c2c NEEDS to be added to TSW4. it’s such an overlooked line with two possible trains (720 and 357) with two massive London terminals (Fenchurch St and Liverpool St) all being part of the route. Edit: thank you for the like!! congrats on 9k 🔥

I think the reason that u got 9k sub's is bc u make some of the best and unfiltered/unbiased ts/tsw reviews and make it very clear whether a product is good/bad and the reviews are quite humerous at times. keep going and you will get to 15k subs

Always thoroughly enjoy your DLC reviews. Have used these in the past to decide whether to purchase add-ons or not. Your train knowledge, considering your talking about rolling stock from the other side of the World, is always phenomenal

As a commuter on the GEML I've got to say the Aventra sounds are pretty good. I'm hoping this is a DTG interim route and that their big UK release will be the C2C through Barking from Fenchurch Street in London to Shoeburyness on the South Essex coast. It's never been in a Train Sim and it's such a busy, interesting route. Note on the 172s, unfortunately the GOBLIN was always an overlooked railway and when TfL took it over the platforms and signalling could only cope with 2 car units. So they were an interim measure while plans were put in place for a full upgrade of the route. And yes, a 68 would be great.

(better not show him what have rivet done)

If it’s not a modern day branchless route, commuter only, 15-25 miles in length, in Britain, Germany, New York or cAlIFoRnIA, less fhan 10 services and less than 3 locos, then dovetail (or the crap 3rd party devs they use) doesn’t want to do it. God forbid they actually put an effort in developing a completed route with actual depth to operations and not linear. Since tsw2020, they literally quit doing anything but wash rinse and repeat route choices

I’m surprised you didn’t call out the lack of ECS moves. There’s only one move each in and out of east ham and one move to and from an off map depot. These trains have to come out of service at some point, so It’s disappointing not to see this in the timetable. As for the freight locos, I think I’ve heard the reason being that DB (who owns the EWS brand) is the only UK freight operator willing to license to DTG and they pretty much exclusively use the 66. Other modern freight locos are used by GB Railfreight and Freightliner who both refused to license to DTG. The 68 is exclusively used for freight by DRS so River would probably be the ones to give it to us, especially since they could create an alternate version for a Scotrail route. Children and TransPennine are the only two passenger users and neither of them have ever granted DTG licensing.

I actually like it for the most part, and it is well designed. I am not as fussed on route length and linearity as you are (although not if it is a drag like the Antelope Valely), but I think that the route's short length is made up by the busy timetable for the most part. I am pretty sure that DTG don't have the c2c license, so that is why they are not present.

These reviews are the only reason I subscribe & watch tbh

The first time i came across your channel was via the YT algorithms. However the TSW reviews weren't the ones that drew me to your channel. It was your clip about the Ill-Fated 10 members of The BR Class 16 and how i surprised you in the comments below that there is one Class 16 seen on film. That was D8402 on The North London Line (reference Diesel & Electric on 35mm Volume 1) and i'm quoting directly from John Huntley "It's almost impossible to see a photo of them in action let alone on film".

I agree with this review. Whilst this is a good quality route, I think making the Suffragette Line only was not a good idea considering that this means the route will have limited replay value especially for those not interested in short metro style commuter lines. I think they should have made both the Mildmay (North London) and Suffragette Lines and combine the two like they did in TSC as it would've offered more to do I got the route because I had Xbox Gift Cards that I hadn't use to buy anything a while ago and decided to pick this up.

You say the Class 66 are being 'overused', but I know that they are not. We have more EMD Class 66 locomotives in this country than any other. Though, I do understand your point of view to the fact of the matter that they are on nearly every route planner and variation is good. We do need a class 56, 57, 58, 59, 60 and 67. I would really love to see a Class 43 with a Paxman-Valenta 12vRP200L and Marston-Valenta engine variable on the game.

Babe wake up! The london overground review is up 🎉

Can't get a UK route without that damn 66.

I would like to see the 710 in Train Simulator classic. These silly short routes that DoveFailGames makes for TSW just doesn't cut it for me.

For 9000 subs (congrats btw) i have an idea that you could make a video of all of your fsvourite tsw/ts routes and trains. Just an idea.

I have a feeling that Fife circle is going to be so (and I don’t swear at all) sh!t, it might be so bad they’ll have to make it 100% on sale like peninsula corridor 😂. Congrats on 9k!

Dovetail said theres easter egg ai services regarding London Commuter and GWE...Where can you spot that..i see the ECML section overpass and all

Thanks for the honest review. A couple things I enjoyed the most: your suggestion for Class 68 in TSW, and your dislike for the phrase "If you don't like it then nobody's forcing you to buy it" (they obviously don't understand people's compulsiveness and FOMO).

Will you be getting the new fife circle route which is released this week ?

Just an idea it may be worth putting links in the description of video you have on other routes you mention in the video

Is it solid or nah second question what's the difference between strock 1/2/3 etc

I may be wrong but I think 710s are being introduced on the north london line Ive seen them at stratford maybe once or twice although it could be for another reason

During the Goblin Line preview stream, DTG said the reason they keep re-using the 66 is because they are all over the UK Network and thus are accurate for the routes they produce. In short, it’s just another excuse

Thanks for the video bro

I saw a class 387 Gatwick Express train crossing the bridge with Thameslink and Azuma train. Very odd. Also the overground use 5 coaches on most of the line apart from the Goblin so why have four cars for the Stratford to Clapham?

Glad they added a 1990's Nissan EMU to the game at last.

Apparently C2C are hard to get a license from I think we wouldve had an official C2C route in TSC otherwise

They could have done the north London line to go with it. It would add variation

For the ELL I honestly think the pre 2007 condition would be more fun (or they could do an Island line)

Motor sounds? What are you talking about? AC motors vibrate at 50-60 Hz really, there's not much else to hear. What DTG messed up are the gearbox sounds, inverter sounds (which you called 'high pitched whine') are mostly fine - although synchronous modulation is missing.

The Class 170 is extremely questionable also they mentioned the timetable isn’t even fully complete. They are throwing out a unfinished product 🤦‍♂️. And the announcements doesn't work... It's not a full route. I don't even know why it's called “The Circle line” when you can't even drive in a circle 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻😒🙄, + across all platforms you'll just get the Class 170 and the Class 385 SR that's it. Nothing else..... And I've also heard that the Class 385 ScotsRail windows still won't react to rain, snow, hot, cold or foggy or any kind of weather and that the announcements in the Class 385 ScotsRail it'll still be manual instead of automatic. And in real life the Class 170 runs Edinburgh to Edinburgh services but in TSW 4 it's just Edinburgh to Perth and nothing else. Like literally. And no freight trains either... And no Railtours either.... And on the Fifth Bridge we won't see we no ships or anything either... If you see last nights stream you'll notice that one of them (can't remember his name) he spends more time saying no, that anything else... Literally. And it's the Main Circle Line too. But unfortunately.... Unfortunately it's not in timetable mode. Only 1 scenario where you'll be able to drive the full circle. 1. 1!!! And that's it... Nothing else, like literally... And the Class 170 won't even layer onto the Edinburgh to Glasgow route either and I do suspect that the LNER trains are supposed to be Lumo not LNER but whatever and I also suspect that the LNER trains are static and not going or leaving anywhere, it's just static And guess what?. The German guy making this route has never been to Scotland either🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻

Tbh I feel like it would be slightly less annoying if they added timetable services for the class 172 from Gospel Oak to Barking.

I think a better route that would have still included the 710 would be have been the lea valley lines (Liv street - Chingford, Enfield town and cheshunt)

Tbh the goblin line should have Kensal Green aswell because the 710 overground TFL goes there and so does the London underground

I wish they added the snow hill lines

Another good review, not bought this route yet (probably waiting till a sale). Fife Circle has potential to be a great route but I think rivet will mess it up. Very annoying that we will have to pay for the 158 reskin.

Would love c2c in tsw4 or tsw5

Now we just need the Jubilee line in TSW4.

I bought it when it came out but not happy I tried to do free roam I set a path to follow I leave the station only for it to say u have finished ur session um I hardly left the station I want a long train trip to do on free roam then drive back to where I started but it seems like it’s not possible

Did you have a nice rest? Glad to see your back. Keep up the great reviews, this is why you have 9000+ subscribers, you deserve more! Dovetail, bring the prices down, you are SO Ignorant and Greedy.

Why did DTG not put Class 378 Capitalstar trains on TSW4.

Barking station in this game feels like it’s abandoned station while IRL it’s a popping station 😂😂😂😂

The 710 motor sounds like a 319

Bro ur the best KZfaqr ever I can’t lie

You didnt mention ECML as being linear with limited gameplay variation.... Which it definitely has. But ECML is apparently the most played route in the game (DTG official data). TSW does definitely need another diesel locomotive, a 60 or 67 would seem to be sound choices.

A route that I’d like to see would be London Liverpool Street to Ipswich which could include Greater Anglia and the class 345 for Elizabeth line services. You could also include the Romford to Upminster Line with the recently released class 710. (Yes I am aware that the DTG forums would be a better place to post this but I don’t want to and I though it would be nice to hear your guy’s thoughts).

What would your reaction be if they suddenly announce TSW 5

16:56 are those wagons from a MOD?

When I saw that the Class 171 would not be in the route, my reaction was a simple “No one was expecting anything more”. A bit of a side note, I think it’s pretty telling how much this is lacking that on the promo video one of the features is the ECML crossing AI layover. As if I bought that route solely to see trains I can’t even drive lol. This route really is just meh.

It also is especially poor timing with the summer months approaching it will get the nickname suffering line by many a cooked passenger I also think the lift is way too quickly accelerating

Would like to see the Class 70 personally

I got bad news regarding the Fife Circle Line. Last night i watched the preview of the Fife Circle Line here on KZfaq on the official Train Sim World KZfaq page and it's a massive let down. Like literally. I'll link down the link so you can see it for yourself. kzfaq.infowQoBx1d6ir8?si=VSoRj2EKc-N_xa87

The short route trend they seem to LOVE is something I hope to god they do not do to the Tadami Japanese Route we have coming to TSW4 later this year... Supposed to be a very scenic route from train cab POVs I've watched on KZfaq. Scenery though is something DTG seem to.... Be questionable in at best.

Sadly i didnt see any sparks from the 710s

I do actually enjoy tsw4 on expert level. No notification and head up display. Learn the route and location. Learn speed limits. It’s a whole new level of immersion imo. I no longer drive any route with notifications and markers et. It’s hard. You have to learn the schedule and all button location. Try it. In this hard mode those linear lines take learning. Give it a go and let me know how it goes. Do you do twitch streams?

The thing is, they need routes to be boring and have shitty replay value so people will buy more routes 😂 Business is business. What's the use of selling a 80 mile route for 1/3 higher price than a 30 mile one? Planned obsolescence

4:37 average dtg femboys voice be like:

so much potential wasted again... 😂