ask the Cardinal who went in the middle of the sermon in Constantinople with the Excommunication, ask the Pope why he didn't seek true reunification he only sought to subdue the Eastern Churches to his supremacy, ask why he sustain the doctrine of the Filioque?, ask him why he hold to the doctrine that it is a purgatory.... there is no such place described in the bible... ask why he didn't condemn the Crusades specially the 4th where the crusaders killed raped and made a mockery on the Patriarchal throne of Constantinople by putting a whore on the Patriarchal See?, ask him why the Pope keeps lying people about the truth .... the only reason he will lose power and support among it's clerics if he denounces.... I think everyone of them knows that the east is what Jesus's church should've been.... and the west changed it's Rites now the Orthodox church is trying to rebuild the old Latin Lithurgy of Saint Pope Gregory the Great who was a Deacon in Constantinople for Western Europe and Celtic Lithurgy in England, Wales and Ireland.... the Western church lost it's core elements when the Papal Throne lost it's way and itself the throne become a Gaming thing for the Emperors and other people.. more like a Game of Thrones way... see the Borgias history...

I'm not saying I disagree. I sided with the Orthodox long ago. And your right. Still, it makes me sad, and I hope for massive scale reunification to the True Faith someday. I will always hope and pray.

The pope at that time didn't excommunicate anyone. He died before the news of the controversy got back to him.

@ginger rodent US bishops* hmmmmm

Not to be punctilious but 1054 doesn't exist. It simply occurred. And it didn't ruin Orthodoxy. It did Orthodoxy the eminent favour of distancing it from the heretically leaning Franks.

+Liberty Prime Keep trying, don't give up ant have faith. It took me time too, and my home parish is one of these wayward liturgically, but my town was blessed by a good Old Rite liturgy.

i want to have the old rite in my mother language. I know the reason for it but I think it is the only way in a better mass.

lets pray for comingback of tridentine mass

the two Liturgies shown in this video are not comparable.. Orthodox one is celebrated for sure in one of the most beautiful churches in Russia, with a lot of priests ecc.. the Catholic one is celebrated probably in some unknown Church in the American province.. Is not a fair comparison..

Yes, I agree with you. For 20 years I was an altar-boy for the Tridentine mass. I asked why radical reforms were introduced in the 60-70th in the liturgy for catholics and not in the East part of the Church (Ortodox or Greek Catholics); I was answered that Ortodox or Greek world didn't suffer ''The Protestant Reform'' so they didn't need ''radical changes''.

Adrian Rum me too I'm Orthodox and love it

Get out of Rome. Save your soul.

@@jamesbarlow6423 I have already returned. If you mean leaving catholicism for protestantism (or anyway it is called "biblical christianity", whatever it means"), i want you to know, that i recognized it as a one big fake and great lie of... Antichrist. If Rome is called Babylon for it's spiritual adultery with "other gods", you should know, that in last 60 years the only "other god" who occupies and destroys catholic faith and liturgy is only protestantism.

I have a question. How does a typical catholic icon really looks like?

And western rite parishes in the orthodox church.

I agree.

All kinds of chatolics and othodox are friend

And i agree to

For me the liturgy of Trente is awful

You are blessed indeed!!

pls encourage some parishes as well, especially here in philippines

You are lucky. I go get Eucharist on sat. At catholic and then divine liturgy on sun. I Hav to have both!

@David Phillips well said

@David Phillips What a delusional individual. Where and when did Christ proclaim papal infallibiljty?

The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.

Paulo Padilla The Novus Ordo is intended to by celebrated in Latin. The Traditional Mass goes back to the 7th Century, with many of the parts and canon going back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

Paulo Padilla Latin is also used as a form of veiling. It is an iconostasis of language.

+Paulo Padilla That's untrue my friend. The standard Roman form was universalized in 1570. It replaced the local usages which were less than 200 years old. In substance the "Tridentine" Mass goes back to the very beginning of the Roman Church. Finally, the Novus Ordo was promulgated in 1969! What an awful year in general, let alone one for the development of liturgy. A 1960s bourgeois artifice.

Paulo Padilla is RIGHT. Mark Valens, what is the difference of CODIFIED and UNIVERSALIZED? You just used a different word. lol The FACT that only ONE FORM is being implemented is because there are SO MANY FORMS that are being used before 1570. And because it has many forms they have to UNIVERSALIZED it so NO ORIGINAL FORM was really used. TRIDENTINE MASS is a result of the many forms that were circulating before 1570. NOVUS ORDO on the other hand is a MORE PRECISE FORM that has been copied from the one circulating in the EARLY CHURCH. Just like for example Jesus Christ did not have his BACK facing the apostles. Jesus was facing the APOSTLES in the Last Supper.

Orthodox bishop ? Where ?

@@aleksandarstavric2226 He just faking

The hell you are a bishop

@@RS-tp3uu no most bishops has rather KZfaq channel to preach or no KZfaq at all,he literally have meme as his profile.

Can you suggest any on music platforms like apple or Spotify?

@@nkosibaptiste6489 I usually find the songs on KZfaq and use a KZfaq MP3 converter to turn them into mp3 format on my phone and then I can play them offline or share them with friends.

Latin chants too

I'm Catholic Apostolic and Roman. I will pray for you convertion in the Only True Faith.

is "manest" stay?

I am Roman and I pray for our churches to be together again. I belive we must be one day.

It's complicated. Orthodoxy has to do with both right doctrine and right (way of) worship. There has been a tendency in the Eastern Church to only regard the byzantine rite as the only proper way to conduct a mass, but that is (slowly) changing. Focusing more on your own points "meaning original from the first centuries and a valid liturgical formula", I'd say, not exactly. The Tridentine Mass was established after the Great Schism and as such is considered in the East as a novelty (though more original than the Novus Ordo). As for the liturgical formula, there is the old debate between East and West about the liturgical requirement for transubstantiation - the Roman Rite uses solely the words of constitution, while the byzantine rite adds (and insists on) the epiclesis. Some Orthodox ritualists, therefore, consider the Roman Rite that does not contain a form of epiclesis as liturgically invalid.

Percernis The 'tridentine' mass comes from before the schism (from Pope St Gregory the great). At Trent, the mass was codified and instituted everywhere as variations of this rite had developed (e.g. the Sarum use in southern England) and to combat the services of protestants.

Ameen. The Orthodox Divine Liturgy is a totally immersive experience but then It is literally Heaven brought to Earth.

​@@harrietharlow9929the tridentine latin mass is also divine and has all of the points of doctrine of faith corrects.

Yes indeed, the chant id in Malayalam

Properly done, the byzantine rite should, however, be celebrated in a liturgical language like church-slavonic.

@@krzysztofkruczynski3789 Better in Greek.

@@krzysztofkruczynski3789 as a Melkite Catholic, I disagree.

@@GuadalupePicasso the divine liturgy sounds great in a mixture of English, Greek, and Arabic ;) I'm not yet canonically Melkite but I attend divine liturgy often enough, and have petitioned my Latin ordinary and the Melkite bishop for a transfer.

Satan invaded you.

@@jamesbarlow6423 How do you know?

You're right; my brother was ordained a priest last month and the younger clergy, both in seminary and the priesthood, are FAR more conservative than most of the bishops they serve. As time passes and nature takes its course, we'll see more and more traditional practices return. In 10-20 years, most of the abuses of Vatican II will be gone.

It's truely a joy to hear that there are even orthodox christians who wish for unity. That's not something catholics should consider for granted. I may support unity but please do not missunderstand... There can only be unitiy in truth. And as a catholic, you can guess where i think truth can be found.

super batarang Very true. Several of them have stated their choice if they could not be Jewish would be to become Muslims.

Amen

Catholics broke Away from The Church. It is impossible for them to express pure faith until they repent. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7ySZNVitt7QaIU.html

I believe both the Eastern and Western Churches had distinct Liturgies long before 1054 like 100s of years before 1054.

Join the Orthodox. Rome is owned by satan

Dietrich Hammond Sorry brother, what is depicted here is Oriental Orthodoxy (Indian Syro Malabar Jacobite St Thomas Christian Church) which uses the Liturgy of St Basil just like the Coptic Orthodox of Egypt. Byzantine or Eastern Orthodox is not depicted here.

Wait, this video compares the Latin Mass to the Divine Liturgy of the _Oriental_ Orthodox Church?

No not all of them are Oriental Orthodox, Some of them are the true Eastern Orthodox like the Russian ones, but some later at the back are the oriental orthodox

Check the most beautiful churches here.

the two Liturgies in this video are not comparable.. Orthodox one is celebrated for sure in one of the most beautiful churches in Russia, with a lot of priests ecc.. the Catholic one is celebrated probably in some unknown Church in the American province.. Is not a fair comparison..

Agreed. Both speak to a particular mentality and cultural tradition which cannot be discarded without discarding the way people understand and relate to the most fundamental experiences in their lives.

But in the tridentine latin mass you have a divine liturgy too and you profess all the corrects point of faith

It looks like something you'd see in a Protestant church, not a Catholic one...

Yeah, coz it's actually an "ecumenical" mass that "excludes no one", not a CATHOLIC mass exclusively for the true members of the body of Christ.

The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.

The Tridentine Mass is the CODIFIED Liturgy of the Western Church. The Novus Ordo, was promulgated by Anti Pope Paul Vl and he did not even attempt to abrogate the codification of Pope St. Pius V on the Tridentine Mass. The Novus Ordo is NOT a valid Mass not even close. Although in their treachery IT COULD BE. I stay away from it. As an example, I attended an Orthodox Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and it was IN ENGLISH. The Tridentine Mass is still the Codified Mass of the Roman Church but so too is the Novus Ordo which MIGHT be a valid Mass and might not be. Remove the ambiguity, renounces Vatican 2 in it's totality return the Codified Mass with propers and readings in the Vernacular and the Roman Canon in Latin. It is the LATIN CHURCH afterall. Lord Have Mercy....

Robertiacomacci what are you talking about? Stop spreading lies here. Know the history of Tridentine Mass and and other forms being practiced by the Catholic Church. Tridentine Mass is only practiced by the Latin Rite so it is not only the allowed form. Novus Ordo was approved by the Pope and the Fathers of the Vatican II to be used by the Latin Rite. Jesus Christ did not put his back to the disciples in the Last Supper that is one of the reason why we have the Novus Ordo. If you don't agree with it then you are the heretic.

As a catholic you have access to every single rite of christendom, all rites are inside the Catholic Church

we orthodox have our own western rite too.

Same tho you do have the option to go to a different eastern catholic rite and it fulfills your obligation

Leonardo Garcia I truly wish there was a Byzantine Rite Catholic Church near me. But I alternate between Ordinary form and the extraordinary form of the Roman mass. I am beginning to love the Latin mass more. The homilies at the Latin mass are on a other level. (I only attend high Latin mass).

Are there any Anglican Ordinariates near you?

I find myself very fortunate to be an Eastern Catholic, with access to both my liturgy, and for whatever reason I may miss it, may also go to the Tridentine Mass the next day in the same town

@@Cryptinox if you want to suggest him to go to Anglicans, no, you can't do that, they are heretics and don't believe in the special role of the priest as it would be "popish"

Name one time that happened since the 15th century. And the way the Orthodox were treated at the Council of Florence was anything but fraternal. We learned our lesson, I hope, and will never turn hat in hand to the westerners again. Never.

And the 4th crusade.. vactians cant be trusted well their high echelons , pope.. we learned our lesson...

Well said. What else is liturgy for if not to instill reverence for God and enjoy His generosity?

N.o.was made by Satan to take fro the old rite .new books ,new,words,new mass.if I steal the emblem off a Cadillac and put it on a Geo metro is the Geo a Cadillac? Not asking just saying.👎😡,

"which is unfortunately often devoid of this level of reverence" I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. The "Novus Ordo" can and has in many places absolutely been celebrated reverently, even more so than the TLM in some places (Like Diocesan TLMs, which some tend to be just awful). Also there was liturgical abuse before the Novus Ordo Missae, such as the Priest zipping through the Mass in less than 15 minutes and some even mumbling the Eucharistic prayers, which may even affect the validity of the Sacrament... This is an example of a Reverent Novus Ordo celebrated by Benedict XVI, which in my opinion at least is superior to the TLM: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qrygZtJy09itmn0.html

@@francisobi6851 The Ordinary Form can still certainly be celebrated, but "even more so than the TLM"? No, not even close. A reverent Ordinary Form is extremely rare (ad populum or ad orientem) and depends entirely on the parish's pastor and the local bishop assigning the priest. The Ordinary Form is growing rarer due to the current Pontiff's disdain for it. And forget Diocesan TLMs, some regular Diocesan Masses are worse by tenfold. There will be liturgical abuse for any form of Mass presented, but the abuse of the pre-1962 liturgy and that of the Mass 1970 and beyond are incomparable. A Mass said too quickly cannot be compared to a Mass where the Eucharistic prayer is completely freestyled, or the priest gives a blessing with a guitar, or has a layperson proclaim the Gospel or give the Homily. I think both are bad, but one is CLEARLY worse. If the worst liturgy a Catholic had to be worried about was one said too fast as opposed to one that was completely invalid in every way, we would be a much better Church. Again, both are bad, but one is worse.

They're basically the same (both are the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom on most days).

All that is needed is a new Pope that respects tradition. ALL that is needed is a new Pope that respects tradition! That's ALL you need but you probably can't procure it in the immanent future and it didn't work the last time. Therefore, a return to traditional liturgy remains pie in the sky. There already was a pope who respected tradition, named Benedict XVI if I recall, and he did not effect what you are hoping for.

@@severianmonk7394 You clearly have no knowledge of Benedict's papacy then. Summorum Pontificum had the exact effect that was needed, opening up the Latin Mass which has now led to over 400 latin masses in the US alone (up from just 20 in 1980). It will take 40 years until the Benedict XVI generation of priests enter into the hierarchy of bishops. Thankfully, I have the time to wait.

What we need is not a Pope who "respects" tradition, but support it, that fights back against modernism and protestantism. We need a Pope who makes the whole Church repent for assuming protestant ideology, and return the Catholic faith and doctrine as it was before external influences corrupted it

Moses King the only way to be restored is that it’s celebrated Latin style in vernacular language. Like Guadalupe mass. Otherwise it won’t be. Also it happens that most of attendance of the Catholic Church comes from Latin America where people are obsessed with charismatic and Pentecostalism, so many many Catholics are turning to those Protestant lines. That’s why the pope needs the novus ordo. Keep the Latinos clapping and Catholic Church will survive.

Simply, a pope who declares Vatican II removed from the Church

Not hard to figure out. 'ICEL objects to hieratic language because such language is redolent of the sacred. Such language is not horizontal; it leads the worshipper to elevate his heart and his soul to the transcendant God,' as Stuart Koehl reported. Vatican II simply couldn't tolerate the idea of the divine and was determined to get rid of it, a project in which they were remarkably successful. Once you have commandeered the idiom you have won.

I mean for one translating the Tridentine into English automatically makes that person anathematized

Simple. A lot of heretics wrote the documents, and better yet they used the "spirit of Vatican II" to expand on it. I have hope that a future council will handle this (as will unite the orthodox with the Pope)

@@bootleg8720 Why would the Orthodox unite with the Roman church should Vatican II be somehow undone? The last thing I expect would be for such a council to accommodate Orthodox objections, most of which center on Papal authority.

And that’s where the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, or Walsingham, or of the Southern Cross fulfills the desire for a Tridentine/Sarum Rite Mass containing a mixture of sacred English and Latin.

Bro its the only mass I attend go to a sspx mass

​@@jamie2015No

The presentations you reference weren't dishonest. They present the fact of the low depths to which Western Christianity has sunk. It's true that not every Roman Catholic parish performs clown masses, but the very fact that this practice is embraced without excommunication, or in the least, suspension of such activities, demonstrates the liberalism of Rome, and it's departure from the Traditions of the Church. The West has watered down liturgics and embraced a mediocre path away from reverence and mysticism and toward a bland, dying set of practices that resemble the most vapid Protestant innovations of the last 500 years.

+ignati123 And what is the point of slamming the Catholic Church except to to compensate for the inferior position orthodoxy has not only in the secular world, but in the Christian world as well. It was the Pope of the Catholic Church who was invited to address all the nations of the world at the United Nations. It was the Pope who was invited to address the Congress of the United States. World leaders, kings and queens, heads of state all request audiences with the Pope in recognition of the importance of the Catholic Church in world events. I don't see the Archbishop of Constantinople being invited to world events, nor do I see any secular or political world leader knocking on his door ! Orthodoxy is nothing more than a loose grouping of Independent ethnic churches all fighting among themselves for leadership recognition, the sad result of separating from the Catholic Church in 1054. Unfortunately, it's been downhill for orthodoxy ever since.

1) In complete agreement with Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture, Orthodox Church believe, that there is exist more important thing that audiences between Pope and secular governments - a theosis of human person. Too bad, if modern Catholics carry only about how to make kings and presidents knocking theirs Catholic's doors.2) I strongly advise you to learn history. It was a bishop of Rome, who spit a Christian unity, which was bequeathed by Christ. But this separation of Rome in 1054 was just a political gesture. A spiritual separation was more earlier - in 809 AD.3) Your words about Orthodox Churches show only your misunderstanding of nature of our ecclesiology. But I don't expect too many from Catholics; your view is soooo typical and stereotypical, that I even don't want to comment it.

+Александр Черных this is the problem with you schismatic orthodox. You live in a world of fantasy in which the theocracies of the Byzantine Empire exist only in your mind, The "glory" of orthodoxy and the Byzantine Empire has been dead for many centuries, and orthodoxy has mostly been conquered by Islam. As the Turkish government recently said,"The so called archbishop of Constantinople, is a cleric of a minor sect, which has no importance or relevancy in Turkey.." I agree. No such statement could ever be made of the Pope or the Catholic Church. Elaborate liturgies which go on for hours, and priests in gold vestments do not change the fact that orthodoxy is dead. So continue to argue about the date for Easter, the Filioque, and leaven bread versus unleavened bread for the Holy Mass, while you fade away into the obscurity of non relevancy.

Orthodox never dies because Christ is not dead! But I will not argue, especially with such Latin crusader like you. If only you were a true roman catholic Christian, you will understand that not discussion about bread, date of Easter and so on is main problem between Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches, but a problem of Filioque, which represented a true difference between eastern and western understanding of the Holy Trinity, which is a center of Christian's life. But you prefer flaunting such secular things like "independence" of Pope of Rome (tru-u-ully "independent", especially in XIV century). You commenting like a pupil who play to much in "Total war" games series. So take my advise: stop playing, go to near catholic's parish, find normal roman catholic's priest and confess him that you spend too much time in Internet and have no clue about theology, nor catholic, nor orthodox.

They should have included institution narrative and epiclesis for Orthodox. And they should have included gospel reading for Catholic.

Catholic Apostolic and Roman.

The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.

It's not the vernacular tongue that's the problem, it's the butchered liturgy that many catholics become angry with.

The Tridentine Mass was codified in 1570, yes, but it is substantially the same as the 1472 (?) Missal and in fact all Roman Missals/Orders of Mass back to the Divine Liturgy of St. Peter in the first century.

there have always been a variety of ancient and valid liturgies in the West. and whether celebrated in Latin or the vernacular, the Mass is the mass, if the sacraments and the priest are present (and of course it is for the people).

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Amazing!

Beautiful

You know, there is just a place for a private prayer in silence and for a contemplation of Lord's sacrifice. But there are also beautiful traditional folk hymns which include a deep religious content and are also a kind of a prayer.

Krzysztof Kruczyński.

Mhm

@@krzysztofkruczynski3789 You are correct Worship among the Laity or participation in the Liturgy the public prayer of the Church is lacking in the Traditional Roman Rite. The Roman Catholic Church in the so-called Traditional Roman Mass reduced the Mass to the private prayer of the clergy and simply mandated the Laity to witness it. I took a class in Sacramental Theology while at the University the professor a Roman Catholic priest explained it this way before the 2nd Vatican Council many Laity used their time at Mass to pray the Rosary or play cards or play a board games or just say private prayers or just plan their week. Litugical abuse on a massive scale was practiced by the Roman Catholic Church for centuries. God has not been considered important in Roman Catholicism for 100s of years.

​@@adolphCattu profesor de teología te mintió radicalmente: esas expresiones son propias de un protestante. La misa en latin no es para entenderse.

@David Phillips I know brother. I told we have one faith in a comprehensive sense. Both of us have seven sacraments, 73 books in the holy Bible, Holy Mary's divine motherhood, her perpetual virginity, her assumption into heaven, and the holy mass, according to the Lord's teaching, "Do this in rememberence of me." And this is the true Christian faith. Actually Protestants are making a big mistake by denying these truths and they are not true Christians ,of course. Thanks.

The Tridentine Mass was codified in 1570, yes, but it is substantially the same as the 1472 (?) Missal and in fact all Roman Missals/Orders of Mass back to the Divine Liturgy of St. Peter in the first century.

I agree with you Paulo Padilla.

Paulo Padilla Finally a well thought out and well articulated KZfaq comment. i applaud you, sir.

well even in the orthodox liturgy they use an older version of language, greek, old church slavonic etc. the orthodox do not seem to have a problem with it, so why as catholocs should we want anything different?

I disagree. The parts of the Mass that are intended for the instruction of the faithful (the Bible readings and the homily) use the vernacular. But it is fitting that the part of the mass that is turned to God uses Latin, for it is a dead language, therefore its meaning can not change, and each word will always mean the same thing, which avoids variations, mistakes or even sacrileges or confusions . Today there are almost no illiterates, and the faithful can follow the translation through the Missal. All the older people I know are unanimous in saying that in the past there was more respect and piety in worship than today, even though they did not understand what was being said in Latin. With the Mass in Latin, the faithful could travel the whole world and would always find the same prayers, the same gestures, the same piety, and prayed in the same language. Now each episcopal conference is responsible for translations. Sometimes countries with the same language pray the Mass with different translations.

That is what the parishes of the True Orthodox Church in the Philippines are doing. Makes sense, I'd say.

Using vernacular language is a destruction to the liturgy Latin is a sacred language in order the church might hold till the end of times it needs a language which is universal and none vernacular tongue can match. Latin is the most beautiful language and also Greek too both are beautiful liturgies preserved in the only Holy apostolic church. And also Gregorian Chants look beautiful only in Latin using it in any vernacular tongue destroys the spirit of sacredness and it's true meaning so also the mass.

@@christusrex7865 Rome used Greek before Latin, so Greek is more traditional and sacred, Latin is vernacular.

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@Empire of Truto Not really if it doesn't represent the vast majority of the Roman Catholic experience. The Divine Liturgy is the norm in the Orthodox world no matter where you go. This isn't true of the TLM. The most common Roman Catholic expression of worship is the Novus Ordo. Therefore, the more fair comparison would be to show that as compared to the Divine Liturgy. I understand why you wouldn't want to do that, but that is the reality of the situation on the ground for the vast majority of Roman Catholics. The TLM is indeed beautiful, but Rome has all but discarded it in favor of a modernist Protestant inspired mass. The comparison is between the usual experience the average Orthodox or Roman Catholic Christian will experience on any given Sunday of the year.

@@justanotherlikeyou But our Novus Ordo is superior producing 1.2 Billion after Vatican 2....While the so called beautiful Eastern ORthodox Liturgy did not save the Church ,now Destroyed and in schism against Constantinople ,Ukraine and Alexandria and Russia.... "(Malachi 1:11) My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In 👉 every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD Almighty."

Modernism is affecting the Catholic Church please pray for us.

Because second altar in Temple and new sacrifices are predicted in Maccabean books :(

@@HelloHello8D always my bro.., the 'romans' were always our brothers.

Matthew Richards. its not about what the priest wears but rather the ancient and most beautiful rituals that came from the 1st christian.. aside from the fact that Novus ordo is destroying faith itself...

@JohnBelz Quite right, except primarily from the opposite perspective; it was invented to make Protestantism more accessible to Catholics. It was invented to convey an understanding and attitude toward the whole of life, not just the time spent in church, and that is exactly what it did, and that is why the NO faithful are much more tolerant of things like abortion than Trad faithful are. And FGB Dude: that makes a huge difference and it IS important, ABSOLUTELY. And that is merely on the moral level.

So then if no one should focus on what the priest wears why not wear more elaborate vestments?

I left the RCC when Borgoglio/Francis bowed down before Shamanic statue.

The Orthodox use icons

@Magnat And some Orthodox in communion with God use the western rite.

Sacramental Sojourner lol right on bruh...the Orthodox priest seem more macho with those beards too...

Never trust a man who wears lace, especially not with children. No joke.

Traditional latin mass is ancient and changeless as well.

I fail to see how it is unfair when neither group is being coerced into doing something it doesn't want to do and does, in fact, all the time, by choice.

What is the the difference, may I ask?

The Oriental Orthodox broke away from the rest of Christendom after the council of Chalcedon (hence the name Non-Chalcedonian) in 451. They disagreed with the theology which the rest of the Church agreed was the truth "it felt good to us and to the Holy Spirit" (the pronouncement at the end of each council), and refused to sign the document at the end of the council stating such. They use the liturgies usually of St. Mark / St. Cyril, St. Gregory, and St. Basil, whereas EO use primarily St. John Chrysostom, though also sometimes St. Basil (Lent), St. Gregory (Presanctified during Lent), St. James (on his feast day).

Same, they look majestic

JohnBelz I meant the Orthodox ones, they look majestic

Luckily the Tridentine Mass seems to be thriving in some parts of the world and there’s a good minority of people who retain it.

Sharaaratapoorn We don’t have Tridentine Masses here in Indonesia, all are Novus Ordo

Antonius Raja I believe they’d still be hard to find here in America.

Orthodox are schismatic so nothing to be proud of.

You are the Schismatics. Learn who started breaking off communion. Please, open a book. Besides, Roman catholic clown masses and pedophile priests are for sure nothing to feel proud about.

Catholics are heretics. And always they will be!

Isphanian Correction: 100% of Latins celebrate the Latin Mass. The novus ordo messes are not Catholic or Latin at all (see Quo Primum and canon 13 of the 7th session of the Council of Trent). They are protestantised ecumenical services.

JohnBelz True, but we must distinguish between what the Church does and what heretics posing as the Church do.

BMA SH Have you tried looking at the sspx district website of your country? Also, if you live in or near a large city, there should be at least one Latin Mass available.

@@mudkipx9052 Sedevacantism is HERESY! If you want real Traditional Latin Mass you should go to a SSPX parish, they're faithful to Rome and to the Pontiff, but also rejects Vatican II and follow the real tradition

I think it's about being more spiritual ik Christianity is relationship with god at the same time you had to be more spiritual to get closer

Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew so he celebrated the Eucharist according to the Hebrews custom. The Catholic liturgy, Latin or Byzantine, was developed by the Apostles and their successors keeping in mind the worship that the angels offer to God in the Heavenly Paradise, as shown Revelations. Songs, incense, obeisances, prayers, silence, all are attempts to offer on earth what angels offer to God in Heaven.

"How Christ Said the First Mass" by Fr. James Meagher.

East will need to accept the Filioque

@@brian5128 we must pray that it does :) amen

@@MusabNaveed and pray that they accept Florence as a true ecumenical council

@@brian5128 Sorry, but no.

@@rinwesley3092 accept the bull of Florence

The 1950s was certainly the low point in the development and expression of the western rite. It was so awful that it made the Novus Ordo look good to a lot of people, but that is not the while story of the liturgy. It is the extreme case.

That is why we have this crazy thing called a missal that has English translations and the order of the mass. The first thing I did when I started attending the Latin mass regularly was buying a missal.

@@thebucksreview8451 Yeah, I've got the Latin missal I was given when I made my First Communion, maybe when your parents were yet to be born. I am certain I attended more Latin masses than just about all of you guys and they were an abysmal spectacle, not worship. People who hear the mass in their language don't need a missal, they can understand what's being said. Just like the people who heard Jesus understood him.

Nice observation. What Evelyn Underhill described as the 'here and now' of Catholic piety. One would not denigrate it if it doesn't go too far.

@Miguel A Garcia Z but it’s not a sign, it doesn’t signify anything. The cross, yes, but you act as if the way in which he holds his hand has some grand theological significance. It doesn’t. And, that’s what I’m commenting on.

@Miguel A Garcia Z devotion to the “5 wounds of Christ” didn’t become mainstream in Latin Catholicism until the late Middle Ages, so it’s not quite as old as you seem to think.