

@@samc179 Yeah it was all that simple.

@@samc179 The level of tax is far less important, than the value you receive for the tax you pay. And we are getting very little value for paying a (historically for the UK) high amount of tax.

@@samc179 Blimey those hoary old lines being trotted out again😀

Correct certain people like to skip over that fact , they choose to avoid mentioning the tory party behaviour over the past 14 years....

Partygate was a stitch up that Boris handled badly. Elements in the Civil Service that are now in the Labour Government worked with the BBC to bring Boris down because of Brexit. All Boris had to do was to admit the parties happened because he was rewarding his staff for all their hard work with the vaccine rollout and getting more PPE. You see it's the denial the lie that gets you. Boris did himself no favours aligning himself with Extinction Rebellion and Just stop oil, also picking a war with Russia was not a great idea.

They kept trying to tell journalists (and themselves?) that it was only an issue in the “Westminster” bubble

No, they only outed the leader which gave them an 80 seat majority and plunged themselves into the abyss

Agree…. I think partygate was it

The problem is that if Sunak ejected them, there wasn't anyone left to fill the gaps. Sunak even brought Boris back because even at Boris' "lowest" he wasn't as bad as Sunak, ignoring the fact that Boris put Sunak in this position in the first place. There are no leaders left in the Tory party, Labour was supposed to be rudderless for longer but the Tories have been in the wilderness for a while and will keep being there.

Correct.

I think Johnson lacked contrition because he has no conscience. I think Truss lacked contrition because sadly she is deeply mentally compromised to the point of verging on madness as Cummings observed.

@@rodbenson5879 Perfect. LOL. I think the pork markets expression is a glimpse into her soul.

It will have to be a new generation. Will they attract a new generation? Maybe thanks to Heseltine and a couple of others they will. Anyway, good riddance.

Truss and her Pork Markets era was so funny. She was on another planet.

@@Anton-ji4td From another planet more like.

Truss getting to that level shows that dafties can become PM, its a sham.

And cheese 🧀

@@Anton-ji4td Planet Tufton to be precise.

add "high-handedness" and "entitlement" and "indifference to voters other than the rich"

And yet 24% of people who voted thought it was OK to vote for this party.l suspect these same people would have very strong views about people who committed crimes against them but are happy to vote for those who have effectively mugged the country.lf you evade avoid your taxes you have a direct responsibility for why people cannot be treated in hospital etc etc.

HA HA HA HA HA and the Unions who pay for the Labour MPs are as corrupt weasels.

Probably tending to Ritchie Rich's peonies.

It was designed to stop votes hemmoraging to Reform and not intended to win support from the wider (younger) electorate. It is astonishing the Tories tried only to appeal to the old and right and gave up the centre ground. And they are going to continue doing it.

Yeah a real shocker that young people weren't turning out in droves to vote for that 😂

Actually when the policy was explained properly and it was made clear it wasn't mandatory I didn't actually detect much hostility to it. It didn't affect tory support or lack of it in any obvious way.

Imagine having teenage children and the sitting government announce that policy.

He was an embarrassment to the British people. Someone please show him how to brush one's hair.

Completely dishonest and immoral as well.

He was a dodgy donor magnet.

What’s the betting Boris cheated on all his exams when he was a schoolboy

@@laurenceseale Boris's own brother & fellow Tory M.P. on Boris's election as Tory leader " That's it I'm done I'm outta here" & promptly resigned as M.P. his own brother as a warning that should have spoken volumes

We'll get more of the same from Labour, country doesn't learn lol

As If Starmer's Labour give a toss about you. You people are so easy to deceive.

​@@neillawonly 4% of the new cabinet went to posh schools...already a great start !!!!

@@frankgreen1663 who cares? It's the policies and agendas that matter! Labour have confirmed they are keeping tax thresholds frozen until 2028, that's an immediate impact on the working class of this country, same as Tories and it's just the start 🤦‍♂️

I saw a meme where Starmer is with Sunak laughing and he has a speech bubble saying "so, then I said it was time for change and they fell for it again!"

You’ve got the numbers wrong for a start - the Tories got 10.7m and Labour got 8.6m in 2010

Right? At least you've got competence coming in. Meanwhile, we Americans are facing a choice between the frail and the felonious.

​@@guydreamr That makes your choice simple.

The US has all the West's tech industries and so has real economic growth, fracks and so became energy independent and is also food independent. Newsflash, the UK is in terminal decline, not even a smidgen of serious intellect or intelligence near political power to halt or reserve that.

True. As an Australian watching from afar, I was extremely impressed with the grace and civility of the election proceedings on the whole. Some excellent concession speeches by defeated Tories, and the democratic conventions being respected (the crowd reaction to Jess Phillips' win being an exception). Even Liz Truss, who likely had to be cajoled to appear on stage after discovering she lost, shook her opponent's hand and accepted the result. America, on the other hand, appears broken. And if Trump isn't beaten, and the sycophants who excused his behaviours are rewarded, I see no hope for them recovering the respect of the free world any time soon.

@@guydreamrI’d choose the frail any day. You don’t want a mad dictator in office! That man is the most despicable being!

I agree....a little annoying !

It' so dumb

I wonder why billionaire news media owners would support the tories. I just can't understand why.

@@JohnPark-xf2gq And the hedge fund guy who keeps GB News afloat. What possible motivation could he have?

I think he was more decent than his predecessors no one could have saved them from losing

​@@deepblack2193 Sunak is far from decent. He has zero interest in the people of the UK, has no backbone, doesn't have what it takes to be PM & wanted the job just to trouser millions of our tax money.

Sunak said he was going to bring back trust and then put leaky Sue in the cabinet. He had his chance and blew it.

He did not understand what truth was.

Following Boris & Truss Sunak was sunk before he started as indeed pretty well any one else would be. Parading Boris just before election really was electoral suicide. Boris really outta have been hidden in Outer Mongolia​@deepblack2193

They didn't. They held their nose and stayed hone, claiming that all politics is rotten. Labour did not attempt to to win them round. They just didn't say anything that would frighten them to voting the only way they will ever vote.

@@ricmorris9758 Voted Reform, knowing it would put Labour in office for the next few years but needing to punish the Tories for their betrayal of their electoral mandate

I am a swifty.read most of his books.we are talking about Jonathan swift.

@@ricmorris9758 The bottom line being that the Tories made themselves unelectable. Even to their voting base. I don't know why anyone voted Conservative last week. Their record speaks for itself.

The country voted for Brexit and Labour backed it. Cameron campaigned for Remain. It wasn't really a Tory policy in the typical sense. It was not a policy until the country voted Leave.

I would agree as we lost more than we gained.

What do you personally think is different since Brexit? Not noticed any difference..

​@@Zaphod-ef9yz how's life for you in the alternative universe that you exist in.

@JohnPark-xf2gq just fine I guess, I wasn't expecting an actual answer

Just when you think they can't go any lower...

Wouldn't that be the brunt of reduced spending?

Pity Stride kept his seat,horible man

Given that the Tories started hammering the disabled from the moment they got into power, I dinnae think most of England cared.

Suggesting they should be given vouchers in place of cash was completely despicable.

Reform, or whatever they call themselves next time, have a lot of electoral currency without actually winning seats. Consider if they'd done a deal with the Tories for policies in exchange for not putting Reform candidates against leading Tory opposition. Expect them to try to exploit this next election.

They have now 👍👍

True, Labour have been crippled by the Green Party and LibDems for decades. Also the SNP changed their chances for years.

@@Chalisque was thinking the same ........!

Was it the charge of the hate brigade.

There's just too many scandals to pick from.

Well that's the point really. If you are a middle class pensioner then it's not like you are ever going to need a foodbank, or be stuck on Universal credit getting sanction after sanction because your childcare provider keeps letting you down and getting you fired. Not being able to be with your very elderly mother at her last Christmas, having to attend her funeral on Zoom, and then finding out they were all ignoring the rules behind closed doors is finally going to be a real wake up to what the rest of all already knew.

Correct it's obvious the real labour support would be 38-40%

Ditto here in Folkestone. First non-blue MP since its creation as a constituency in 1950. I'm in a very happy place, right now.

The longest Muppet Show in history.

But at least you can laugh at the muppets.kermit farage and miss piggy braverman I don't find funny at all.

For me the fact that both Labour and Lib Dems had the brains and skills to be able to organise such targeted campaigns negates all these arguments about percentages. What's also a bit silly is if this result were the other way round no one would be picking apart the percentages, the right would be out parting in the street holding up the most obnoxious headlines you've ever seen in your life.

Why not Reform?

So you're the person who voted for Starmer. Starmer got less votes than Jeremy Corbyn did in 2019.

Starmer has already gone on record aiming to pledge our support to the EU, has had nothing of relevance to say about immigration which is the root cause of the NHS’s current struggle, and to top it off won’t say what a woman is so as not to offend the mentally ill. You voted for a clown in red rather than a clown in blue

why the F. didn't you vote for Reform. If you want change you have to vote for change.

I too was lifelong Tory but couldn’t vote for either Boris or Corbyn in 2019. The Tories’ behaviour since 2019 means I will never vote for them again.

Indeed. If Labour don't perform the far right and the carnage that would ensue is almost inevitable.

@@user-be2il8wu6sit is practically inevitable. Labour could do the best job ever, still everything is completely stacked against them.

From Reform? I can't see their support growing much over the next five years. The country will obviously judge Labour on what they deliver. But the people of Clacton will also get to see what Farage actually does for them. Wanging on about small boats will keep a few happy, but it won't improve anything.

Ha , ha . Very funny . The British not fools : very droll . They voted in Boris didn’t they; they voted for Brexit . How’s that for stupidity . Now they’ve voted themselves some utter misery . It will be interesting to see what you have to say about Starmer and his cronies a year from now . Don’t go thinking it’s getting better; it’s getting worse

It's been like this for far too long. And the Tories never complained when the system kept them in power. They just made themselves unelectable this time and Labour played a perfect strategy. PR is not perfect either, but it would stop one party getting disproportionate power in Westminster. i doubt we would have had Brexit with PR.

@@Geffo555 The Tories won an overall majority of 12 in 2015 with 37% of the vote, Labour won an overall majority of 66 in 2005, with 36% of the vote.

@@paultaylor7082 And? This is just a near inevitable consequence of FPTP. It's a bit like the popular vote in America. Hilary won most most votes in 2016, but Trump won the Electoral College. The Conservatives have still won more elections that Labour. They only get booted out when they are so bad that no amount of propaganda can save them.

Being a conservative I thought Boris so appalling I voted for Corbyn in the previous election. Did I hope Boris would die when he got Covid ? You bet I did .

Johnson, of course

Why should we "give it a f rest about Tories"? They'rethe official oppsition, quite liable to regain power at some point with or without their Rightist brothers in Reform. I strongly favour some more proportional electoral system, so that the main strands of political opinion can be represented in parliament by separate parties, which them work out how to cooperate to give us governments backed by a majority of the electorate. I'm delighted to see Labour taking over but total power for five years on 34% of the vote? Surely we can all see that that's very shaky democracy.

@@carelgoodheir692 I agree we need PR now and then Reform would have a fighting chance of atleast 6 MPs 😂, I think the Tory bashing will end after Labour are thoroughly bedded in , they have some good policies but unfortunately no money

121 not 131

More Tory tears

Look at labour where they won their seats and look at the margin over 2nd in those seats. Labour might have 400+ seats but in reality, they are on a knife's edge, hopefully in 5 years, Keir improve their standing cause it means we are heading in the right direction.

Nonsense, almost everyone I spoke to, who actually vote, said they didn’t really want any of the main stream parties but definitely didn’t want the Tories. The biggest winner of the night by a actual landslide was ‘None of the above!’

@@badgoogle9938Look at Labour’s tactics - they targeted their efforts into seats that were marginal. They didn’t do very much in their safe seats. That is why the margins were small. That’s just how FPTP works, and for once Labour played it to their advantage, and that’s why they got such a majority. It is not a knife edge - provided they follow through with some sensible governance.

@@badgoogle9938 Reality is brutal, cry me a river!

Of those who voted. Turnout was 60%

It's the former, in 1997 Tony Blair's New Labour landslide got just 25% of those that could have voted.

This system is not democracy.

Only those who voted which was about 55% of registered voters. It was a low turnout. So out of the 41million registered voters 34% drop to about 18%

People who choose not to vote are stating they are irrelevant.