question: when in there are 2-5 limpers and i am in the SB, how tight should my completing range be? should i fold any hands? or complete with any 2?

@robert2375 it depends how many limpers. If there's 4 or 5, you need to only pick hands that flop well multiway. Since you're only calling half a BB, you can usually justify it with the offsuit connectors (like 76o) and any somewhat decent suited hand (like 96s). Fold anything worse. With only 1 or 2 limpers, you can get in there with some high card gappers like K9o/Q8o too. Those hands do somewhat *okay* 3 or 4 ways but are pretty terrible 5/6 ways. Definitely not any two. You may be getting great odds, but you still wanna set yourself up for success postflop. Having too many junky hands OOP vs many players is not a winning situation.

@@robert2375 I over complete here, and then overfold and over Xraise on the flop. My logic here: I don’t like folding a flopped 2 pair for .5bb

@@johnnyboychess my question if about preflop... when in the SB and there are many limps.. what range am i completing with? Any 2 ?

@@robert2375 Mike answered your question just above

Can I ask what you are playing? 5-10? 10-25? Thx and good luck Gary

Just got into the lab and got through your moving on from the 4 categories module. Feels like I'm completely relearning the game from the ground up. Thank you for the awesome content and I hope it turns around for you on the felt!

@garyblackwoodpoker How can i reach out to you in regard to live cash game coaching for 1/2 & 1/3?

@@spacecadetsMia unfortunately I’m not doing any coaching right now :(

@@jdw1521 love this ❤️❤️

great comment

Very applicable episode for Lodge 1/2! Hope it helps Michael (great name btw)

I don’t play at the lodge but I play a lot of super splashy deeply 1/2 1/3 with match the stack. Here’s how I crush it: keep your rfi sizing the same-somewhere between $6-$8. Overfold the bottom of your range to a 3 bet, and 4 bet more frequently. What I find is a lot of players will tell you exactly what they have when they 3 bet you. They’re not thinking your range is UTG and that’s just a standard raise size… they see $6 and think (weak raise, weak hand) therefore I’m gonna 3bet this KTo, Axo. When coming into a pot with 3-4 players, raise big when you choose to enter. I typically go 2.5-3x of what’s in the whole pot. Say I’m sitting in the cutoff with AJo and UTG opened to $15, and LJ and MP called- we’re going to $80-$115 for value. However, we’re folding hands like J9o, Q8o even though we have enough equity 5 way to get it.

Yo Michael! See you at the tables

It’s very loose. 4th time ever playing live was at the lodge and the 1/2/5 PLO was playing like a 5/10…was out of my depth on the bomb pot situation and got stacked for a buyin.

Good luck dude !

that's great to hear, thanks for listening

thanks for listening/watching! I like those shorts too. We post those on Tik Tok and Instagram as well if you happen to use those platforms.

Appreciate you watching Red!

hey there, thanks for watching

Really interesting beep choice from our editor

you can size up a little in early position as well, just don't go so big that you disincentivize 3-bets.

I would still recommend betting smaller overall because you are 4 or 5 ways, but if you have bottom set on K65 vs 3 complete droolers you can certainly get away with betting bigger.

think you may have misheard. We explicitly say to raise bigger with the good hands, and the min-raise was just an example because Gary knows some great live pros who do that at high stakes (we don't recommend that at lower stakes...MAYBE if you're playing 25/50 or something you can min-raise but even then, 2.5x probably better).

Short answer is they can be quite good, but the reverse implied odds are a strike against them. You can often hop in a multiway pot with a hand like 76s, but you gotta be cautious in certain spots where being over-flushed is relatively likely.

Thanks!

Really depends on the game. Their video is a fair guideline but you always have to adjust to your game and players. Like in my games I see players limping behind limpers with AA/KK which is absolutely mind blowing. Why? We have a high hand promo and they are trying to hit quads despite the math not being remotely close to correct for their play. You just have to pick the guys that never fold to 3b AA and those that don't to bluff 3b with less. Realize your image as well. I do really well at low stakes 1/2, 1/3, 2/5. I don't need to or care to play 5/10. Plenty of bad players at low stakes. If another me sat down and started doing their adjustment strategies I would have a hard time figuring out me. It would take a lot of time to do so. I have to make the connection that me(2) is as good as I am, doing the same thing for the same reasons, and not mixing it up against me-me. But many players in 2023 pick up on things. So if they constantly think you have it as a nit exploit that. They always think I have it so on occasion I bluff in spots where my range shouldn't hit the board and any good player would see through it. Like a raised pot where I have position and it went XBC, XX, X(on me now and I bet the 4 straight) on a board of 72546. Very rare but many of these guys just don't think that I shouldn't be betting that board as the preflop raiser. They zero in on "he must have 88". Be fluid in your thinking.

Did we say that? I would say in general the super nitty people do get sniped as a nit and get less action as a result. That said, I think people who 3-bet only a little less than they should won't get picked up on.

It's both because we can get more value and we don't have to worry about getting exploited on river. If I knew the guy was never gonna call the turn with worst (extreme example that is obviously untrue) I'd never bet K9 on the turn.

@@mbradycf thank you

Yes it caps your range + makes it very defined. But the whole point here is that you're doing so against players who won't do anything about the fact that your range is capped/defined. Overlimping in late position even with a good player behind seems fine.

If say it is 1/2 a blind or less and a limped pot your limping range is huge in a multiway pot. Say 4 players limp, you are SB, you are now getting at a 1/2 game 11:1 to play your hand. You can pay the $1 with any suited hand, 0 gap connector, etc, etc. Think of it this way. You are paying $1 with a crap hand you need to make 40:1 on to be +EV. Can you make $40 in a pot that is already $11 in this situation? But in a raised pot you should be 3b or folding.

you can for sure complete in the small blind when it's limped to you. I do that somewhat liberally -- I'll throw in the extra 0.5BB with 86o, K2s, etc. Basically anything connected and/or suited (while of course raising the really good/playable hands like AQo QJs etc). As far as calling opens in the SB, I'd be pretty careful with that unless there's a very passive weak player in the big blind. You can get away with it a little bit but it's such a crappy spot to be OOP to multiple players, gotta be very selective.

@@FuzzypupPoker adding on if the bb is passive you can do slam dunk call in the small blind, if small blind is semi competent and squeezes limpers I wouldn't limp behind a lot

You want to limp from the SB with hands that can make straights or flushes. Fold the off suited 2 and 3 gapers.

@@bookedroomer That is correct. If you have a squeezer in the BB even if he squeezes 15% of the time you simply can't limp in with suited trash. Your equity is below average there and his occasional squeeze makes your limp a little -EV. Hands like Axs or 87s are fine because despite that he squeezes say that 15% you have enough equity to still be profitable for the times he doesn't. Funny I was going to disagree with you but then I decided to run a scenario in Equilab with 4 limpers getting 11:1 with a hand as bad as 72s and then calculated the 15% squeeze and you are correct. Then I put in Axs and 87s which are over 16.5% equity and can withstand the occasional squeeze.

Those hands you listed are all indeed incredibly profitable calls because they all play great multiway. The mistake is calling with hands like K8o, A5o, Q8o etc which don't play well multiway.

@@mbradycf Mike Brady, how's Carol? Okay dumb 80's joke. I wish you guys could of went onto squeezing in these soft games . Thx though

@@MaximusMerideus squeeze with good hands that have great playability! We'll cover it more in depth in the future.

@@mbradycf Thx for reply. I will follow that advice when I go play at Hard Rock Tampa. Thx for all the videos and I look forward to the squeezing vid. You guys have great chemistry and I'll watch anything you two put out-

@@mbradycf 100% agree

Check this article out for a detailed explanation: upswingpoker.com/snowball-winnings-bad-poker-players/

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I think squeezing might have to be a whole episode!

Great point about squeezing. I advocate a short, 40BB starting stack with (nitty) squeezing in loose games, especially in capped games with pre-existing monster stacks (no match the stack). Big stacks will open/call huge PF raises (~10BB), so squeezing with 40BB is easy, as-is calling-off 40BB when appropriate.

@xxxYYZxxx short stacking in games like that is so good. You basically get to play a different game that none of the big stacks can play without sacrificing EV vs the other big stacks

@@mbradycf Mike, I never short stack and kinda hate playing against short stack players who only buyin short but I do see the value. How would you advise someone from 2-5 who usually plays 300bb deep that wants to shot take in 10-25 or even (5-10 game that plays bigger)? Thx

@@MaximusMerideus All bankroll considerations equal, I'd base it on the table. If a bad player is 200bb deep, I'd buy-in the 200bb. But say all the bad players are 100bb deep and only the good players have 200bb+, it wouldn't be as good to buy-in deep because you're only getting to play deep vs the good players. Of course, you may just not want to risk $5K by buying in for 200bb. In which case you should buy-in what you're comfortable with -- the worst thing you can do is buy-in for so much that you feel uncomfortable/handcuffed and play worse as a result.

did someone say The Lodge?!

Pretty sure Gary says the 3rd/4th pair value bets are for the block size (i.e. betting small OOP on the river). Of course it's entirely board and action dependent.

what needs to be fixed?

Hey, can you clarify this please? Any timestamps?

@@garyblackwoodpoker He didn't get the J4 joke.