Creative financing! Have you ever heard of loyalty incentives (deferred income and deferred expense)? Yormark said at media days that the Big 12 has grown by 40% in the last two years. So, would you purchase a stock that has grown by 40% in the last two years with the prospect of greater growth in the future? This is not a hard question! Has the SEC or the Big 10 grown that fast? No! Think about the disruptive innovations of the Big 10 and ask yourself it that is an investment you would want to have a piece of the action in.

@@dfausti66 Hmmm... The BIG12 has grown 60% from 10 to 16 members but only grew in total value by 40%?

dissention? It may cause mutiny...where are the votes going to come from for this plan?

It would legitimize the Big12 as a football conference

@@jcfilms4433 Not likely. CLEMSON and FSU would depreciate down to the same fungible Tier 2 level.

Sure I'm sure you know all back channel communications 😂

Nobody!

@tarheel7406 you think it's a downgrade; perhaps they don't give a ___ what you think..?

Yeah, this is all a pipe dream.

No matter how many times we go over this, it goes over your head. FSU and Clemson would get more money from the Big 12 than a rebuilt ACC or just staying in the ACC. The Big 12 is on a current media deal for a 12 team conference. You add FSU and Clemson that number drastically goes up for our new media rights deal in 2030-2031 by adding the 4 corner schools, FSU, and Clemson. People keep referring to our media deal, which is only 4m less than what the ACC had as a 14 team conference plus ND for non football sports. Adding the 4 corners alone, not to mention if FSU and Clemson do come to the Big 12, it will drastically raise that value, it's indisputable. You can hang on academics and prestige all you want, but the stats show over the past 25 years the Big 12 beats the ACC in all football metrics, outside of Clemson winning national titles. Clemson leaving the ACC and coming to the Big 12 is better for them, because they carried the ACC in football. They will get to play more across the board quality programs that are all bought in on football, and the CFP will greatly value an 18 team league with FSU and Clemson over the ACC, making it easier for both institutions to make it to the CFP. Academics and "prestige" will not give the ACC more money than what the new Big 12 brings in viewership and football product on the field. Not to mention since NIL and the portal changes the Big 12 is winning in basketball over the ACC. More tournament bids, and more national titles since NIL and portal changes. Facts are facts. Edit: Yes I'm aware OU and Texas had the most viewership in the Big 12, however Colorado alone almost had more views than OU and Texas combined last year.

@@user-qh5rm4hi4k The BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4 on all major factors, especially from the perspective of the members of the other P4s. I go by their respective perspectives, not from the trailer park Tier 2 BIG12 perspective.

a) I agree that at some point money ceases to have a material marginal effect; however, the fact that tentpoles are consolidating for peer revenue proves were aren't there yet. b) If CLEMSON and/or FSU take the walk of shame to the BIG12, there would be no more clout.

There will be no peer P3.

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

@@tarheel7406 I just don’t believe it. I have a sneaking suspicion that the SEC has kind of willingly hamstrung itself into being “the regional conference,” while the B1G is the “national conference.” Maybe the SEC adds North Carolina or Virginia or Kansas but I don’t see them adding, say, Utah. So when it comes down to it, I see them accumulating all the decent teams south of, or around, the Mason Dixon and being content with it unless or until they get a new commissioner. So I think, ultimately, Clemson and FSU are inevitabilities.

@@KR-si3dx That’s a pretty good take actually. The national vs regional conferences theory is what we’re seeing and could be how it plays out.

Please take Auburn.😂

@@KR-si3dx And yet the hamstrung regional conference as you call us, had the highest viewership in the country. Ok then.

They are still massive brands whether they have a good year or not

The Big 12 invests in culture and then value growth. Does FSU and Clemson think they can compete with schools they don't know very well like Utah, BYU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, or any of the other great schools of the Big 12. Besides, the Big 12 has more than just media rights to leverage in acquiring additional schools like entertainment revenues, international revenues, partnership revenues with the NFL, etc. Media Rights is a shrinking percentage of revenues because of our diversification of asset classes. Yes, Yormark thinks of the Big 12 as a portfolio company of school brands seeking to elevate school brands in "being the best version of themselves!"

@@dfausti66 Curious... What is the culture and brand of the new BIG12?

@@tarheel7406 NOT Hockey, field hockey or soccer like the ACC, thankfully!!

@@Joe-sm9qj a) The ACC's brand includes basketball due to overwhelming dominance on top of elite academics and overall sports. b) I see that you could not answer the actual question that was asked. I agree, the BIG12 has no unifying brand nor culture.

TX/OK didn't have the lift. CLEMSON/FSU won't and will depreciate in the BIG12.

@@tarheel7406 "lift" - LOL. more gibberish.

@@user-qh5rm4hi4k Do you honestly don't know what "lift" means in this context?

ESPN, the Big 12's major media rights owner and the owner of the FBS playoffs is pulling the shots on this one and they want FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, and Stanford in the Big 12. This is a huge investment for ESPN as a strategic advantage against the media partners of the Big 10 and SEC. ESPN still wants to be number one among media rights companies and right now they are seeing the 40% growth rate in the Big 12 over the last two years compared to the portfolio performance of the SEC and Big 10 growth rate and pushing for greater growth in the years to come with the Big 12. So, when Yormark says we are pushing to become number one, he is not kidding around.

@@dfausti66 Delusional. I'm sure the G5s aim to be the best conference as well.

I suspect that the B1G will wait out ND+1. What ND does will have no direct effect on the SEC's plans.

~75% chance FSU is a refugee that lands in the BIG12.

Huh? Landing in the new BIG12 is a "massive failure".

@@tarheel7406 FSU not going to the big 12

@@louiet4905I was doubtful myself but there sure are a lot of reports coming out. PE is supposedly changing the game entirely for the Big12.

@@louiet4905 If the SEC and B1G are only going to 20, what's FSU's path that doesn't most likely end in the BIG12?

They always are.

CLEMSON has good relationships with UNC, UVA & DUKE. Perhaps also with ND. FSU doesn't, certainly not after going scorched earth. FSU will likely be forced out of the ACC if it doesn't leave. There is no forever.

Rumor has it that the SEC and B1G are very turned off by FSUs behavior over the last year. Heard Clemson has a much better relationship with the SEC and B1G

@@jcfilms4433 big ten will raid the ACC in this order if they want: Florida state, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, Clemson. Clemson could be left behind because they have similar revenue to Bowling Green. Sec has zero desire, as long as SC is in the conference.

@@Joe-sm9qj Lol that’s the dumbest thing I’ve seen all day. Thank uou

@@jcfilms4433 Joke's on you. Only recently has Clemson made buck. Prior to 2012 they generated revenue similar to bowling green. If they don't win in the big 10, there's not much else Clemson offers. Fan base is small, south Carolina is flagship school, Georgia and Georgia Tech are competing for the same fan base. I know the area and it's full of pine trees and plenty of non-clemson fans.