Loading the Russian Lomo UPB-1A Film Developing Tank: Plus So Much More!!

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Filmboy24

Filmboy24

3 жыл бұрын

This little tank is so easy to load once you get the hang of it. The bakelite material it's made from can be a little brittle and I can tell you from experience, they do break :(
#super8film #16mmfilm #LomoDevelopingTank
Link to Martin Baumgarten's Lomo Tank instructions:
www.filmkorn.org/super8data/d...

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@The11thPower
@The11thPower 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I’ve been thinking about grabbing a tank for home use for over a year now. This is probably 1 of the first current videos I’ve seen that breaks it down this clear. Thanks!
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and it really is rewarding to see the results of your own processing.
@sandrab8908
@sandrab8908 3 жыл бұрын
You are such a great instructor, so interesting and I really enjoyed watching and I learned a lot !
@maximf.5537
@maximf.5537 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial! Thanks.
@CarsonHolstine
@CarsonHolstine 3 жыл бұрын
I just got a Lomo tank today and this video was such a big help as well as your Kodachrome processing video. Thanks!
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Carson, enjoy your tank, but be careful...they're addicting!
@michaelb.5345
@michaelb.5345 3 жыл бұрын
Well done !!
@nawrasce
@nawrasce 9 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏼
@user-nr3de3oo7p
@user-nr3de3oo7p 3 ай бұрын
Very helpful.. Thank u❤
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate it!!
@davidwalls1212
@davidwalls1212 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I did it!
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
AWESOME!! I love hearing that, congratulations!!
@kikelozanotriana7763
@kikelozanotriana7763 2 жыл бұрын
a dream to me developed at home!
@sonvapritch
@sonvapritch 2 жыл бұрын
I just got my tank today! This video helped a lot. I’m using Guinness beer as a developer, which I’ve used successfully in the past, but I’m excited to develop in an actual tank rather than a bucket spaghetti-style
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, thanks!! I've heard of a lot of interesting developers, including beer, just never tried any myself (except the classic, coffee). Best of luck with it!!
@carbo73
@carbo73 4 ай бұрын
In my only experience loading two layers of 16mm (100ft in total) I don't know what happened but the whole thing was bulkier that it should and I could not close the lid. So I ended unloading the top layer again and developing just the lower one. Next day I developed the rest. All of this in the dark. I don't know what happened but maybe was related to some problematic loading of the lower layer, as the film "jumped" about 4 cm of spiral at one point. I was unable to check this in the dark, of course.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 4 ай бұрын
That's really odd, as I'd think you'd be able to tell if the top 2 layers didn't seat flat. Almost seems like another issue but I have no idea what it could be. I'd load 2 lengths of old, practice film a few times in the light to see if I could diagnose it. Best of luck!
@carbo73
@carbo73 4 ай бұрын
@@Filmboy24I too will try loading 2 layers of "trial" 16mm film in full light. Many thanks.
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
Mike - a couple of questions: 1) How do you dry your film when you're done? I heard you can actually leave the film in the spiral and let it sit to dry out without hanging it. 2) Can you do inversion with this tank without making a mess? I'm thinking of putting a wine cork inside the end of the hose to keep it from spilling if I do inversion.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Frank, I have heard of people drying their film while still wound on the reel, however I haven't done it personally. Always seemed like it would take forever that way but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Just shake as much water out as possible and maybe a low speed hair dryer on cool setting. I hang mine to dry on my makeshift drying clips on my bathroom tub rod. You can see exactly what I do if you forward to the 16:00 mark on my Kodachrome video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9ORq8pzupubcZ8.html As far as inverting the tank, I do not do it. It would take some modifying and sealing for that to work (at least on the 3 that I have). It would be a real "clunky" inversion, as there's a lot of liquid in there and I also feel that you would greatly risk popping the film seating from it's spiral grooves. At the advice of the master, Martin Baumgarten, I do now tape (6 pieces of gaffer's tape) the edge of the spiral, to help prevent that very thing from happening. Hope that helps a little.
@chloecharlton6146
@chloecharlton6146 2 жыл бұрын
hey mike, do you know what exactly the 16mm adapter is doing? ive got a lomo tank but it didnt come with a black piece, only 2 clear screw caps that fit onto the top piece - wonder if they work the same? Thanks for the video! really helpful when trying to self teach!
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Chloe, Thank you!! The little black adapter is only used for 35mm film OR when you're using the bottom spiral and the top cap (non-spiral). It has to be used in conjunction with the 2-piece center rod (that you spin with) so that the top and bottom will tighten and secure the film. It's kind of hard to explain but if you don't have the black adapter and you want to process a single 50' roll of super 8 or 16mm film, you have to use the bottom spiral and the other spiral as your top. The top cover's (with no spiral) center hole is to wide and the center post has nothing to stop it when threading into the bottom spiral. I hope that makes sense. Let me know if you need more explanation. By the way, you can order just the black spacer on Ebay.
@user-nr3de3oo7p
@user-nr3de3oo7p 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 4:20 I must practice that 😂
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@ryanrudolph9431
@ryanrudolph9431 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I recently picked one of these up and I was wondering if using a single reel sits the cup high enough to be light tight. I’d love to hear your experience!
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ryan! I have not personally had any issues with light leaks at all when using one or both of the spirals. I did make a small foam cover for the top just for added insurance. I take it off briefly each time to fill the tank, then pop it right back on. It was very easy to make and just gives me a little more piece of mind. You can see it in my last video if you're interested. It's at the 4:45 mark, here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fd-cbJqfm5PYpZc.html
@ryanrudolph9431
@ryanrudolph9431 2 жыл бұрын
@@Filmboy24 thank you so much! I figured out my issue. I was missing the spacers that allow the reel to sit high enough for single reel processing and i found something suitable. I processed my first super 8 this weekend and I am so stoked! I've been experimenting with digital transfer via projector and the results have been fun! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLqiq716xLyWd6s.html
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanrudolph9431 That's awesome!! Let me tell you, your first roll in the Lomo came out way better than my first roll. Bravo! Be careful though, it's addicting 😜
@RogerHyam
@RogerHyam Жыл бұрын
I gave up trying to build my own tank (a disaster / learning experience) and have now bought a UPB-1A all the way from Dnipro in Ukraine. It turns out you can buy things from a war zone and maybe help out the guy at the other end by keeping his business going. Thanks to this incredibly useful video my first 25ft of Double 8 Fomapan went pretty smoothly. I used my own reversal recipe which I have previously tested on short lengths in a paterson tank. It all went a bit pear shaped when it came to drying though. I thought I could pull the film out and wrap it around a metal clothes horse but ended up in a mess. I've heard some people dry it on the reel. What do you do? What do you recommend?
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Roger!! I love the way you think, I'll probably be ordering another UPB-1A from Ukraine soon. If you haven't seen it, take a look at how I dry my film in this video (start at the 16:00 mark): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9ORq8pzupubcZ8.html I also use bent paperclips on a thin rope (like a clothesline), where they hang like Christmas tree bulb hooks, with a "V" shape on the bottom. The film sits the same way as it does in my video, with only the edges touching.
@petepictures
@petepictures 3 жыл бұрын
I almost swore myself , not to use a remjet film anymore, for that same reason , staining my spirals. I need them transparent for the second exposure of the reversal film.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's a great point Petko, and it certainly does stain them over time. Thanks!
@therestorationofdrwho1865
@therestorationofdrwho1865 3 жыл бұрын
My spiral snags the film a lot since there’s a tiny chip in the spiral towards the outer part of it. Almost every time I have to readjust the film like 5 times at the end of the roll lmao. How do you get the film onto a spool first? By the way I also have the end of the film trying to unroll every time as well when putting it onto the spiral lol. Sometimes gets frustrating not being able to see what the hell the films doing.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
These things really are finicky. I loaded 2 rolls of film on one yesterday and the bottom roll hung up for about the last 10'. Unfortunately, I didn't catch it during loading and viola, the last (or first) 10' of the bottom roll was all crumpled & ruined :(
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Mike - Another thing I noticed about my Lomo tank is that fluid tends to back up quickly when I'm pouring. I did a water test today and noticed that after about 350 ml or so the water began to pool around the spindle. I did this several times, pouring the water in slowly, and each time it began to back up. I had to wait about 20 seconds or so for the water to drain back into the tank so I could continue pouring without spilling onto the sides of the lid.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Frank, That's interesting because I'm wondering if your tank is like my other one (my first one). Tight fitting lid and the center opening on the lid has the little black spacer/adapter pressed into it. It's the spacer that's used for 35mm film and I didn't realize it was there for a long time. It causes the liquid pour to be slowed significantly, unlike my other (second) tank, which does not have the spacer pressed in. I've never tried pressing it out because by the time I realized that's what it was, I had already gotten my other tank. I wonder if that's the issue with yours.
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
@@Filmboy24 I think you're right. I might have been a little too quick with the spiral assembly. Thanks!
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, the tank is useless. When I assembled everything correctly and placed the lid on lightly, the water flowed into the tank without backing up. When I placed the lid on tightly, the water began backing up again. There is no center spacer on my lid to press out; it's all one piece. Clearly the lid is the culprit.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
@@OskarFilms, well that stinks! One last thing you might check is the little hole in the "cupped" center post. Could that be blocked? I think mine actually has that hold bored out a little bigger than factory. Might help with suction issues. Other than that, I wish I knew.
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
@@Filmboy24 The little hole is clear, but maybe boring it out a little might help.
@NasserAlhameli
@NasserAlhameli Ай бұрын
Hi Mike! I rolled 100' fpp film but 4 meter left out of the tank! Did that ever happen to you? The feeding process was great from center to the outer edge
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 Ай бұрын
Hey Nasser, hmmm, don’t think so. I carefully measured a whole 100’ roll of 16mm practice film once and it was a tiny bit over 106’. I was able to spool it on with no overlap but also no more room.
@NasserAlhameli
@NasserAlhameli Ай бұрын
@@Filmboy24 Thanx Mike!
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
Mike - got my Lomo UPB-1A tank in the mail. This thing is in MINT condition. However, I'm finding the lid difficult to slide to open and close, especially the latter. It's very tight, so much so that after I close it I have to lift the lid gently on both sides to open it and remove it from the tank. Have you ever heard of this issue?
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Frank, yes, I have 2 of the UPB-1A tanks and they are night and day different from each other. The first one I bought has the exact same issue you described, and the reels are a little finicky as well. It wasn't until I bought my second tank that I realized the lids don't all fit the same. My new(er) one is quite loose. I did use the tight lid one for quite a while but it has since been remanded to the back of the shelf. What I found most odd was the fact that the lids on my 2 tanks are not really that interchangeable. They just seem a little bit different. These old tanks really are hit and miss.
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
@@Filmboy24 I'm wondering if I should return it or if the lid will loosen over time. I'm also concerned about light leak if the lid isn't on just right.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 3 жыл бұрын
@@OskarFilms Well, I can only say that mine never loosened over time, however I always felt safe knowing it'd never twist and "unlock" itself. The one I use now is very loose, so much so that I use gaffer's tape to ensure that that very thing doesn't happen. You might try it a time or two first. It can also be tricky to get a perfect set of spirals (both of them in my current one work perfectly), so I'd spool up a couple rolls and see if the film seats properly first. That might give you your answer for sure. I wouldn't worry too much about light leaks. As long as the lid is physically seated in the groove (doesn't really even have to be turned and locked), it's supposed to be light tight. Neither of mine ever had light issues.
@flyingo
@flyingo Жыл бұрын
I too am about to purchase a UPB 1A tank from Ukraine, but I’d really rather buy the larger tank which will hold a full 100’ reel of 16mm film. You aluded to the larger tank in one or more of your other videos, but I can’t find a video where you state that tank’s model number or name. Is it just called a “UPB 1B” or something like that? Please help! Thanks as always for your comfortable, entertaining videos.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 Жыл бұрын
Lomo didn't actually make a 100' tank (as I had though early on). They were made by another company but I don't know the name of them. I have 2 of the 100' tanks and they're a little different in design from each other, so not sure if maybe there was more than one maker or they just evolved. Here's the video I made a couple years ago of the 100' tank, when I thought it was called a Lomo: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdJ6lNeIvdaqlWg.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
@flyingo
@flyingo Жыл бұрын
@@Filmboy24 I did fond your video of the large tank. I have three Morse G3 tanks, but that large one of yours looks like it would do a better job.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 Жыл бұрын
@@flyingo I tend to agree that the results are better in the large 100' tanks than the Morse. I have a Morse tank and figuring out the correct time can be tough, a lot of trial and error and very labor intensive.
@flyingo
@flyingo 9 ай бұрын
So, looking at the system I have, it came with an English language manual and is in fact designed for one spiral reel only, with the “spacer” built in to the top part of the spiral so it can be flipped over for 16mm. Mine uses two hoses - one for filling the liquids and the other for draining. Other than those aspects, it’s pretty much identical. Maybe there was a UPB1 and a UPB1A? Anyway, I no longer feel cheated out of a second spiral. I still hope to 3D print another spiral platter for it as two spiral platters would definitely fit inside the tank (but I would need a different center threaded column rod, which I think I can also 3D print). The one I have is demonstrated by the guy who has the “Zero Budget Film School” channel. Thanks for this video!
@RogerHyam
@RogerHyam Жыл бұрын
What could possibly go wrong!? Have you used a Morse G3? That seems a much more attractive way to do cine film to me. (I think his name is pronounced bow-m-gar-ten think Bauhaus design)
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 Жыл бұрын
I've done a couple videos using my Morse G3 tank, talk about labor!! 🤣
@RogerHyam
@RogerHyam Жыл бұрын
@@Filmboy24 Ah ha I see. I'll give them a watch. I'm just trying to 3D print a mini Morse for doing 25ft of Double 8 in about 500ml of solution. I've tried 3D printing one of the Lomo style models out there but the spirals just won't work on my printer and even if they did I think they would be unusable. A Morse style tank seems more doable. And for 25ft it isn't so much to wind. If it doesn't work I'll have had fun trying.
@Filmboy24
@Filmboy24 Жыл бұрын
@@RogerHyam Good Luck! I thought about tinkering with making a larger, aluminum spiral that would hold 200 or 400' of film, using a CNC machine. Would be quite an undertaking, so I've also toyed with the thought of making a semi-automatic machine feed processor. So many ideas, so little time. By the way, there are smaller Lomo tanks out there that only hold 33' of film and take much less chemicals. I don't have one but have thought of grabbing one.
@RogerHyam
@RogerHyam Жыл бұрын
​@@Filmboy24 Alas I'm in Scotland so UK eBay is a much smaller market and getting things shipped from US and import duty + VAT (even from the EU now) can really up the costs. Maybe I'll see one at the right price. I'm kicking myself for missing one recently but then I've no idea what the other guy would have gone up to ...
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