Use your lawns!!!

Amazing place north of San Fran has the same thing. The New Democrats are authoritarians - they took it and built houses for “diversity.”

Yea lions and wolves “take” to live too…😉

I was thinking the same thing. We want to see the progress :3

Definitely!

Pigs dont gift them selves to eat....so pl dont make excuses for your painful killings. TRY BEING A VEGETARIAN ...ITS LOVELY.I wrote in here coz My comment box did not open. Regards Alok

Alok Ulfat I thought the same thing! No animals "gift themselves". I'm no longer a hypocrite myself, I became a vegetarian 10 weeks ago. I'm healthier for it and have a clear conscious since I'm no longer supporting slaughter houses by eating meat.

Chris McKinley yeah! eat lots of fruits and veggies! :D I've been raw vegan for 3 years and I feel fantastic. People no longer need to eat animals

Agreed. However, check out Allan Savory TED lectures on KZfaq for optimum use of grasslands of which the USA has large regions. Remember, at one time, North America carried some 60 million bison on healthy grasslands.

you are a moron, you have no energy to do what needs to be done, you live off others labor, you are a waste, quite eating that poor bacteria and FEED some by dying already

Do you intend to eat the grass?

Pigs will eat food waste, which is kinda handy if you think about it.

Compost the food waste. Permaculture

Yes absolutely. Maybe a good example could be Justin Rhodes who is also from North Carolina

I believe the "living like it's 2050" title comes from the reference for a need to shift to lower green house gas emissions by 2050. I think they simply meant that in 2050 this type of operation should be the norm if we don't want to face unstoppable climate change.

Jeremy Payne Aha! I went back and watched the video again. I'm following you. Thank you for helping me out there. It still seems as though they are making it seem as though these are innovative thoughts with the Transformation Town thing. People used to live like this. I don't really think I agree with the man named Tim though. He said something about the majority of people living in large cities and rural land be operated like his property, the Pickard Mountain place. I think that in order to save time, have fresher foods, and cut down on the use of fossil fuels in production, people that have any kind of property available to them should have a garden, some chickens, a milking goat, and fruit trees. Even if these people live in the city...community gardens. Aquaponic centers. Even if it's a concrete lot...raised beds. It's a matter of getting people on board with caring for these animals, responsibly collecting rain water, getting dirty and maybe even pulling on some goat teats. But the reality is...people are too hmmm...what's the word...selfish? No. Wussy-fied? No. Detached! That's it! Before we started homeschooling our kids, the boys would occasionally get a carton of milk at school with snack or maybe I forgot their green tea (yes, I would use a refillable container and brew them tea every morning and put in their lunches)...anyhoo...they'd try to drink the "manufactured milk" (that's what the boys call it) and gag. Or they'd just give it away and the kids would be like "what? is there something wrong with it?" And they'd explain that manufactured milk tastes so gross compared to fresh goat milk and the kids would be like EWWWW! You drink goats milk?!?! Oh my gosh you touch a goat's titties???? EWWWWW! ....but wait....I've gotten nearly the exact same reaction from adults...some even older than me. People are detached. But in reality, the way our population is growing, these detached people need to get over it and reconnect with their food. And the earth.

You're certainly right. We need a shift towards a more self sustaining system.

This is just subsistence farming, with a few little perks like solar and wind power. Backbreaking work all day and you hope the land will yield enough food to let you live another year, plus maybe a little extra to trade for things you cannot produce yourself. And even if they become food-independent, which I doubt they will, if the bad times they predict do come to pass, they will be wiped out by the first wave of starving city dwellers who come boiling out of the city when the grocery store shelves are empty.

thesupermom1975 People didn't always have glass, solar cells, wind turbines,batteries, or the knowledge to use them and how to build houses to heat and cool themselves. This knowledge was known by some few, different items of it, but in the past it was mostly brute forced by manual and animal labor and burning wood. We can do MUCH better now with the whole new collection and dissemination of knowledge.

Benificent Millipedius Congrats!!!

+Benificent Millipedius looking for kindred spirits?

where is your new farm?

+Bilbo B Yes

+TheHarpo420 The Land of Enchantment . (google it)

+VirFortunaeLucisque Are you a jew? :-))

This is exactly what I was thinking - wonder how much of the "group love" sugar dady's getting....

Except that most of the people in the new going back to the earth are not young kids but rather middle class adults with families, who are at least trying to save the world even if it's an uphill battle. So, Timmy, what are you doing to try to make the world better?

1caramarie well missy, I actually do what they are pretending to do. If this (sustainable movement) is going to work, we have to make it mainstream, it can't be viewed as another hippy counter culture movement. It has to be real people making real improvements that can be translated into affordable and accessible food for everyone.

Well, Timmy, I guess you are out of the loop, because it's not another hippy counter culture movement, when "real" people with families are the ones that are doing it. Just because you watched a video with some nutcases, including one who "manages" a farm and acts surprised when the guy says she manages the farm, especially since she does even know her "bugs". I sell at a small farmer's market with a very low few for the members (how does $3.00 a week sound), which results in very low prices for the customers, lower than the local grocers INCLUDING the local Walmart. Where nearly everyone uses organic methods but can't afford to be certified organic because that is expensive. And where we trade with each other. That seems affordable and accessible food for everyone, including the local food pantry that often gets what is left after the market closes. Then there is the business that allows us to set up for free (which explains the fee) and the owner who now is growing the vegetables he sells in his small restaurant. I suggest you actually read and research before assuming that you are somehow different and superior to the rest of us. How much affordable food do you provide to anyone asides from you?

1caramarie well, missy, I was replying to this video, I know of the real people out there, maybe you should stick to the subject at hand.

Yep. Just like plants

+cmb271 That is true and that is why most people in the usa are obese; dying of cancers and diabetes and other aliments. They are TOO LAZY to do simple research even with the answers at their finger tip.

+HongrySheep The causes for that are mainly lack of exercise and lack of a balanced diet which may include meat if the person wants to.

It's all about the #NonAggressionPrinciple

If humans didnt have guns theyd be dinner in a heartbeat. I dont consider that being top of anything. Maybe over some smaller non threatening species. But most larger animals we kill for food, def not. You dont need meat to survive l. Want and need are very different. Idc if u eat meat but a facts a fact. Thousands of people have lived longer lives by not consuming dairy and meat . but yes COMBINED with some form of "exercise"

You are obviously not a scientist. Do some math and it will tell you there is only 4 acres of land for every person on earth... considering that half of the earths land is not suitable for agriculture that leaves each member of earth with only 2 acres to grow food on, that is of course meaning that there is no left over land for forests to grow... Eating meat takes up an extreme amount of land compared to a plant based diet. It takes 5 acres of land for a single cow to pasture on... Theres just not enough land on earth for everyone to eat meat. By doing so you limit the supply of food and drive up the costs of land so that other people are forced not to eat... In simple terms: by eating meat you are forcing other people to starve, that. Is scientific fact... BTW you should know this: animals eat plants, and they retain all of there tissue from eating plants... That means that humans can retain all the same nutrients from eating plants that an animal can, (of course excluding B12, but you can supplement it of course... I HOPE that you are now more educated about this because there was a time when I thought like this too... There are solutions however (bear with) there are new technologies in the field of agriculture that would allow us humans to eat meat without slaughtering an animal (also known as In-vitro meat/lab grown/cultured meat) this is done in the same way normal meat is made, except outside an animal: this is done by growing animal cells in a nutrient tank and growing them into tissue... The meat also contains no cholesterol or trans-fat and you wouldn't have to kill helpless little animals...

I was actually thinking the same thing, my garden is a quarter that size and very full of lush growing food ( and I live in the suburbs!). These look sparse and unattended. I get the idea, but this farm looks like it came from the past, not the future. You can live on a few acres and produce alot of food and yet enjoy a thinking active life without dropping down to small huts with wood stoves, my goodness they have an electrical supply, they should use it!. Who buys the grains for those animals anyway in their bare ground little fenced in areas? Perhaps the manager should think more about work than eating the pigs.

I don't know where you two live, but here in North Carolina, there wouldn't be much sense cultivating the greenhouse in the summer months unless you want to cook your vegetables while they're still on the plant. Plus, you would not want to work in a greenhouse in summer in North Carolina summers' heat and humidity. Also, it's apparent that this was shot in late summer, when a lot of the plants in North Carolina will have already been harvested and areas just about ready to be prepared for fall crops.

Andrew Ovenden Yes, that must be the difference because the only thing that lady was raising to eat was those pigs...and why not film at harvest time to show the 'bounty'. I'm still not impressed with this 'look at me' video...no matter where the locale...

Well, I just don't get the criticisms here. The video was not produced by the farm's owners, Since this is just one snapshot in time, why not ask the filmmaker why she didn't call ahead to ask if the farm was all spruced up and ready to show its best side. Besides, which "harvest time" do you want? This is quite apparently not a monocrop farm, so some crops will have been harvested prior to others. I just googled the place and some of the other available videos and images show the place in a much more verdant state.

Andrew Ovenden Wow, didn't mean to butt-hurt ya. I do live in a *very* lush climate compared to this shit hole, I said that's must be why, geesh.

***** Nothing wrong with vegans. Steve's point is that many non-vegans might become discouraged by the very strict vegan lifestyle. I personally choose to eat meat, but only if it's 100% organic and sourced from animals fed non-GMO grains. When I don't have access to meat during business travels, I revert back to vegetarian for several months at a time.

***** Erroneous analogy, the people that eat meat want to eat meat, they don't want to jump off a bridge and die. How stupid is that?

Yeah cool.. I couldn't give up bacon... good to see.

***** More subjective nonsense.

***** Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery, thank you.

+Living Lightly A wild vegetarian popped out of the grass. First, at least start a community like this. Then teach. But often the case is those that can't do end up teaching.

Starting a community like this requires a lot of money. Should opinions or concerns be limited to the rich? (That doesn't include animals, which your previous comment leads me to believe is fine with you).

While you are correct, you do understand that animals won't be treated like pets in the wild, that they live short and often sickly lives, endure more hardship than well-treated farm animals, etc.? I'm not sure what kind of future you guys are imagining.

AGPMAndavel where did you read/hear that plants feel pain more intensely than animals??

If you think eating plants is the same as eating a sentient being then you are completely ignorant. Plants do not have a central nervous system. Obviously you are in the category of "people like to hear good things about their bad habits". You do not need to eat animals to survive, duh, that's so old. If you give a shit about the environment and not the animals, that should be enough reason to STOP EATING ANIMALS!

Yeah, its sort of like that, except for the automobiles with internal combustion engines, and solar panels, and wind turbines, and modern metal fencing, and also modern greenhouses with electric exhaust fans... but other than that, just like 3500 b.c.

+VirFortunaeLucisque Oh, silly me. I assumed that because I was leaving a comment on KZfaq, which no wolf or any other 4 legged creature I know of has access to, that I was speaking in terms of what humans need to eat. But hey why stop at what the wolves eat? Let's just stop wearing clothes because we have body hair too right? Instead of buying things, let's just piss all over it so when people smell it they will know who it belongs to. Why they hell have we been wasting our time with knives cutting our food and using fire for cooking? Wolves don't do that so neither should we right? Wait...why single out wolves? Should I go ask a termite how it sustains itself eating wood? Or maybe ask a plant just how in the world I'm supposed to turn this sunlight into energy? We have brains that allow us to use things like logic and feel things like compassion. As far as I know, we are far advanced in these areas as compared to a wolf. Maybe it's time for you to start behaving like a human and not a dog.

+Sheraton Welch You already do that with your clothes on! It is called Colonialism! Works well until the ants start biting !

+ZS6JMP No you Idiot, climate change is urgent because the science backing it up says so, and government doesn't care about climate change they care about lining their pockets with money from big oil, and big oil clearly doesn't care about climate change.

Jeremy Hall Horse shit. The scientists are constantly changing their terminology to fit he unfolding lie. First they called it global warming. Oh then a small fact, stuck a stick in that lie. Because it wasn't getting warmer. Then they changed it to climate change. OH wow. Who can deny the climate is changing. Its changing every fucking day and normal people refer to it a weather. Climate change is nothing more than people control. Starve people out of energy, and you can herd them around like sheep. You want to pay your cool air taxes, oh , sorry, I meant calm weather taxes, then fill your deluded boots.

No! The folks in New Orleans told us so! The farmers in Sugarlot Mississippi told us so! Some White Farmers in Kenya told us so! So be a hard head by yourself!

+ZS6JMP Only the n your stupid Monsanto Mind Son Folks in India saw through your so called fact and threw Monsanto and you climate deniers out! Pseudo Science equals payed off fact s!

ThePoacherz What did they tell you? That weather happens? WOW! Amazing. So pay up. Give your offering to the cool air gods, and all will be ok. Just dont pay too much, as some places are actually fucking freezing. See you fucktards have actually dreamed up the perfect tax. Yes Johny, empty your wallet because weather os happening.

Meat is important to good health.

Pigs are not capable of emotions.

you hit the nail on the head Debra

Just say when and where

Stefano Buttò that meat most likely feeds others too tho, they profit off selling the meat. if you just let them keep breeding they will over populate.

Livestock is a waste of land and a waste of life.

***** rubbish, incisors arent for salad.

Stefano Buttò bacon tastes too good. Sorry not everyone likes what you like. Some people actually are omnivores.

nLevensgenietertje So I guess both of you have never had a burger before.

Patricia BrennanOMERGERSH STAHP!

That won't stop animals from eating other animals. Why is eating animals only a sin, in your view, if man is the one doing it? YHWH, the Holy God of Israel and Most High God, said we could eat meat in this fallen world. Creator makes the rules (and it is suppose to make you sad; they're doing it because of something our ancestors invited into the world: animals didn't even eat each other in the Garden of Eden-they would eat green things i.e. Genesis 1:30, while we ate every seed bearing plant i.e. Genesis 1:29). • _Genesis __1:29__-30 (NIV)_ 29 _Then God said,_ _“I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it._ _They will be yours for food._ 30 _And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground_ - _everything that has the breath of life in it_ - _I give every green plant for food.”_ _And it was so._ Everyone use to be vegan in the non-cursed earth. All this changed after man invited sin and death into the world and got kicked out of Eden. Environment change, diet change. Eating meat is not necessary for survival, but it is acceptable while we're living in cursed conditions, with death in the world. So the people in this video, and elsewhere on the planet, can eat meat if they so choose. It is not evil. (I personally am not a fan of meat, but I do consume chicken eggs, as my body gets out of whack without an animal protein). What I do disagree with is their choice of animal to feast on. YHWH has clean/unclean distinctions with respect to the human diet. People who ignore his laws are doing so at their own risk. Or they're just not aware of what those laws are. He prohibited certain animals for our own good-and quite possibly the environment's own good too. • _Isaiah __66:17__ (NIV)_ 17 _“Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens,_ _following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs,_ _rats and other unclean things_ - _they will meet their end together with the one they follow,”_ _declares the Lord._ • _Leviticus __11:47__ (NIV)_ 47 _You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean,_ _between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.’”_ • _Deuteronomy __10:12__-13 (NIV)_ 12 _And now,_ _Israel,_ _what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God,_ _to walk in obedience to him,_ _to love him,_ _to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul,_ 13 _and to observe the Lord’s commands and decrees that I am giving you today_ *for your own good* ? He even has commands over harvesting from fruit trees so that they be bountiful (Leviticus 19:23-25) and concerning land sabbaths (Leviticus 25:1-7) which would benefit us and the land. May YHWH teach them and all in the transition movement to love his instructions, and bless all those who heed his warnings. And may he bring his knowledge to those who've never tasted it before, so they can propsper. In Jesus' name, so be it. (´｡• ᵕ •｡`) ♡

Patricia Brennan, why do you eat plants? Poor plants, they wanted to live a happy life and you kill them! After all, what's the difference between a plant and a pig, they all are living things after all, you callous soul.

Patricia Brennan Trees and plants are living things as well. When you harvest your viggies, that is also killing a living plant. Just saying it's easy to point the finger. Maybe you should think about focussing your anger on the oil companies that will kill thousands,hundreds of thousands of animals with one oil spill. Those creatures can not be eaten.zero good comes from those deaths.Yeah, but you probablydrive a car or have an oil or gas heating system, or own something made of rubber or simply mass produced in an oil powered plant somewhere so that would be hipocritical too. This farmer could be doing much worse. Live and let live. The world would suck if every one was just like you. Or just like me for that matter.

If your farm is well set up, drought and parasites shouldn't be an issue (mulch, functional diversity, layering...). Totally agree with keeping animals, I just don't see the need for eating them (especially in this case if she doesn't enjoy it). There are many easier/suffering free ways to create a revenue on a farm.

Much like 4-H kids have been doing doing for a century; raise an animal, compete in a show, sell it for meat.

Missy - you are part of the problem, one for which there is no solution. I'm sure you enjoyed looking - as most lesbians do. Sorry to burst your bubble - but 50 years ago was MUCH better than where we are today.

***** I'd like to see you in a pen; see how you like shitting where you eat and living your whole live in a space the size of the room you're sitting in now. The fact that industrial farming is horrible does not justify treating animals badly. I don't have my dog in a pen all day. PS: humans are also animals.

***** You do realize you're trying to justify unnecessary pain, right? Would you like to live in such conditions? Hey, at least you're fed and free from predators, right?

***** They eat horses in France and dogs in Hong Kong.

***** Here Here. The animals have plenty of room and are rotated regularly. If I were a pig, I could go for that lifestyle. Plopping round in mud all day, being fed well, then one day, meeting my demise and living forward through my human captors. It wouldn't make me upset because I'd always have a full belly and plenty of mud. People are far too sensitive. Stick to what you love and stop bothering others. agun17

***** What is the purpose of telling us this anecdote?

+Farmer Nate I would suggest doing a little research on the way the meat and dairy industry is actually effecting the planet. Do you really think cows and other animals would reproduce at their current rate of we weren't artifially insemanating them? Did you know it takes 660 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef? If the entire world went vegan it would decrease land used for farming. You are pretending we live in a world where every animal here, is here by natural causes. They aren't.

Sheraton Welch Factory farming is bad for the environment. Free range meat farming is beneficial to the environment. I would know, considering I have a college degree in Agriculture and am a free range farmer.

+Farmer Nate I think if people did their research, they would realize that the negatives that are contributed to by eating meat HUGELY out-way the positives. On top of that the idea that we are "omnivores" is hugely debatable, if you look at all the physical aspects of the human body they resemble all herbivores the most (teeth, intestine, jaw movement, acidity of the stomach). So we need to consider not only what is good for the environment but what is actually the natural diet of a human being.

+Dara O'Hara We don't! My sister also read about the dangers of eating graibs!My other sister warns me about eating any sugar! You have books and research ! They have books and research!I have a doctor reminding me that I no longer have a gall bladder! So I did my research! You are Wack Cray Cray!

Hope you achieved your dreams!