Long Live Used Xeons!

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Жыл бұрын

Many popular reviews will have you believe that Xeon CPUs have outlived their usefulness, that they can't keep up with other budget options for a competitively priced gaming PC build. But what if the answer wasn't so clear cut? Here we pit an Intel Xeon 2667 v4 against an AMD Ryzen 3700x in a battle of the budget builds. And these benchmarks will surprise you.
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@AlexHuebi Жыл бұрын

As someone living in an area with relatively high energy prices, I'd love some tests with Idle, low/medium and heavy load powerdraw from the cpu or even preferably the platform.

@killingtimeitself Жыл бұрын

im also pretty curious to know what the difference in power consumption between these machines is. Would certainly be a neat bit of information.

@SianaGearz Жыл бұрын

The behaviour of my Ryzen 5 5500 B450 system with a 550W Seasonic Gold that i built is a little absurd on a wall power meter, apparently caused by the Seasonic if i were to guess. Looks like the Seasonic just shuts down its PFC circuit cold once in a while if you're not drawing much power, as the wall power meter shows flat zero with a 50W blip once every 2-3 seconds. I'm not sure i trust these readings, i think my GTX970 desktop-idles at around 20W at least, driving a 1440p 120Hz 10-bit desktop on one monitor and 1080p60 on another. But it does seem to indicate that the Ryzen system at least the mainboard CPU portion of it has a very lean idle, leaner than i've seen on an Ivy Bridge i5-3570 running the same PSU, which was well above 50W with that same GTX970 and those same monitors and desktop setup.

@thetruemorg Жыл бұрын

For performance and power consumption I've moved to the small that you're finding it the five to $600 range. I forget the one I have right now but it's it's power at 35 w at full load. And I'm able to play the similar to your games that he was showing.

@beavermml Жыл бұрын

if ur running the xeon 24/7 like server would, of course it will be higher but then runnning those xeons just like normal PC etc wont break your bank like buying totally new PC will

@ewenchan1239 Жыл бұрын

I would be interested in the power consumption figures as well as I am thinking of trying to consolidate a bunch of my systems down to a dual Xeon server and then virtualise pretty much everything else.

@TheAnoniemo Жыл бұрын

Xeons usually have a bunch of cache, which is great for gaming performance. This and the large memory bandwidth is probably a large part of the better than expected gaming performance.

@gg-gn3re Жыл бұрын

yep that's literally what he said, watch the video

@chiari4833 9 ай бұрын

And some of them can run with unlock turbo boost in ALL cores like the e5v3. A 10-14 core running at 3.3ghz is nothing to sneeze at 😊

@uruacufutsal1 8 ай бұрын

@@chiari4833most games dont use more than 4 cores anyway

@Mad-Lad-Chad 8 ай бұрын

@@uruacufutsal1 Most modern games utilize more than 4 cores nowadays. They certainly won't utilize 14 but saying they only use 4 isn't accurate anymore.

@superslotheroes7649 6 ай бұрын

@@uruacufutsal1 actuallly that was long ago most modern games ar usinng more core's/threads since gpus are getting strounger cpus need to try to compinstate for the bottlenecking in games

@richardxstroker Жыл бұрын

I'm old enough to remember the 771/775 mod, and it's great to see that old enterprise CPU's can still hold their own, even today.

@raiden72 Жыл бұрын

LGA775 was the OG slot!

@suiken3149 Жыл бұрын

Can't say the same for AMD's Opteron

@MarthSR Жыл бұрын

I don't think that market's about to die anytime soon.

@Pineapple-co6fe Жыл бұрын

I feel old now

@superslotheroes7649 6 ай бұрын

i still have a 775 Qx9770 in my delll xps m1730 with nvidia sli 9800gtx's. I use just for when my main rig goes down due to a bad windows update until its refreshed.

@llynellyn Жыл бұрын

One thing not mentioned (apologies if I missed it) is that if you build the 3700X system then you can wait a few years and pick up a used 5800X3D for a very nice boost, if you build the X99 system your upgrade path involves a new board/CPU/RAM

@2muchjpop Жыл бұрын

Or even a 5950x

@ruinedlasagna Жыл бұрын

@@2muchjpop we're talking gaming performance, which the 5800x3d is better at than the 5950x. But the option of 16 cores may prove quite handy especially in the future as software gets better at utilizing more cores

@b0ne91 Жыл бұрын

I don't disagree. But I think by the time that upgrade might come around for someone this budget conscious, there may already be another used platform worth upgrading to. In many parts of the world, the used B450 and R7 3700X may also not be anywhere near as cheap as in the US. And don't forget, there's now plenty of guides for getting ReBar to work with Intel and AMD GPUs on X99.

@kintustis Жыл бұрын

or an upgrade to a 22 core broadwell chip

@rogeliotarucjr9380 Жыл бұрын

Not true by then amd cpu already kick the bucket. Amd cpus has high fail rate.

@joshuatyler4657 Жыл бұрын

Part of what makes Xeon processors a little more robust against aging versus the consumer CPUs at the same time is the cache size. The Xeon E5-2667 v4 has 25MB of cache while the i7 6700k only has 8MB. Clock speed is only part of the story when it comes to HPC and server focused CPU solutions.

@prashanthb6521 Жыл бұрын

True. I have a HPC distributed system running several old i5/Xeon 3rd gen PCs. They run databases and some python applications just fine. They were bought quite cheap and all combined have huge compute bandwidth.

@manhandler 6 ай бұрын

I7 6850k has 15mb l3 and runs 4chan memory. Has a 3.6ghz boost to 3.8 and can run on lga 2011-3 motherboard with ecc ram , but cannot use the ecc capabilities.

@Millilitree Жыл бұрын

Would be great to see the power consumption as well!

@dashtesla Жыл бұрын

I would also like to see a comparison for server applications such as vms and zfs easy to test

@Yolofolks Жыл бұрын

Power consumption will be much higher on x99 source: (i am using a i7-5820k on asus x99 pro with a gtx 1050ti with (6pin), (Total system power consuption it idles at 142w and 268w with load) Btw the processor is not overcloked yet. Power consumption will be higher with oc... Edit: ohh nvm it was overclocked 4.5ghz

@snives7166 Жыл бұрын

@@dashtesla The price comparison becomes very different in that case. Once you swap the 3700x to ECC UDIMMs the xeon build becomes half the cost of the Ryzen.

@ryancipriani5757 Жыл бұрын

I replied to someone else with this: I run an AMD 3700x as my main, and an HP z440 with a E5-2690 V4 (14 cores, boost up to 3.5GHz) for non gaming stuff (pictures, video, multiprocess python stuff). These values were read off my UPS display (both towers plugged into this): 3700x idle : 125-135W 3700x load : 153-207W (single-multi) cpu-z : 506/5338 2690v4 idle : 45-72W 2690v4 load : 108-180W (single-multi) cpu-z : 413/6946 The 3700x has a Radeon 6600, the z440 got my old GTX 1060. There's other stuff in the 3700x system that will use more power - more harddrives, water cooling, fans etc, though with nothing else active these additions should be minimal. It should also be noted, that I run with PBO off. My 3700x isn't going to clock up, but I've decided I'm not really CPU bound in most games really, and if I were, I don't think PBO would get be out of that hole - so I leave it off. PBO on will make the 3700x use more power on load as well. Biggest oddity is the 3700x is a 65W chip and the 2690V4 is a 135W chip. Again - I'm reading off the UPS, no overclocking. The x99 chipset might be more power hungry than the HP chipset used in the z440, but I don't think it would be too insane. Load testing was done with CPU-z.

@purebloodsunite7489 Жыл бұрын

@@ryancipriani5757 3700x idle seems really high, my 3600 idles just over 50w(not including monitor).

@PuggiTheGreat Жыл бұрын

I really glad you did this test and uploaded it. I've being saying for years that that older hardware is often quite capable and that the upgrade path is more profit driven than a real necessity to upgrade if one is careful with ones builds on a budget. That Xeon build is quite nice and many would be quite happy with it.

@jonspoonamore3721 Жыл бұрын

Old Network/System Admin here.... I rebuilt my Server/Desktop way back in 2016 with a used Xeon E5-2658-V3 (2011-V3 MB). At the time, that was the best bang-4-buck for serious CPU power. And... What I thought would be a future-proof setup for at least a decade. But.... Thanks to the CPU wars that have been going on since early 2022, my next upgrade depends on current pricing of used Xeons vs used Ryzens. The prices on used CPUs has been steadily dropping for months. I want maximum performance on my next upgrade. And I want better power consumption as well. That is my dilemma! Pricing vs Power-Consumption. I decided a long time ago to never pay more than $200 for any CPU. So.... When I upgrade.... If I can get an used Ryzen w/ new MB cheaper than just a faster used Xeon, I'll go AMD. Time will only tell.

@TheRogueBro Жыл бұрын

I'm still rocking an i7-3770 for homelab. Have been wanting to upgrade and waiting for used prices to be half decent in my area.

@666nacirema666 Жыл бұрын

I ran these xeons for quite a while for my home server. Ended up getting a 2700x though after started having issues with that system. Honestly if my motherboard didnt start killing ram sticks id still be running the dual xeon system. With the vega 64 in it I could play anything at acceptable framerates and it worked great doing dual duty as a media/file server for the rest of the house.

@dashtesla Жыл бұрын

@@TheRogueBro I have a TrueNAS machine with 9x12TB and 3x10TB running on a Dell R510 with 2x Xeons X5680s :D "free power" at the office but still pretty old hardware still running well with 10G nics and ssds for L2 ARC even 2x 300GB SAS for boot drive redundancy

@AzumaRikimaru Жыл бұрын

also remember, its other parts that cost extra as well. Newer gen RAM (pricing instance) is still holding me back, but at the same time finding older gen RAM is getting harder to come by. but somehow im enjoying the options, i feel like im building a little gundam every time lol

@TheSpeckledProfessor Жыл бұрын

I will say, I agree with Jeff's conclusion too, but prices on places like FB Marketplace and Craigslist vary wildly, and you can get some cheap discounts for people looking to offload hardware. For example, I picked up my 3700x for $80. I got lucky, absolutely, but at least in my area it's not an uncommon price.

@etegration Жыл бұрын

Here always for these old Xeon builds! thank you for another one of these videos! Hope to see a updated dual socket videos too! :)

@opensourcedev22 Жыл бұрын

Damn. Was not expecting the Xeon 2667 to pack a punch like that still. Literally a hidden gem along with its Xeon brothers

@i.a.1475 2 ай бұрын

In Brazil the 2667 is a very popular choice, although many could not afford and opt for more inexpensive Xeons like 2640

@lexluthermiester Жыл бұрын

@Craft Computing Very nice showing here. I really like that you kept things focused on real-world use-case scenario's and how objective & impartial you kept things. I think testing with an RTX2080 would have given some interesting results. It isn't unreasonable to think that said card would be paired with one of those tested platforms.

@RichardJohnson-GW Жыл бұрын

I love these Xeon and other "non-standard" builds. Thanks for doing them!

@Primoz.r Жыл бұрын

Would love to see power usage comparisons and some workstation workloads.

@dan167 Жыл бұрын

Xeon power consumption isn't too bad server power consumption is due to the fans. 1366 xeons take about 150 watts at max load and most stay within that range especially only an 8 core

@rescuehelly271 Жыл бұрын

The eBay cpu pricing is similar, but we can get a new am4 motherboard with like $50, seem like a much better choice.

@Grizoup Жыл бұрын

Your videos helped me to build a DL380 G8 dual xeon 2650 16c/32t 64gb with tesla K80 2x12gb graphic card with 1tb NVME drive, running VMware ESXI. With that machine.. I can run 2 windows gaming vm , running lot of games for something like 800$ . Hard to beat that price for two budget gaming pc. And.. even better... it can run a firewall, windows server and some Linux distros all at the same time.

@dan167 Жыл бұрын

Perfect system since it has avx

@ZonkedCompanion Жыл бұрын

Where are you drawing power for the 8pin connector on that gpu? It's 300w isn't it? And there are no accessible power rails in the DL380 beyond sas/sata power...

@omega3fatass61 Жыл бұрын

awesome

@ItsThicc Жыл бұрын

How teach me

@seansingh4421 11 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure that you can run more stuff on your setup concurrently than you think.

@AI-xi4jk Жыл бұрын

Jeff it would be great to see productivity benchmarks like video encode/decode, compression, encryption, compiler bench, etc.

@seylaw Жыл бұрын

These Xeons shine in multi-threaded workloads. And even newer games get better at multi-threading nowadays which improves the value proposition of older high core count CPUs also for gaming. I use my Haswell-EP Xeon for gaming and code compilation on Linux. Especially if you use advanced compiler optimization techniques on a performance-oriented distribution like CachyOS that already offers x86-64-v3 repos by default, you'd be surprised at what you get: A great low-latency desktop and gaming experience on a platform from 2014.

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

AMD Threadripper can be thought about in this scenario. It has quadchannel memory

@seylaw Жыл бұрын

@@poseidon3032 Yes, while the performance of 1st Gen Threadripper is similar to my Haswell-Xeon, the ecosysem is more exotic and expensive, e.g. CPU coolers and motherboards are far more widespread for X99. Also consider the NUMA-problem of 2nd Gen Threadripper.

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

The minimums is the only frame rate metric that ever mattered to me as well as smoothness of gameplay. I would gladly hand over better visuals in favor of smoothness any day. 60+ minimum is what is necessary, not 120 maximum FPS (I don't care!) Janky, jittery framerate irritates me to no end.

@seylaw Жыл бұрын

@@poseidon3032 That's why I am gaming on Linux nowadays and compile performance-sensitive packages with advanced optimization techniques (LTO+PGO) from source myself. This helped me quite a bit to reduce stutter and squeeze more juice out of my system.

@seylaw Жыл бұрын

@@kadupse Sure, but my undervolted Xeon boosts to 3.8 Ghz if only up to 10C/20T are utilized. So does it matter for older games or apps that are only lightly multi-threaded? No, as 3.8 Ghz is still plenty fast for these tasks. And better-multithreaded tasks profit from the available 18 cores, hence it is a great compromise between both worlds, I would say. At least for now.

@felixandy Жыл бұрын

These are my favorite kind of videos! Very happy with my Z440 I copied from one of your builds a few months back.

@ProjectPhysX Жыл бұрын

Hi Jeff, do you know an affordable mainboard for quad PCIe 3.0 x16 dual slot GPUs? I'm looking at 4x Tesla P40 24GB for GPU compute. There is some cheap X99 boards, but these CPUs only usually have only 24 of their 40 PCIe lanes allocated for the GPUs with PLX chips. How much does PLX impact PCIe bandwidth? And is there affordable options with native 64 lanes for GPUs? Thanks!

@bambinone Жыл бұрын

I've got a 2667 v4 in my fileserver! Great chip for ZFS. I also have a 6950X-based workstation so I guess you could say I drank the Broadwell-E(P) kool-aid. The 6950X replaced a 1680 v2 that I had overclocked to 4.3GHz all-core (IIRC). Lots of life left in these old Xeons!

@MarshallSambell Жыл бұрын

You either aren’t going hard enough or you got a rubbish chip. My 1680 V2 would do 4.5ghz all core at 1.36V

@bambinone Жыл бұрын

@@MarshallSambell Rubbish motherboard.

@iket.9930 Жыл бұрын

@@MarshallSambell I have two 1680 V2's that do 4.7GHz @1.3 core volts or less.

@mysticknight487 Жыл бұрын

Can't wait for next year's review, hopefully with EYPC 7002 F, non F, Xeon Scalable, and comparable consumer parts

@GillespieGaming Жыл бұрын

I bought a used Xeon E3-1270 v2 (quad core 8T) for £30 to put in my HTPC build a year or so ago, It has performed superbly!

@StewartWild 7 ай бұрын

Thankyou! I really appreciate your take on giving us non-traditional budget gaming options. You are filling a niche the others aren't.

@anotherfellasaiditsnunya Жыл бұрын

Can't give enough thumbs up. Good research and delivery

@carlolalattacosterbosa5821 Жыл бұрын

excellent video, i agree on your thoughts about the gpu you decided to choose. BUT PLEASE, THROW A COUPLE OF EMULATION BENCHARMKS AS WELL NEXT TIME (pcsx2, rpcs3...) there is a great community out there willing to see some results in emulation beside gaming...

@gionieves2646 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I used to build X5650s and x5680s all the time with 10 series GTX GPUs. Now I learned the newer Xeons are even better for budget builds!

@MarthSR Жыл бұрын

Hey, X5650s were great if you wanted to upgrade your momma's computer with lots of cheap RAM so you wouldn't hear about her computer needing to be replaced for a loooooong time. :) 6-core 12-thread is far enough for that sort of usage.

@lucasrem 7 ай бұрын

Gino nieves Play old games, why cry that here ? Need negative attention ?

@gionieves2646 7 ай бұрын

@@lucasrem what the hell are you talking about? Your comment makes no sense.....troll 🧌

@LukeTheJoker 8 ай бұрын

Great video, you earned my subscription for sure! I bought an ex-office HP set up with Xeon W-2145, 64gb 2666, 512 nvme really cheap, add in a used RX6800 and it is more machine than any games I play require, for less than what a new machine with half the potential would cost.

@Jared01 Жыл бұрын

I recently picked up a 5600X from my local Microcenter for $160 new in box. Swapped my 2700X out for it on an X470 motherboard from the 2700X’s original build. I’d be willing to bet you could get to about the same cost with the 5600X and a board as you did with the 3700X here.

@kisiello Жыл бұрын

Or get a used 5700G for ~$160 on ebay. Using AM4 you could really cheap out on the motherboard as well, since you can get A320 boards for ~$50 that will run 5000 series CPUs.

@andreewert6576 Жыл бұрын

@@kisiello 5700G is Zen2 based though, afair.

@fourmobro6214 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip. It never really occurred to me to investigate Xeon for my old X99 gaming rig. I was able to buy/install/upgrade my proxmox node from an 6850 6-core to the 2697 16-core for a mere $100. Best upgrade ever.

@ozbusa Жыл бұрын

Just about to purchase one of these Xeon rigs for a multi core Proxmox host as I’ve reached the max of my5 yo rig.. And will be following your tutorial on video pass thru for plex. You sir are a legend. Thanks..

@nidiahk Жыл бұрын

So when we are gpu limited, all cpus perform within margin of error.... I feel like I could have told you that. I think it gets forgotten though and I'm glad you brought up the effectiveness of these cheap older cpus. I would also like to see the difference when the 3700x has pbo enabled as it allows a large performance boost for free in lightly threaded applications like games even with a cheap cooler. I can't say I would recommend a used xeon as I find it hard to fully trust old motherboards, and the amd 5600 or 5500 can be picked up for so cheap

@chincemagnet 6 ай бұрын

The fact these Xeons have a large cache and a high core count goes a long way now, especially vs when they came out. A quad core isn’t gonna cut it now, even if it’s a high clocked one like a 7700K. I’d take an 8 or 12 core with a lot of cache over a 7700K.

@ShazAu8 Жыл бұрын

Facts! Thanks for talking some sense. Please consider adding a table for comparisons like this that shows specs and total platform costs. Would a b450 and/or an import board got the prices close by much?

@2ZZMR2 Жыл бұрын

I love these Xeon comparisons and it's been so long between drinks. I built an X99 + Xeon E5 2678v3 a few years ago after one of your past builds. Upgraded it to an E5 2696v3 recently when the price of them dropped dramatically to below $100 which boosts to 3.8 GHz and you can enable the all core turbo unlock. It's given new life to my x99 platform.

@ineligible2267 Жыл бұрын

Any significant gain in games?? I've been trying to figure out if the extra cache on the 2696v3 would be worthwhile if there's a good deal

@2ZZMR2 Жыл бұрын

@@ineligible2267 definitely. The cinebench and aida64 single thread scores are improved significantly with the extra clock speed. It doesn't maintain full turbo boost on all cores but in gaming you don't use all cores anyway so holds the 3.8 GHz nicely. I tested with an rtx 3070 and saw definite improvement in sottr and Jedi fallen order that I was playing at the time of the upgrade.

@ufukpolat3480 Жыл бұрын

Intel naming scheme with Xeons baffles me. Like sure, 2696 is a bigger number than 2678 but how much bigger? The steps between desktop parts at least give a reasonable clue. i5 +2 cores = i7 +2 cores = i9.

@DiegoVantesco Жыл бұрын

@@ufukpolat3480 wat

@raiden72 Жыл бұрын

@@ufukpolat3480 compare the core count and gigahertz and cachd

@adrianhughes2163 Жыл бұрын

Superb video, well done sir!

@christ2290 Жыл бұрын

I buy the ever loving hell out of used Xeons on eBay. Talk about bang for the buck. Buy a barebones PowerEdge R430, drop in a couple 2690v4 Xeons, a handful of used SAS SSDs and 192GB of cheap, used RAM on eBay and boom, you have a ridiculous ESXi powerhouse with 28 cores / 56 threads on the cheap. I threw together a R420/E5-2470v2/192GB/8x800GB SAS SSDs (RAID 50) machine for the office to get out us out of a pinch and I'm currently running 21 VMs on it and it's humming along like a champ. It was intended to just be temporary to spin up virtual desktops for remote workers during Covid and would get replaced when we got new hardware ordered. It does the job so well, we never bothered to replace it.

@benjaminlynch9958 Жыл бұрын

This is a great video and not what I expected. Those Xeon’s performed a lot better in gaming than I expected based on their age, but the results make sense if there’s a non-CPU bottleneck in the system. And for the record, I 100% agree with the conclusion at the end. I myself am running an AMD 3700X with an RTX2070 Super, and I have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. Gaming performance is ‘good enough’, and the 3700x is overkill for 95% of my productivity tasks. We’re getting to the point where the next generation of Raspberry Pi’s - if they include current gen smartphone level graphics capability - will be perfectly suitable desktop PC’s for over half the population including budget gamers.

@StruggleBoxing Жыл бұрын

U will be lucky to get a snapdragon 845 in the next Raspberry pi

@beavermml Жыл бұрын

games all about GPU anyway and since consoles still rocking low-clock zen2 CPU.. we wont need faster CPU anytime soon

@StruggleBoxing Жыл бұрын

@@beavermml on Raspberry pi most people that game use it for emulation which is more cpu dependent than gpu.

@beavermml Жыл бұрын

@@StruggleBoxing emulation is a special case

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

If want performance on a platform like Raspberry Pie, then there are better options for that class. Most are x86-base though.

@nabeelahmed9892 Жыл бұрын

Just what i was looking for thnx!

@rbartsch Жыл бұрын

Great Test! 😀 What's the idle wattage of the two XEONs including mainboard and RAM? (for a Proxmox server with gaming VM)

@larslessel4501 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Awesome topic and superb presentation. You made me laugh out loud at 14:10 ;)

@gxretears 8 ай бұрын

Great video! I'd be really interested in seeing test like this with an amd gpu equivalent to see if driver overhead hits the xeons harder.

@TheMongolPrime Жыл бұрын

I would love to see you apply your methodology to something like monitors and OLED burn-in problems. With all of the new monitors coming out, I'd be curious to hear your opinions on them!

@Cristofopo Жыл бұрын

i lovethe drinking beer aspect of your videos

@thelionskiln Жыл бұрын

Very interesting! Still humming along with a X99 6800K here, always surprises me how well it still runs.

@tubes9181 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for testing with a reasonable system!

@dog_knight Жыл бұрын

Surprised by the gaming results. Definitely cool to see that Xeon's are keeping up. I happen to have both the Xeon 2697a v4 and a Ryzen 3700x as well. For anyone interested, my Cinebench R23 multicore scores were 14132 for the Xeon and 12116 for the Ryzen. These were taken about a year ago as I no longer have the Ryzen in a PC. I have the Xeon in a home server running ESXI currently and it performs very well for that. I definitely think there was some minor IPC improvements between the v3 and v4 Xeon's. Most likely down to their change in process node from 22nm to 14nm. Definitely some good X99 options out there. However I don't see X299 being a worthwhile option anytime soon. The Xeon's for socket 2066 as still quite expensive for the higher core count versions. Although with enough time, given there are some chips that will hit over 5ghz for a Xeon, it may pick up.

@marklewus5468 6 ай бұрын

I caught this video pretty late but I wanted to thank you anyway. it’s amazing the kind of performance you were able to get out of sub $600 box. Earlier this year I was thinking about building a 13900K/RTX 4090 gaming PC, really glad I didn’t.

@rizz0d Жыл бұрын

i love it when old high-end hardware puts up a fight! i notice the new cpu's outscore the old stuff by a huge margin in the benchmarks, but in regular daily use they just don't feel that much faster. car analogy: corvette is faster than a civic, but do you really feel the performance difference cruising at 70mph down the highway?

@crc-error-7968 Жыл бұрын

Ciao Jeff what about power consumption? Are the ryzen better then xeon? I plan to build a proxmox server and it will run 24/7 Cheers from Italy ;)

@danlewin2260 Жыл бұрын

Thanks bud, I think I'll be using this cpu/motherboard combo in my old TS440 chassis.

@Trains-With-Shane Жыл бұрын

I would be interested to see how one of those vintage of Xeons stack up when paired with a slightly more recent GPU. thinking 3060ti or 3070ti. Wondering how much of a deficiency would result from the older PCIe revision.

@John-rw9bv Жыл бұрын

Apparently not much, because while PCIe4 is 2x faster than PCIe3, the bandwidth between the CPU and GPU is rarely the bottleneck, it's throughput IOPS, and even then, most of the time the PCIe is quiet.

@Trains-With-Shane Жыл бұрын

@@John-rw9bv Thanks John. I was thinking that would likely be the case. I've been wanting to roll a couple new systems. One as a newer gaming machine to replace my trusty but ancient HP Z400 sporting a hex core Xeon W3670 and a GTX 970. It's been a very trusty old rig for years but I want to upgrade to NVME, more and faster RAM, and of course a newer GPU.

@trumpsextratesticle8590 5 ай бұрын

I have a Dual Socket motherboard with (2) E5-2699V3 cpus with a 3060 (12GB version) with 256GB RAM and it runs everything just fine... I also Multibox the hell out of EVE Online.. lol

@danl2073 Жыл бұрын

Great video! This is the kind of stuff I love to watch. How about an X5690 build compared?

@PtolemyCeasar Жыл бұрын

Still rocking the Xeon's here, and very happy too.

@randallsmith2521 Жыл бұрын

I've gotta say, I like the bench table. It is inexpensive enough that I don't mind going with it over other options, and has a good feature set. It might get a home on my bench.

@fridaycaliforniaa236 5 ай бұрын

Mate, do you think an OCed E5-1680 v3 would be nice, if paired with a RTX 3060 ? (I have my old trusty 3770k, that works fine for games, but I need more PCIe lanes...)

@alexanderr6106 Жыл бұрын

I would be interested in actual power usage while load. With energy price's from 50-70ct per kwh in my area, that would eliminate the 90$ difference pretty fast.

@deterdamel7380 Жыл бұрын

indeed this should be taken into account in any case, at least if you take about money saving.

@alexanderr6106 Жыл бұрын

@@username8644 Welcome to german electric prices. I have now seen close to 1€ electric prices. If you dont believe me maybe i can send screenshots 😂

@achannelhasnoname5182 Жыл бұрын

I would have liked to see the comparison made with the 5600(X) instead of the 3700X. The 5600 non x is new even cheaper compared to an used 3700X. You could also add some GPU scaling benchmarks like Hardware Unboxed does sometimes. So test both CPUs with different classes of GPUs to see at what point a bottleneck is reached.

@frikkieboi Жыл бұрын

Hi Where's the last part of the Xbox build. Love the videos BTW

@gamecollectorbr Жыл бұрын

Wow. 2017... time flies! I have the exact same motherboard from machinist. Building a nas following your tips. Thanks mate!

@mintymus Жыл бұрын

How do you like that motherboard? I've seen mixed reviews on it. Does it "sleep" properly?

@TheRobMozza Жыл бұрын

GO TEAM XEON!!! Like the video Jeff! Especially some of your hilarious comments! Brilliant EDIT: and your 'class' Doom T-shirt as well

@xero110 Жыл бұрын

Watching in non-fullscreen and that shirt with youtube compression had me questioning if someone dosed my dinner delivery. Awesome shirt, tho.

@christopherdecorte1599 Жыл бұрын

I like how you show the realistic side of hardware. The cutting edge hardware channels often fail at showing the benefits of why you should or shouldn't upgrade they get all those fancy sponsorship hardware. But do the consumer need to replace their yet or alternative upgrade paths that could easily be what is just as good for my parents I build lower cost gaming rig with slightly out dated hardware since they doing email and documentation just need it Tobe snappy. My self I prefer current gen but mid to high within reason and reuse most parts.

@beansnrice321 Жыл бұрын

Picked up a e5-2690 v4 a few years back for 200 and I've been loving it with it's fat cache and quad channel memory. Just slapped in an RTX A5000 and an optane L2 cache for primocache and now she's downright singing! =D

@paulflickner6496 Жыл бұрын

AMEN !! I just got my Lenovo Thinkstation P520 Xeon W-2135 w/8X4 2666 Memory Sticks and included 900W Platinum PSU today... Bought an RX 6600 and 1TB NVME + 1TB SSD... and for $550(ish) - Amazing build quality... LONG LIVE USED XEONS !!!

@edpozek Жыл бұрын

Can you do a round up of the 3700x vs the 5700x now? Maybe add a Xeon for fun? I just ordered the 5700x to upgrade my 3700x in my homelab/cloud gaming server. Seems like I maybe should have seen this before making those purchases.

@ericmartens8151 Жыл бұрын

I just got a chinese x99 mb and E5-2670-V3 for my home lab. Upgrading from a pair of i5 2400 desktops. Love your tutorials

@fearthesmurfs Жыл бұрын

I just got a free Dell Precision 5810 with a stock e5-1650 v3. I plan on upgrading with an AMX 6600 for some budget gaming. Is it worth upgrading the CPU to a 1660 v4 for 80 bucks or should a just get a higher end v3 like a 2667 or 2687. It's very overwhelming ahaha.

@bigsnyder01 Жыл бұрын

Curious as to why the 2697A lags behind the 2667 in the few scenarios where the difference is noticeable. On paper the max boost clock is the same at 3.6Ghz. Is this one of those deals where the higher core count cpu is maxing out the TDP limit quicker than the lower core count part does?

@michaelthompson9798 Жыл бұрын

16:20 Jeff, that goal in Rocket League was absolute gold 🏆🥇my man 💪🥳🎉🎊

@CraftComputing Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@sneakycactus8815 8 ай бұрын

2:02 an A550 motherboard? wow. truly one of a kind!

@anakwaboe4805 Жыл бұрын

what i noticed with going from an i7 4790 +1050 to a R9 7950X + 4090 is that it mainly makes a big difference in non AAA games. they scale way different and have a lot of bottlenecks. generally even with such an amazing gaming machine my frames are not that crazy. but with my old machine it was unplayable.

@jdl3408 Жыл бұрын

What would you recommend for a hypervisor? Is the Xeon Scalable line worth it?

@talkingonthespectrum 7 ай бұрын

I have a Xeon 2996V4 system that I use for playing with virtualisation, my NAS, Jellyfin and email server. It's fun and it's good enough. Had the X99 board already and got 256GB DDR4 ECC RAM and the chip for like 300 so it works out really well for my usecase

@milescarter7803 Жыл бұрын

I know you /can/ run registered and ECC memory with X99, but is there not a performance improvement from running regular unbuffered ram? At the very least in latency. Seems like 4x4gb sticks of DDR4 might give good performance on this platform.

@bobbybusche2716 Жыл бұрын

Is there anyway to do clock for clock performance?? Like run the Ryzen at the same speed as the higher clocked Xeon?? I dunno.. it would seem it would be an apple to apple comparison with a slight better GPU

@LuneX6666 Жыл бұрын

So i have a used Dell T3610 with an E5-1620 v2, any good upgrade ideas when i don't want to break the bank for something to play around with ESXi and forthermore, should i ditch ESXi for proxmox?

@alderoth01 8 ай бұрын

I don't know a thing about computers. How do you overlook a CPU? I see things for overclocking GPU and memory, but nothing specifically for CPU's. Is there am app like Afterburner, or is it all in the bios?

@scupking 11 ай бұрын

Wonder how the 1650v4 would compare since it has the highest frequency out of those older xeons.

@ThePoot_tf2 Жыл бұрын

I have always loved your videos

@snowbarsyk Жыл бұрын

Went with dual socket 2696 v4 5yrs ago which i found was better value than TR back then. Was curious how does it stack up still or should i maybe upgrade. Quite amuzed it still holds, despite being dirt cheap :p Broadwell is a legend now

@roisoleilxiv14 Жыл бұрын

I wonder, if those v4 Xeons would still be competitive with sth like a RX-6600 or 6700XT

@jaxxolotl Жыл бұрын

I’m working on putting a parts list together for a gaming and emulation machine. Do you know how the gaming performance carries over to emulation? I plan to emulate some of my switch games and ps3 games

@Pasi123 Жыл бұрын

I've been on X58 platform since 2013, first with a 4c/8t Xeon W3520 (i7-920) and since 2016 overclocked 6c/12t Xeon. I do also have a X79/C600 based ThinkStation S30 with a 8c/16t Xeon E5-2690

@mrscotchguy Жыл бұрын

Wish I could run mw2 with my x5675

@lorenzodeangelis8463 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review. Just one question if anyone can answer does the Xeon E5-2667 v4 specifically need ddr4 ECC server memory to run or can you use your existing generic PC ddr4 sticks ? cheers

@kloroformd Жыл бұрын

I'm just rocking a single E5-2609 v3 in a dual-socket SuperMicro board for the homelab. Thinking about getting another one to fill the other socket, but I dunno if $5 is worth it.

@cliftonchurch6039 Жыл бұрын

For anyone who saw results for the upHere tower cooler, let me share my story with the upHere RGB fan kit. The RGB controller failed within the year, but the fans are working. They just feel like they were built with cheaper components, but that doesn't mean they're horrible. I just feel like I'll be investing in a real solid proper set of case fans sooner than I'd like to. I'm sure the cooler will do good work for you, but just be aware the lifespan may not be the best long term.

@kriztyke Жыл бұрын

Hello! Can you confirm the Intel B85-chipset on this board? This would mean a lot of differences regarding lanes. Could you do a follow up on the board regarding it's details? Cheers mate!

@nicholasclark4079 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see how old Ivy Bridge Xeons are doing on the X79 platform in 2023. They are so cheap you can buy a kit off of AliExpress for about $75 shipped. It's nuts. Hope to see some old X79 stuff soon!

@johnmadison3472 Жыл бұрын

I just picked up a Xeon E3-1275v2 for $30 on eBay to upgrade my HP Z220 workstation. Replacing i5 3470.

@likeapro9329 8 ай бұрын

As all ram is quad channel , does amount come into play that much ? ie is there a huge gaming hit from 4x4gb vs 4x8gb vs 4x32gb RAM??

@Tekgnome. Жыл бұрын

You should take a look at 1st gen EPYC. Prices are at an all time low and some boards like the Supermicro H11SSL-i have 2nd gen upgrade paths. I just picked up a 16c/32t CPU and motherboard for sub $300 USD

@LellePrinter82 Жыл бұрын

Long live Xeon. I've always been a fan of Xeon since my first xeon setup. My first Xeon setup were dual socket 603 dualcore cpu's on a Asus PC-DL . Pinmodded from original speed 2.2 ghz to 2.93ghz by cutting some pins so the FSB goes from 400mhz to 533mhz.

@safedave9689 Жыл бұрын

suprising how much performance is on the table with old xeons a very overlooked cpu option

@nismo4x4n Жыл бұрын

recommendations for a homelab 12x 10tb ZFS running freenas. I'm currently running a dual xeon X5650 128gb ECC in a 2U supermicro case with an SAS-3 LSI card in IT mode. But its a slow power pig and I'd like to offload a couple vm's on it(opnsense and plex).

@robinpage2730 Ай бұрын

How well do the xeon cpus pair with the intel gpus? Is the xeon 2xxxA v4 a good fit with an intel A380?

@samuelschwager Жыл бұрын

Built a dual socket Xeon E5 2680 v2 system back in 2017 (still in use), now you could have the same amount of cores or even more with one socket :) Times sure have changed.

@asm_nop Жыл бұрын

Running an overclocked 1680V2 as a main rig. Power consumption is high, but it can game at 4K, and the quad-channel DDR3-2400 has higher aggregate memory bandwidth than the vast majority of dual-channel DDR4 systems. Only now starting to consider an upgrade.

@samuelschwager Жыл бұрын

@@asm_nop Nice! If it works it works.

@Stev.3n Жыл бұрын

Just got a used Xeon Gold 6140 replacing my dual 2667v2 host. It won’t be a gaming machine but I’m excited to get deeper into Proxmox coming from VMware and Citrix Hypervisor at work.

@peny1981 11 ай бұрын

2690 v4 or 2667 v4 as upgrade to 5820k? For gaming and general performance. Or other cpu for 2011-3 ?

@919stephenp Жыл бұрын

how about a mini-itx nas build, was looking at the jonsbo n2 but unsure on a good mb/cpu combo to go with it

@atkalleveen2682 Жыл бұрын

Bought 2 Xeon E3-1275L V3 for my kids pc's. Excellent performance and low wattage. What more do you want.

@AltimaNEO Жыл бұрын

I still use my x99 system. I have a 5930K, but was wondering if updating to a xeon would be worth doing?

@mikebroom1866 Жыл бұрын

I'm always interested in mismatched configurations. I ran a 3700x and then 5600x with a 3090 FE. Only recently upgraded to a 5800x3d. Would love to see how these setups fair with a 3070 - 3080ti.

@zanezet Жыл бұрын

If you were building these systems from scratch on a budget you could also get an rtx 3060 for about the same price as a 1080 (within about $15-$20) in my current local market and the 3060 is a bit better in performance than the 1080 but still giving good budget balance.

@TheBIOSStar Жыл бұрын

Well with a 3080 Ti they would fare about as well as your 3090. There's barely any difference in real world testing.

@MrButuz Жыл бұрын

5800x3d is a flying machine in games isn't it!

@TechnnoTrucker Жыл бұрын

I have been looking at 8 core or better Xeon CPUs lately to replace my i7 5820K...if possible. I only use the PC for dedicated streaming. I have an Asus ROG Strix X99 Gaming motherboard, 64GB RAM (8x8GB) 2666MHz Corsair RAM. I'm not sure what to get? I'm only want to have all my lanes instead of being restricted to 28 lanes.