Logic Games Are Going Away | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 647

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Logic Games Are Going Away | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 647

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@michaeldauber777 10 ай бұрын

I hate the games. I’m pumped!

@natefrigoletto2982 10 ай бұрын

Having games being my best section, I now feel more pressure to take the LSAT before the August exam. I was shooting to be ready by the June test, but I don't want to place undue pressure on myself to achieve a score I'll be happy with. It's unfortunate they didn't give more notice. I feel a decision such as this one should have been told more in advance, but that's just me.

@MMAandBoxingEnjoyer 10 ай бұрын

If anything this should motivate you to read

@munachiakwali6496 3 ай бұрын

My exact predicament 💔

@isaac_heyn 10 ай бұрын

Logic games was my worst section! I was looking to take the test next August anyway!

@Nafosat_Toshtemirova 10 ай бұрын

What about an experimental section? Imagine having 3 LR sections - one as an experimental😂😂😂😮😮😢😢

@reginaldcharles1133 10 ай бұрын

Lol...I know right 3LR in one seating, but then again it was this way before Covid...

@nathanfox9011 10 ай бұрын

Right. Prior to 2020 every LSAT had five sections-four scored, one unscored-so students could have had LR/LR/LR/RC/LG or LG/LG/LR/RC/LR, or RC/RC/LR/LR/LG, or invent whatever your own personal nightmare test would have been. Truth is, it doesn't matter. If you get good enough at the individual questions, you can ace any combination of sections.

@fernandomendezjr.1124 10 ай бұрын

I’ve been studying for a year and a half and am barely starting to hit the high 160’s. LG is my strongest section. It sucks, but I guess part of being a lawyer is learning how to adapt. 😅

@Legallyglory 10 ай бұрын

This makes me feel good. I’m in mid 150s and I been studying for a year. I felt so behind lol.

@fernandomendezjr.1124 9 ай бұрын

Keep going! A lot of high-scoring test takers have studied for 2 years or more. Like Ben and Nate say: Studying has no deadline. After all this time, things are just starting to click for me. Maybe the same will happen to you! @@Legallyglory

@ErikaMartinez-wc1ln 10 ай бұрын

Nathan has a point on his predictions for eliminating games for non-native English speakers and STEM people.

@thedon9158 10 ай бұрын

Fuck all that time I wasted trying to perfect games

@joussefsedeek3759 10 ай бұрын

I'm personally somewhat annoyed from this change. That means that there is a chance that on exam day, you can end up with 3 LR sections! That's just way too draining. I'm not a native English speaker and naturally some LR questions just don't add up to me at all no matter how long I sit in front of the question. Standarized tests suck.

@ola_eboda 4 ай бұрын

Just wanted to say thank you to you guys. I wouldn’t be attending Cornell Law school with out y’all’s helps. Keep breathing life into all your students!!!!

@MickeyArce 10 ай бұрын

As a matter of equity, I think this helps level the playing field. I struggled with logic games and couldn't afford the classes. I think I could score better and have a shot at law school now given that the reading and logical reasoning were generally good for me.

@LC-rl7cd 10 ай бұрын

Agreed! Me too on the fair chance finally! Lawyers on LinkedIn are saying that LG has nothing to do with the law, bar exam or lawyering! I get the part about construction of statutes, but that's not critical to being a good lawyer.

@MickeyArce 10 ай бұрын

I’m glad I’m not alone! :)

@LC-rl7cd 10 ай бұрын

@@MickeyArce Now I don't have to consider predatory schools! Let the STEMs consider those now. Folks in STEM careers can afford it!

@bpxl53yewz29 4 ай бұрын

But many top schools give you the option of taking the GRE instead of the LSAT. This change wasn’t needed imo.

@jaysonmarquez7524 8 ай бұрын

Just as a matter of fact it’s easier to manage the study of two things than three. It narrows your focus and even if games were your strong suit, you just have less to grapple with. Allocate the time you were spending on games to the section you struggle with most.

@LSATDemon 8 ай бұрын

On the other hand, improving at LG can help you improve at the other sections of the test: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j6ilY6t9ldPFqGQ.html

@JavonWilliams29 5 ай бұрын

Glad someone else has this take. I can now focus more time on LR which is my worst section. LR and RC go hand in hand.

@dojisatchivi1664 10 ай бұрын

this is interesting to me, because despite the fact that I am one of the people that Ben and Nathan describe as likely to benefit from the change, (native english speaker, LG was my weakest section) I'm kind of pissed. I've been working so hard to get good at logic games, went up from averaging 12-13 questions correct a game to 21/23 correct most tries and it's like now we're taking it out? why tf did I do all that work why am I currently sitting here in this library practicing logic games? I've been getting like 23/26 on LG and reading comp regularly for months. Anyway I'm signed up for the November 2023 LSAT so I guess I better just can it and keep studying and practicing LG😅

@jessicac5489 10 ай бұрын

I want LG gone NOW 😂

@justanotherhandle1 10 ай бұрын

Studying old practice tests is where it hurts you the most.

@iFrankie. 7 ай бұрын

I believe they’ll bring back some of the older LR question stems that have been forgotten in the past you’ll see them come up in these newer LSATS just watch

@LC-rl7cd 10 ай бұрын

Yay! Yay! Yay! Former English major here loving the change!! Come on now, -- being a lawyer is all about words and reasoning! Gladiators of the English language, REMEMBER?! No offense to non-native speakers because I am a naturalized cit myself, but this change makes sense so we can be as competitve with native speakers as much as possible.

@MikeM-uy6qp Ай бұрын

I'm studying to be a prep tutor. I'm a little concerned about the impact of this change on the business. It's my understanding that logic games is the section that people most often seek tutoring for.

@lucychen2830 10 ай бұрын

I think it'll also impact scoring because there's less content to study for. So long, games!

@christiankingdomacademy8176 10 ай бұрын

I am waiting till aug…!

@aacts2219 10 ай бұрын

I love the games as I am STEM type and concrete thinker. It's the section that makes the most sense to me because it's like math 2+2=4 & doesn't involve opinion/personal judgement like RC and LR which answer is the "best." Definitely, I plan to get my test taken before Aug 2024. LG helped me a lot to understand formal logic in LR sufficient and necessary assumptions.

@Legallyglory 10 ай бұрын

I guess we are going to have to wait to see how many register for Jan and Feb test. That’s when we will know how many people are pushing off.

@lionlikemessenger 10 ай бұрын

I see the book, but the price isn’t marked down yet. It is still the same price.

@lionlikemessenger 10 ай бұрын

*The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia* - the price is still around $60 on Amazon.

@nathanfox9011 10 ай бұрын

@@lionlikemessenger $59.95 is the discounted price. It was previously $89.95. I wish I could sell it cheaper, but after Amazon's cut and the licensing fee I pay for the ~550 LR questions contained in the book, I will barely break even on the book at this price. I hope you find it helpful if you pick it up. BTW: All of the explanations from the Encyclopedia are also available in the LSAT Demon. They're actually better over there, because our amazing Ask team edits and updates them on a regular basis. But if you're not a Demon subscriber or need a book for an airplane, I've priced it as cheaply as I can.

@obviouslyPSM 10 ай бұрын

The games were my best section of the LSAT by far...very glad I sat for the LSAT years ago haha

@johnsterling5425 10 ай бұрын

wish they had some dates where logic games were administered, or optional

@user-dg1nl9bu6y 10 ай бұрын

I’m about a month into studying LG. I originally planned to take it in June and retake in August. LG is fun but frustrating and my worst section, I settled for taking it in August!

@michelleluna9595 6 ай бұрын

Are you applying for the 2025 admissions cycle?

@idevourorphans 10 ай бұрын

I was initially considering taking it in Feb. Since LG is my strongest session I am thinking now I'll sign up for January as well...

@prabhdheersingh7945 10 ай бұрын

But from what I’ve heard, LSAC hasn’t announced anything.

@MrCleanMachine48 10 ай бұрын

They released a newsletter

@prabhdheersingh7945 10 ай бұрын

@@MrCleanMachine48 can you send the link?

@lionlikemessenger 8 ай бұрын

LSAT Logic Games are going away after June 2024. LSAC confirmed it. You can Google it.

@montiamccain2821 10 ай бұрын

Uggghhh!! I suck at Logic Games and preparing to take the LSAT in January. I've been studying the games consistently and have improved, but it just bothers me knowing that they aren't going to be there in the NEAR future! I would've preferred not to know - at least until after my test, lol!!

@Jordanjustinecoburn 10 ай бұрын

Same haha

@r.p.8906 10 ай бұрын

just when I finally started loving the games... oh... thanks!!

@rivasimri 6 ай бұрын

English was not my first language, but in my opinion, being bilingual has given me an edge in language. I suck at math (failed algebra three times in high school!), but language, for some reason, has always been a strength. I'm way better with words, theory and reading. Logic games are more difficult for me but trying to practice more in that area.

@christophergerteisen5431 10 ай бұрын

So if im getting ready to start studying the LSAT next week should I grind for LG or wait to take both sections of LR

@adambarett8629 10 ай бұрын

Tragic

@dt.3484 10 ай бұрын

What is logic games substituted with this year for the November 2023 lsat exam and what resources are best to prepare for this new section? Thank you

@LSATDemon 10 ай бұрын

Logic Games will remain on the LSAT until the August 2024 test.

@joshuakim7619 5 ай бұрын

English is my second language. Games is my strongest section. I enjoy games. I’ve been solving so many games 😂 and not much else due to LR and RC being not as enjoyable. Now I am not ready for LR and RC, but im gonna have to take the June Lsat just to take advantage of the games section. I dont plan on getting high score. I will be happy with 152-155.

@cooper712 6 ай бұрын

I started studying for the test in February of this year and am torn on whether I want to try to take the test in June before the change or not. Currently Logic games are my weakest section, and logical reasoning is my strongest, though I’ve heard Logic Games have the most potential for improvement in general, so I’m not sure if I should really grind to get perfect at the games and take the LSAT in June or hold off until August. If anyone has any thoughts or advice that would be appreciated!

@LSATDemon 6 ай бұрын

Hi! Study as if you're going to take the June test, meaning study the games. Leading up to the registration deadline, if your scores aren't where you want them to be, delay until August and quit studying the games.

@sinkso 10 ай бұрын

Will the Demon let us do practice tests in the new format?

@nathanfox9011 10 ай бұрын

Of course! Our amazing dev team is already working on it.

@Ajeneful 10 ай бұрын

Can you put a link to your book in the video description please?

@ThomasGSaul 9 ай бұрын

Setting my sights on regional law school not T14 (McKinney or Pettit.) Is August 2024 too late if I plan to begin in Fall 2025? McKinney deadline is May 2025. Pettit has rolling admissions

@LSATDemon 9 ай бұрын

Taking the August 2024 test could allow you to apply at the beginning of the admissions cycle for 2025 enrollment. But that's only if you take the LSAT one time. Most students take the test multiple times to achieve their highest score.

@ThomasGSaul 9 ай бұрын

@@LSATDemon Isn’t it likely that there will be a couple more test dates Sept-Nov 2024?

@carlosjuliobertos8469 10 ай бұрын

LG is my best section with only missing 2-4 every time. Hopefully this upcoming November test is my last. I hate the LSAT!

@Legallyglory 10 ай бұрын

Can you send the link for lsat book Nathan wrote

@Legallyglory 10 ай бұрын

I’m sorry I’m rushing to do it now LG is my best sections it’s carrying my score lol

@shelbylovescats 10 ай бұрын

How will we do practice tests and scoring now with an additional LR section?

@nathanfox9011 10 ай бұрын

It'll be easy actually. Prior to 2020, every test had two sections of LR. For the past three years, we've been dropping one section of LR from Demon tests so that students could practice LR/RC/LG. Now, we'll add that other section of LR back and drop the games. Super-easy switch.