What shocks me the most is the fact that O.B remembers Mobius, and apparently everything that happens until they meet again, which would make him the only one on TVA who hasn't had his memories erased.

This episode was so good! Love how it continued the energy of season 1’s finale and kept the ball rolling!

Erik, I think TVA employees are having their memories erased slowly (probably through the cafeteria/key lime pie), not as a solitary event. That's why Mobius can't remember having his memory erased, Casey says the floor has always been like that/always worked at that desk... I'll bet OB doesn't have pie often.

Considering the 1st episode was named Ouroboros the snake eating it’s own tail. It’s basically an endless loop. So this reset loop in the TVA makes sense

So far the new season feels like a lot like the vibe that the MCU used to have which is really refreshing compared to a lot of the other stuff they've put out recently

Loki carrying the entire MCM on its shoulder 🙌

I wonder if OB is helping kang maintain and repair the loom and keep the cycle running. His name, ouroboros means infinity as it depicts a snake eating its own tail, just like how it seems kang kept resetting the tva by mind wiping them

For me, the glass rings left by Mobius in Renslayer’s office were the first indication that the TVA had been reset, and Renslayer knew it.

The fact that O.B. can remember Loki means that his mind has never been wiped.

I think Casey pruned Loki with his knowledge from the guidebook. He looked like he was puzzling it out. I can totally go for the hero move and then joining OB as an enlightened one without memory wipes.

Is literally no one going to talk about the fact that OB is likely the inventor of the three time keepers?

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I think the recording with "He who remains" and Ravonna is what Ms minutes gave Ravonna in the finale of season 1.

I think the whole TVA cycle thing makes sense because He Who Remains said that after he’s killed and everything falls apart, he’ll end up back where he is. “Reincarnation, baby” he said.

My assumption about why Mobius didn’t remember OB is because at some episode later on Mobius and Loki will go back in time and will end up visiting OB to ask for help. It’ll be OB’s first time meeting Mobius but Mobius’ second meeting OB.

Prediction that just popped into my head because I'm stoned: He Who Remains separated a time branch (somehow cutting it off and looping it) and set the TVA up in that separated time branch. Because it loops, the memory-wipes could be automated. And differences (like OB wearing glasses, Casey getting promoted from custodian to front desk) could be accounted for by the system consolidating itself, like a system defrag.

Time has always worked normally in the TVA, just that everyone gets their memory wiped every so often so they think it works differently.

Ke Huy Quan as ouroboros was amazing can’t wait to see more of him.

When he goes back and sees OB and has him build that machine that pops up in the future right in front of them... That's a billing Ted excellent adventure movie

10:38 - I mean, it makes sense based on their names. A mobius strip folds in on itself, so its constantly in a flux of switching sides, if you view it from one perspective; constantly being "reset." Ouroboros on the other hand, is constantly in a cycle. While the original concept is perpetually eating itself, it also signifies that the cycle has no beginning, but also no end. OB is kept as a constant, while Mobius, like everyone else, is on a pattern of being reset.

Awesome Video Erik!!! Thanks for explaining the Timeline of The TVA! I Loved The First Episode SO Much and I'M SOOOOOO EXCITED FOR THE NEXT ONE!!!!!!

I want OB to be a Kang-variant. A mild-mannered Kang that built the TVA and its infrastructure just to have a stronger Kang (like He Who Remains) take it over. OB could be aware of the complete timeline and choose to stay in his meek role to make sure that time flows properly.

I Rate Loki Season 2, A 10/10

Here’s a thought. What if the Renslayer and Kang recording is after the war (the one Kang refers to that Renslayer helped him win) which is a war that happens in Avengers Kang Dynasty? 👀

My thoughts on this episode: who pruned Loki just in time; how 2 details are connected. First, I don’t have a definite choice as to who pruned Loki, but I do have 3 possibilities. First is the obvious Mobius, as he had the prune stick. Second option would be Victor Timely, as this takes place in the near TVA future and we see Sylvie. Third option would be Loki himself, as he knows where he was as everything played out. The 2 details that are connected are the easter egg of the door to the time loom looking almost exactly like the door to Cerebro and the fact that everyone in the TVA had their memories “erased”. The memories were not erased but were blocked, otherwise Sylvie could not access them by any means. Kang would need a powerful telepath to do this. When I say telepath, who does that imply? Charles Xavier himself, or another of his psychic power level. Feel free to comment on my opinions.

I always found it odd to assume that "time works differently in the TVA" meant "time doesn't pass here"... without time, how could things even happen, and how could we see them happen. It is likely that while the MCU operates on a multiversal, branching logic (without causality, endless branches of any version of everything), the TVA operates on a single branch logic, either looped on itself with regular "resets", but more likely simply linear, since Loki is able to change it in the past by timeskipping and meeting Ouroboros, and Moebius also leaves an inscription that stays in the future... the mark left by Loki crashing the cab is also been there "since ever", but we see it happen in the past, so I think this is not a cyclical timeline. It is likely an independent, linear branch of time that sits right on top of the temporal loom - time might be very dilated here, hence people seemingly not aging for hundreds of years (which are probably measured at the actual speed of multiversal branches, since the TVA has no sun, day or night), but it still passes and people feel it normally (just like if you went at a very high speed you would still experience time, it would only seem slowed down to external observers). It's likely that He Who Remains won the multiversal war, pruned all the other timelines with their Kangs, and rebooted the TVA via mindwipe, building the Time-Keepers and retreating in the Citadel, not being aware that timeslipping is possible. The citadel might be even closer to the "end of time", i.e. a place where time stops almost completely, and around which multiversal timelines revolve (the ones constantly pruned, and the sacred timeline left in place)

this new episode i had to rewatch just to soak it up. a true rollercoaster ride!

Thank you so much for your content eric!

I love how time travel outside the TVA is anti back to the future and inside it is pure back to the future/bill and teds style.

I love OB and can’t wait to see more of him on the show! Love Loki!!

1. Past OB also has different uniform 2. Renslayer and He Who Remains conversation is in the past. At the time when he who remains recruited renslayer to lead TVA.

Slowly and steadily everything is going beyond my head.😂

Your white board notes made like 100% sense to me, thank you for posting that.

Main thing I got out of this vid: I definitely need to rewatch the 1st episode again.

I think you are so right about the time cycle and that would be awesome to see this as cyclical.

Ummm is everyone going to overlook the fact that OB is possibly Queng.... OB can't be trusted... the hired the most.beloved and trusted person to play a mystery role..... He's a Kang variant!!!!

Thanks post-production team! You're the real heroes 😂

"there is no past TVA" "It's been 400 years since Mobius met OB"

I like that in the TVA we get back to the future time logic, but outside we get branching timeline logic. Didn't see that coming, and was so confused with how they left off Season 1 but this nicely explains it.

In the wider shots the time slipping effect is just jarring, mostly due to its sudden nature, but when it appeared in closeup near the end it was downright disturbing. Amazing work.

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When Loki get to meet OB in the past, it's at least 400+ years ago since he gives the first reaction to the nickname OB, saying ''I like that'' meaning he hadn't heard it before

Random question but what’s your thoughts of the look of the outside of the tva? When mobius is using the temporal harpoon gun to get Loki, we see the outside of it for a second and it looks like a building floating in space with thrusters/boosters keeping it in place. Just super weird

I think OB past must be more than 400 years ago just because OB doesn't recognise his nickname, meaning that Mobius hasn't given it to him yet.

Good vid as always! It also makes sense that OB doesn’t have his memory wiped because he’s literally locked in a basement with no connection to the outside world besides those mail tubes

Nice to be back here

So glad I grew up reading hard sci-fi. Makes following Loki and the entire multiverse easy.

I bet it turns out it's future Loki just before he finds Sylvie that pruned Loki 🤘

the reason Mobius maybe doesn't remember O.B could be something other than a memory wipe, perhaps Mobius traveled back in time in order to prevent something bad happening, and he just happens to bump into O.B and "leave immediately". But at that point Mobius hasn't traveled back yet, so O.B knows Mobius but Mobius doesn't know O.B ofc you would think this contradicts Marvels time travel laws, but in the TVA "time doesn't work that way"

It's great how I get inspired while watching these. When I look at time circling the Citadel it makes me think that the war ended and He Who Remains is on the remnants of a planet after all of the incursions have happened. Quite possibly the Citadel and the TVA is 2 different points on a timeline.

Opening episode was lit.

We'll probably also get an even older Owen Wilson giving O.B. his nickname for the first time.

Thanks for the great video as always!! Absolutely enjoying it. Just a strange thought come into mind (most likely @ErikVoss already think of it already 😅). Notice the background outside of the circular TVA office, and it keep repeating it self into infinity..would that by the different point in time within TVA….may be time there is represent as a physical dimension….hence we cannot really see the “end” of the background, because it may loop back into the beginning and end…

Rewatching S1 I was reminded of the time twister, so moving someone through time in the TVA isn't so unheard of.

I honestly think that all of this is happening at once.. and we are getting to see how he who remains views time. Loki is just experiencing it and doesn’t have control like he who remains does. It’s not necessarily a loop it’s just how we perceive time.

9:50 The past TVA sees the time line split and branch off as well maybe coz it’s happening at the same time as the present like when Loki give ob the ideas two different times but also happening at the same time

Honestly id never of thought Loki would single handily be holding up the entire MCU

YES!!! I’m so excited to see Jessica again!!!!! 😁😁😁

Ha! I see you were wearing the 'Fresh Pies T-Shirt' from Nerd Riot in the reflection.

The latest trailer repeating the words "again" makes sense now 😊

Loki went back to an O.B who was not used ro being called O.B, there's a scene where Loki calls him O.B and he seems confused at first but then later likes the name. So if Morbius gave him the name O.B 400 years ago, then Loki went back more than 400 TVA Years

At 5:03, look at O.B.'s uniform. That can also shed some light on when Loki possibly was. Same with Owen Wilson's cracked suit

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I think, the best way to think of the TVA's timeline, is that it runs perpendicular to the regular timeline, instead of parallel. this is how the sacred timeline, can be accessed at any point in "time" from the TVA timeline, while still retaining it's own "line"

Kang probably just straight up forgot about O.B's existence 🥹

I have found new admiration for Loki😅

i want a perfect loop , like from silvie pont of view of that future , and future version of this loki was the one pruning past himself.

I imagine the mentioned war as being a new war unleashed by Sylvie, the now He Who Remains being a new Kang, one who's not as good at hiding his presence and therefore needing to reset the employees memories more frequently. Loki being stuck in time would come of every timeline changing around him, every timeline but his.

I enjoyed watching Loki Season 2 episode 1

More importantly time in the past directly changes the future in the tva, vs the way time works in the multiverse. Also you are right about the citadel being the beginning and the end but just like a ring you can’t see the end nor the beginning because it flows seamlessly

when loki went back to the past he says "can i call you OB?" OB says "i like that". That means he must've gone back in time before Mobius met OB since he OB was never called OB before. So most likely Loki has gone back in time further than 400 years. We still don't know for how long OB and Mobius have known eachother. Considering that Mobius last visit was 400 years ago, I think loki must've gone back in time by at least 1000 years

I love these kind of shows - Loki, Predestination, Back to the Future, Everything Everywhere All At Once, Netflix Original Upgrade and many more it gives me existential crisis

You say that He Who Remains left the mural of him behind the wallpaper to say the timekeepers where temp to him. I feel that he left it to sho he was behind the creation of the timekeepers, and also Loki pruning the wall shows that Loki is the one to always reveal He Who Remains is behind everything. Remember Loki revealed him to us in the first season.

I'm thinking since the TVA us so huge that all the different identical building in the distance that we've seen since the beginning is the TVA effectively in different times.

One thing I noticed and honestly I just noticed it was that I think Loki met past OB before 400 years ago because he mentioned that the one time Mobious met him, he called him OB for short and when Loki called him that, he was like oh, I like that name. So I assume nobody ever called him that yet before or he would of remembered since he seems to be the only one there that actually remembers everything

In the judge council scene, X5 tests his hands on his vest and the scars on his arms match the damage on his chest plate as if he’s been struck in that position. Also there’s X and 5 on the back of his gloves … cool detail 🤓

Well, that makes sense because Loki is the catalyst of Ragnarok in Asgard, so why could he not be the catalyst of “Ragnarok“ at the TVA ? He IS the catalyst

My ideal end game for the TVA. Keeping in mind the TVA was maintaining the timeline where he who remains wins. What if the TVA agents aren’t just variants, but mutant/xmen variants that NEEDED to be pruned ( which allows for recent mutants ) to show up eg ms marvel and namour. Gives somewhat of an explanation to explain their absence from earth 616… now I can’t stop imagining owen Wilson bald

Episode 1 is laughtrip HAHAH, Morbius scared of losing his skin HAHAHAH

I believe when Loki timeslips into the past in front of O.B. was BEFORE Mobius had last visited him since Loki asked if he could call him O.B. and he says "yea I like that" and since he remembers everything it stands to reason that that interaction happened Pre Mobius O.B. Visit

Lokis meeting with Obi must before 400 years because Obi said mobius calls him that and when loki is asking to call him that, his reaction is telling us he hasn't met mobius yet.

I really the sort of retro look of the TVA throughout the first season and second season.

The Citadel is not at the end nor the beginning, it’s on the OUTSIDE. It’s quite literally outside the timeline examining it, the same way we would look at a line drawn on paper.

I think Kant is keeping variants of people that are the originators of the concepts they are named after. Mobius is a variant of the person that the mobius strip was named after? OB is a variant from the civilization that originated the Ouroborus?

The biggest mindfuck is OB remembers the past only after it happened in the preset!

I like to think that He Who Remains just forgot that OB existed and that's why he remembers further back than Mobius does

The last reminds me of Miguel O'Hara explained of the incursions

Of course there is a past in the TVA in the first season. Ramona Renslayer used to be an officer before she was a judge, Mobius and the minutemen have been hunting Lokis for a long time, Mobius remembers hunting Kree, Titan, and Vampire variants before.

I just don't understand two things: 1. Why Loki, once he returned to Mobius, didn't make sure to leave a pruning stick in the room for his past-self to find in the future? He dropped the stick in the present when he time-slipped to the future. The most logical thing was that once he returned back to the present, he would take it and place it above the skin (where Mobis scribbled) computer monitor. and 2. Why the TVA Handbook is so thin? That thing is supposed to be a manual about everything in the TVA, why is so thin? My sewing machine manual is thicker than that!

I suggest reading Asimov's End Of Eternity. It's out of print, but if you can get a copy, it handles similar concepts and themes to the TVA.

Loki series is fkn great. S2 ep1 started off good! Loki's attitude and all. Mobious. Ob all were great. Sylvie at the end too.

@NewRockstars after seeing this video i came to a thought where he who remains did exactly the same as wanda in wandavision series . Used everyone like muppets in his own world . Reset their memories from their og lives and when something bad happened start from the beginning or in wandavision change decade 😮😮

That "someone" who pruned Loki, my personal headcanon is it's a predestination paradox. It's probably a future Loki who knew he needed to prune himself to exist in the future, so he went back to this future-past and pruned himself.

10:26 i just now noticed there is a 4th one on the right atleast it looks like a person/time keeper

The memory wipe being gone through again makes me think it’s leading into a bigger reason. He who remains could have hidden the xmen/mutants as the TVA agents

I had to go back and watch the first season and noticed that He Who Remains is the only one without facial scars. Maybe it's just a way to keep track of which Kang is which, but I'm curious as to the symbology of the statue getting 'scarred' in the first episode of Season 2. Maybe nothing, but it might be worth keeping an eye on.

What’s crazy thing is that each part of the TVA Timeline is analysing a different version of the sacred timeline?

My mind hurts with all of these timelines 😅

Future Loki pruned himself. Present Loki failed at pruning himself, so future Loki stayed in the hallway waiting for present Loki. Now that future Loki and event should be “reset” to the present Loki’s timeline.

Odd for them to think the TVA doesn't follow it's own time loop. They are living out a sequence of events in a linear manner. That is time. That time can be traveled in the same way any other time can once you are in that loop.