Make anything from PVC pipe || RotarySMP

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Making a 16mm movie film developing tank from a PVC sewage pipe, using a CNC mini- lathe, a band saw, dress press, router etc...
This could be made pretty easily with just a saw, a drill and a file, and is sort of a copy of the Lomo UPB-1A tank.
The 3D models and STL's are from here...
sixteenmillimeter.com/project...
00:00 - Intro
00:16 - Lomo tank
00:45 - GNAL film reel
04:03 - Tank concept
04:57 - Cutting up the stock
08:13 - Flattening PVC Pipe
09:28 - Tank base
12:14 - Base legs
14:20 - Lid fabrication
15:58 - Mail time
16:06 - Lid latches
17:55 - Turning the funnel on the CNC mini lathe
23:57 - Drain
30:34 - Paint
31:10 - Light leak test
34:26 - Developing light leak test
37:37 - Loading a whole roll of 16mm film
38:50 - Reversal developing Fomopan R100
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@johnmccanntruth Жыл бұрын

The fact that you made all of that stuff from a piece of pvc pipe is just amazing. This should be a video on how to use things you have to make things you don’t… Amazing!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed. It please share a link to friends who might like it.

@traitorouskin7492 Жыл бұрын

I've seen so much of that type pipe skipped on jobs . I never thought it was such an easy source of tough sheet plasticcy stuff. thanks rotary.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It is a surprising good crafting material. Really easy to work, sort of like homogeneous wood. Also easy to flatten. I used 130°C for about 10 minutes.

@pwkoert6594 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP I never tried couse I was afraid the oven could get a 'bad taste' for food....

@iteerrex8166 Жыл бұрын

@@pwkoert6594 Get a used one for the workshop/garage, if there’s room. It’s good for powder coding and tempering, pizza coffee and tea…

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@iteerrex8166 Since the plastic didn't get hot enough to melt or burn, I didn't smell anything doing it like this.

@pwkoert6594 Жыл бұрын

I'v tried and there is hardly any pvc smell. Ofcourse I only use clean pvc, but 10min, 120 C in hot air oven works very nice. Above 135 C you can smell some PVC but no tastes in the oven. Plates made from tubes are never perfectly flat, but it is very cheap, euh usualy for free as leftovers.

@joeldriver381 Жыл бұрын

That was some impressive PVC pipe hacking! The CNC mini lathe brought back some memories of when I first started watching.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Joel, I thought it was about time I gave the mini lathe some love. It works well on plastic.

@steveggca Жыл бұрын

likewise, the mini cnc lathe is what brought me to this channel in the first place

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@steveggca Hi Steve, thanks for staying around for my other random content :)

@petevance422 Жыл бұрын

"the drain's going to get cleaned and it's not going to have a headache" LOL Good to see the mini lathe in use!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Pete, glad you enjoyed that video. I thought it was a good use of the minilathe.

@en2oh Жыл бұрын

when your daily driver is an "M2",.. :) Great example of a man with skills! Glad to see them applied to the analogue world! :)

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It is a amazingly well built camera, considering the hard life it must have had. Thanks for your kind words.

@DrArtiePoole Жыл бұрын

The tense/sombre music is beautiful but it does make me think disaster is about to strike at any moment. Thanks for keeping me on my toes!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

With anything I make, disaster is never far away :)

@testyourdesign233 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for wearing your Sunday socks for the scenes in the kitchen. Not sure how the audience would have reacted to your normal workweek socks. #keepemcovered

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

:) good point. I was also surprised when I started editing to see socks without holes. I didn't realise I had any. :)

@JMassengill Жыл бұрын

That PVC as a building medium looked interesting. Nice work.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It was really satisfying to work with. Like really homogeneous wood.

@anglegrinder1174 Жыл бұрын

thanks for this! these tanks are super sought after. very inspiring to see how possible it is to make one! best of luck on your 16mm experiments

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I could never spend $1000+ on 1970's russian bakelite. The chances of it getting through the mail unscathed seem minimal. I am glad that GNAL reel works well. That is the key.

@SteveWrathall Жыл бұрын

Love the Huka Falls cameo

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve.

@marianaldenhoevel7240 Жыл бұрын

What an unexpected career for that length of pipe. To imagine when it was little it was told it was going to be buried in dirt and faithfully carry sewage until it broke. But not even that opportunity became reality as it was left behind at the building site and then spent years uselessly clogging some garage together with all the other stuff that "may become useful some day" but only ever does two weeks after it was finally thrown out. And now it can it can shine. Well, figuratively. It will still be working in the dark. But it did make it into the movie industry!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Marian, It sure was a step up from hiding easter eggs once per year. Thanks for commenting.

@BloodyMobile Жыл бұрын

It's really impressive how far techonology has come. I got into contact with a little bit of photo film as a kid, and just from that I was already so glad about digital imaging. Made a bad photo? You can check right away, toss it and reclaim the space on the storage. Back then? You won't know until days or weeks later...

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Especially with motion pictures, video is way less nerve wracking than film for exactly those reasons.

@jimsvideos7201 Жыл бұрын

3:38 As puns go, that was art.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

The Dad jokes flow without me even noticing :)

@steamfan7147 Жыл бұрын

Nice job, machining plastic presents it's own set of unique problems. Heating and forming PVC now has me thinking! Side note: When I was a kid, I had some infected cuts on my foot, the doctor sent me home with six little potassium permanganate tables with instructions to dissolve one in a gallon of water and soak my foot in it twice a day until the tablets were gone. Three days later the infection was gone and the cuts were almost completely gone as well. It's been fine for 48 years since, so must be some good stuff lol.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks. It worked out even better than I hoped.

@Kirill_Maker Жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying how you are combing Your hobbies together :)

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that feedback. It helps.

@MikelNaUsaCom Жыл бұрын

nice job. Digital seems to fix much of the problems here, but for a life changing technology, it's interesting how far it's come in about a hundred years. It was only a few years ago when this was mainstream, to take your pictures and to have the film developed. It also seems like PVC is a good material to use, based on the application. Happy Sunday! Hope you enjoyed the journey, so far.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael. I really have enjoyed this. Once you have experienced for yourself just how difficult and time consuming it is, you gain a new respect for those who used 16mm for work in the past.

@Andrew_Fernie Жыл бұрын

Nice to see the "polished turd" in action. Seemed to make a really nice job.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Andrew, it did nicely. I mess up the design a bit, making it a but thin, but the turd cut it perfectly.

@bradwalker1259 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Brings back memories from college film classes and when I worked at a post house/film lab. I can still smell the developer in my memory.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It is pretty clunky technology, but there is something very satisfying about seeing the first images on film.

@crabmansteve6844 Жыл бұрын

Just be careful and don't HEAT CPVC in your oven because it's chlorinated, hence the C. I came to this channel for more machining content but this is probably my favorite video you've ever done. Well done man, this is great.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

How do you identify it, and will it out gas if only heated to 120° to make it floppy?

@kengrint9372 Жыл бұрын

Well done! I worked in a physics lab in the early '70s where quark particles were observed. We used 39mm Robot cameras and processed 250 feet of film per time. The processing tanks were made by Kodak and truly great... yours brought back so many memories. Many thanks. I also have an R16 - great cameras.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Do you have the same R16 Special Zoom, or one of the other lens options they offered? They are a really nice camera. Must have been exciting to have worked on such a fundamental science advance.

@kengrint9372 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP - It was my first job in anything photography related. I have kept an interest in 'quarkland' ever since. The bubble chambers we captured produced amazing traces. Skip forward 40 years and I worked on a film about dark matter! My R16 has lots of extras, including a 200 foot "Mickey Mouse" magazine - oh and I have 5 Bolex 16mm cameras in various states, but 2 are top notch. You can prbably tell I'm not married 😀

@joell439 Жыл бұрын

Wow Mark - what a fascinating episode. 👍👍😎👍👍

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed that one Joel. Thanks for the feedback.

@JanSzymonGoowacz Жыл бұрын

In end of 90s with my father we buld e6 procesor from pvc. It base on Polish krokus tank spules cut and refit to 4x5” materials… reason was similar.. procesor Jobo cost moutain of cash then. Was no yt content then, only few catalogs and magazines in unknow for us languages… I didn't expect to see something like this today. Greate job.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I have seen the YT videos of some one who built a fully automated movie film processing tank line. That is a bit over the top for what I need. Your E6 processor sounds very cool.

@koen8973 Жыл бұрын

What a beautiful lathe!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Which one? I have three :) Mini lathe I CNCed, Boley 4LV, and a Schaublin 125-CNC. It is kind of my thing :)

@marianaldenhoevel7240 Жыл бұрын

I christen that gray PLA plug a "smear rivet". Sounds professional.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thank Marian. :)

@iteerrex8166 Жыл бұрын

Fun adventure 👍. When we were kids, our parents used to take photos rolls to a special shop to be developed and painted. Also my grandparents used to wash fruits and veggies in dilute potassium permanganate solution, to sterilize it, and then rinse with lots of water.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you used to be able to get films developed anywhere.

@MyMiniHomeWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Necessity was always the mother of invention, well done 👍

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks. It came out better than I expected.

@seabeepirate Жыл бұрын

You make it look so easy! Pro tip - for clamping squirrelly parts with the C-clamp, put the swivel end on the stable side of the work and use the fixed end of the clamp on the squirrelly bit. Although clamping the squirrelly bit on the swivel end works, as you tighten it you your clamping mechanism also introduces a radial toque which is limited in the opposite orientation.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that tip. It is a good one.

@stewartfrye Жыл бұрын

very nice tank build!!!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stewart, I am pretty happy with the result.

@Elektronaut Жыл бұрын

That video was a real treat! And so much to learn. Good to know that PVC is so easy to work with. I still need to make a tank for my large format camera.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Christian. Yeah, I was really surprised how this all came together. Flattening PVC pipe was way easier than I expected, and came out really nice and flat. It is a good source for future film holders etc. I still need to drop by and check out your camera. Our office moved back to the 3rd, so I'll swing by some day after work.

@Gin-toki Жыл бұрын

Interresting project. I'm really impressed by how much you were able to make from that single PVC pipe!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks. It came out much better than I hoped when I started.

@Paul-FrancisB Жыл бұрын

Good morning I'm enjoying videos on the new obsession 😁

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, thanks for your support on this. It is a bit too off topic for my regular viewers, but I hope they find some enjoyment that this is a fabrication video.

@mumblbeebee6546 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic job, recycling and reuse, tradition meets modernity, Kiwi meets “Oh Jeh!”, and we got a ling video out of it - thank you!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. Glad you liked it.

@Alan2E0KVRKing Жыл бұрын

Nice build, seems to work well!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It does. I am pretty happy with it.

@karlramberg Жыл бұрын

Very cool project

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I am happy how it came out.

@MakarovFox Жыл бұрын

so cool i love old cameras

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

So do I.

@RickRolling-tc7vb Жыл бұрын

Ingenious. I enjoyed that a lot, thank you. The developing chemicals used to be a bit toxic, so stay ventilated and look after your lungs. I worked with a girl who had scars in her lungs from too much time in a darkroom where all the chemicals drained to the same spot.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rick. Good point. I have been using Caffenol as negative developer lately, and like the combination of low toxicity and results. I hope Orwo does another batch of UN54 16mm negative film soon, so I dont always have to faff around with the reversal process.

@josseman Жыл бұрын

Made my Monday watching this video. I can see you’re a real pro, since you don’t have to fumble around with reversing your jaws in the large every time like I do, where they end up clamping eccentric.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed this video. On the my four jaw independant, the jaws get reversed, but the three jaw scroll chucks need separate inner and outer jaws.

@satchelsieniewicz5824 Жыл бұрын

that is beautiful work. nice craftsman ship

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind feedback

@TrPrecisionMachining Жыл бұрын

good video RotarySMP

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@TimBielawa Жыл бұрын

This was a cool video. I loved the build.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Tim.

@LongnoseRob Жыл бұрын

Nothing better then a well used Leica M2

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Robert. This one has certainly not been babied. Whoever had it before me must have taken it everywhere, for years. Even the chrome is wearing through in places.

@lukasbasques Жыл бұрын

Love your videos

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lucas. I appreciate the feedback.

@jster1963 Жыл бұрын

I love it! Great work....

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Jasper, it came out better than I expected. I love to see those gun camera films you have.

@jster1963 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP I hope to see them again someday too, LOL! I haven't seen that film since 1987....

@dougpurdie2871 Жыл бұрын

Once again a memory invoking segment for me, my first real job was in a 35mm movie film processing lab, we used continuous machines where you had 25 seconds in the darkroom to staple the next roll in line trim the edges and let it go while an elevator slowly rose as the slack was consumed if you stuffed up then three rolls of negative or positive were ruined when the machine stopped. We used potassium permanganate my hands were always tanned. We also used electrolysis to recover the silver from the fixer...there was a lot of silver.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Doug. Do you know what solvent and electrode materials were used in the silver recovery baths?

@dougpurdie2871 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP The processing machines had electrolysis tanks built into the circulation system so no extra solvent was used...I think the electrodes were stainless steel rods I don't remember the current used but the terminals were exposed so it must have been low voltage. Once a month the silver cells were swapped. They were a pvc tank about 1m long with bolt on pvc ends.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@dougpurdie2871 Thanks Doug. I have to try that.

@DJDiarrhea Жыл бұрын

Great job! Amazing how well that turned out. Don't have a workshop like yours but with a liberal usage of 3d printing, I'm pretty sure this would be a great little project

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Since that PVC bonds so well, I think you could easily just make up thinks like the funnel by first making a set of rings with a drill, saw, and file, and then assembling them. It really is not a difficult build.

@glennstasse5698 Жыл бұрын

Man, that was a chemistry lesson! There probably aren’t many places left where you can get film developed either. Another victim of the cell phone. Someday I would like to see a list of all the things replaced by cell phones. Don’t forget civility and “your undivided attention “.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Yeah, a communication device optimised to ensure social isolation!

@Rustinox Жыл бұрын

So, if I got it right, you did build a CNC-lathe to make a funnel. I think I always knew there was a specific reason to build it...

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

That is a pretty good summary of my tool park "planning" process :)

@JCWren Жыл бұрын

Very cool project and I like the longer video length. That looked like some serious bit deflection at 20:00...

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It is time I sold that mini-lathe and reclaim the space. The Schaublin can do everything it can better... except I dont yet have the manual tailstock going. It is missing parts.

@vincei4252 Жыл бұрын

8:14 Rotary: "Honey, when you next going out? Rotary's wife: "why ?" Rotary: "I need to clean the oven" Me: "Yeah, Right" 😂 I don't have a wife but I do have an electric cooker :) I needed to bake my 3D printer filament that haven't used in 3+ years and was just sitting there on the printer. I decided to buy a food dehumidifier to do that task rather than the oven. At least that way I wont discover one day that I set the kitchen oven to 450F by mistake and have a disgusting mess to cleanup.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Yeah, she is very tolerant, but sees through my nonsense pretty fast :)

@robertfontaine3650 Жыл бұрын

nice little invention.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert.

@millwrightrick1 Жыл бұрын

Here in Canada, I don't think I have ever seen PVC pipe with that thick of a wall. The largest size in a house would be 4"/100mm also. Nice job though and glad to see someone else who still does film.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

The pipes inside my house are also much smaller, but it seems that DN315 pipe is the norm here for the in ground sewerage pipes which leave properties.

@julias-shed Жыл бұрын

Great project really interesting 😀 who knew uPVC was so nice to work with. 😮

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I came to really enjoy it is a crafting material. Especially the sheets I flattened in the oven. It is kind of like very homogenous wood.

@joshuaprice2714 Жыл бұрын

zero interest in film photography, 100% interested in this video! well done!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks, that is the feedback I like to here.

@joshuaprice2714 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP if you don’t mind I am curious are you a kiwi expat?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Yes I am. Been in Austria nearly 3 decades.

@jasonl800 Жыл бұрын

This is a really cool project. Recycling a drainpipe is inspired! I once tried to design and 3D print a 50ft reel and tank for 8mm film - I found the PETG reel too floppy and rough to load reliably, and the water and chemistry in between the print layers of the tank and it leaked. 😂 then I bought the 50ft Lomo…. For 16mm 100ft film I’ve used a Morse rewind tank… not ideal, but ok for black and white. The new Filmomat manual tank looks promising and well designed - crazy expensive, not not excessive to the asking price for the old 100ft Lomo tanks. Shooting and developing cine film these days is a bit crazy, anyway! 😊

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason. That is a good summary. A bit crazy :) The new filmomat tanks hadn't released when I started this, but I am too cheap to purchase on anyway. I have also had poor experience with spaghetti printer parts being water tight, so I didn't bother going that route. That GNAL design is worth a look. The base spiral is quite thick, and nice and rigid. Seeing as this was my first ever load of 16mm film, it was pretty easy to use. I am lucky that Jörg is a real master of 3D print, so the reel came out very smooth. I think he used a big nozzle, and it was still a 30H print.

@DonStinger Жыл бұрын

It looks like the drill spun in the tailstock without beeing pulled out previously. That would mean that the drive tab on the drill doesn‘t engage in the tailstock to transmit the torque. You might want to check this. Some interesting techniques you showed there with the straightening of the pvc.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Those crappy mini lathe tailstocks have a truncated MT2 without the drive lugs. The PVC straightening was really simple and worked well. Good source of crafting material.

@MurrayC Жыл бұрын

Beware the plastic strings. I don't know about PVC but certainly nylon's strong enough to pull your fingers in. I use an old pair of needle nose pliers to clear nylon swarf

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Good point Murray. I dont think the PVC is nearly as strong as Nylon, but still should have used a tool rather than bare hands.

@tcratius1748 Жыл бұрын

The potassium permanganate I remember hearing that it was used in the garden to stop water evaporation. Being potassium, I.e., Pot ash, it is quite possibly a mild fertilizer too.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I hadn't heard of that use of it.

@juliussokolowski4293 Жыл бұрын

I've seen some people go all in and make a PVC version of a a continuous processing machine. What they essentially do is take a couple PVC pipes and stand them on end, fill them with the chemicals and run the film over rollers in and out of the tanks in a snake. You set the transport speed and depth of the tanks to give you the right processing times in each tank. That's the way it was done back in the day on an industrial scale. Except the tanks were huge and stainless...

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I dont see myself doing that much film that I could justify such a system, but who knows what the future brings?

@juliussokolowski4293 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP you never know ;) I have a Bolex H16 EBM with a 400 ft mag I wanna bring to life. That migt justify such a system… or maybe even necessitate…

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@juliussokolowski4293 That is a good point. I dont think they offered 400' mags for the Beaulieu though, only a 200'.

@juliussokolowski4293 Жыл бұрын

If I knew I’d have a sure supply of 400’ loads of something like 7266 tri-x I’d go for it. But as things stand even 100’ dayloads are might become an issue and I’ve got enough projects as it is ;) But I have been toying with the idea of making a simple yet automatic film scanner for 16 mm. I have some 16 mm film, including some vintage 747 slide training (saved it from the dumpster back when I was working in airline pilot training). Some steppers, some rc servos, light source and a camera… how hard could that be? Famous last words…

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@juliussokolowski4293 I also need to make an automated scanner. I wish I had access to Double X for a reasonable price. It is really dear in Europe. I hope Orwo has a new batch of UN54 soon.

@en2oh Жыл бұрын

in the old days, I had two different styles of film developing tanks. (three, if you count see-sawing through a bath tray!) The first was a Patterson-tank, which wound the film in by twisting the clear reel at the top. two ball bearings allowed the film through but not back. The Second one was the "Nikkor Reels" which were wound from the inside out, by bowing the film in your hand "width-wise" while you rotated the stainless steel concentric reels with the other. Pretty neat system!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I've also used both over the years. I think the Patterson style is a bit easier for beginners, but the reel has to be bone dry to use it. The metal spiral one which load from the middle are not so critical for moisture. These Lomo spirals are sort of a one side spiral version of the latter.

@en2oh Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP I have a basement room full of "Printo" developing machines and Saunders Color enlargers... I used to enjoy the process - but now, blending analogue film with digital printing is pretty interesting! Keep up the good work! (if I can learn how to take a napkin drawing and put it into a computer CAD program, and 3D print it, I'll die a happy man! :) )

@craigiedema1707 Жыл бұрын

PVC "glue" actually melts the PVC together. When bonded, the two pieces become one.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It is a nice process.

11 ай бұрын

Almost ecology in it's best: use what you have! Nevermind that nobody else will make this since fotos today are made for online publishing mainly. But if you want perfection, no digital can beat best analog devices!

@RotarySMP 11 ай бұрын

I need to find time to do some more with my Beaulieu R16. Fun camera.

@chutipascal Жыл бұрын

Brillant!

@chutipascal Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5qEdcJ3ta-RkmQ.html When?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. It helps.

@chutipascal Жыл бұрын

Videos from youtube.com/@variopancolar6487 are also inspiring...

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@chutipascal I have been watching his channel for a while. I will do my Telecine using some of his ideas.

@chutipascal Жыл бұрын

I can't wait to see the telecine.:D

@kimber1958 Жыл бұрын

nice

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

@harezy Жыл бұрын

There's me thinking you could 3d print all that. But where is the fun in that? No point in having a workshop if you can't get it messy. Great use of recycling that pipe can`t of been much left 😁😁👍👍 Some interesting music choices today. 13:45 had a little tear in me eye as that sounded like the ending music for the last stargate universe 😢😢😂😂. Potassium permanganate for smelly feet, I learned that from Dr BigClive 😁😁 Epic video today great stuff THANKS 👍👍👍👍👍👍

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I am always a bit suspicious of whether spaghetti printers can make fluid tight parts. Mine can't (it is also too small for this job.)

@harezy Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Cut and slice and put back together with glue. Works pretty well. But no fun

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@harezy If I have to cut, slice and glue... then PVC pipe is the way to go. That is pretty nice to work with.

@muh1h1 Жыл бұрын

PETG is really easy to print (almost as easy as PLA), so you could easily print the part that broke yourself if you don't end up wanting to turn it. Just don't print it directly on glass and turn down the parts cooling fan and you're good to go!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It is the highest stressed part, and I also broke the PET-G one just playing around assembling and disassembling. The way the layers run, it will never be strong enough. I'll just order some 50mm black PVC and turn one.

@muh1h1 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Fair enough! The Tank looks really good, especially considering you made all of this from a piece of scrap sewer pipe!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@muh1h1 Thanks. I am also really happy how it turned out. I started without much of a plan.

@Myrulv Жыл бұрын

This is totally an excercise in futility, and I love it! 💝

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It really is! :)

@Myrulv Жыл бұрын

In my younger years I was dreaming about that 16mm camera. 🤗

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@Myrulv It is a beautiful machine. I got lucky on that purchase.

@whatevernamegoeshere3644 Жыл бұрын

1:07 resistant to most chemicals except anything basic in long term or strongly basic in short term (it's an ester, turns into a terephtalate salt and an alcohol), anything that can leech the additives which means most strong solvents like acetone, it's hygroscopic and on that note who knows what other material it loves to cling onto, so... Yeah it's lightly better than PLA but that's it. The only filament that's actually brutally inert is PP (or PE, almost the same thing)

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that input. My comparison is not a perfectly inert plastic, but 1970's russian plastic for $1000+. If I have to reprint these reels every couple of years, that wont kill me.

@whatevernamegoeshere3644 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Oh yeah, definitely. But at the same time I would be worried about swelling, getting your fill stuck in the gap

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@whatevernamegoeshere3644 I guess I'll see once I develop my next film, how it has changed.

@osgeld Жыл бұрын

ya, PVC is a very easy material to work with, as the same with other plastics that are 3 letters and contain P, A, or B its waste material and can be chemically welded with hardware store products (pvc, abs, acrylic, polystyrene butylate the list goes on)

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I was surprised how easy it was to flatten it into those useful sheets.

@tinygriffy Жыл бұрын

Mir gefällts total gut, ich mag Zweckentfremdungen, und was gibt es besseres als aus Abflußrohr was total wertvolles zu bauen ... musste ein wenig über den Ursprung der modernen handbetriebenen Salatschleuder nachdenken.. liegt vl. an der Farbe vom PVC und dem weißen "Sieb" da drin ;) Dann dachte ich noch entwickeln ist vl. ein wenig wie Pfannkuchen backen..der erste wird nie so gut wie die die dannach kommen.. weiterhin viel Erfolg beim belichten und entwickeln !

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Salatschleuder ist eine gute Beschreibung :) Ich denke auch dass es von hier nur aufwärts gehen kann. Ich weiss dass ich der Bleichbad konstant umruhen muss.

@tinygriffy Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP "umruhen".. da hat die Autokorrektur ihre Chance gewittert und voll zugeschlagen ^^ .. Vl. einen kleinen stepper motor oä. integrieren ?

@tinygriffy Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP oh.. und vl. hast du ja irgendwo ein Stück Öl- oder Benzinleitung, etwas das sich nicht so leicht knicken lässt.. das würde für konstante Werte bei der Ablaufgeschwindigkeit sorgen ;) Wenn die Frau nicht guckt könntest du vl. auch das Gitter aus dem Backofen auf die Spüle legen, da könnte man die Kontraption drauf stellen, damit sie nicht ins Becken fällt ;)

@graealex Жыл бұрын

Chemical resistance surely is going to be always a problem. I got an ultrasonic cleaner with the tank full of brake cleaner for cleaning guns, and I already replaced the feet of the metal basket inside with short sections of silicone hose multiple times, but even the usually completely inert silicone soaks up the brake cleaner like a sponge and gets turned into a gelatinous mass.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Hi Alexander. Photo chemistry is a mix of acidic and alkaline baths, mostly not too strong. I expect the most effected will be the paint, and then there will be some chemicals which get into the crevices of the 3D printed parts. Then again, the other option was russian plastic from the 1970's.

@graealex Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Well yes, they're not solvents. Because even the rather peaceful IPA will eventually destroy most plastics. Also, next time you build/renovate a house, order your PVC pipes in black!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@graealex This pipe was not from my house, Jörg gave it to me. I put Black Gebarite (?) in my house when I renovated, ,but I think it is standard in Austria to use the orange KG Rohr for buried sewerage pipes.

@badjuju6563 Жыл бұрын

Bzzzzzzzt too much effort and way too expensive, no wonder digital took over. I enjoyed the build of your development chamber, shows ingenuity and material knowledge.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

You are right there. This make you really appreciate digital.

@russellsmithies Жыл бұрын

Instead of a water wash between develping & fixing, shouldn't you be using a stop bath? Generally just 3% acetic acid in water. That also helps stop your fix getting too contaminated with dev. Regarding silver recovery from the fix - I was an RNZAF photog (in the 1980s) and we had an electrolisys machine for recovering the silver from fix. Not sure the $$ ever made it to accounts but we had a good stash of choccy biscuits in the joe room ;-)

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I was in the RNZAF between R1/89, and Oct 94 as an ACFTTECH. Photog was a cool trade. You got lucky to get that one. I was too lazy to whip up a stop bath. Thanks for calling that out. The reversal kit doesn't use one, but the bleach is acidic and one use.

@apollorobb Жыл бұрын

Good sharp HSS cuts plastics way better than carbide . Amazing the things one can make from plastics but the stuff is messy

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I was a bit lazy, and mostly used insert holders which were already loaded in tool holders. I did switch to HSS a bit, and it cut much better, as did the polished, high rake inserts for Al. I am pretty happy how this project ended up.

@petergamache5368 Жыл бұрын

Most valuable lesson here: wear a full-face shield when turning PVC, in case the part decides to enter low earth orbit.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Good point, I dont want that in my front teeth.

@TheUncleRuckus Жыл бұрын

When are you going out, I need to clean the oven. 😆🤣😆🤣 So this has to be done in a completely dark room you can't use like a red light so you can see??

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Correct. Photo is orthocrhomatic, so it is not sensitive to red light. You can develop prints under a red light. Most B&W film is pan chromatic, and would be fogged by a red light.

@carlhitchon1009 Жыл бұрын

If you hold a vacuum cleaner nozzle near the tool while turning, the entire ribbon of waste will be sucked in. Start the cut with the vacuum on.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

My vaccuum clean is really loud, and seems to run at a resonant frequency of the house structure. My wife never complains about the other machines, but the vaccuum drives her nuts :)

@carlhitchon1009 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Yep, they can be loud.

@jesseservice7828 Жыл бұрын

Muito bom !

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting.

@natel7639 Жыл бұрын

Great build, PVC chips are the worst 😂

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it just makes a birdsnest of mess.

@jimsvideos7201 Жыл бұрын

I note the bulky chips; after a steady rest my next project is a tabletop shredder to reduce my buckets full to matchstick size pieces for easier sorting and storage.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

It really makes a birds nest of swarf.

@SonofTheMorningStar666 Жыл бұрын

👍

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks,

@SouseMouse Жыл бұрын

When I'm going to bore plastic I skip the twist drill- I just offset the boring bar and peck drill with it.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Good idea. Thanks for that tip.

@Altgottt Жыл бұрын

great job but it seems like a proper continous development machine is next :P We attempted it a few years ago with pvc pipes and stepper motors. theres a video on youtube that shows the basic setup search for continiuous 16mm development

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I have watched that video. Cool project, but I dont develop enough to need that (yet). The next puzzle stone I need is to make a Telecine to do a decent job of scanning films.

@Altgottt Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Vario pancolar on youtube built one, we repurposed an old projector and used a cheap macro lens adapted to a Fuji mirror less camera I wish I could show you some results but sadly I can't share it rn due to copyright issues.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@Altgottt I think I have watched every DIY telecine video on YT. Lot of good ideas out there. If I can get a cheap 16mm projector, I'll start with it's film gate and pull down mechanism. I already have a 1:1 macro for my MFT cameras, but will probably get another extension tube and go beyond 1:1 to maximise the size of scans.

@tonyde9ball Жыл бұрын

You're interesting af bro. Subscribed. Go kiwi

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for joining in Tony.

@Narwaro Жыл бұрын

Yeah, plastics are pretty hard to grab in a chuck. Because it just deforms out of the way when you tighten it. But smaller chips and it just wont cut right. Nightmare. Collets are probably the best option.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I should have used sharp HSS tooling as well.

@Narwaro Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP or polished insert tooling for aluminium. I turned a lot of Nylon some while ago and I had exactly the same problems. But it turned out great and your skull is still dent-free so all is well :D

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@Narwaro I have those sharp inserts, but was tool lazy to swap them in :/

@peterspencer6442 Жыл бұрын

Really cool and inspiring! Out of interest, was the 3D printer/CNC that you had on your daughter's old desk also made using PVC for the frame?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter, no, that Printer has a frame made of 20mm MDF: My Daughter was in her pink phase when she helped me make it, so she got to choose the colour sheme :)

@JanneRanta Жыл бұрын

Awesome project. The prices of tanks and other film specific tools can go to insane levels. Is there a video of digitizing coming?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

The Beaulieu review shows how I digitized this first film. I need to make a Telecine soon.

@JanneRanta Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Yeah telezine was the word that I forgot. Seen some pretty awesome diy setups of those.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@JanneRanta I think I will go the mechanical way, and hack an old 16mm film projector.

@624Dudley Жыл бұрын

It’s amazing what you know.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@624Dudley I just watch a lot (too much) yoututbe :)

@mandrakejake Жыл бұрын

I've made that mistake with plastics many times! The 3 jaw just won't grab it well. Reckon a 6 jaw would do better

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Yeah, unfotunately I dont have a 6 jaw.

@thomasrahm Жыл бұрын

Great video, learned a lot! Nice to see you put all your tools to good use. What temperatur in the owen when you "cleaned" it? 😄 I need to try reuse some pvc myself.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I learned a lot in this project as well. I softened the PVC at 130°C for about 10 minutes.

@RedStarRogue Жыл бұрын

I ordered a Lomo tank from a guy here in Canada but it is only 30ft. I used it to develop some super 8 footage

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

The 30 and 50ft Lomo tanks are much more common. The 100' ones are probably so expensive because they are rare.

@ultratorrent Жыл бұрын

Almost looks like you need to adjust the trailing bearing on your band saw. Looks like excessive deflection when pushing into the cut.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks for noticing that. I'll check it out.

@tiberiuromanti Жыл бұрын

This is super awsome!!! how is your paint coat holding up? 3d printed the 50ft tank from thingiverse and gave it 3 coats with BEHR chemical resistant spray paint but after developing and wiping the tank out the paper towel is a bit black

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

You can see that the paint on the bottom of the tank got a bit worn off by the film reel rubbing on it while agitating, but other than a few scratches it is holding up fine. Time will tell, as I have only done the one roll so far.

@hk74654 Жыл бұрын

Very nice project! One question though, couldn't you have made the tank with three instead of four feet in order for it to always stand securely?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I could, but this was easier to make.

@knires9210 Жыл бұрын

What temperature did you use to get the PVC the pliable? And a 10 minute soak at that temperature?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I set the oven for 130° C. The first piece took about 10 minute to soften. The later ones went a little faster.

@Todestelzer Жыл бұрын

I think I would have bought a 3d printer with bigger plate or glue multiple parts together 😅 I own a Voron 2.4 350mm. Would definitely printed it. ABS or in PC-Blend.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Those Voron are amazon printers. Do you think you can print a container which is fluid tight? on mine it would not be, but I guess I dont have it dialed in well enough.

@Todestelzer Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP with 3-5mm thick walls? Sure. 100% infill and a little bit over extruding. But does it have to be 100% water tight anyway? If it has to be 100% food safe/water tight I spray it with paint in general.

@carloeffigiati7275 Жыл бұрын

This is really extremely interesting, also because I am planning to buy a similar tank. If I got it correctly, there is no gasket at all between the lid and the tank, am I right?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

No there isn't, The tank is not for inverting. You agitate by turning the whole reel, using the shaft of the spindle which pokes up through the funnel. I did think about putting a seal of some sort on there. My idea would be to out a circle of kids bike tube rubber, and put it on the lid, between the inner and outer light seal lips.

@MacMiskenn Жыл бұрын

Never predrill plastics, they're usually quite grabby materials 😅

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Good tip.

@adagioleopard6415 Жыл бұрын

Making things to the Sims one soundtrack!

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

;) The range of royalty free music on YT is a bit limited.

@adagioleopard6415 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP Hahaha! Soft piano music always makes me think of Sims 1

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@adagioleopard6415 My kids were bit SIM's fans.

@adagioleopard6415 Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP we got The Sims on a disk in a magazine and used to play it for hours!

@MezeiEugen 11 ай бұрын

It has a reason the original is made of transparent plastic. Yeah, tape that hole. You must be the type who enters a store without letting people come out first.

@RotarySMP 11 ай бұрын

Which part are you referring to?

@MezeiEugen 11 ай бұрын

@@RotarySMP I refer to the spirals. They were made of transparent plastic so you can do reversal developing. (Films are intended for projecting, after all. Especially the 8 mm amateur ones.) Or you mean the hole (that you are so proudly filling with plastic)? That hole is there so the air can escape when you pour the developer/fixer in.

@iNerdier Жыл бұрын

Oh wow. I’m going to have to make one of these. And by make I mean do a hack job of a terribly rough approximation. I had the same problem with potassium permanganate / sodium bisulphate bleach not bleaching enough and discovered that everyone was suggesting potassium dichromate (as you said, banned) instead. I keep meaning to try a rehalogenating reversal instead which apparently also doesn’t make the emulsion so delicate either. Next task, automated agitator with a stepper motor?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I think the next project in this chain for me will be a telecine. I did scan that one film by hand, but it took forever, and the results sucked. I need to find a 16mm projector to serve as a base for modification.

@Anonymouspock Жыл бұрын

it probably *should* be banned, hexavalent chromium is awful stuff

@iNerdier Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymouspock in this form it ends up in an oxidation state that isn’t carcinogenic but in general yes, improperly disposed of chromium salts are, bad.

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymouspock It already has been banned in europe. That is why Fomo switch to the Potassiu permanganate based bleach.

@trollforge Жыл бұрын

I hope you are going to post that 16mm video here now too...

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

I posted the best bits to the Beaulieu R16 camera review. To be honest the, the scanning was so sketchy, that there is not much worth showing. I need to make up an automated telecine, to get decent results.

@trollforge Жыл бұрын

@@RotarySMP BTW, do you have a 16mm projector?

@RotarySMP Жыл бұрын

@@trollforge Not yet. I plan to get one, and modify it to be the base of my film scanner.