Good observation!

Mary was referring to Pamuk and Sir Richard but I don’t think tat comment was directly to Ethel

Yes, and years later she avoided the consequences of her actions again when her father blackmailed the maid that was trying to blackmail her in revealing her secret affair.

well she is stuck, as at that same moment she is to marry absolutely unpleasant man who treats her harshly because of that old mistake. she just pays in a different way.

Lol choice? A man forces himself to your bedroom in a time where even calling for help in the situation ruins a woman's reputation and as they said it "purity". She had no choice. She rang for help she's ruined. If she did go with it there might be a chance that he keeps his mouth shut. Pamuk deserved it. I hope the same thing doesn't happen to your mother, sister or niece.

There's always one person who will highlight the rich peoples situation because deep down they are jealous or really wish it for themselves no matter how much they deny it. Why aren't you glad Mary did have help instead of being sarcastic about it? Yet another woman wasn't fed to the intolerable and excruciatingly high ideals that were pushed onto women of those days. Pfff. The reality is that women were used and abused back in those days on every level and had NO choices about anything, the men owned women back then and women could not refuse their husbands in anything. That includes the Rich Women, having the pretty dresses and houses just made it fractionally more tolerable yet worse at the same time as they were much more isolated than the average woman who went out to do the food shop etc, they had people to chat too.

@@weltschmertzz But did she so much as raise her voice in opposition to Mr. Pamuk's advances in her bedroom? Nope. She made absolutely no effort to oppose his wishes (which, rightly or wrongly, he took as consent). She made a choice, and she had to live with it.

Also he is clearly the one who is upset >.

@Captain Mercurian No even to Thomas, remember when he cried, when Sybil died, she was the one who comforted him. Little acts of kindness.

THANK YOU. People bashing Edith for her poor choices when everything that happened to her was extremely unfair trully breaks my heart

I don’t think it’s fair to say that she paid for it. During those times, women were shunned for making those necessary choices.

@@kellyramon8506Your comment doesn't make any sense.

So basically most part of the time 😕

Absolutely. Everyone else has to suffer when she’s had a shitty day. 😂 The rest of them had so much practice in resisting the urge to pick up a teapot and wack her behind the head, especially poor Matthew.

We were made to like Mary in spite of how she was, most of the time. I hated Mary, to be honest. But she had a human side and when we could see it with no doubt at all, it wasn’t possible not to sympathize with her. But overall, she just wasn’t my favorite character. I could be made to feel for her and like her immensely but I could never quite love her. When she was good, she was very good, but when she was bad, she was awful.

I have two sisters like Mary. God help help me.

Mary is a bully, who never grew up She is conceited and cold and then cried why nobody could see her She never takes responsibility and takes it out on others

I know this comment is old but I just found it, I was the ‘sweet little boy’ who played Charlie. I can’t remember much but I do remember not wanting to get into the car so my dad had to lie on the car floor for me to go in.

Whaaat? How old are you now?

You can't even call that a fling. He knowingly took advantage

@patricia • Mary had a one night stand with a single man who forced himself into her room. Edith had an ongoing sexual relationship with a married man that resulted in pregnancy. Edith would not give up the child and, after having generational tenants adopt the child, Edith took the child back, which forced those loyal tenants to leave. That doesn't include Edith's attempted seduction of the farmer she was driving for. And the reason Mary's options were limited was because Edith spread the gossip about Pamuk. Since Edith ended marrying up, she is the one person who was never held accountable for her poor choices and the hurt she left behind her. Just ask the Drews.

@@leahgutierrez7115 that would make no sense.

Carson sucks. He'd prefer to be upstairs with the rich folk.

@@leahgutierrez7115 approving less means disapproving more, I think you got it mixed up

Is it so hard to say "illegitimate child"?

Too many to count 😂. #LunchtimeDrama

Enough that I will be having my dinner brought to my room.

The wife/mother of Charlie's grandfather wanted to hold the baby. She may have seen her son in him (Charlie)

She is Fi introverted Feeling character

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At the point of this video, she didn't know it yet. She thought she will have to marry a man that she actually hated. So no surprise for her statement at the end.

@@potocatepetl No .. she also meant Lavinia .. she means by that Matthew who just had Lavinia come back after releasing her from any obligation .. She wasn't thinking of her stupid mistake .. because she wasn't threatened yet .. she just was feeling pressured a bit .. but we all know Mary wasn't forced to do that and even then .. she decided not to.

The thing is there was truth in her statement. Yes, she did have to pay for her consequences with Pamuk. What do you call living with the guilt of a man you shagged dying in your bed? The shame of that moment, and almost being blackmailed. Also, letting Rosalind put doubts in her head, and Matthew almost marrying Lavinia. She had to suffer consequences several times. You just see things work out for her. Also, Mary made a point, we all make choices we have to live with at one point in our lives.

In the year 1919, she had a child out of wedlock and wanted to survive, I can believe it. I still think she was an idiot, but Charlie shouldn't suffer for it.

Desperation precedes desperate actions...

@@chanaberlove8720 , I agree with you. Ethel had a nasty attitude and was very foolish.

Swear to god..if that happened in my house my grandmother would probably die of shock then rise from the dead to die of rage😂😂😂😂😂

If Pamuk fathered her baby or the other guy she was sleeping with, she would feel rather differently. She definitely did not deserve Matthew

They just judge her silently

As I've watched the show I've seen Mary as more of a villian than as a hero

Jelena Popović she did deserve Matthew

Jelena Popović Mary was referring to her and Pamuk and Sir Richard. She wasn’t really judging Ethel tho

@@ibrahimmustafa2481 Thank you, tons of options for contraception, a justice system extremely biased against men, they know the consequences for their actions but still fuck up betting they will get away on their victim card and shaming tactics to clear their mistakes and force responsibility lifted, so much for strong independence.

Stop blaming men thank you.

Daniel González Trejos its like someone beats your ass and then tells the police you assaulted him

Ibrahim Jamaawil hah. Fuck off. So many men run away from paternal responsibility yet you still blame women. It takes two to tango buddy. We say we don’t need feminism anymore but clearly, you’re an example as to why we do.

@@ibrahimmustafa2481 well done for making your character clear

Inayat Ahmed she’s talking about being stuck with Sir Richard because of her choice of letting Pamuk seduce her

Well, you are hateful too! IMO Mary was better than Edith!

Mary did not get pregnant in the fictional tv series called Downton Abbey. That did not happen to her character at all. However in real life, you're a judgmental sexist arsehole - I'd seek some help for that because a scriptwriter can't write that away.

At least if Mary got pregnant out of wedlock she could still live comfortably in her family's mansion with servants looking after her baby. Ethel couldn't have the same luxuries.

Mary was so harsh because she was so unhappy with Sir Richard, that´s the reason she tells that phrase, because she´s living with the consequences of been seduced by Pamuk; and actually you can see for a second than Matthew feels the same about Lavinia

Mary was frequently mean to other people when she herself was unhappy. When Bertie was courting Edith, Mary threw her sister under the bus because she herself was lovesick. And in this scene, she was stuck in an engagement with the controlling Richard Carlisle while Matthew was going to marry Livinia -- so, again, somebody else has to pay for her unhappiness. Her downstairs counterpart would be Thomas.

I think she gave opinions void of emotions and because she's a female it seems like she's a b. Men are considered blunt and/or stoic when they do the same.

Let's not forget she was willing to get Bates arrested or atleast reported when she found he could have killed Green. Even though she knew what Anna and bates had already been through. Even for Anna she couldn't cut some slack. She treated her parents with disrespect. Can anyone forget how she lashed out at her mother during the preparations for Mrs. Hughes wedding? And she constantly jibed at her father. And she was hateful to.carson when he refused to be butler to sir Richard. Yet everyone loved her and defended her.

She So Sweet she has enough emotions when it concerns her own self. She's only cold and blunt when it comes to other people's feelings.

Poor Edith! Actually she was a stinker. She actually betrayed Mary and risked causing social oblivion upon all the Crawleys including herself. Mary may have been flirtatious, but she did not invite Pamuk into her bedroom. There he was and what was she supposed to do? Reminds me of Duel in the Sun when Gregory Peck pops into Jennifer Jones's bedroom in the middle of the night, what's a girl to do, say go away. Edith was foolish with Sir Anthony and rather mean with that farm family. Edith was lucky with Michael Gregson and the future Lord Hexham, almost a sad sack himself. Mary was always a capable woman and basically a kind woman, not dissimilar to Lady Marjorie Bellamy. Quite a few decent and intelligent men were attracted to Lady Mary, beginning with Matthew Crawley. The only questionable gent was Sir Richard Carlisle, but Mary didn't care for him. BTW, usually we do end up sleeping in the beds we made.

Mary is a witch the entire show, great character, but she’s def not a good person

@@thetillerwiller4696 Read a top 20 list of Downton Abbey villains and lady Mary was #10 ( O’Brien, Thomas and Green were #1, #2, and #3)

Exactly..

Ethel's reaction stemmed from the fact that she witnessed Major Bryant's flirtatious relationship with Ethel during his stay, and so it was completely natural for her to believe Ethel's story. Thus when Mr Bryant demanded proof (with legitimate reasons) it was somewhat of an affront to Ethel's instinct, forgetting of course that unlike herself Mr Bryant had never met Ethel before.

Maybe she thought that their son had left a will should anything happen .

@Captain Mercurian That's something she should have thought of before barging in, right? In this case, Bryant Sr. clearly explained the sort of proof which would suffice: a signed acknowledgement of paternity by the late Bryant. Since the late Bryant had refused to acknowledge paternity of this baby (he knew... he did nothin), why would Ethel expect Bryant Sr. (whom had never known of Ethel and the baby's existence) to suddenly accept her claim to be true? I mean, if someone you had never seen before in your life, suddenly claims to have born the baby of your now dead son, and now wants to be supported from his estate, how would you react? Any sensible person would require some proof before acknowledging the baby.

@@hannahdyson7129 If the late Bryant had refused to acknowledge the baby while he was alive (he knew... he did nothin), why would Ethel expect any provisions in his will when he died?

Cora rather knew that Mary wasn’t innocent

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father

His wise explained it all. It does not excuse his behavior, however. Imagine w world where a family would just accept paternity by just a say-sos.

I mean once he's gotten past the grieving he behaves even worse

He's a prig!

She was referring to Mr Pamuk and Sir Richard and her mistakes . I don’t the the shade was meant for Ethel

@@jehannethompson1432 That’s how I interpreted it as well! ;)!

Not really, but realistic under the circumstances.

@@murrayaronson3753 Her mistake got covered up ...she was a hypocrite

And say what, it would have been out of place. As a servant you only speak when spoken to, even if Downton was relaxed on that rule, they were hosting guests, and it would have been incredibly disrespectful to them if she did say something more than what she already said.

That's exactly what she's thinking ... notice that she didn't make eye contact with Carlyle intentionally.

Sometimes Mary is lucky. She is a complex human being, but basically a good one and honest.

Crazy Steve but she didn’t know that was going to happen when she made the comment 🙄

OMG SO TRUE 😂😂😂😂

Big talk from a woman who got her mom and her servant to carry her dead lover's body out of her bedroom.

Did she really think that Major's parents would take her word for it that he is the father?

​@LBF522 Exactly. She was very naive. Wealthy people rarely acknowledged illegitimate children...not even the royal family

I don't think he understood what was going on

from the comments below i see mary is not liked,,i look at it different,,,that means she has done her part,well,,pompas ass,,well done,,thank you for posting,,;)

ecclestonsangel I think it was either on the 21st or 22nd

@@sks17873 oh, drat! That's a few days after my birthday. No matter, that's one movie that will get me into the theater!

Sept. 20 in the U.S.

"He's almost a year old." Having been around children my entire life, I can assure you he's not really that big lol

who is the real-life husband of Mrs. Hughes! :D

True but knowing all too well how that feels, couldn't she have shown a bit of compassion? Especially when she can be genuinely good when she wants too. Just look at everything she did for Anna, her own maid! She supported her when her husband was in jail, she allowed her to have a true wedding night, she wanted to help her as soon as she learnt she had been raped and when Anna confessed she was miscarrying all the babies she conceived, she immediately offered her to take her to her gynaecologist and is possibly the reason why Johnny Bates is alive as of today. Being unhappy is no reason to snap at others and be horrible to them. It's understandable, it's human but it's not justified. She could have just thought it really hard and kept her tongue guarded under seven locks. In that regard, she had a choice and she chose to be mean about Ethel's situation while she knows how it feels as she lives it.

Marina Ka-Fai I never said it excuses her actions,I was just explaining the reason behind it. People were calling her a hypocrite or snobby, when I was explaining she DOES acknowledge her mistake. And she’s a human,everyone in this series has made mistakes. Acted out of term or said some thing harsh to someone else. Which is why Julian Fellowes is such a genius writer, all of the characters are incredibly realistic and human. Mary’s character is a spitting image of what an heiress of that time typically looked like. Tough,cold,and aloof. But also charismatic and charming in order to attract compatible suitors. Thomas was a bitter footmen Who did a lot of terrible things simply out of spite and anger because he knew that he could never be happy,but most of the time with Mary it was personal. Like her sibling rivalry with Edith. Mary was jealous of Edith because as the younger daughter she had more control over her life, while Edith was jealous of Mary because she got more attention as the Heiress than she did and was often overshadowed. Her animosity towards Mary became so bad that she published to the Turkish Embassy about Pamuk, putting the entire estate into danger. And Mary got so jealous of Edith’s happiness and title that she exposed Merigold’s secret to bernie. Robert hated the idea of losing control over the estate to where he put downton in jeopardy multiple times. All of them got their own character arcs that were perfectly executed in their own time.

@@jellyjamese3134 True :)

It should have made her more sympathetic if that was the case.

How?

which King George?

It takes two to make a baby.

@@ChristineTheHippie To make, not to raise. Ethel trapped with the baby inside her when the Captain can be easily walk away from it. Literally she's in the wrong and the losing side.

@@AlexS-oj8qf Congratulations on failing Humanity 101

@@elenachristian9860 Talk to me when you have developed logic. Otherwise, go play with your humanity.

He was easy too.

Hooray!

I am sure that those kinds of situations happened often. Paternity denials are still commonplace. As far as the show goes, some strange girl bursts in on them during their meal and makes wild public accusations about her child’s paternity. The dead officer’s parents don’t know her and the officer never said anything about it to his dad. There were no DNA 🧬 tests at the time. There are scam artists who take advantage of grief. Besides, Ethel was not a very likable person. She was rude (as she usually is) so he matched her energy.

People like you only look at one side of the story. Put yourself in Mr. Bryant’s shoes. He’s never seen this girl in his life and right after his son died she comes out of nowhere claiming a grandson? Of course as an audience you would know what happens behind the scene but Mr. Bryant doesn’t. Imagine a world where you’re forced to accept paternity simply from say sos

Mary is a character not a real person therefore she can't be a "nice person" and it's a tv show not a movie.

DNA tests didn't exist in Downton era

Takes two to tango...

Mary didn't keep her knees together also. Don't forget the pamuk that died in her bed and he mother had to pick up the pieces. So she's just a hypocrit.

Mary was no better. Don't forget pamuk and Tony Gillingham. Of course Ethel did something stupid but Mary is in no place to judge her. If anyone knew about pamuk, Mary could not show her face in society ever.

Inayat Ahmed she was taking about Mr Pamuk and Sir Richard the shade wasn’t directly for Ethel

@@WelshSwan1986 Found the gay commenter.