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warlock and hunter: uses entire keyboard titans: falcon... PUNCH!

If they do nerf lucky pants, I hope it's specifically to crack down on exotic swapping. It's a really fun playstyle that would be a shame if it got nerfed to hell like Young Ahamkara's Spine.

we absolutely need a testing room where we can apply buffs and debuffs, modifiers and things like -5/-10/-15/-20 power levels etc to see how builds will perform in different situations

The way Edge Transit just chunks the health everytime 💀

Rule of thumb on kinetic surges for Izi and the like: The difference between two surges and three surges on your heavy is equal to 5% of its non-surge output, whereas the first kinetic surge is 10% more on Izi. So if at least a third of your damage (BEFORE SURGES) from the rotation comes from your kinetic weapon, then 1/2 is optimal. The reason that's the breakpoint is that it's the point where Izi is doing half as much of your damage as your heavy, so a 10% buff to one-third of the damage is equal to a 5% buff to two-thirds of the damage. The breakpoint will be a little different if you're testing with three surges already and considering a 2/1 split, because that drop from 122% on your heavy to 117% on your heavy is smaller. Less certain on that one offhand. You may also want to consider things like activity- and boss-specific factors (surge/overcharge on the activity, Kalli and Shuro's increased crit multiplier), as well as your own crit rate consistency unless you have someone in the fireteam who really likes Div.

Edge transit changed so much in the meta is insane

Explosive payload is actually only a 4% buff on snipers because the higher the weapons crit multiplier, the lower of a damage boost EP will give, since it only boosts the base body damage by 15% before taking into account the crit multiplier. So for Handcannons it’s a 10% buff, scouts get an 8% buff and snipers are the worst at 4%

Hi, Mr Llama, I'm suing you for emotional distress. My hunter-main friend has had his whole life shattered now that Stasis is apparently worth more than just shatterskating. I will see you in bird court! (also, thanks for the amazing refreshers!)

Awesome info. thanks for breaking it down, and showing rotations in practice and action. I’ve never understood load-out optimization, and only realized it was a thing when another player made me look like it was my first day in a vanguard strike. I just soloed Whisper for the first time yesterday and was wondering how the heck other players out class me sooo much, and now it makes sense. I’ve definitely got some farming to do for weapons, but that is the easy part once you know how to build a load out.

Huge props on this video! Well put together, explained thoroughly without making it too complicated. Definitely earned my sub 👍

This is exactly the kind of video I’ve been looking for in general. Build videos and loadout suggestions are helpful but when it comes to actually carrying out a solid damage rotation, that’s the details I’m lacking. Please do a similar video showing maxing DPS on Pantheon bosses. Would leave to compare what I do for bosses like Golgy, Caretaker and Planets to really max out dps

Ive been trying to find a video like this for days. Thank you!

Awesome vid, and nice credit to chicken, he has some awesome damage rotations

Very interesting and informative video! Was NOT expecting that final build with hunter😁😁 Gonna have to give it a shot with gerthy numbers like the ones in the vid😅😅 Thanks again for such an awesome and informative video, Llama😁👍

2.6 almost on the dot. 3.2 as well! Way to hit the nail on the head. You really do know Greg very well

how convenient, I was looking for something like this earlier today lol great vid as always bro

This was amazing; I've been really curious on how to use strand warlock and titan for max dps. Couldn't have been nore clear and concise. Thank you!

for the stasis hunter, its also good to add in whisper of durance whisper of durance extends the super and grenade duration so that you keep that small damage buff when the target is frozen for your shotgun and edge transit (i think its like 5% until the shatter happens) another small optimization is to run star eater scales and swap to lucky pants during your super cast, but its not very necessary as your super damage isnt really the reason to be on revenant in the first place overall a pretty good breakdown of what makes these dps strategies really really strong, and im sure a lot of people will appreciate it

Thanks you for this, exactly what I’ve been looking for.

"you may not like it, but this is what peak dps loadouts look like."

For edge transit rotations all ur surges should be on void, ur doing about 3x more dmg with edge per mag than u are with Izzy so it helps more to buffs edge’s dmg as much as possible as opposed to buffing edge & Izzy’s dmg

That was so nice to watch! Maybe you could do a different video on the easiest yet most optimal damage rotations on all classes.

On Banner of War: I'm expecting if it gets nerfed at all, they're going to hit One-Two Punch. That perk has broken things several times previously, and I don't think Banner of War is particularly out of line without it. It's also got a ton of really weird and complicated interactions under the hood: it's a 100% damage buff, that increases to 150% against bosses and vehicles with a specific subset of abilities (including Grapple and Combination Blow and unpowered melees), that doesn't work with at all with a different subset of abilities (mainly projectiles like Throwing Hammer--that used to be a thing too!--but also apparently Thunderclap for some reason), that also has really specific nerfed-stacking interactions with Stasis' freeze, Liar's Handshake, and a couple other things I don't remember offhand. I really wouldn't be shocked if that's nerfed at least in part as an excuse to simplify it. I also don't think I want Banner of War DPS to be killed off entirely. It's incredibly unique as one of the few very good damage strategies that basically doesn't rely at all on heavy ammo. That, like Lucky Pants, makes it an excellent choice in activities where ammo might be a struggle (remember Contest Caretaker? basically no valid Aeon targets and a ton of health to chew through). I don't think it's fun to potentially lose a contest mode raid because of ammo RNG, so I think having options like those in the game is good to some extent because it lets you play around that. Basically: sure, BoW DPS is too much right now, but I get the sense a lot of people are asking for nerfs that would go way too far, especially given the state of the other Titan subclasses right now (Sunbreaker is also very good, albeit reliant on Pyrogales to keep up with the boss damage meta; and then the other three are barely in consideration unless propped up hard by the artifact). Considering Prismatic Hunter is going to have Combination Blow, Grapple, and Synthoceps all at once, that's also got a lot of ridiculous potential provided the survivability is accounted for (from a teammate with Well of Radiance for instance). Basically the options I see are: 1. You nerf 12P; 2. you nerf Grapple Tangle duration to not be infinitely refreshable (so you do grapple DPS for like 10-15s, pop regular melees, pop super, then maybe a second Navigator point if you need it--or have a teammate provide it); 3. you nerf grapple damage directly (which I think would make it too weak when 12P is not a factor); 4. you nerf BoW survivability again (which I don't think is needed, it's in a decent place).

Great video - the hunter stasis was a blow your socks kind of rotation, had no idea!

This is great information as a newer player (about 3 months) i learned about how to rotate weapons and actually cycle not just edge spam

The fact that you predicted the damage numbers is scary! I hope you're good! Haha

regarding the persuader: my understanding of explosive payload is that it splits the base damage (bodyshot damage) and enhances the 50% explosive damage by 30% increased damage, meaning overall 15% increased bodyshot damage, which then is diminished by high precision damage multipliers, as is the case with snipers. that equates to a rough buff of the 15% divided by the precision damage multiplier, which for rapid fire snipes is about 3.5x i think. that would mean the total damage increase of explosive payload would only be about 4% thus my question if it would not be more beneficial to use the fugue with vorpal or even firing line instead, which can achieve the same handling stat as the persuader. or even using the borealis (or the frozen orbit) which also has 75 handling (FO can get that much, but is more finnicky with surplus or firmly planted)

As a warlock, after I asked about Persuader on the last video, I started looking at the other options. Father's Sins just doesn't have a good roll. 1000 Yard Stare and Frozen Orbit have pretty PvP centered perk pools (on top of being less effective DPS options). But we do also have the Fugue, which has auto-loading holster and vorpal weapon, and you can roll it with extended mag to get 7 in the mag. I know it's lower rpm, but is the bigger damage buff (5%, but still) enough to make up for the difference vs Persuader, and is being able to put a boss spec on Fugue vs no mod on Persuader enough to push it over the edge? Great video overall, I'm sending this to my day 1 squad. I know everything will probably change, as it always does going into a new year, but this is a great foundation to work on for the next month. Thanks for doing stuff like this, it's very helpful!

btw Llama u can decode that persuader sniper at the season of witch vendor, it can roll with perks like perfect float, rapid hit (1st column) & precision instrument, triple tap and high ground (2nd column)

I think Chicken also used 4th horseman in the hunter rotation for one of his vids. I tried it in week 1 pantheon and it cooked. Also worked pretty well in vog (tho most anything works well in vog). It's a lot of inputs and that makes my brain happy

Hey Llama great vid as always, Just wondering if substituting cloudstrike in the hunter rotation would be viable as an alternative to father’s sins?

thank you for time stamps and dim loadout links bro.

Overall, VERY good video thank you! I love that you covered alternatives too. My only criticism, isn't Cascade + Deconstruct better dps on Edge Transit than Cascade + BnS?

Thanks to this I now have receipts for the homies that doubt my stasis hunter build. Ty for all your work king! ❤

Have you thought of building a stareater scale revanent super and a hotswap to lucky pants? Might get it above Warlock by a good chunk. Also, throwing a duskfeild to prock freeze for WL dmg buff. Love the vids ❤

You have helped my PVE end game so much since i have returned to Destiny 2! Your videos are making me the lore accurate. Keep it up! Thank you for your hard work! I 'm sure you will blow up in final shape!

The apostate SR from the moon rotating boss also gets explosive payload in 4th slot while being able to get higher overall stats and an extra perk, or alternatively the twilight oath SR from dreaming city can get vorpal, so those might be options though they would probably require some farming unless u hoarded a roll already

A good spot I'd say to practice the navi+grapple+one-two punch is the Moon, Altars of Sorrow. Lots of enemies with decent health, and not a ton of damage themselves. While being a rather wide open area with very distinct paths the enemies will go through. Though, for the better purpose for actually learning against a boss of some type. The first boss of Prophecy is a nice test subject, though can be a bit annoying at times. Rather easy to make it to the boss arena as a strand titan, and the mechanics for a DPS phase aren't anything too difficult.

We always knew Bungie loves Titans

Extremely well made video good job

Definitely will be trying out the hunter and titan dps right now

That was perfect rotation btw super clean and impressive

You popped up on twitter and it a strange coincidence because i was working on redoing some loadouts. I like the strand one the most cuz snipers xD. But my dumb brain probably should've realize that this would be a loadout to use before rallying up.

W video. Could you by chance do a new mass DPS testing of LFRs, Anarchy, Lament, Acrius, rockets, GLs, etc

Hey dude i dont know if u read all comments but u can get a non sunset Persuader from the helm,"recovered red war weapons top right at the bench from season of witch" room in the middle/ back of helm

One question, is their a reason you didnt use thread of evolution on strand warlock when showing your build? love the content keep it up!

1:19 i've been using apostate for the same reason, explosive payload for the extra damage, but it also gets lead from gold to have that tiny bit more ammo

I appreciate you posting this video. I'm trying to get some friends into raiding, and while they can get mechanics down easily, they have trouble with dps sometimes. Maybe this will give them the edge they need. In regards to OG persuader, I unfortunately don't own one, however, I do have a High-Impact Void Sniper called Trophy Hunter with Vorpal weapon. Would this be serviceable in it's place, or would being a high impact cause a loss in dps?

Specifically for Persuader the new version actually gets rapid hit + Precision Instrument, which imo is just better / more optimal compared to Father's Sins for Cascade combos

I first learned about that Lucky Stasis setup from a channel called Chicken SI-2 about a year back. GLs were shit back then so it was actually with Bait Apex and Cartesian Coordinate instead. As for the hand cannon, Malf is weaker in a solo scenario but will instantly become much better than Warden the moment you're in a team and someone has Witherhoard on (which is very likelike because that gun is fairly commonly used)

Really appreciate this thanks

If you wanna get even more DPS off with the apex warlock setup, you CAN proc heat rises to get ANOTHER dodge. It just depends on how long the DPS phase lasts ofc

Thank you for not including seasonal mods. It has always been a pet peeve of mine to see "insane DPS!" videos where the strategy is only temporarily viable due to the inclusion of a seasonal mod.

I remember when I first tried grapple 1-2 punching, I thought it was so annoying to shoot the shotgun and melee in the same movement. Felt pretty dumb when I saw my first clip of a Titan properly shooting before the grapple. Such a powerful combo.

I remember I used to use stasis hunter for dps with the blink helmut, off of nick tews recomendation.

Love the4 creative Stasis Hunter rotations. I love weapon swapping because it is more of a challenge than holding down the Thundertrigger (no hate to the blueberries, i just think its lame). And the fact u are using Stasis to freeze which gives u more dmg and to reload ALL wepons is just Crazy. Loved it.

Izi + cascade point with no other sniper can actually work with rain of fire, since it will reload all weapons but still keep 4x honed edge. Shoot honed edge -> shoot regular izi shot -> reload izi -> cascade point -> icarus -> repeat would be the rotation, but I havent tested the numbers on it yet

The transmog on the hunter dim link is 🔥

necrotic grip + star eaters prismatic warlock with needlestorm should be a good prismatic setup. Also warlock is the only class that can get healing nade and woven mail so if the other fragments give us ember of empyrean we are cooking

Elite DPS. But good luck to most of the community getting to a boss damage phase with double snipers. And, have you ever had to DPS with a strand titan using one 2 punch, it’s so annoying. That lucky pants build looks nuts and usable.

This is such a cool video!

Great video here, quick question, how did you get your Transcendent Blessing mods? Thanks ^^

I'm loving that Necrotic is still on top for Warlocks! I've seen people do decent damage with Apotheosis Veil, but I'm guessing the ability spam isn't worth the lost weapon damage time. If I get an exotic class item with Necrotic's perk, I'm never taking it off XD

Lucky pants is only broken for quick swapping in my opinion. The best “nerf” imo is when a raid encounter starts it locks your load out

You're the first KZfaqr I've seen mention a possible Lucky Pants nerf. This had popped into my head recently too and I hope bungie leaves it be. It's a good exotic that I don't think it's op. Also, I hope Silence & Squall gets a damage buff. Pre Lightfall is used to stagger bosses consistently, but after the stagger changes it doesn't. So some more damage on it would be nice.

One note for Lucky Pants - if you're doing long range you NEED a warlock on Lunafaction. The damage falloff on both Warden's Law and Malfeasance start around 30m-33m and because they're hand cannons the damage drops almost immediately to half after that range. Also, you're really gonna want a Buried Bloodline or Indebted Kindness to use before you get to DPS. It's a night and day difference for making the build feel actually usable instead of a gimmick for youtube videos.

4:12 - I used it a long time ago, but does the Witherhoard+taken spec mod in the rocket (and fusion) still work? The damage bonus is bigger than with the Boss Spec mod (or it was a long time ago, although it might have been a bug)

I‘d have thought that GG with Nighthawk and Switch to Lucky Pants with Warden‘s Law (including GL B&S) would be best for Hunter. Thanks for the information.

Fyi for titan, you can use dead weight in energy class wiyh 1 2 punch to prevent having to switch loadouts

your warlock style is absolutely gorgeous, what is the chest piece you’re using?

i usually use persuader with keep away and precision instrument since it recently just came out in the season of the witch

Great video!! Would you happen to know how a celestial to lucky pants swap compares to stasis hunter?

I just wanna add for a close range option for wellocks is using a conditional/ mindbenders / apex rotation im pretty sure it outputs the most dps for any wellock build, but its kinda situational bc of the limited range ofc

To note, for wellocks you can also do apotheosis veil with solar grenades and touch of flame for some good damage right off a well pop

For the BoW Titan, they don't need to nerf the aspect, it's actually quite inoffensive(as in it does what it's supposed to, which is keeping you alive in melee range and giving you access to enough damage to deal with beefier targets) without the OTP/Grapple strat, they just need to nerf the Grapple melee uptime. One idea is to not refund the grapple if you hit something with the melee...or at least refund like half of it. That way you can still reset it for traversal, but not for an infinite melee combo, which is the crux of the issue here.

Would Frozen Orbit with Vorpal weapon be the best option in the energy slot? It’s a high impact so it’d do more damage in the 1 shot than the other void snipers

Its crazy that deconstruct can do a lot of damage to i used it it since it came out because kinda like bipod just more ammo economy and shreds certain bosses especially shreikers

If you got multiple titans doing the boss bake strat with 1 on tractor you might aswell get on parasite you get 1 big damage dump then you can buff the dmg of the shotgun obvs the sg isn’t the main dmg dealer but every little helps

4:30 When running Apex predetor You should always shoot the rocket first, then do your weapon swaps and by the time you switch back to Apex, reconstruction would have already refilled a rocket and you'll get 3 shots with the bait and switch buff instead of the 2 you demonstrated.

Most people aren’t gonna do this cause One: console(like me) weapon swaps aren’t that fast (even on series x) Two: if someone with RoF air dodges accidentally in front of someone, thats gonna be either a wipe or less damage. Three: as much as i wanna use strand warlock… im stuck on well. four: loadout swapping is probably gonna be unlikely for most people. Yes i know DIM exist but the loadout feature now is very good to save a build and use it for the whole run. Five: i haven’t put my banner of war titan on yet but that grappling strat, might need a high sensitivity for consistency for controller.

DPS? Who needs her? Titan punch titan happy 😁

Is there any chance you could do a video on what the top 3 or top 5 hand cannons would be to pair with Lucky Pants? That or if someone already knows, my friend suggested Maleficence but I'm wondering if theres a different weapon I should try and farm for since Warden's won't be coming up again this season.

For Warlock, I think it's worth mentioning that it may be beneficial to cast super first because of how much super energy you get by dealing damage. By doing it half way through as opposed to at the beginning you have reduced your super gain by 50%. Of course this does not matter if you are either one-phasing or are sure you will get super by next phase.

I think they could substantially nerf Banner by just making Wormgod not synergise with it. Banner will still be great for slaying out in normal content but it would gut its place as a free raid/dungeon solo pass for every boss.

Love that Llama guy, best in the Destiny KZfaq scene right now. Datto has nothing on you.

You can pop heat rises for another icirus dash for another reload

Wow you opened my eyes to Stasis Hunter DPS. I still won’t use it cause that subclass is horrible, but the damage is phenomenal

Wait, I just noticed the GOAT Jude aka Tomars in that damage test.

just a FYI there are plenty of snipers that can get explosive payload, Albruna-D, Apostate, Luna Regolith III, Uzume RR4. Also Albruna-D can not only get explosive payload it can get a dmg perk with it as well. it comes with firing line, frenzy, vorpal weapon.

Maybe this is the most blueberry question I can ask but, boss dps on a raid comes right after the mechanics, which requires a lot of ad clear and enemy density. How do you swap from potentially a primary/special /heavy loadout to a special/special / heavy dps loadout without loosing special ammo? Cause I don't think I can go around a raid mechanic with two snipers and a gl and survive for dps lol

Silly question, when running the solar warlock build... how do you actually clear stuff before damage phases? Do you swap your special weapon for something with primary ammo or? Because I mean presumably you need all the ammo you can get

Another cool thing with the stasis hunter rotation is that you can use lumina before damage starts and literally lose nothing.

Fuck yeah, super happy that Strand Warlock hit 3.2 mil. I knew I was onto something last night. Literally just have to change 2 fragments out and it'll match your build. For sure trying this after the update.

Oh damn, Revenant is shining now? I feel seen

I'm glad they game us the room of floating coasters to test dps with. Very useful bungo

Forgive me if I'm wrong but didnt you have the artifact mod active that increases damage against stasis/strand debuffed enemies while radiant? And you were using a well while using the builds for hunter warlock? 12:34

Which Pantheon bosses do you think these rotations are/will be effective on? Some of these feel like they’d be hard or impossible to execute well on bosses with frequent health gates (Caretaker, Zo’aurc, Golgoroth to a lesser extent)

For the solar warlock it’d probably be worth it to alternate wither shots on your target and on the floor depending on the boss ofc

If they nerf lucky pants they will have to increase star eaters dmg to 300% or brung back YAS, else basically almost everybody's fav class is gonna be unplayable