hahahha thankyou for that xD

I wished i joined the partying part, then i actually did and i found those partes to be boring. Not my thing. It was still the time when being a nerd was shameful, but i learned to embrace my identity. Trying to be something you are not is a path to frustration

I see them in Amazon Tunnel or Black Forest, but yes besides that never seen.

Longbows are one of my favourite unique units alongside cataphracts and teutonic knights. So fun

just like the auto scout, you don't have to use it.

They are a hard counter against eagles in any engagement

If you place the farms just one tile away from the TC, they fit very nicely, one farm on each TC corner and then 2 additional farms between each 2

Thumb ring 😂

I think Thumb ring would be too much just a little increase in the fire rate

So stupid imo

Yeah that's how I feel too

What if, economy was actually part of the game as well as military?

i think its planned to make the xbox experience better

When it comes to games, it's not just about time spent, it's about money spent. It's one thing to enjoy gaming, but another to spend 3600 dollars on a game on top of it. At that point, there's a good chance you're just addicted and need to get out.

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absolutely true, age thrives off of when you're forced to steer. The problem is that age also thrives off of the perception and existence of fairness. If a map script can disadvantage both players in different but roughly even ways, I'd say it's S tier. I think T-90's issue is that Daut has a significantly more defensible map with no real downside.

Hard disagree. At the lower level, the farm placement doesn't matter, actually placing farms does. That someone can spray and pray T90 farms and still perform well in other areas of the game shows that it isn't a hard barrier that's preventing people from exploring the game's depth. It is just another area someone can choose to optimize when you get to the bleeding edge. Keeping features like that is good for the game.

Why even play the game? Everything is automatically done for you.

Comparing it to qol features is an interesting take. Reseeding and auto-reseeding from a mill also takes away some depth/skill of having to pay attention to your farms, but was that really interesting minutia in the late-game? Do we want that kind of depth in our strategy game? You still have to pay attention to your economy in a macro sense (resource distribution; retasking idle vills), but is it crucial for the game experience to also micro your economy? When you think about it, most other ways of resource gathering are "automatic". You don't need to task lumberjacks to individual trees. You can just have 5 vills build a lumber camp and they'll automatically seek out the closest trees. Similarly, if you build a mill with no berries or deer around, it's safe to assume you want to place farms around it. Maybe bringing farming to the same level as all other eco isn't such a bad idea.

This is definitely a “It’s not a problem for me, and I don’t understand why it’s a problem for you.” A bit tone deaf from somebody who has benefited from the QoL features that have come to this game over the years. If T90 had to play the original version of the game versus someone of a similar skill level he’d beat his head against the keyboard in frustration when he misses a late game reseed and loses a dozen farms. He has entirely forgotten that QoL changes are what makes the difference in skill level between pro players twenty years ago and pro players today. Builds are so tight because of auto reseeding, technology queuing, automatic resource gathering, send villagers back to work, shift clicking, and more. Denying lower skill players tools to help them enjoy the game is *not* good for the game. I don’t play competitively because it’s simply not fun to play against someone miles ahead of me. I am not a fast player. Transitioning from berries and sheep to farms takes minutes because I have to sit there clicking villagers, clicking build, clicking farm, finding a spot, clicking the spot, then finding another villager. It’s nice that he thinks everybody can just slap farms all over the place no problem, but it’s not reality.

@@adeadfishdied For what it's worth, I've been playing and enjoying AOE since ghe original game. I've never been a high level player, and I missed plenty of reseeds back in the day. It was frustrating when it happened to me, but great when it happened to my opponent. I never cared enough back then to get good at defending/doing knight or tower rushes. I got whomped by plenty of players that had. And for all of that, I've continued to enjoy the game. What actually needs to be fixed is how quickly players find the correct Elo so they can start having fun playing against people at their own speed on ladder. Not introducing things to make the style of game on ladder more homogenous. Low Elo legends is great content. There are plenty of people that enjoy that style of game. Custom scenarios continue to exist, as well as NR games, etc. Games having aspects that are hard is part of what makea them fun, because it gives you a sense of accomplishment for overcoming those challenges. I say allow the autofarm off ladder. Heck, bring back manual reseeding on ladder. Stop watering down the experience in an effort to appeal to the greatest possible audience, but accept that not every game needs to be pulling in Fortnite numbers to be profitable and worth doing. AOE2 is a game largely kept alive by nostalgia, and an establishd userbase. Small tweaks and efforts to keep it from stagnating is great, but if you atart changing things too much in the pursuit of chasing a larger playerbase, you are barking up the wrong tree. AOE3 and 4 were chances to go in new directions and they were largely flops. They should go make AOE5 if they want to appeal to a more casual, console based audience, rather than taking a working legacy game and trying to bootstrap the console market to it. And yes, my farms proudly look like crap and having played long enough means I'm playing games where I'm losing as many as I'm winning. Because ultimately that's how Elo works, and no number of QoL improvements will ever change that.

Yes, this is what we need.

This would definitely help. However, I think even if they don't do this, they need to do something about how long it takes to place farms. There's a literal delay when placing them that should not be there. This is why even pro players are placing T90 farms.

I've seen that in SC2. In AOE2 it would greatly diminish the importance of scouting. Knowing the map and being able to identify areas of importance feels pretty unique to Age's character. I think maps need to be playable and fair, not neccessarily symmetrical. Forcing pure symmetry is easier, but comes at the expense of an important aspect of the game and would be a stealth nerf of civ bonuses around LoS/scouts, etc.

age of empires 2

RTS sucks on a controller. Always has. They should come out with a branded AOE2 keyboard and mouse bundle that works with the Xbox. *That* would help...

They need more range instead. Need more long. Maybe more bow.

@@thephelddagrif2907 I agree. Theyre called longbows. Definitely should focus on the long and the bow here.

Elite longowmen already have one more attack than an arbalest and an extra range for only 5 more total resources per longbowman

britons already have fully upgraded infantry, decent knights or light cav, and siege to cover the weaknesses of the longbowmen. the whole point of the longbow is to not get close to the enemy

Armor is useless against arrows 🏹 because the speed of the arrow can penitrate even plate armor in a direct hit. Best armor is the kind that deflects hits. And because an archor needs more mobility heavy armor means less accurate shots and slower firing rate.. when seconds matter extra armor just makes everything worse. If you are concerned about your archers bring a couple villagers to the battle field.. have them construct a wall.. distract the enemy with highly mobile calvary archers who shoot and scoot while the wall is being built.. then position your mass of archers behind the new wall with a few tanky units to absorb the damage while your archers hammer it down.. rotate heavy tank arrow sponge units to behind the archers where the healer units are.. constantly rotating not letting the enemy kill too many of the tanks units. To counter this strategy the enemy must be able to out range your archers with a trebuchet or batista or sneak in a heavy onnager to break down the walls. If you keep your villagers working they can construct fall back positions that further irritate and enemy and even a tower or two to slowly widdle away at their advance .. always keep some horse archers or heavy calvary in reserve to counter their trebuchet.. if they gaurd the trebuchet well your only hope is to block their resupply line and hope you can produce more replacement units than they can resupply

They are giving an accessibility feature for noobs and disabled people so they have a better chance with building an economy and aren't as overwhelmed as before. People like you are freaking out for no reason. The feature might even help you free up some apm to do better Mangonel micro instead of worrying so much about farms.

@@Robert-iz5fu lets just have the game play its self so that the mentaly impared can play! Im 650 elo ranked player. I DO NOT want this. This is a RTS it's by definition overwhelming. It's called a skill cap. This just in, Starcraft II resources harvest themselves!

@@mh13mini Starcraft 2 is your example, really? Anyone with your opinion should hate SC2 because it took all those great limitations from Broodwar away that made it so skill dependant. You should love the maximum of selecting 12 units at once, no building hotkeys, no worker rally points, Dragoon pathing, overly complex Shuttle micro, etc. More complexity on basic features does not make a game better.

@@Robert-iz5fu Increased accessibility is good. But keep it off ladder or make it a separate one. It's taking away a skill people have been cultivating in a 20 year old game in the name of making it more 'noob friendly'. Of course there will be backlash. To yout point, why not have units auto split to avoid mango shots? That would help me personally more than farm placement. The issue with this update is that it is picking winners and losers and the frustration it removes (placing farms) isn't high enough on the loser's list (unlike reseeding which was much morr universally despised) to be worth it. Also, I think you misread that other comment in regards to SC2. They did nothing to inply they supported the watering down from BW, because they didn't mention it. They mentioned 'why not just have resources gather themselves'. Ultimately, messing with nostalgia in a game greatly supported by it to chase new users is a gamble. RTS's have *never* worked well on a console. Chasing that dream is a stupid one.

@@Robert-iz5fu Noobs play against other noobs. Farm placement doesn't change that or make people better at the game relatively speaking. They are still going to play against other noobs.

As I robot, I love robotic games

​@@solorollo9756 Interesting that auto-placement is being considered robotic. I would argue that having to focus time on aligning farms is robotic. Building on hills is already needlessly complex.

@@xdog12 when a robot does things for you automatically, it’s robotic. Pretty simple

@@solorollo9756 so the patrol command is robotic?

@@xdog12 well… that entirely depends on if you’re an apple farmer or an orange farmer

You’ll get it when you have skill

@@solorollo9756 I have no issue placing farms

@@annaairahala9462 doubt it

@@solorollo9756 If I had issues with placing farms why would I think it's not a skill expression lol

@@annaairahala9462 if you think there’s no skill in farms, you’re not playing at that high of a level. If you were busy microing your army, scouting your enemy, and making a proper eco, you’d know just how tight builds can be, and how much skill goes into placing farms. You may have no issue placing farms, because you’re 15 apm and LEL. Which is an issue all by itself. The higher the elo, the harder farming becomes

Where does it end? Is it okay to use a macro button, one button press, to automatically build a mill and 8 farms? Auto-villager production is next, then auto build-order, then auto military production, then auto army formations, then...

Hi @@adamNZ2024, I feel like I already addressed this on the comment. But, to expand, I also think you can make that argument about virtually any game mechanic. Shift queue, auto reseed ... Those "what if" scenarios are highly speculative and do not really address auto farm placement. It's very much a strawman argument. In my opinion.

Get a mouse, get a keyboard. Solved.

Goated take

Consoles have been able tp have a keyboard and mouse connected to them since the PS2 era. It's simply a better control setup for certain styles of games, including RTS. I'm a hard no for redesigning the game to make it more accessible to controller play, it simply isn't a good idea. Some games play better with dual sticks, some with mouse and keyboard. Letting people use different control inputs is fine, but it shouldn't take up dev time to create featuresets to try to buff it.

If this is so, this should be exclusive for xbox then

Go play Fortnite, kid

@@paulk5670 I get your point on dev time. But let me clarify first that redesigning game should at no point be at stake, the game is amazing as it is. I'm talking about providing mechanics to players that play exclusively on controller with the goal of leveling the playing field between them and players up to our current 700-800 ELO bracket, and my hope is that this auto-farming feature ends up as an XBox controller exclusive feature. And again, taking as example the shooter I mentioned, skill expression at its highest level is always only achieved with keyboard and mouse anyway, so veterans would, if done correctly have nothing to fear over the long run. As for the reasoning it is as usual an economic one, if you are willing to allow controller folk to have a few of these "auto" mechanics, or other macros that don't utterly skew the game in their favor, then you end up with a much larger player base from which to draw sales on new DLCs. And the hope is that with that a larger player base will warrant a nice and fat bottom line for Microsoft, and more dev time for AoE2 down the road.

for an RTS like AoE2, lowering the skill ceiling is really not healthy, because then you get situations where you are unable to comeback or hit something from your opponent when he's not looking. This game needs the high ceiling of APM to balance out your knowledge of macro, it's the little things that make RTS games so fun to play. The only issue I feel that AoE 2 currently has is the RNG variables of pathing, because you can literally just lose for it because of how broken it is.