Yes!! she got away with everything. Made me so mad. But when Mr Bates humbled her that made me happy. She was still a jerk though.

Its not a baby at that stage...far from it

really O'Brien is my favourite character she's always so fiesty

@@Harry-bn5mp Will you shut up. We're not here to discuss that, we're here to discuss the stupid O'Brien and how she got away with it.

The actress is amazing at making you hate her character. That's how you know the actor is good as a vilian.

@@Hannari-xt6nr Autocorrect can sabotage us sometimes. Just enjoy the quote and move on.

I like to think that being Susan's lady's maid and putting up with her was kind of her punishment. Besides, O'Brien really was remorseful about what she did, which is why she tried to take such good care of Cora when she had Spanish flu.

Why did she do that?

@@maxpower2093 she thought she was being replaced and acted out, then discovers at the end of the video the advert/conversation was about hiring someone for violet, not cora (and replacing o'brien). The actress quit the show in between seasons I believe, so they couldn't really do anything other than hastily write her out

@Ellie5621 why would she think it was on purpose ?, She would have just thought it was bad luck, an accident, Poor Cora later lost her youngest daughter Sybil too .

@Ellie5621she told her off in front of everyone bc O'Brien was disrespecting her family in front of everyone in HER HOME. Sometimes you need to put people in their place right on the spot so they learn a lesson.

I loved it

Siobhan Finneran is amazing

And the fear she feels thinking gosh what have I done? If they find out I'll for sure be sacked.

😍😍😍

It's fiction, dear.

Don’t talk to Janice like dat

And Cora was never really bad to O'Brien, she was always respectful and kind towards the people who worked around them, she relied strongly on O'Brien when the baby was gone, too. O'Brien was a terrible person, she was willing to cause so much pain for two parents and literally the loss of a child because she misunderstood a conversation that she's overheard.

It reflects some humans perfectly. People take vengeance on others based on similar occurrences, eg. half truths, outward lies.

😂😂

😂😂🤣

Quite true.

But that's stylish! CURLY BANGS

yeahhhhhhh

Absolutely. O'Brien ASSUMED. You know what happens when you assume....

Lucky for O'Brien, she got away with it. In reality, our self-sabotage truly does something harmful

Thomas did as well. They were two peas in a pod in that way.

Did she? Learn it?

@@AidiaP To the day she was written off the show, she bitterly regretted doing that to Cora. She regretted it so much that she began to distance herself from Thomas when he threatened to expose Mary through Vera Bates and bring “shame to her lady”. She never again made a rash decision in the show solely on emotion or insecurity. It was always calculated and smart.

Not attempted. Intentionally causing someone to miscarry their child (when it isn’t an abortion they consented to) IS MURDER.

I think she more felt class conflict. And her anger at the system got the better of her, her and Tom Branson were kinda similar in that regard but Tom was an optimist mostly, whereas O'brien was nihilistic.

She really crossed the line there into sociopathy. I can see how Cora's delicate snobbery could have been beyond annoying for her but the "her ladyship's soap" incident is unjustifiable. It's not funny anymore.😦

I hate her.

@@ohdiggy8038 what did the soap do?

@@luckycharms7572 It's been a while since I've watched Downton, but I think it was deliberately placed for Cora to slip on causing her to fall and resulting in the miscarriage of her unborn child. If I remember correctly it was also a boy which is significant because she and her husband had three daughters but no sons, so learning it was a male child complicated their grief. Grief, loss, Cora's physical suffering, death of the child. The point is this was no accident and wasn't a spontaneous abortion mother nature style. O'Brien deliberately made this happen. She had intent. Also, the punishment didn't fit the crime. O'Brien felt slighted by Cora sure. That's understandable and relatable. Her feelings are justified. But she chose to take things to a whole other level when she harmed Cora and murdered the child. And she enjoyed doing it. And she felt no remorse afterwards.

That's what happened to me. I kept getting these videos recommended and still do. After watching so many I finally started watching the show. It's so good. Just started the 2nd season.

have fun. it's addicting lol

Oh how I wish i could be you and watch it for the 1st time all over again

I binge watched it. I would watch an episode at lunch, right before and after dinner. It was mad crazy but oh so good.

Watched all of them. One of the best period dramas on television.

Safe Space Bear Everything hurts ;D .....

Bates is fiercely loyal to the people he loves.

No

No, the only one who knew was Barrow but he had secrets of his own and he knew O'Brien would not hesitate to tell if pushed into a corner. A few seasons later she left for a new family travelling overseas and never came back.

I remember she left because I believe Barrow told Bates who used it against her. He whispered “her ladyship’s soap” to her, and snuck out that night.

frozenchipmunk4 I think not, O’brien left after the travel to the Highlands where she was hired by Lady Flintshire

no, never

She enjoyed being on the show very much

She and Rob James-Collier are such brilliant baddies in this.

I don't understand why she hasn't won a BAFTA yet

She's evil

@@ohdiggy8038 She said it in an interview.

No way slipping out of the tub would have "murdered" the baby. Babies float in water inside the womb. It would take a real hit for her to miscarry and how is it that she just happened to step down right on that bar of soap?

@@taroman7100 Are you seriously trying to defend O'brien?

@@taroman7100 Sybil was 18, so Cora was probably 40 or older, that itself is a big risk. Even a simple fall can cause a miscarriage in a young woman, so imagine the severity in an older woman.

@@taroman7100 Hitting the baby isn't the only concern. Trauma to the placenta can knock it loose and kill both of them. Sheer force can break the waters. Concussions can shock the whole system and set off labor.

In reality, the fetus is quite protected in the womb. It would take a much harder knock than that to bring on a miscarriage. It's only a 'soap' opera.

In my opinion, I don't believe O'Brien fully grasped the severity of her actions in that moment or thought her actions were justified. She made the floor slippery, but she could not have known that it would lead to Cora losing the baby. I believe this wasn't a carefully planned act of revenge for being fired, but rather a spontaneous outburst fueled by intense anger. O'Brien is a proud and nasty person. I think she felt betrayed and had a momentary, impulsive outburst driven by her intense emotions. In her anger and belief that Cora intended to unjustly dismiss her, she made a rash decision without fully understanding the potentially tragic consequences. The regret she shows moments after highlights her realization, finally thinking rationally. Personally, I prefer this interpretation as it paints a more complex picture of human behavior under extreme emotional duress, where actions can have far-reaching and devastating consequences, even if not initially intended.

​@@corsariocapitaoagreed. However, there is already regret when she comes out of the bathroom and tells to herself "this is not you" when she saw herself in the mirror. She was coming into her senses.

@@corsariocapitao I agree. I think O'Brien echoes a lot of people, in that she echoes others' opinions, has occasionally shallow emotions, but can be both good and evil. She is impulsive and her actions show her as a very human person, like when the Dowager and Cora are looking for ladies' maids, she immediately concludes Cora is scheming to fire her, because it's something she would do.

Evil people do evil things. Parasites do what parasites do. She killed her unborn child. Technically if she were in the states today, she'd more than go to jail...

@@corsariocapitaoUnfortunately we never see any evidence that O’Brien is anything but a selfish, impetuous and cruel person who doesn’t care about other people. Even most of her good actions are to assuage her own guilt or are directly to her benefit. Or just to spite someone else

Every episode was perfection from start to finish.

Thank you! Everyone should be so grateful that she’s there, full of spite and mean-spiritednesses. And then her redeeming herself (sort of) during the plague. Excellent drama!

Same! And the actress who plays her is simply brilliant in this role, I adore her.

True. I still think something should have been done though. Bates and Thomas found out (not all the details in Bates case) but Kora never did.

@@bloxybuildz5753 - because she can’t take the overwhelming guilt?

Anna doesn’t keep herself away from the evil plot here, she’s just going to work. Also what O’brien said was based on truth. As many employees viewed servants as a commodity that they could just toss aside

“Not when I’m in charge!” 🤣

“Not when I’m in charge!” Hahahaha

Well I guess Americans could’ve been more forgiving.. I wouldn’t be surprised as they were known for being progressive and soft! Plus O’Brien was an excellent and loyal lady’s maid to Cora who might’ve been hard to replace.. But she was very close to firing her!

I often thought that. I watched the original Upstairs Downstairs, and Mr Hudson wouldn’t have let any of that go on. Also there was no “we are friends” between servants and upper class.

I mean I would not sack somebody that worked for me for years because I catch hem gossiping in the servant hall, which is their place. Getting a whole new person is a whole lot of fuss. I would not want to go trough the process of getting somebody new unless I absolutely had too, and I do agree they are entiteld to their opinions and feelings, as long as it doesn't show. If they dont like my guest thats fine, as long as they be polite to my guest all the same. I dont believe for a second people where sacked in edwardian era's for one time being cought complaining. People complain all the time about all sorts of things. As long as they do their job and do it well, there is no reason to sack. Servants are still people. I dont think every noble would forget that just because they are rich. Convinience is worth something also, and having a steady face around is prefered over new faces all the time. This is not wallmart. Servants where not as often replaced if they did their job well and didn't leave on their own accord. As long as O'Brien wasn't rude to Crawly in his face she IS entiteld to her opinions on him. I dont like her, I dont agree with her opinion on Matthew, but I do agree with her that she has every right to feel what she feels and not be dictated on what her opinions can be. Cora can only judge her on her work and her profesionalism upstairs, not her more private behavior downstairs.

Nah my cousin can’t even raise her voice against housemaid who steal her things.

@@5iveshot170 I think you’re spot on! The dowager countess would’ve seen O’Brien off in an instant for that, but Cora’s Americanness made her slightly more egalitarian.

She did not kill the baby because it would take more than a fall out of the tub to jolt a miscarriage. Read up about it.

@@taroman7100 of course that may not have been the only reason but it definitely matters abs it doesn’t show compassion for others

Unfortunately, Lady Grantham didn't find out.

​@@taroman7100 I disagree

I agree. Watched all 6 seasons and was always hoping for more info on her backstory :p

In reality that baby would not have been miscarried by a fall. The fetus is quite protected in the womb from jolts worse than a fall.

I never got why Thomas never told . Especially in season 3 when she was out to get him outed and sacked ( she technically did succeed , Robert just did not care )

@@marionarda2790I never got that either! When you have that kind of dirt on someone they can’t touch you. He knows her darkest secret and didn’t use that immediately to shut her down. Waited till his life was in ruins 🤷🏼‍♀️

That's so cool!

I loved seeing that she jumped to conclusions and that guilt eating at her.

And now you have become her

I feel like that's what makes it so realistic

Emma Murty I don’t disagree, but the video should be retitled.

It suits the story line

Opportunity presented itself.

Not to mention the fact that Cora is righthanded when she holds silverware so she wouldn't have gotten out of the tub on the left side hoisting herself out with her less dominate arm. The whole thing was bizarre.

@@debra2700 You have the keen sense of a detective.

Jarrod: You've obviously never experienced pregnancy. I disagree.

Sometimes you have to embrace your suspension of disbelief and just accept the story that the storyteller is trying to tell. All writers are not created equal. All directors, all actors are not created equal. Sometimes you just have to suspend your disbelief and accept the story that's being told.

It is a bit over the top. I had to consider she fell in to the side of the baths edge striking her pelvis violently. Which may have caused the growing placenta to detach from the uterine wall. Granted it probably would have taken several days for her to miscarry....but, alas. I kinda wish some internet sleuth could do a 3D reenactment of the possibilities.

I believe people don’t realize the servants sacrifice everything for the family they serve. She doesn’t have a husband, a child she works long hours and have very few possibilities to get to a better position. Cora could have been a bit smarter and not ask her questions like « how long does it take for a maid to settle ». Cora being part of the Crawleys she doesn’t have the empathy required to see how hurt O’Brien was

ORK Cora appeared so careless obviously because it didn’t even cross her mind that O’ Brien could interpret the things she said like that. But yes, she could’ve thought about that.

This is exactly it! But everyone wants to think that she’s pure evil while I don’t think she is totally. I felt bad for both of them.

Its not a baby at that stage...far from it

@@Harry-bn5mp shut up

@@logiciansvlog5800 What? Am I wrong?

@@Harry-bn5mp yes.

@@logiciansvlog5800 Ok. Explain.

I mean, Cora literally told her it's okay to leave the other half under the tub

Same here! I truly despised her character.

Same!!!! What a nasty person to do something like that.

How old do you think she was ready? Sybil was 18, Mary was maybe 21. She was at most 42. Many people have babies at that age especially when they have had one before successfully.

@@chanaberlove8720 You have to remember the time period. Even today pregnancies in a person's 40s are termed "geriatric" and are treated specially + are watched more carefully. This is the Edwardian era, where maternal mortality rates were still extremely high, and they didn't have the same methods of care we have today. My mother had my brother at 43, and it involved taking medicine to increase her progesterone and months of bedrest. I can't speak for all women who have babies after 40, but it's almost certainly harder for them than it is for a woman who is younger

There is not a „broad chance“ of miscarriage when you get older but of genetic abnormalities. That’s something different.

@@pandakatiefominz Wrong. This nonsensical and misogynistic term hasn’t been used for decades anymore.

@@pandakatiefominz PS The treatment and bed rest you describe in your mother is not representative

Season 1 only has 6 episodes

When she looked in the mirror and went "Sarah O'brien, this is not who you are." I had a lot of respect for her. It's a pity her realisation came too late.

Wash she pregnant?

@@helenarichard Yup. That's why Lord Grantham was crying and found out it was going to be a boy.

You're no better than O'Brien, wanting to slap and hit her. Physical violence is rarely the answer.

Rose is a smoker as well

By far!!!