They don't ever deserve to comeback, the betrayal was too great and unforgivable.

or they could just go away, and people could vote for politicians who haven't already betrayed them. is there a reason we need the tory party?

Let’s hope they never come back. Since Thatcher, all they want to do is take money away from vulnerable people and give it to the rich.

The Tories don't deserve a comeback. But they didn't betray anyone. They behaved exatly as advertised. If you voted for Boris Johnson after he spent 20 years telling you exactly who he is and then and pulled a surprise pikachu face when you found out he was throwing parties in no. 10 while people were dying alone in hospitals on respirators you need to never vote again because you are not a functioning adult and your brain is stupid.

Correct the Moggs are out and the Cameron’s are still in 🤷‍♂️👉

The Torys are the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

The problem is they followed the policies you supported, but they were all moronic. So you have rivers filled with poo because they did what you wanted and privatized the water, you have high interest rates because they supoorted your radical tax cut agenda. Your ideas are just very, very stupid. But I know you won't ever take responsibility. That is the hallmark of the modern conservative. NEVER take responsibility for your own failures.

Brexit was rubbish and they messed up everything else

Yup, & it's even worse now after the election, there are a lot of Conservative MP's that survived who might as well be Lib Dems !

Light years away from their party members as well. I'd love to know why those members keep paying and working for them.

Nothing new they never have done

That’s just not true. That would mean no voting.

Then why isn't Jezza PM right now?

@@Warriorcats64 Because his manifesto was batshit crazy.

​@@Warriorcats64 Corbyn is a communist who supported islamic extremist groups and told students to vote twice ( break the law) Great escape for Britain when he was gotten rid of as Labour leader.

Why would they be? Capitalists are always up for a bit of wage repression and debt-based growth. Can't have it both ways, chap.

@@RunOfTheHind The hell you can't.

@@RunOfTheHind As if leftists are opposed to immigration. I guess we'll just have to become fascists.

@@mr2981 Find me the boss of a corporation that would want to pay his staff a lot more due to full employment then, please. Supply and demand. 1st rule.

@@RunOfTheHind strangely enough, that also seems to be the reasoning of the neo communists. Guess they're the now the neo capitalists. Great job pulling the wool over everybody's eyes though.

Everyone is a foreigner just depending on where one is at any given time. When you realise that you'll be wiser.

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722 probably one of the most ridiculous comment ever made.

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722 my part of London was almost all White when I was a kid. Its collapsed into a violent part of Africa. Everyone I knew as a child has fled to Essex. Quick reminder that there is no upper limit to diversity. You'll just be endlessly told things are too White until you wake up one day to something between Mogadishu and Karachi.

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722 start learning Arabic.

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722🤡

And there you have it. They,re only interested in themselves and their own little world, not to mention the fact that she,s being extremely ignorant.

@@jonnyconcrete1406 Katy Balls is Yvette Coopers Daughter. Say no more..

She's clearly taking notes of the questions!

she was researching on google/ other sites because she needed some data to back up a response.

@@BrianMartin-ox2ru not true! 🙄

Incompetence, corruption and confusion. They did surprisingly well in the election.

Except maybe let them fight over the rubble that they're responsible for, as long as they're away from the levers of power!

WAIT for the next few years to see a real sh1t show

Fourteen years of incompetence, as the media and talking heads agree. Or fourteen years of deliberate mismanagement on behalf of their masters?

@@cs-su9ko can hardly be any worse.

Hello1956. And you wonder why no body under the age of 45 votes Tory ... madness.

It was all inevitable when the USA left the gold standard in 1971. Not much any British government can do about it. It's a game of pass the parcel between governments until the current fiat currency system collapses. Using the banking system as a tool for sanctions is accelerating the process

Poor??? What with houses at £400k and this wealth being inherited as the rellys die off. Not much incentive to work for many who get this wealth.

They pander to the establishment money and the extreme rich. It's not conservatism.

And both parents, (or a young couple), have to work simply to pay the rent to a multi-property landlord who can issue a Section 21 on them at any time simply to excessively raise the rent.

Exactly - the Tories lost because they governed and campaigned as a centre-left party... And the (ostensibly) alternative was another centre-left party without as recent a record of incompetence - we're already seeing Labour position itself more leftwards than it pretended to be, but that was to be expected. The Tories lost centre-right votes to Reform because Reform being right wing (not far right) offered something closer to centre-right than the centre-left Tory party did.

The election was engineered by the media and the money. For example the ridiculous amount of coverage Nigel 'boring' Farage had compared to the zero coverage of the independent candidates like George Galloway, who was an actual elected MP. The Labour government now is no change to the status quo. The people were conned again with sweet lies. As they say if voting really worked they wouldn't allow us to do it. The true enemy of this country are the likes of Mogg and his cronies. Desperate people in boats aren't the enemy their being used as a weapon to fool the people and take the spot light off the true enemy wealth and Zionism.

Very true Reform 4 M votes 5 MP's Lib Dms 2.5 M votes 71 MP's. something wrong somewhere.

The Tories didn't lose centre-right votes to Reform. Only hard-right / staunch Brexit votes. As Michael Portillo said way back during the bLiar years, just because Labour has shifted to the right, doesn't mean the Tories have to lurch further to the right. You cannot out-Reform Reform. The future for the Conservatives is as a competent centre-Right party.

@@HIK_48 I believe that Portillo got it wrong, Blair did not shift to the right in any way, what happened was the Conservatives moved to the left, to the extent that now both Labour and the Conservatives are two cheeks of the same arse. Which is why Sunak was congratulating Starmer like a brother after the latter’s win, policy wise there is little difference. The Conservatives need to turn the clock back to when they were actually a Conservative Party. They can make a start by ditching the wets like Cameron and his ilk.

This is antisemitic.

I think that guy had decided they were being complacent on the panel before he'd walked in the room.

He doesn't understand free markets are overtly anti small c conservative. The Torys are the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

Torys are just the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

Absolutely.JRM is an honest man with integrity & a good historian & Parliamentarian. I hope he comes back stronger & can influence his daft Party

​@@telephassarose3501 You're having a laugh, JRM talks a good game and then sits there twiddling his thumbs when it comes to action. He's delusional, that's why he lost his seat. People said very clearly NO MORE MOGG.

Like who? Farage? He's jumped ship more times than immigrants coming in

@@gibbo822 Jumped ship? He spent 25 years of his life campaigning for us to get out of the EU. His mistake was trusting that the Tories and MPs in Parliament, all of whom had pledged to uphold the referendum vote, would actually keep their word when we voted to leave. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, he started up the Brexit Party and just three months later, in May 2019, led the biggest single party in the EU Parliament. Then in December 2019 Johnson and the Tories double crossed him again. Now he's come back to make sure the establishment don't ruin us completely. I don't think that is jumping ship at all.

@@gibbo822 Uh? wtf are you talking about? Twenty years championing unpopular causes and steering them to successes that no one thought possible. Some ship jumper

@@1606michael how many parties has he ran for? 3 jumping ship I'd say he even attempted to hijack Sunak hence the early election

@@1606michael Reform managed 2% more votes than Ukip in 2015, not really a success is it...

Sooooo the solution is less key workers, more environmental damage, and less public services... Basically, this childish nonsense is why the UK is on it's way to being a 3rd world country.

Centre ground maybe.

Their focus on immigration is also pure racism.

None happened in the 14 years of Tory.

@@gabrielc1989w The welfare reform they were talking about cut billions in welfare, and has created mass child poverty in the UK. That`s nothing to brag about. I was actually surprised to see Jacob Rees-Mogg bring it up as one of the highlights of the Tory years.

Yes, he would be perfectly at home in the party of grifters.

​​@@mmaximk grifters don't join small parties. Farage spent 20 years knocking on doors up and down the country. Left a well paid job in the City.

@@mmaximk Grifters are the ones who actually hold power and use it to squeeze money out.

He may well still do so

@@mmaximk The grifters are all in the Labour party.

Correct. Going by the numbers it's been nothing but a financial burden. Turns out importing unskilled people from the 3rd world by the hundreds of thousands leads to nothing but more welfare payments and a shortage of housing. Just compare the ONS data map for immigrant demographics against people who've never worked a day in their life here...

One reason for that was the complete failure to process immigration and asylum claims by the Tory government. We’ve had the bizarre situation of these people piling up in hotels, costing us a fortune when they could have been, and indeed they want to be, active in the economy, earning money, settling down, paying taxes.

Exactly, Sven. The mass immigration we are seeing is a Ponzi scheme. The CINO Tories like it as it creates an underclass of cheap labour for their chums, the Left love it because, they think the immigrants are going to vote for them.

@@Knappa22 Sorry that’s complete nonsense. Most of them broke into the country illegally and so don’t deserve to rewarded with residency, housing and an income which will only incentivize more to come. Deporting them would solve the problem much faster. Most of the claims are unverifiable and fraudulent, the asylum system is now a well known scam where illegal immigrants just make up any story and get in anyway. The problem with the asylum system is that it enables this, rather than immediately deporting those whose claims can’t be verified which a common sense system would do. Finally most people claiming asylum are from Asia/Africa and are completely unskilled. If let in they will just go on welfare, deal drugs, or (best case scenario) take low-income jobs and drag down the wages for British workers in those fields even more. To say nothing of the fact that this a country, not an “economic-zone”, and the native population don’t want even more of their country to become foreign to them.

Poorly managed immigration certainly not. Properly managed immigration and a policy of integration and fairness absolutely does.

PPE contracts to friends isn't incompetence. It's corruption.

The public didn’t believe them because they not only “didn’t listen” they did the reverse of what they were told, consistently, repeatedly and without fail. Out and stay out.

If the Tories are as London-centric as you say, then they, or Reform need more candidates from not London. I'm an American, and we do have politicians 'flown in' to places to run. But I think it happens far less than in the U.K.

Blue and Red are both tared with the same brush 🧹 🧹 so don’t expect change from Labour just worst to come the final nail in the coffin ⚰️ it will be worse 😮 Starmer more interested in WEF AND WHO THIS IS A DISASTER WE DON’T WANT

Blue and Red are both tared with the same brush 🧹 🧹 so don’t expect change from Labour just worst to come the final nail in the coffin ⚰️ it will be worse 😮 Starmer more interested in WEF AND WHO THIS IS A DISASTER WE DON’T WANT

@@DeanP111 Not all of you are Tories, many of you are Labour voters or people who would never have voted blue.

@@clivejungle6999 I said a lot of us (of those who did) would never vote Tory again… I really shouldn’t need to specify that, it really is a given

@@DeanP111 You people are fickle and at some point Farage will say something that only aligns with your views 98.7% and you will dump him, too.

@@clivejungle6999 I’m not arguing your beliefs

@@clivejungle6999 No - *Its a question of balance* There are yahoos supporting Reform who I suspect have a tatoo of Donald Trump on their jacksie. But I know from conversation with others many voted Reform as the only plausible counter to open immigration policies whilst outraged at Farage's quasi-Trump, pro-Putin 'make Ukraine surrender' view

I think he means, HIS truth and not the party line.

NONE of them do! of any party - Don't you understand that? Tells us everything we need to know about your grasp of politics.

Ever heard of Whips?

This kind of comment is made by those who have no understanding of the history of the British conservative party.

No, your comment is reflective of those who don’t understand what right-wing actually is. This country is so far-left it now thinks that “centre-right” is just “the right”. Conservatives need to move back to “the right”.

@@bganonimouse2754 No, he's correct. I'm a left of centre person who always votes Green or Labour, and it's been horrifying to watch the Tories pander to and move towards the far right in recent years. It's all been an obvious effort to win back the voters they were losing to UKIP and now Reform, but they could never out-Farage Farage. Instead of chasing the far right minority, they should have stuck to their fiscally and socially conservative right of centre roots.

@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I think you've misunderstood something here. I've heard the refrain of conservatives not being conservative any more used by far right conservatives, claiming the party is too liberal. Thus they abandon ship to Reform where you get supposed "real" conservatism. You seem to be suggesting that moderate conservatives are saying this. I don't think so, moderate conservatives would say that its not a broad church any more, its not one nation enough etc. They would not usually say the conservatives are not conservative enough.

@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human the " far right " is just everything you don't agree with , can you even define it ?

It's no good speaking your mind in Parliament unless the PM (and the civil servants) agree with you.

You clearly don't know about the principle in this country of collective responsibility used by all parties.

This panel have no idea what it is like to be in the bottom 40% of the population.

Suella did try to speak her mind but no-one would listen.

Those that did try, we all know what happened to them, they were fired form them cabinet roll. I like Jacob, Suella and Priti Patel, Lee Anderson, Ann Widdecome they all tried. If you ask me, its those that got rid of them that are the problem in the Tories.

Yea but he is a parvenu

@@phillipsugwas - unlike you!!!

Was it people just not showing up to vote?

Labour will have a larger vote share next time.

​@@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qgand that crowd ain't getting younger

Absolutely, Tory arrogance and incompetence lost them this election. They were just as arrogant and incompetent that last time around but the British electorate are so stupid they voted for a charismatic, lying idiot, Uncle Boris. Labour will be just as incompetent, but in a more caring way. The end is neigh. 🤭

@@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg in part

Biggest Shock I ever got was Jacob Walking down King Street in South Shields an ex mining and fishing town asking people about voting Conservative thinking he may have the Youth vote in the Labour Stronghold The Honourable Gentleman for the 19th Century was basically told to Sod off by some of the older ex Pitmen

But he was one of the driving forces behind those Tories…

Mogg is history.

He's Blair from Wish at best. Cameron was Blair MK II.

He hasn’t got the guile of Blair. Starmer is a puppet. It is obvious as to how Blair has suddenly re-emerged that he starts voicing himself in the media again, that he has an agenda.

​@@danielearley5062 Cameron was the politician Blair pretended to be... Without the revolutionary constitutional impact below the veneer. Starmer being much further left than he wants to appear (like Blair) is much more likely than Cameron to engage in significant meddling that will hamper future governments (as the supreme court, ifs and independent bank of England have).

Yes 😅😅😅😅😅😅

Which country of the UK would that be then?

​@@jackn4853The United KINGDOM is a sovereign country in itself so I'd assume he's referring to it in its entirety.

What was Brexit then? Never really be told what it was

Brexit was always a con job and who better than promise the undeliverable than Greasy-Smug and the crew

@@jonchess8844 Leaving the EU and its institutions. The media want you to believe you didn't know this by calling it names. But the question was simple and there was around 36 weeks of campaigning telling you what it was, thousands of hours of debates, and a couple of live national tv question and answer times per week leading up to it. This is not even getting into the millions or more articles, "tweets" and videos on the matter during it. We did know what we were voting for. The problem is our govt have never been in a job where they negotiate high-risk things. One of those things was that we never did the simplest points to gain leverage and that was to say No deal and go to the WTO unless you give us this (and list it all out). And if they kept saying no, like they did, you call their bluff. They would be begging us for a bilateral deal by the end of 2017.

@@seniorslaphead8336 Because everyone with any sense knew it would be a disaster.

The actual left was never in favour of the EU, neither was the actual right. The EU is universally hated by anyone with any sort of conviction.

Agree. Just a shame he cannot detox from the disastrous Johnson time.

I think we should put minor differences aside and look at the real threats to the UK and democracy. Check out, if you want, Whitney Webb. ❤

You are glad you voted for the clown who is responsible for the mess we are in?

​@@user-zu1id3yp2d unfortunately Globalisation destroyed the nation state democracy decades ago.

@@froggiewrench1 More people would have voted Tories if Boris was still PM.

your 3 points are all far too late RIP UK

Everyone coming in droves while empty pylon’s vaguely murmur and squeak about “points” isn’t much of a policy. It’s literally nothing. Labeling it with a direction matters not. It’s still nothing, the inflow was however quite something.

The problem is mass immigration has happened. And mass expulsion won't happen. So, the far left has gotten their way. And, we know that the far left's ways destroys countries. RIP UK indeed.

The Tories decided in 2011 to have immigration at 7 millions by 2021 and that figure was exceeded by the right wing Tory government.

​@@Jocular-mt3jbdude, the conservatives haven't been right wing since the 80s. Which is why they've been implementing left wing policies. Stop looking at what they say and look at what they DO.

I thought it was.

The Conservatives are the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

They all act improperly look at the number of Labour MPs in the dock that does not get reported by media esp if they are Asian ,media are only interested in attacking what they call far right which are just Conservatives

Brexit itself was anti-Conservative and would never work. Conservatives love money and want as much free trade as possible, the EU brought that. The Tory MPs who backed Brexit did so for their own political gain.

We left the EU with the hardest Brexit possible, no single market retention, no customs union. You're witnessing the results of the public getting exactly what they wanted.

@@gordonstrong5232 There never was such a thing as a 'soft' or 'hard' Brexit. You're either a member of the EU or you are not. What was called a 'soft' Brexit (a term invented to confuse the issue) was in fact continued membership but with lower status. As for results, much has happened since we left that was unpredictable - known unknowns - that have had a big impact on our economy. It is impossible to disentangle them from the effect of leaving the EU. One fact remains, however, that the decision to leave was not an economic one. In the worsening situation that Europe finds itself in, we do at least have control over what we do and are no longer at the mercy of a centralised, undemocratic empire-building bureaucracy.

@@gordonstrong5232 don’t be ridiculous. Bias much?

@@gordonstrong5232 Still constrained by the ECHH, which apparently is hindering attempts at stopping mass illegal immigration. Imagine that, a court of law encouraging illegal activity.

At least one person here understands the futility of this discourse. We didn't leave the EU, we pledged more allegiance to it and with fewer safeguards. All our heads of state including our own 'king' are part of a deeply dark economic ideology. To consider we still live in a democracy is complete blindness and ignorance on part of all voters, left or right. They/We have all been lied to and gaslit on massive scale... Not even including all the war crimes and crimes against humanity that both parties have been involved in since 9/11 onwards. It's like people haven't even fully understood what's happened, not only in events around WW2, but everything since then. There is no democracy anymore, and infact there never was, it was all smoke and mirrors to give people the illusion of choice whilst keeping them spearated and ignorant to the true wheels of power and control in the world.

shifty starmer will just do as he's told, nothing but a puppet...

Stuffing the cake with more and more flour doesn't not make for a tastier cake. It just makes a bigger, more claggy mess.

She was a staunch Remoaner. Just a random who pops up when there is a specific agenda.

To be fair to the current Labour party, their declared measure of success in achieving this growth is GDP per capita, not overall GDP growth, for that very reason. From the outset they're aiming to grow the economy without simply pumping the gas on more migration. So while it may have been Tory policy for 14 years, it's premature to level that accusation at Labour.

@@MidnightSouls Premature? It was pioneered in Britain by Blair. I haven't the slightest faith in what Labour says they are aiming at, whatever it is.

@@mr2981 1997 was a long time ago.

I'm not.

The PPE issue was forced by Keir starmer and the media fear mongering

I remember at least one company offered to make PPE and was turned down and maybe Dyson not sure offered to make incubators but I think was turned down , I do know that the government were paying £1 million a month on storage for all the useless PPE that arrived not fit for purpose !

Manufacturing may be hallowed, but it has been hollowed out.

The problem is that will increase the cost of imported products significantly, and since almost everything we buy is imported, that would mean the average consumer has to spend a lot more money. We have seen how badly the country has been rocked by inflation, so imagine further inflation due to tariffs? This would also reduce demand, which means the imported goods would not sell very well. If we combine this with the higher costs due to tariffs, many foreign suppliers may decide to stop supplying the UK all together, especially since the UK is not that big of a market globally anyway. At this point, we would be looking at shortages of products similar to what people experienced in Cuba or in the Soviet Union. With regard to tariffs protecting our domestic industry, the data suggests our manufacturing sector has collapsed so badly that the difference in cost between UK goods and foreign goods is so massive, that it would be an enormous tariff required to balance the difference. Not 10% like Trump suggested in America, we would be looking at potentially 40% or more depending on the industry. That’s how cheap it is in China, India, Bangladesh etc where there are virtually zero environmental or employment regulations. The best option for the UK is to use our technological advantage and leverage that to support manufacturing. We are one of the few countries in the world with expertise in advanced robotics, computer chip technology etc. It would make more sense for the UK to go down the same route as Taiwan and South Korea, where they have a booming industry in electronic components (Samsung and TSMC), as opposed to heavy industry or raw materials manufacturing like China. Additionally, the UK is one of the few countries in the world with significant natural gas reserves AND nuclear power capabilities. Long term, moving towards nuclear energy would make UK energy very cheap and prevent any need for foreign energy reliance, or reliance on international energy prices (such as when the Ukraine War caused global oil and gas prices to rise, which then impacted UK gas prices). We know that electronics and manufacturing (especially AI and server farms) need massive amounts of energy. If the UK could get into the position of being a net energy exporter through nuclear energy and gas drilling/fracking, that would make domestic manufacturing competitive and massively reduce energy bills. The only problem with this is convincing climate activists and liberals that nuclear energy is indeed eco-friendly, and that drilling/fracking for gas is in our interest, despite it being a fossil fuel. Unfortunately the climate policies are holding the UK back when China, India etc don’t hold themselves to the same standards. The only sustainable energy source we have to compete is nuclear, but somehow climate activists hate nuclear energy.

​@@richardallen503There were many companies that wanted to make PPE. There were factories in Leicester telling the government they could start immediately, but the government were not interested. Was it because these businesses didn't belong to friends or family? Didn't they put an hotelier in charge of PPE? A man, I assume, with no experience of PPE. Who was it who spent millions on PPE that wasn't fit for purpose?

@@alexanderforbes5125 When the 19th Century comes around again.

​@@pollyannakarinaAfter 2032 then😊

@@alexanderforbes5125 Nelson is a Labour luvvie? 🤣🤣🤣

@@thevale2456 yeah if Nelson is a Labour lovie then Keir is the reincarnation of Marx

I Wonder why jrm Kemi and suella are still in the Tories. They should just go to reform

Party before country.

I am presuming you mean the UK given there are three other countries to be considered.

No he wasn't go watch everything he says he's loyal by fault because he doesn't believe in votes of no confidence as often as they are!! The man is 100% right!

Exactly!

@MH-qy5hh yep I like him but its time to grow a pair

No…he’s one of the few decent ones.

He made the case for change many times on his evening show.

Calling former staffer in the middle of the night asking for money from the Bad People, Giving numbers of other MPs while being blackmailed, lies at partygate...

This is like asking a Fox what went wrong in the Hen House…

Yeah you are right nowadays mp looking after there own pockets then ordering people. Just serve the master job is done.

The Rees-Mogg family have been signed up to a Reality TV program.

@@neil492 More of the same.

What madness is that?

If it’s so easy, I suggest you become an MP and sort us all out. It’s easier standing outside, telling others what they should do, than it is to be ‘inside’ faced with the innumerable complexities around every issue.

@@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 They would not be allowed to get through the selection process for not having the Bought and Paid for view's.

@@nikkiparksy I’m sorry but I don’t know what you are talking about.

@@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 That is the problem isn't it ,you are probably not aware how thing's are run in this country anymore and that is by design. If you can you will find that over half the population have been locked out of getting Job's in Politic's or State funded Quango's etc .

@@nikkiparksy well, perhaps you would point me in the direction of the information, and statistics which bears this out. Unless, of course, it is just heresay.

Yup, this election and what happened after Oct 7th is the sign that politicised Islam is the biggest threat to the UK.

Yes and that was one thing the tories lacked the guts to even talk about never mind 'tackle'

Islamic immigration is just a SYMPTOM of our financial and banking system that loves millions and millions of cheap workers.

That's what Brexit was about, it never got implemented.

Serious question. Where are people getting the idea that Islam is taking over Britain. Is it from some statistic that came out about religion? Is it about immigration rates from certain countries? Or is it something you're seeing on social media. I keep seeing and hearing this from people and they seem to say exactly the same thing, as though they're quoting something or someone.

That depends wholly on whether he has anything to feel ashamed about.

Jacob was saying for some time the Tories needed to change direction. He was a Brexiteer for goodness sake. What more can one man do?

Prickly! J R-M has contributed to so much damage to this country he doesn't deserve to be called anything else. PS: the applause was for all of it.

Unsure if the point could be heard through all the labeling and opinion surrounding it.

*Had I seen this first and been in his constituency I would have voted for Moggy* but As for the CINO Tory party as a whole......... Having been profoundly betrayed by their lies & deceits it genuinely baffles me how ANYONE can still support them

Likewise. Labour aren't the centre-left party they pretend to be, but I couldn't in good conscience vote for the actual centre-left Tory party when it coupled that position with rank incompetence. Reform might be to the right of me (whilst not "far-right", IMHO) but they're closer to centre-right voters like me than the centre-left Tories are.

So sad.

In other words they lack any passion to fix the problems of the country. This is why we are where we are. They couldn’t give a sh*t. Dispassionate, uninterested tools.

How about recovering from the economic death of closing all the hairdressers down, and the coffee shops, restaurants, and all other small businesses down for 2 years?!!! Insanity! Why aren’t we talking about that one? Let alone printing money to pay people to not work!! 😡

@@somethingintheair5373 :wry grin: Well one was a mistake and the other was deliberate sabotage. Or maybe both were? After all the 'liberation' of capital to flow around the globe without restriction is what actually caused all our current economic woes.

Exactly. You cannot build a thriving economy without a healthy industrial powerbase.

I’d say JRM was/is the least whipped!!

@ldevon2318 What did he do in power but be a mouthpiece and cheerleader?

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 what do you mean when you say ‘in power’? Do we want people who live out small-c values at the table or not?

@ldevon2318 Fux sake. Work it out! JRM had excuses at the ready for the Tories' failings 24/7.. He could have done more in government to push back. A lot more!

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 I agree he could have done more. I still think he’s one of the least whipped and i’d still like him at the table.

@@declanstewart5690 timidity and spinelessness are not good traits, particularly when one has great responsibility.

Whether it's right or wrong and you agree with it or not, politicians who align with a political party understand the importance of party unity. He's been a backbencher for a while now and it's clear he lost faith in cabinets ability to preserve and enforce conservative policies after he was pushed out of ministerial chair, what did you expect him to do? Defect?

​@@LordCrokerChurchill defected

😂😂😂

@@gandydancerfilms6272 Farage is far right, and so are the Tories. The fact that a dumb toff like Rees Mogg is invited to this tells you the editors of the Spectator are out of touch with reality.

They remind me of new labour these days tbh.

@@AshGTE which one? there have been so many "new" labour's I have lost count. I think we are on new new new new new new Labour right now by my calculation and that is only since I have been active since 1969.

@METALFREAK03 I was referring to Tony Blairs time in office, followed by Brown. Outright liars.

Immigrants? Labour are trashing the planning laws to build more houses. I thought the indigenous population's birth rate was going down and we are not replacing ourselves. Why do we need to build more houses? Did I get a vote on mass immigration?

I have a sneaky feeling we will be building to house the boaty people

We got captured by Usury a very long time ago unfortunately.

The money from Billionaires filters down the open borders of Labour will drain the country.

Ordinary billionaires.

Do you assume that most of the UK are as right as you are though?

@@Ragdollcatlover They should be. That's the point. Is the economy helped by being part free market and part socialist big government? That pretty much describes the whole of Europe, and how is Europe competitively? Why do the left hate Blair? He combined socialism with pro-business policies. Being centrist is good for Labour because it adds good economic policies to socialism. Being centrist is bad for the Conservatives because it accepts the left's views. It adds socialism to good economic policy. How was the economy with high taxes, and high spending on the NHS, Net Zero, etc. Obviously bad. If more and more voters in the UK are left wing and support the Green New Deal, then they'll just have to learn or be convinced that those policies bankrupt the country. You want the Tories to accomodate socialism? The government can solve climate change through regulation?

@@Ragdollcatloveryou can appeal to the public on the major issues where actually the public lean to right and historically pro conservative, immigration, the economy and law and order, all 3 are where actual conservatism is more attractive then left wing policies on these subjects, Also the public lean right on gender issues too so moving the party more to the right with the right messaging and strategy would be more attractive then the alternative

​@@daviddestefanis2989the same free market which told them to sell our industry to the Chinese making us dependent on them. Are they going to sell the army to a Chinese oligarch as well. Just imagine the fate of the country depended on some state bureaucrats no competition to boost efficency.

The centre Right is so much of the problem.

@@evolassunglasses4673the left are

Probably because they in big mansion in the Chelsea area

They don't give a shit about ya bud, they never have done. Try something else ...socialism perhaps.

They will not escape what's coming.

Do you think the speccy will give James his job back 🤭

Could have been email questions relating a live stream of the debate, perhaps?

Looks sloppy

With you on that!

Exactly. Ban DIE for starters. Sadly, that’s the last thing Labour will do. And they’re in deep love with Net Zero.

And that’s exactly why they wouldn’t let him!

Gutless I'm afraid, he loves his GB News job more - than Leading the Tories. 🔥🇬🇧REFORM

Mogg loves the sound of his own voice so much it doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense. Speaking In Latin or quoting a children's rhyme is a pathetic attempt at wit. I can't think of anyone For whom the term prat is more appropriate.

Really. Did you see his output as Minister for Brexit Opportunity. Useless.

A man who sat at Cabinet while millions of people came into Britain -- levels of immigration Tony Blair wouldn't have dared to allow -- should not be Prime Minister.

And Poland is iffy, especially since they are suckling at the teat of NATO. The Polish elite love the $$$ that NATO brings in, but you have to pay for the privilege, and I predict Polish will lose control over their ancestral homeland.

Here rats lost control of the ship they have been trying to sink for 14 years.

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@varalderfreyr8438 what nonsense is this?