I always check for master pins even in residential. Some builders use contractor keyed locks that contain master pins. On older homes it may have been a rental at some time that was masterkeyed. Never hurts to check every lock, every time. I find it doesn't take much time and I find master pins in locks where you would never expect them. #lockboss
@DavidLindes Жыл бұрын
I'm planning to master-pin my house... So, yeah. :) (The house is technically a duplex, and while I'm currently just using it as a big house, I want to have keys that only open one unit or the other, in addition to a master key for everything, so... yeah, that's the plan. :) )
@societyofprofessionallocks23084 жыл бұрын
You missed checking the bottom pin to top pin sizing for each pin cell or chamber. When rekeying cylinders like Sargent and Schlage you must consider Pin Stack Height to prevent spring compression. If you replace a low bitting or smaller pin with a longer or deeper one without replacing the top pin the spring may crush when you insert your change key and may even trap the key. The performance of the cylinder may suffer due to "Key Insertion Pressure". If you apply the same considerations when replacing larger bottom pins with smaller you would have less spring pressure, etc. The CLK pin kit chart shown in the video shows the correct size top pins for each bottom pin. Be sure to check it out and use it when needed. Make another video explaining this and keep up these amazing and well constructed Five Star educational videos! You're a winner PJ!
@rogerhupp31152 жыл бұрын
Made this exact mistake before. Luckily I was able to get the key out and once I dumped the top pins, I realized my mistake.
@mrjaybennett80 Жыл бұрын
I have never in life rekeyed anything, I watched this one time and understood the entire process. There is a guy here that is charging people to do this as if anyone has time to mail their locks to this guy and wait for it to come back. He also makes it seem like you must replace the wagers which you don’t. Thank you my man you are awesome
@lockWK-ij4vu3 жыл бұрын
I have this master pin follower it's nice and all, but just don't trust it. I find it faster to just dump the cylinder on a pinning mat then to check the chambers individually. It also gives you better look at the springs and wear on the top pins in older locks. Also you can check the uper chambers for wear.
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Good point - PJ
@inspectorbaldbeard12112 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@rmsg75042 жыл бұрын
I don't usually have time to dump every lock!!!!
@aperson9495 Жыл бұрын
With that Pro-Lok follower, be careful of the engraving on the low area. I ran into the top pins binding in the engraving and had a heck of a time getting it to release them.
@Pyrolock4 жыл бұрын
I use the HPC TPIN-2 Top Pin Loader after letting all the drivers and springs fly out by just pulling out the plug without a follower (check to make sure all springs are out)-- Load up the HPC Top Pin Loader with new springs & proper size drivers. Then I know I've loaded new springs with the proper length drivers. A fast way to load springs & drivers (as long as you are aware to use the correct drivers in relation to the key pins / key bitting). A bit of a pain, but works for me ALSO the Keedex "EZ LOAD" is a great tool for doing chambers one at a time -- simple & fast.
@daviddaly92323 жыл бұрын
I use the master pin follower for every lock I re-key....without fail for the reasons you stated in the video.
@cdmcfall2 жыл бұрын
Got to keep a lookout for the rare master pin that exceeds .100" though.
@jamesperry65362 жыл бұрын
I just bought the master key followed. The follower should have been made with a ramp on the top front so it can be removed out the back of the lock cylinder without trapping the longer top pins after the master pins are removed. Sometimes it can’t be rotated to remove the follower from the lock cylinder. Try it. Jim
@DarkEmpathy1872 жыл бұрын
Not only for the cross keying scenario, but sometimes the key itself won't release. Which is a tell tale sign that a larger master pin is in the cylinder that the follow through tube didn't get.
@dps5707Ай бұрын
As a new lock smither, that tool is nice
@derekbroestler76874 жыл бұрын
Definitely not checking for top pins, ALWAYS check, even if the customer tells you it's NOT masterkeyed.... Also, because you said "assuming it's a large office building job", but even if it's just a multi door residential... another thing I'd like to bring up... label the cylinders... (I use sharpie on the back) that way everything goes back where it was... A lot of times, especially if you're dealing with older or "well used but still functional" hardware, doors that have settled, etc... putting the exact cylinder back in the exact same locks can save some time.... It's one of those things that "IN THEORY" shouldn't make a difference, but you add a few years of heavy use, and even if the cylinder's still good, it can be a time saver.
@DarkEmpathy1872 жыл бұрын
Yep, I learned the hard way on rekeying a movie theater, by myself, years ago. On larger jobs, ALWAYS MARK and put the same cylinders back on the doors/locks they came from. Some of the KIK cylinders were modified and I hadn't noticed. Took me an extra 30-45 min. to find out where they were supposed to go. #LessonLearned
@darrylparrish68058 ай бұрын
I like the Pro Lock LT. 370 , didn't know about this tool. Thanks
@matsteele64372 жыл бұрын
I tend to drop all top pins out for any commercial building rekey. I can check for master pins, check correct length top pins and that the springs are still good. Also provides a chance for me to upsell the client to spool or security pins for future pick resistance
@clksupplies2 жыл бұрын
Shaweet!!-PJ
@curley65314 жыл бұрын
cj, great video! i actually use same version of prolok follower. it makes it so much easier. like how you showed everybody the correct way of using!
@clksupplies4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry -PJ
@wallywrench984411 ай бұрын
Shove the tweezers in three deep drop the masters and repeat on the rear of cylinder. Favorite plug follower is what learned on HPC hollow brass follower. Still using the same plug follower from 1998 and on my 4 shim.
@clksupplies11 ай бұрын
Impressive!!! -PJ
@kenchilton2 жыл бұрын
If I suspect master pins, I just let the guts spill on the table. After this, I clean the cylinder, which it often needs, and put each spring and driver back in with tweezers. I have found a lot of messed up springs doing it this way, and feel better about having a fully clean, inspected, and lubricated mechanism before it goes back to work for my tenants.
@kenhoggard70444 жыл бұрын
Man I've got to get one of those! That would have saved sooo much time.
@yrtuag4 жыл бұрын
I have the master pin follower, purchase it from CLK Supplies 👍😎🤠🇺🇸
@andrechristopher433810 ай бұрын
That's was a awesome tool the lck. I'm trying to get those pins out but don't have the best tool. Thank You for sharing and showing. Andre C.
@billinphoenix2554 жыл бұрын
Large Commercial bldg., I put all pins in order in a pin tray and try to call the bldg owner to ask if this still needs to be on the master. If yes I can usually decode for the master, some owners have keying charts to obtain a new change key bitting. If charts are not available you can look at other keys, possibly in a key cabinet to see what key cuts have been used and what other cuts can be used without interchange, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY !
@wallywrench984411 ай бұрын
I check every cylinder being re-keyed for top pins, master, and springs. Have had new locks missing springs and or top pins. Also can check for to short or worn springs and stuck top pins. Takes like 3-5 seconds to check everything.
@ken_9359 Жыл бұрын
After awhile I just started dumping everything out. Top pins and springs just to check everything out. Did this when master keying a building. Don't want any extra master pins slipping in there.
@ahungryzygote2917 Жыл бұрын
That tool will come greatly in handy thanks!
@stuartfuller6089 Жыл бұрын
Keedex master pin follower is my favorite.
@chriswalter29714 жыл бұрын
I've had issues trying to spin it back when security pins are present
@clksupplies4 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, I will have to put some security pins in and try it! Do you find the problem with Spool, Serrated, or both? -PJ
@chriswalter29714 жыл бұрын
@@clksupplies I've only tried it with spool pins never tried it with serrated as I'm usually rekeying Schlage OEM locks that have come with the spool pins already in them
@chriswalter29714 жыл бұрын
But honestly if I'm re-keying a lock that has been on a building for quite a while I usually put new Springs and top pins in any way since I'm already out there
@thelockpickinglebowski6334 жыл бұрын
@@chriswalter2971 Yeah, I dump all chambers and when I'm finished I'll know exactly what's in there. But I use the Keedex EZ loader: www.clksupplies.com/products/keedex-ez-load-quick-drive-spring-loading-tool
@wattvoltamp4 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem
@user-iu6en1ng7v6 ай бұрын
Thanks for that valuable Info. I have to get that tool Vaughn BK Locks
@ramonduenas64639 ай бұрын
I like to use the special tool for the master pins
@RUSHCOW123323 ай бұрын
How long has this tool been around? Will this model work on Schlage "C" cylinders?
@daviddaly92323 жыл бұрын
I use the Pro-lok follower every time!
@jeffmoss264 жыл бұрын
I just do it manually, but I do have a Keedex follower that is quite nice for demastering.
@clksupplies4 жыл бұрын
Yes it is!
@dildodildoroody-roo10182 жыл бұрын
If I suspect masters I check a few positions and then dump everything as soon as I find anything. Works everytime.
@tweakmode8083 ай бұрын
I definitely need to order extra parts. I always tend to lose parts but luckily I tend to hoard old locks that I have something to figure it out but would be nice to have organized parts #lockboss
@jimsutton44567 ай бұрын
Can a 6-pin key fit into a 5-pin cylinder. if that's what's provided in a rekey kit?
@SaltyBob3553 жыл бұрын
Brilliant bro! I won’t do this, but handy to ask my locksmith if he’s checking for those on my house. Idk if it’s standard practice to use master pins on a house, but nice to know!
@RolandsDad3 жыл бұрын
It is not. You may come across "contractor keys" which function on a similar principle but only for one use. (There is a small pocket which holds the function physically after the first use). This is wildly uncommon to be utilized in my experience.
@rmsg75042 жыл бұрын
Yeah try that with an F series, the top pins come out too regardless of the special follower. ON the plus side, I like the technique with the tweezers. Surprisingly I never thought of that although I might try it with a screwdriver instead.
@Aepek2 жыл бұрын
Master Pin Follower for sure; but; as you probably did at some point….learning to use “tweezers” a d do other way can be important, but having a Master Pin Follower is definitely easier as saves so much time👍🏻
@JosephPadamonsky2 ай бұрын
great tool b ut what about adding security pins #lockboss
@marcelholman79594 ай бұрын
Love the right tool
@2815Juan4 жыл бұрын
I’ve had that follower. But a few years ago switched to the Keedex. Seems smoother for me
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! -PJ
@mikes31373 жыл бұрын
What do you when it comes to using the follower for master pins and there spool pins ? Usually the spool pins 2 or 3 get caught and have to start a whole new Rekeying of lock including spring and top pins ... any suggestions 🤔
@Me-2-l8rАй бұрын
Wouldn't you want it still master pinned or are you re-keying to a single key system for the client
@clksuppliesАй бұрын
Really just making sure master pins are not the cylinder that I don’t want -PJ
@williammurrayphotography4 жыл бұрын
If the cylinder has spool pins it is almost always a rebuild. PJ design a new follower that fixes that and make that $$.
@clksupplies4 жыл бұрын
William, Now we're talkin! haha- PJ
@adammfanning36543 жыл бұрын
I have a need for one for sure.
@carllewis22074 жыл бұрын
Very nice tool!
@pasqualeparente97762 жыл бұрын
I know my question may not be on subject, but I am trying to understand why a key for an apartment entrance comes out in any position. Does not have to be returned to the lock position to remove key.
@cdmcfall2 жыл бұрын
For keys to operate, they physically move pins to a shear line that allows the plug to rotate. The pins have to be able to move past the shear line as the teeth pass underneath (when the key is inserted or removed) until the pins eventually settle into the appropriate notch. If the pins have nowhere to go (i.e. the plug is turned and they're hitting the inside of the housing), the key becomes locked in place. So there are only two ways for that to happen: 1. The key is flat and all the bottom pins are the same length (like a setup key with all #9 pins, or a key blank with all #0 pins). 2. There are no pins are all. If that's the case, then anything that can fit into the keyway can unlock the door. Have you tried locking and unlocking with a screwdriver?
@robertpotter83412 жыл бұрын
very good job
@cardmancalvin5499 күн бұрын
Love the 370 yes
@williamc25534 жыл бұрын
From my experience, I found its always best to check top pins manually. Yes this would be a time saver IF the lock hasn't been rekeyed by an idiot that put too small of top pins in. But in locks with constant use, you can also check easier for spring fatigue. Just a matter of preference, I suppose.
@cdmcfall2 жыл бұрын
Considering that the shortest top pin in the Schlage cores we use is .165" and the recess area of the follower is .100", we've never had any issue losing top pins. The only potential problem is with master pins #7-9, all of which are longer than .100", but we have only a few cores that require a #8 master pin. Fair point about the springs though.
@rmsg75042 жыл бұрын
I have never found a spring fatigued LOL! I have found springs that get sucked into the pin chamber when the top pin is missing and it gets into the pin chambers everywhere. I think "pin fatigue" is a way for Big Spring industry to sell springs.
@maximumwoof86622 жыл бұрын
not only that, yo! don't forget to check the height of the driver pins to make sure you don't collapse the springs, and to be the most pick resistant that a standard cylinder can be (without factoring in spool drivers, etc...) or else, why would original brand manufacturers do that which i outlined above ? there must be something they know that is not mentioned in your videos...
@pouncerminned8632 жыл бұрын
Sorry for my ignorance, but how do you determine best top pin size? I have noticed there are different sizes. Why would one go with a larger or smaller one and in which situation would you go with one or other?
@groverthetoecutter78743 жыл бұрын
Definitely have to get that
@rayspianohymns Жыл бұрын
Good job 👍👍
@josephleonard78803 жыл бұрын
That is good video I have ru into this myself I wish I known about this video before I did the Job
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Glad it's helpful-PJ
@UriGitano6 ай бұрын
What's the name of this tool please?
@PalmdaleGal3 жыл бұрын
I'm just a "commoner", but am researching rekeying new tenant locks on a private house I own. What is a "master pin"???
@serversurfer61693 жыл бұрын
It’s a set of pins that ride on top of the normal pins, allowing the lock to also be opened by a second, “master” key, usually controlled by the landlord and/or superintendents. CLK has some stuff on master key setups that you can watch. Good luck! ✊🤓💜 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcqDn86pqdPOmqs.html
@PalmdaleGal3 жыл бұрын
@@serversurfer6169- Thanks!
@vernondollhopf32493 жыл бұрын
I always check all my locks that I rekey for the master pins and check condition of the pins. #lockboss
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
True #Lockboss style! 🙌-PJ
@SCROOGE963 жыл бұрын
That was helpingful
@changclifton7862 ай бұрын
I prefer Keedex!
@joeyserna89302 жыл бұрын
Is it me or did this guy not blink his eyes thruout the whole video!! Or most of the video??
@donaldmacnair53773 жыл бұрын
Always check for master pins #BOSS LOCK
@JC_Pinos3 жыл бұрын
Nice tool..
@classic2872 жыл бұрын
Great video. I never got into it this deep. I didn't know about those master pins. I never ran into them before. Is it storefront locks that have that? So what are they for anyway? Thanks 👍
@clksupplies2 жыл бұрын
All locks can have master pins in them. Master pins are used for master keying (more than 1 key fits the lock)
@rmsg75042 жыл бұрын
you will see them in any lock on anything: business, house, rental, small, large etc etc. Always check for master pins
@raymondrouthier39203 жыл бұрын
Nice job
@thestephens512 жыл бұрын
Haven't tried teasers yet had trouble with the other but now watching video I think I'll be ok with it. #Lockboss
@stellarkeysmn Жыл бұрын
Nice
@brandtanderson9303 жыл бұрын
I have/use the keedex master follower but prolok looks to be of high quality also...#lockboss
@doorandlocktips2 жыл бұрын
I like that tool so much I bought one from you #Lockboss
@scottsnyder89313 жыл бұрын
I just bought one. New to this but getting very interested in doing the master locking. Great info. #lockboss
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!-PJ
@Warvvolf Жыл бұрын
I was more concerned that you didn't screw the tail piece back on.
@naeemmajbor884210 ай бұрын
seem work 🎉🎉🎉
@mikeg2983 жыл бұрын
I do a building that had master system. I bought a special follower to chec for left in masters#lockbox!
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
YES! Love it #Lockboss-PJ
@A_902102 жыл бұрын
Help I inserted the wrong pin and now it won't turn.
@LockpickingsGal3 жыл бұрын
I never would’ve thought about the master pins. Do you have to worry about the springs when you it back together? Awesome video!! #lockboss
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Typically not unless something does not feel right-PJ
@LockpickingsGal3 жыл бұрын
@@clksupplies do you have any tips on rekeying a lock or padlock with a crimped core?
@ericritchey93312 жыл бұрын
I'd like to have that tool
@jackarmer85604 жыл бұрын
I use the Po Lock
@danturner39042 жыл бұрын
#lockboss.great info
@jackiemckenzie42002 жыл бұрын
I was thinking it was the master pin. #LB
@clksupplies2 жыл бұрын
Nice!-PJ
@lmars59334 жыл бұрын
I was going too say you didn't check the top lol .😎
@hadablockers Жыл бұрын
Why would you just take them out, aren't they there for the fire dept to have a copy?????? Or the property manager or someone???
@EpicToadRage Жыл бұрын
If you rekey a lock, and don't know the master pins are in there, you make it so they don't work anymore.
@raymondrouthier39203 жыл бұрын
Hello from servicepro1 Ottawa Ontario Canada
@da_notorious_l.i.z3 жыл бұрын
what if you don't have the key? can you rekey it
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Yes-PJ
@pouncerminned8632 жыл бұрын
You can use a shim, but the core must be out first. If you mean if door is locked and closed you must pick the lock open or somehow have access to inside part of door to remove the core. Then pick or shim the core in order to turn the cylinder so you can remove it so you can rekey it
@Sanxioned13 жыл бұрын
Does this kind of lock not have a c-clip either? That's what I thought the mistake was at first lol!
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Mortise and Rim Cylinders typically use the screw on cap! -PJ
@ooulalah4333 Жыл бұрын
Why not open the back side?
@clksupplies Жыл бұрын
No sure what you mean -PJ
@timbutler56904 жыл бұрын
Pro lock
@pauleyedwin6056Ай бұрын
#Lockboss.
@kevin.gadgeteastman75313 жыл бұрын
As I’m getting into Lock Smithing I was doing it the hard way stumbled across this video and it was a no brainer ordered it in and not going back to the old way unless I absolutely have to🤘👍🏻😜 I love me so new tools #lockboss
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Such simple tools are game changers! -PJ
@haroldbrooks87643 жыл бұрын
what happen if you rekey and forget about the master pin
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Other keys could fit the lock-PJ
@oglerdeleon94943 жыл бұрын
Not really after watching the video i came up with a sequence to rekey a core and i didn't remove those master pins and tried multiple keys didn't open the door. Just master key that i reeked. But pj could be right
@jimgrathoff99443 жыл бұрын
I find it easier to use the tweezers. If the lock is worn no master is needed I sometimes use bottom pins point down. As top pins. Also Works if the change key and master Are to close. In other word less the .030
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Jim, thanks for sharing! -PJ
@johnevans63992 жыл бұрын
You missed the door!!
@buz3752 жыл бұрын
I use mine all the time #lockboss
@buz3753 жыл бұрын
I got the follower that dumps them out. #lockboss
@sircampbell12492 жыл бұрын
Just reload the top..
@raymondrouthier39203 жыл бұрын
Forgot to check masters
@johncastagno69203 жыл бұрын
Going to have to get one asap. #lockboss
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
🙌-PJ
@wesleymccravy901 Жыл бұрын
How do you not blink dude? How?
@clksupplies Жыл бұрын
Lol talent -PJ
@felixmak47272 жыл бұрын
Typically when doing CoRu locks they are hot, and this is it.
@rhon31813 жыл бұрын
Using the tool is better.
@mouteo32233 жыл бұрын
WHY ARENT YOU BLINKING
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Forgot to?
@mouteo32233 жыл бұрын
@@clksupplies FAIR ENOUGH FANTASTIC PRODUCT THOUGH. IVE HAD IT FOR MONTHS AND HAVE USED IT JUST ON PAR WITH MY REGULAR FOLLOWER
@clksupplies3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!-PJ
@danielwaldrop69683 жыл бұрын
You didn't shim it
@backwoodstrails3 жыл бұрын
It's "2021" and realtors are no longer allowed to say "Master" bedroom as it's not politically correct. What the heck are we now going to call the "Master" pins in a lock?