Local Florist’s Transit Van Broke Down & Won’t Start! Let’s Get Them Back On The Road!

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24 күн бұрын

When you have a business vehicle in the shop you know it’s going to be really important to get them back on the road quickly! That was the case with this local business whose Transit became a no crank no start and they got it towed to the shop. Not only are they having to pay for repairs, but they’re also losing money not being able to use the van.
In this video you’ll get some great testing techniques that will help you with no crank, no start conditions. This wasn’t the most complicated diagnosis but we promise you that you’ll definitely get something out of it that you can use down the line. We hope it helps. Enjoy!
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@ablackformula 21 күн бұрын

In terms of testing the relay without a relay tester... find a relay that's the same in the relay box. I like the horn. Test the horn first, to prove it works. Then put the starter relay in the horn relay's spot. If the horn honks.. your starter relay is good!

@RobertJohnson-kv6dr 22 күн бұрын

For all the numptys on here, you think this man doesn't know to go straight to the starter to do voltage drop test or 12v supply and body ground. He owns a garage, lol 😅😅 this video for for education for people who don't know everything he showed. For those that know this stuff, GREAT move on. It's YOU Tube you're free to watch or not watch lol 😅 get a life! Great content, especially for those that would directly go to the starter then not know what to do next, ignore the haters. One of the genuine guys who like to do it right. Especially the last bit, turning engine over for seizure, had that before. 💪

@reubenjohnson3865 21 күн бұрын

Can't beat learning in a real world situation. Well done!

@fascistpedant758 21 күн бұрын

To be fair, he's presenting this as a diagnostic process, not a tutorial on the entire starting system. It would be much more efficient to start at the starter relay or the starter itself.

@alexandergunaka666 16 күн бұрын

@@fascistpedant758 Exactly. This is a case of having too many tools and over complicating things too quick. Start with the basics and move up. Check battery, try to jump the starter, and then pull out wiring diagrams. Cars are still cars I see starters go out more often than the electrical system connected with them.

@ihavethedocuments2580 14 күн бұрын

Yes indeed, he is absolutely right. With a seized engine you can't even here a click, nothing.

@ihavethedocuments2580 14 күн бұрын

This man is a very professional mechanic

@thomaskennedy2942 21 күн бұрын

The ol hammer trick. It's gotten me home more than once throughout the years. Cheers from Savannah 🎉

@Xander-H 21 күн бұрын

What are all you smart guys gonna do when the starter is under the intake? Are you gonna check there first and commit to pulling an intake on a whim? I've been there when i was a parts changer new to the field. Had 4 hours into a vehicle somebody else diagnosed as a starter, and when i turned the key, no crank still. Checked battery voltage with a jumper pack on battery posts in case it was weak and it wasn't. Moved negative clamp on the jumper pack from battery ground to block and car started. The actual fix was the ground strap that was open next to the exhaust. This guy knows his stuff and the channel is great for learning how to do it right the first time. I've learned a lot from them in the past year as I've been learning diag and scoping. Keep up the great videos Royalty Auto!!

@user-ee1ki5lz5e 18 күн бұрын

moronnn

@alexandergunaka666 16 күн бұрын

He said he didn’t know every car. I’m under the car with a power probe and a long skinny screwdriver.

@Xander-H 16 күн бұрын

@alexandergunaka666 power probe is great for voltage drop tests and I strike the starter too in the hopes of unsticking it if I'm ever in that situation. But my last comment was aimed at the youtube comment experts, not at Royalty Auto who knows what they are doing.

@alexandergunaka666 16 күн бұрын

@@Xander-H Got it. My bad I misunderstood. While I’m here what ones are you referring to? You gotta have a couple in mind when you made the comment. I got a few Hondas in my mind.

@alexandergunaka666 16 күн бұрын

@@Xander-H and I meant to try and jump the stater not wack it.

@johnchambers12 22 күн бұрын

That was a good video to refresh voltage drop in my memory. Nice green crusty find too. I did the hammer trick with a rubber mallet once and the customer didn’t want a new starter till the next morning when it didn’t start. Tow job was $185 their mistake and they had to wait for an opening in my schedule.

@Mr2004MCSS 22 күн бұрын

Great video in showing how to do a voltage drop where you don't have to do the math. I've seen a lot of people teach it the other way. Reading the comments, a lot of people were saying to go to the starter first but in some cases it's not easily accessible and a fuse box usually is, so it just makes sense to jump the load side of the relay to see if the starter engages. If it does, there is no need to go to the starter and now you look at the control side of the relay for the problem.

@ronaldbrosius7488 22 күн бұрын

In a situation like this it could also have a bad engine ground !! Easy to check with a test light to ground and touch the engine block, and crank. If it lights up, bad engine ground. Fix the ground and will be good! Test don't guess!!

@brianm9007 22 күн бұрын

Ummm..he did that. When he tested the voltage drop of the starter casing. He had his meter from battery negative to the starter casing (ground). If the engine ground was bad, the meter would have shown voltage (not necessarily battery, but something more than 0.01V) as the potential built up on the engine block. Since there was no real potential difference between the casing and the battery negative, the engine ground can be assumed to be good.

@funguy1086 22 күн бұрын

We used to have a joke at the dealership where anytime anything was wrong with a vehicle, someone would ask "did you try tapping the starter!?" Lol.

@arthurrodesiler3109 21 күн бұрын

Same goes for the fuel pump in the tank. They could have put that fuel motor anyplace other than inside the gas tank. Now they also put the fuel filter on the pump motor in the gas tank. You have to buy everything for just a fuel pump or the fuel filter. The fuel pump and filter should have been inside the frame. So you pay for things you don't need. And gas inside the tank is no fun replacing the fuel pump with a near full tank. I hate doing a fuel pump worse than anything else. Gas fumes and gas any spark you are history. I don't know why the DOT or someone has not sued them for them doing that.

@davidsawyer1599 22 күн бұрын

Great job! Educating those who want to be educated. A requirement of a youtube channel is thick skin. I personally appreciate the efforts that are gone to.

@Mariosuper713 22 күн бұрын

Love the video the level of education you guys bring is amazing.

@thatrealba 22 күн бұрын

Videos like this are fantastic for someone like me, who is thinking of doing Ford specialty stuff out of his own shop.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Good job, Sherwood. Thanks for putting up with my comments.

@docohm50 13 күн бұрын

I am a retired avionics mech. Loved this! Reminded me of T/S aircraft. Sometimes it's not going to be a battery or a relay or a starter. You did an awesome job showing them how to break down the wiring. 👍

@garysgarage3669 21 күн бұрын

Great video. I know you're teaching and explaining everything so you're going the long way. I always start at either the starter relay or the starter, because in my experience it's usually the starter. Thank you :)

@jayandmargie 21 күн бұрын

Very thorough video. Thanks for taking us along for the ride!

@moog2961 22 күн бұрын

Think a few commenters are missing the point. Yes there’s quicker ways and more direct ways to get to the answer but the guys always try and put some learning points over too and they try and show their thinking and game plan to diagnose the problem that leads to a confirmed first time fix. Well done fellas. Keep on posting.

@londen3547 19 күн бұрын

Most guys would have done the hammer trick followed by shorting the power and solenoid lugs on back of the starter to see if it turns over. Some 'nice to know' things in the video however.

@richard1835 22 күн бұрын

Thank you Royalty Auto Service. Great diagnostic video.

@bmwlane8834 2 күн бұрын

I thought I was back Vegas with that door ring! Lol. Dang slots still taking my money! Lol

@SteelHoarse 22 күн бұрын

Very good instructional video! THANK YOU! Please keep them coming……

@biopticmammal 18 күн бұрын

I love watching your videos 💯... Keep up the good work 🤜💥🤛

@bikerboy6985 21 күн бұрын

Very simple and helpful ways to explain nicely done appreciate it

@wilmarbarrick3194 22 күн бұрын

3:15 If you know basic principles and can think in terms of systems, you don't need to know every car.

@juanfgonzalez2039 22 күн бұрын

Love all the Acknowledge u have 👍👍🔥🔥🔥

@billsmith2212 22 күн бұрын

I believe most , if not all , of the " newer " starters use permanent magnets . They will crack if you wail on the starter with a hammer . Some people use a rubber mallet . The shock moves the starter off a bad spot , if that is the problem .

@TheMasterHackUS 22 күн бұрын

Not to Self: Whoever made that door chime needs to be stopped

@TXCherokee 22 күн бұрын

Driver door was open. And key on to scan. That why ding Maybe close door shoot video thru window

@ThunderbirdRocket 21 күн бұрын

I liked it . Very helpful ! Interesting content / case ! Learning lots from you sir ! Thanks . 👊🏼 🔥

@robertfrancisco1193 22 күн бұрын

spot on Sherwood!!!!!!!

@ysitrim88 21 күн бұрын

Thanks Sherwood!

@dgoulian 22 күн бұрын

Great video, thanks!

@chrisrainville6324 6 күн бұрын

Great video!

@chillydog420 22 күн бұрын

Always learn something new.

@robertmobileman8304 22 күн бұрын

thanks anyway , your doing just fine, good job

@jschirr 11 күн бұрын

great content as usual

@shaunblakemore7150 21 күн бұрын

Good job 👍

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Nice yellow toolbox.❤️

@AAB371 22 күн бұрын

good job

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Good job racking up the van for a basketball player.😮At least we can see your nice tattoo.

@113036stat 22 күн бұрын

Proper diag thanks!

@piqua793 22 күн бұрын

I think my first test after the neutral check would be the starter, then work my way back if I needed.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Yep! Keep it simple with the basics.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

I’m old school. I would only scan the OBD if a check engine light is on. Otherwise, I would just check the starter circuit.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Hopefully, the shop has more than one van.

@DependableAutoTruck 22 күн бұрын

Only thing i think you skipped was checking the voltage on the battery wire going to the starter for 12 volts at the starter. you checked for drop but if no voltage was there wouldn't be a drop. you checked the exciter wire both ways but not the main battery wire unless i missed it

@martinarrieta248 22 күн бұрын

Grasias

@swampyfox8688 22 күн бұрын

Ugh!! Sherwood 3 is really getting raked over the “door chime coals” You poor guy. Cut the kid some slack ya crybaby Karens. 😂

@philc824 19 күн бұрын

It’s ok to close the door and roll down the window in your video

@richard1835 22 күн бұрын

Yes I heard the relay close.

@kdmq 14 күн бұрын

One of the biggest statements you will hear from any automotive teacher is "if a relay clicks, it doesn't mean it's good". I will say that, in my experience, whenever a relay is clicking, it DOES mean the entire CONTROL circuit is good (including the pull-in coil within the relay). Reason being is that it takes a few hundred milliamps to get a good strong click out of a relay, so, when you observe a good strong relay click, either by hearing or feeling, you have already proven at least some wiring integrity all the way through the control circuit from power to ground, even if there are 100 modules involved in enabling the relay.

@michaelpistilli5823 20 күн бұрын

Intermittent crank when it would crank voltage drop across the solonoid in millivolts when it wouldnt crank voltage drop around 2 volts

@JrSpitty 21 күн бұрын

just jump the starter relay and see if the vehicles cranks over... if it cranks you know its a control side issue, if it doesn't then you know its a power side issue. easiest way to immediately rule out one side of the starter circuit.

@Taillighttim26 22 күн бұрын

Its good to know how to use the process of elimination to know exactly what you need to do before just throwing a starter in sometimes the obvious is not the whole problem

@davidfunk5859 22 күн бұрын

These are all things that I would check for sure, but I think I would’ve started with. Do I have cranking power in the battery, then lift it and see if the solenoid wire lights off under Start because it does light off and doesn’t work you don’t have to do anything else it’s a bad starter. But I enjoyed the video anyways.

@mikesabin8568 22 күн бұрын

I bet that voltage on the control side negative of the relay you were seeing was bias voltage from the computer

@deerhunter8533 22 күн бұрын

Yes, most computers will send a bias voltage thru a resistor on sensor reference grounds and relay ground control circuits for diagnostic purposes

@arthurrodesiler3109 21 күн бұрын

I use my Power Probe more all the time for stuff like this.

@toddcathyfranklin4189 19 күн бұрын

Just like old fords check relay silonod on fender wall even tapping on it Tapping on starter worked on my 1973 nova till I got money for a new one

@philh9238 20 күн бұрын

I don’t know about that zenith. Autel would still win hands down in a comparison I’d say. But it’s good to try a new Chinese scanner every now and again

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Maybe you’re supposed to print out the wiring diagram. That way it wouldn’t jump around while explaining the circuit.

@harveypaxton1232 22 күн бұрын

Did you replace the the starter relay after you replaced the starter? Seeing the arc you were drawing with the jumper, I would suspect the relay contacts maybe a little burned. Take care!

@miraciamiracia8007 22 күн бұрын

In a real world situation, I would go straight to the starter and check voltage drop and ground, make sure when you try to crank the engine ,you get 12v going to the solenoid before checking fuses and relay. I know the video is for educational purposes but starting from the starter would save you a lot of time, Just my opinion. I work only on Ford trucks. When you have a code for starter performance, 95 percent of the time it will be a bad starter. Good video though!

@zm6301 13 күн бұрын

If there's easy access, then yes, testing directly at the starter is the way to go, especially with a high diagnosis rate of 90%. Otherwise, testing at the relay is the best way to go, it bisects the system before having to potentially lift the vehicle or pull an intake.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Get use to beeping. This world is filled with electronic noise. Especially the electric cars making that space ship sound.

@anthonydagostino7782 22 күн бұрын

Customer: I need to get this vehicle back on the road ASAP. Mechanic: Perfect time to make a video!

@theroyaltyautoservice 22 күн бұрын

This was a Thursday afternoon. When they broke down we were going into the following Monday on our schedule. That’s what we told them as far as expectation. When we knew we had caught up and had the time we decided to make the video and diagnose it. Did this around 1 that afternoon, ordered a Motorcraft starter around 2:15 after doing the video, and they picked up that night so they had for the weekend. They were thrilled. So that would be the context of back quick. An extra 30 minutes wasn’t the end of the world. 👍

@jamesdooley713 20 күн бұрын

@theroyaltyautoservice also over 90,000 people just saw this company's logo so free marketing for them

@anthonydagostino7782 20 күн бұрын

@@theroyaltyautoservice lol Just flickin ya shit

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Are you a delivery driver? Sounds like you have experience in that field?

@anthonydagostino7782 13 күн бұрын

@@Michael-yi4mc Yes haha

@34979Charlie 22 күн бұрын

No mechanic here, but I´m pretty sure after checking the health of the battery I would´ve gone straight to the starter and worked back from there.. there´s either power there when cranking or not :)

@gabrielmejia-pedroza7221 22 күн бұрын

Exactly what I do with no crank no start scenarios lol

@mrblonde2013 22 күн бұрын

"No mechanic here", you said it yourself. After confirming the battery is good, its logical to go to the relay first. As it sits in the middle of the starting system, testing there will give you direction. Not all starting problems are caused by the startermotor, if one would spend more then 10 minutes in the field actually diagnosing cars, you will discover that many no cranks are NOT startermotor related.

@zm6301 13 күн бұрын

It all depends on access. Going to the starter after confirming the battery is good means potentially lifting the vehicle or removing the intake. In general, it makes better sense to do checks at the relay before going to the starter.

@JettaRedIII 22 күн бұрын

First step is to get it on a lift and bang the starter while your cameraman tries to start it!

@mean-streak8871 22 күн бұрын

Is All that extra stuff something you would normally do or it just for the sake of content to make a video? So much simpler to go to starter in the first place

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Careful with the low hanging fruit. It always bumps my head while walking under the tree.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

I love my Apple tablet.

@marlinyoung1606 21 күн бұрын

You guys could’ve tripped the door, how does that not drive you crazy.

@matttretheway5107 19 күн бұрын

As someone who owns a workshop and does this daily I can tell you after many years we basically don't even notice it and/or just tune it out. However watching a video and listening to it as an outside it did drive me crazy and I know how my customers feel when they are standing beside me while I'm looking at their car listening now haha

@benrogers771 10 күн бұрын

Ive worked on so many fords i hear the door chime in my sleep haha

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

You need a five thousand dollar scanner to diagnose a license plate bulb? Another reason why I’m keeping my 2000 Toyota. Keep it simple!

@robertbarnhardt9792 17 күн бұрын

Wow I w go to check battery conn first then starter

@ronaldkurys2811 20 күн бұрын

Close the door latch with a screwdriver and you can silence the annoying dinger binger

@rickypisarchick5608 19 күн бұрын

What kind of numbers would be considered bad on the voltage drop testing.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

I use a simple Fluke multimeter to check the relay. Who needs a scanner for such a simple circuit?

@jeffsmith2144 20 күн бұрын

Just found the best sleeping tablet in the world!!😮. Auto electrics 😅

@jamesandrews1130 14 күн бұрын

Are you sure you should be doing car video instead of fitness, videos. I am one of the guys who would go to the starter first and then i would be lost. Good work, Thank you.

@roywhite7833 19 күн бұрын

I know what’s wrong with it, ain’t got no gas in it! Lol.

@harveywalker1560 20 күн бұрын

Old school, measure twice cut once

@sheerwillsurvival2064 22 күн бұрын

90+k getting closer

@MarzNet256 19 күн бұрын

Hey Ford, do you think we could have a quiet service mode so we don't have to hear that silly chime all the time?

@pudermcgavin4462 22 күн бұрын

Lin overlay for the win?

@pudermcgavin4462 22 күн бұрын

Or bad grille shutters cuz for some reason that is a thing for Ford's!

@juanfgonzalez2039 22 күн бұрын

Look at all the bunch of Karen. Crying about a door😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤦‍♂️

@titaniumspecial4207 15 күн бұрын

Video not complete after all that, the new starter install wasn't included.

@randyweitzel5071 22 күн бұрын

Show people how to tap on gas tank with anything handy when a fuel pump acts up til you can repair it with a new fuel pump

@sheerwillsurvival2064 22 күн бұрын

You have a U activate also 😉

@FiresideCC 22 күн бұрын

It's at the other shop though

@sheerwillsurvival2064 22 күн бұрын

@@FiresideCC 👍🏻

@bombsaway6340 22 күн бұрын

If you want it bad, that’s the way you will get it

@forresta65 14 күн бұрын

there is a reason that it is called diagnosis

@zaraahmad5618 21 күн бұрын

but that ac part two was never record if you never gonna shoot that 2nd part why bother the 1st part regardless?

@alenmihelcic8267 22 күн бұрын

Please title

@oldtimer6528 22 күн бұрын

Ford needs to come up with a different chime. It's been the same one since the dinosaurs.

@thatrealba 22 күн бұрын

So?

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

Rule number one. Never borrow tools. Just saying.

@robertmobileman8304 22 күн бұрын

annoying door ajar noise

@theroyaltyautoservice 22 күн бұрын

Yep we dropped the ball on that one man. 😢Sorry. We won’t make the same mistake again.

@Michael-yi4mc 13 күн бұрын

@@theroyaltyautoservice👍Welcome to the world of electronic sounds.

@ianharper4029 22 күн бұрын

First

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