Praying and working for repentance, revival, and reformation. Thank you for giving me a hope for a future instead of a hope for destruction.
@johnredacted5141 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing! Another “banger” from Doug. Praise God and let’s baptize our babies in faith Hebrews 11:1
@chuckcribbs3398 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, let me know when they are born-again by making a decision to repent of their sins. When would a baby do that? How does an infant make a decision for Christ? How is that possible? We force Jesus on them by sprinkling them with water? Adult Baptism is submersion. Because we die the 2nd death representationally. Why don’t we submerge babies? Are they dying the 2nd death? No. So you want the US to repent but you don’t even have the doctrine right. Good job.
@pborkstrom Жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up Baptist, the points you made regarding “default doubt” regarding children resonates. 2 Peter 1 ostensibly addresses adults. Traditionally, I’ve applied that same approach to children. I may have had it wrong all this time. Thanks pastor Doug. God bless
@bh613 Жыл бұрын
Rejoice in Christ Jesus always! Let your gentle spirit be known by all. Christ is absolutely in control at all times. Through prayer and petition in thanksgiving
@farmerpete0768 Жыл бұрын
Great word Pastor Doug. I was inadvertently taught to doubt my faith. Now I can focus on encouraging belief with my kids. “Standing” on the promises rather being “Skeptical” of them
@jawshh559 Жыл бұрын
What you spoke about concerning parents who caused their children to doubt because of certain actions or perceptions hit right on the head for me. As a former child who grew up under such circumstances, it really did lift a tangible burden from my shoulders that I still carry around into my adult life.
@stevenboyd593 Жыл бұрын
To bring clarity to these issues is no small blessing to many a believer. My exposure to the body at large, is that is the Church has shown a very limited understanding to really key issues in the Gospel. Very much appreciate these videos and your efforts to make them available to the broad population
@banemaler Жыл бұрын
It's like some have learned anything from these hyper politicized 6 years. This will be an age of principle whether we like it or not. This is the time to say explicitly what you mean because your opponents will take your position there or a mile past where you wanted to go.
@jamesgasaway7784 Жыл бұрын
PostMil Reformed Baptist here, agreeing with every word of this.
@davidwever6451 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@kentyoung5282 Жыл бұрын
He defended paedo-baptism, so perhaps not EVERY word, right? I'm also a paedo-communionist, credo-baptist, so it's nice to come across others from time to time.
@sovereigngrace9723 Жыл бұрын
@@kentyoung5282how does this work?
@indiasierra-vk4by Жыл бұрын
This is spot on..spot on. Keep up the good service pastor Doug
@stevenwelp7165 Жыл бұрын
"...lasting reformation has to come from the heart."
@podunkbetty Жыл бұрын
That was one of the clearest essay/videos I’ve heard Doug speak. It was evenly paced and lacking the usual erudite snark. Wonderful! Keep it up Mr. Wilson.
@betty8173 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, thank you!
@reza_shak Жыл бұрын
I believe the point about baptism is the core issue. Not distinguishing between visible and invisible, thinking too much in terms of regeneration desipite our inability to read the heart.
@davidcrutchfield138 Жыл бұрын
The best point is the point of grace. Loved the truth, we are to come into the kingdom like a child, not an adult.
@Hada74 Жыл бұрын
but Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:14 ESV
@GracetoThee Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t get much better than this. Charitable, mature, accurate Christian debate to get us all closer to the white hot center of God’s revealed truth. Love you much Pastor.
@givemeknowlege Жыл бұрын
I’m Baptist and I’m struggling with the issue about how critical Baptist are when considering a child for baptism. It seems simple enough to me that a mere confession of a child is what is required and anything added to such is a higher standard than God’s.
@asahelnettleton9044 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. It's been my experience that most Baptists these days are completely uncritical regarding baptism of children, and have been for decades, hence an ocean of false converts in Baptist churches.
@joechambers7816 Жыл бұрын
Most Baptists do not believe baptism “saves” anyone, or is even prerequisite. But Rather baptism is the formal entrance into the ecclesia Lots of scriptural occurrence of justification through faith alone. (As in the case of Abraham ). I agree that oftentimes children may affirm the faith, be baptized and be lost. However it is not limited to any denomination as it is a matter of the heart. I believe God will have grace upon a false confessor and give them a clear moment of understanding that they need real conversion.
@reza_shak Жыл бұрын
Yep. See Acts Chapter 2. 3000 baptised in one day and THEN they committed themselves to the teachings of the apostles and the breaking of bread.
@ds29912 Жыл бұрын
@@asahelnettleton9044the entirety of the western church both credo and pedo, are experiencing an "ocean of false. Converts", for quite a few generations now. And this is the real issue.
@givemeknowlege Жыл бұрын
@@asahelnettleton9044 that doesn’t seem to happen in the reformed Baptist circles. I know what you mean though. The kind you’re speaking of would baptize a cat if it let them.
@dubyag4124 Жыл бұрын
As a life long credo, this was very very helpful. And also gave great context to why G3 is acting loony.
@somedad7000 Жыл бұрын
The baptism hesitance is, at least from what I've seen, an overreaction to decades of "prayed a prayer at Bible camp one time" salvation teaching. We need to make some progress in differentiating a child following their parent's faith from a child being manipulated to go through the mechanics of praying a prayer. Thanks for taking some time to help us sort things out
@kirkmcmillan1974 Жыл бұрын
11:57 🔥🔥🔥 A good word starts here.
@quickattackfilms7923 Жыл бұрын
I’m pre mil. But we don’t know when Jesus is coming so we ought to do what we can to serve while we wait for him. If we can make a nation which worships God truly… Why would we say no?
@Imputationist Жыл бұрын
13:33 - Love this. Totally agree.
@stevenwelp7165 Жыл бұрын
The BB was great.
@YSLRD Жыл бұрын
Excellent job of trying to be reasonable and avoid grumpiness. Gotta admit I like the grumpiness.
@Steve-rp7lf Жыл бұрын
I'm a 15 minute mill... meaning I have to rely on Jesus all the time, taking it one 15 minute block at a time. Fifteen minutes is arbitrary, but I hope you get my point.
@mstorm4800 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@ltrey33 Жыл бұрын
If those verses Doug cited aren’t pushed until after the Lord’s return, and we are somehow responsible for their “fulfillment,” let me ask what truly separates Doug’s desire for a new Christendom from 20th century Protestant Liberal desires to inaugurate the “kingdom” through social progress? I would argue that they are two sides of the same coin, and while Doug’s nationalism might be slightly more Christ centered, they both lead to the same place: Pelagianism. The Protestant Liberals were Pelagians who said all people are basically good and we are making “progress” as humans, thereby ignoring sin and the need for repentance. Historically speaking, Christian Nationalism (like the kingdoms of Europe) has always led to the same place: Pelagians who don’t think they need to “repent and believe” because they are “insert Christian nation here” by birth. This is exactly what has happened in America where everyone thought American = Christian for about a century, and it resulted in a soft, patriotic Gospel that led us into ruin.
@manager0175 Жыл бұрын
Let Duggie fight it out with the Baptists. Leave the rest of us alone. We know the extensive, bloody, violent history of Christian theonomy. And we, believers and non-believers alike say "BEEN THERE! DONE THAT! NO THANK YOU!"
@JRRodriguez-nu7po4 ай бұрын
Making disciples OF or FROM all nations. Which of those 2 words you believe the Greek supports is the question. I wish Doug Wilson were correct. I continue to work to prove my opinion of what will happen wrong. As a physician, hoping to be wrong, and knowing I am not, is a common frame of mind. The woman not covering her head in Church is the fever that tells me the disease continues advancing. Even Wilson isn't patriarchal enough to reverse the rot. Genesis 3 keeps repeating.
@Spurgeon_General Жыл бұрын
Credobaptists do not believe anyone should formally and publicly acknowledge Christ’s Lordship until after they believe it - Scott Aniol Say to God, “How awesome are Your works! Because of the greatness of Your power Your enemies will give feigned obedience to You. - Psalm 66:3 I’m a reformed, Baptist (postmillennial) and I do not agree with Aniol. Christ’s reign will have even unbelievers giving feigned obedience to him. Because the gates of hell cannot stop the forward progress of the church accomplishing the Great Commission.
@recalltolife3478 Жыл бұрын
I do not understand your remarks. Are you drawing a connection between feigned obedience by the ungodly with the accomplishment of the Great Commision?
@Spurgeon_General Жыл бұрын
@@recalltolife3478 Yes. Even when a nation is Christian, and large numbers are saved, and the cultures and institutions are God-honoring, there will still always be pretenders. It’s just strange to act like we couldn’t pray for, and work toward a Christian nation, because there would be some unbelievers within it, claiming Jesus is a Lord when they don’t mean it. It’s actually prophesied that that will happen. (Also see the tares among the wheat) It’s just not a tenable argument from Aniol. Should we also not have Christian households where Christ’s Lordship is proclaimed, for fear that some of the children don’t actually mean it, so therefore we shouldn’t all affirm it as a family?
@recalltolife3478 Жыл бұрын
@@Spurgeon_General What's not tenable is the idea that SOMEHOW the CN folks are going to get the majority of the ungodly people in this ungodly nation to go along with their program. Evangelism and personal witnessing don't seem to really interest Doug and the MC Brethren. What excites their imagination is the ruling and reigning part.
@UrsahSolar Жыл бұрын
I disagree with you on a lot of points here, but thank you for finally explaining what you meant by "establishing Christendom".
@nathanschreffler1415 Жыл бұрын
Perfect
@marshallalbritton9521 Жыл бұрын
Great thoughts.
@interestedmeow Жыл бұрын
Doug is very good at speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He can say all he does in this, and really mean it, while also tying himself steadfastly to the centre mast of CN/Theonomy/MC/5M: while we wait for people to be converted, it’d be really nice, maybe even necessary, for them to observe the whole Torah (except those parts about killing animals and burning bread) according to our interpretation of it. How do I know this? Because I listen to everything, or very nearly, that Doug has said or written that’s on the internet.
@robertlewis6915 Жыл бұрын
I don't listen to everything he's sad, but I've yet to catch him lying, and what you're asserting (that he wants the ceremonial law instituted (!) would not only require him to outright lie, it'd require him to be blatantly against a large part of what he, his friends, and the entire reformed tradition (barring some heretical nutjobs and, if we get a little generous with our definitions, Rome) have said. I think you're barking up the wrong tree
@josephbrandenburg4373 Жыл бұрын
What do those acronyms mean?
@philipmurray9796 Жыл бұрын
General equity theonomy.
@interestedmeow Жыл бұрын
@@josephbrandenburg4373 Christian Nationalism Mere Christendom 5 Mountains
@jackuber7358 Жыл бұрын
Pastor Doug, you are possibly the greatest living defender of the Christian faith in the English speaking world. When your clarion call goes out, the troops muster in the thousands. Nevertheless, your fixation with slapping around Baptists for, you know, being Baptists, is unbecoming, as are the strawmen you march out. I have been a member of a handful of Baptist congregations, and in each, when people seek to be baptized, the pastor interviewed them and, in some cases, asked them to write a short essay on baptism , to include why they believe they needed to be baptized. This interview is not so much to gate-keep but to get the perspective person wishing to be baptized to think about for what they have asked and to search their own heart to ensure that they are wholly convinced in their own hearts and minds before they submit to this critically important ritual. And, just so you understand, age is not a factor in these scenarios but rather the ability to effectively and concisely as possible articulate their baptismal confession. Additionally, many of these individuals have been children under the age of 12.
@philipmurray9796 Жыл бұрын
If the critique is not towards you, then you shouldn't take offense. If it is towards you, then charitably defend your position in good cheer.
@recalltolife3478 Жыл бұрын
@@philipmurray9796 But the critique is towards him because he is a Baptist. His remarks WERE charitable. Please don't take offense.
@jackuber7358 Жыл бұрын
@@philipmurray9796 I thought that I did charitably and with good cheer defend my position. Are you accusing me of sin. If so, please elucidate so that I may better understand and then correct my behavior.
@drathontaldraconis1311 Жыл бұрын
" if you click on all the links you may learn something". am I the only one who laughed at that?
@Tadneiko Жыл бұрын
No 😂
@heatherryan8301 Жыл бұрын
So how should paedo baptists handle a person who was never baptized and who wants to join their church? Wouldn’t there be some measure of looking for fruit before baptizing? From what Pastor Doug says here, no can do or that would sow doubt.
@mkshffr4936 Жыл бұрын
An understandable misunderstanding. Paedos also believe in credo just not credo only. That is to say an adult who had no prior history in the church (like virtually all believers in the NT) are baptized on a credible profession of faith. This is similar to OT converts to Judaism. I mean obviously we don't go around throwing water on random people. However the children of believing parents are given the sign of the covenant in a fashion similar to the application of circumcision in the OT.
@kaylar3197 Жыл бұрын
@Heather Ryan no, there’s no biblical basis for evaluating fruit before baptizing new converts. We should be watching for fruit to develop as the discipleship process progresses, but then, if there’s none, we have an issue of church discipline on our hands.
@heatherryan8301 Жыл бұрын
I was member of a PCA church for 20 years so I’m very familiar with the theology. I grant that some Baptists are overly suspicious. But my issue is that Doug critiques Baptists for evaluating professions of faith before baptizing, claiming this sows doubt, yet Presbyterians do the same thing - determine if it’s a credible profession of faith when dealing with an unbaptized convert.
@mkshffr4936 Жыл бұрын
@@heatherryan8301 Fair enough.
@wadem4955 Жыл бұрын
Citing the great commission is a necessary point as the most basic logic trail that a child gets we adults convolute with "what about this" resulting in questioning Christ's sinless walk. Take up your cross and follow me Luke 9:23 Means the same as the great commission teach all HE commanded. Jesus was sinless obeying all of the law as an example 1 Pet 2:21 to HIS disciples, not in their stead. HE could only command obedience to the law as "teach all HE commanded" otherwise HE will have sinned against Deu 4:2, and Deu 12:32. Christ is GOD. HE is the law giver who saves James 4:12. Grace is not the end it is the beginning that we out of love and reverence for what HE has done for us we bear fruit in keeping with repentance Matt 3:8 which is what Jesus began to preach Matt 4:17. Being conformed to HIS image Rom 8:29 we would cast the same shadow (silhouette) as HIS body Col 2:17 as we walk as HE walked 1 Jhn 2:6 Conformed to HIS image is... Imitating Christ just as Paul imitates Christ 1 Cor 11:1. Following HIS example 1 Pet 2:21, and walking as HE walked 1 Jhn 2:6 HIS Law is instructions for loving GOD, and loving others Matt 22:37-40. unchanged from the beginning 2 John 1:6 ESV - And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. May HE bless us all with eyes that see, ears that hear, and hearts that understand.
@shanpastaflocka Жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@tomhitchcock8195 Жыл бұрын
We teach self examination
@paulchamberlain4810 Жыл бұрын
As a Baptist, I thought we struggled with "a national profession of faith" because those who had one in the past would usually persecute, even martyr, us. That a Paedobaptist theonomist ignored this important element, and instead blames our theology, doesn't build confidence his desired future won't produce a repetition of our past.
@asahelnettleton9044 Жыл бұрын
You might find the most recent Crosspolitic episode insightful as that is directly addressed.
@Tadneiko Жыл бұрын
He actually addressed that in the first response video to scott
@paulchamberlain4810 Жыл бұрын
@@asahelnettleton9044 thanks, I'll take a listen.
@paulchamberlain4810 Жыл бұрын
@@Tadneiko thanks for your reply. I had listened to that one and commented on it. He did spend a minute or two on this topic. What I haven't seen from this camp are the following, (One) in biblical language, how bad was what was done to Baptist types or other Christians who disagreed with the state? Often this is glossed over, the victims are condemned, and the perpetrators are excused with "men of their time" like arguments. (Two) what were the errors in biblical interpretation and theology that caused it? (Three) how is their current biblical interpretation and theology significantly different? (Four) Why should we think the too common Calvinist/Paedobaptist distain for others, abuses of power, and shifts to the left wouldn't be magnified as they increase their power?
@interestedmeow Жыл бұрын
Paedos, in their heart of hearts, just really want a crack at being a better version of Rome. Which is why CN and Theonomy speak so loudly to them.
@robertlewis6915 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. This blog video's opening essentially encapsulates a lot of why I'm skeptical of tactical argument about this.
@CC-ii3ij Жыл бұрын
I don’t see any links
@kreendurron Жыл бұрын
Man this stuff is so good lol
@Taterstiltskin Жыл бұрын
with you until the end. baptists around these parts dunk 'em as early as they can hold their breath. at my last church, just 2 weeks after a sermon on believer's baptism (and why we don't baptize under age 12-13 or so, adjusting that on an individual basis depending on their understanding) they dunked several kids well under 10, I think one was 5 or 6 at most. later I saw it wasn't uncommon in the area among other churches, and I've heard of younger. some try to say it's more of a "christening" but they'll call it baptism in the same sentence. every parent thinks their kid(s) are a special circumstance that understand way more than other kids their age. every parent, every kid. and I say kid(s) because often I see several children in the same family (all under 12 or so) being baptized at the same time. what are the odds all these families have all their children come to the same understanding at the same time, but ok. *shrug* I think they more or less just recognize the word "baptize" for what it actually means: to immerse. I personally still lean strongly towards credo, and while I'm not fully convinced I'd like to think I'm open to the other side's arguments, but whichever is correct IMHO what the churches here are doing is shady at best, and it's not a good look to say one thing and do the other, making a special exception out of literally every child.
@Chief_Of_Sinners Жыл бұрын
You're not referring to Ronnie Floyd's mega SBC in Springdale, Arkansas, are you? If not, the charge still fits.
@joejohnson9499 Жыл бұрын
Yet again, I feel the need to step in and say that Mr. Wilson is incorrect in the idea that in the Holy Trinity v US, Supreme Court decision, declared that the US is a Christian nation. The mention of the US being a Christian nation was in multiple reference to its population composition. It was referenced to further support the court's decision that while Holy Trinity did violate the letter of the law, the intent (or spirit) of the law simply could not have conceivably meant to include ministers from outside the US. Justice Brewer, the author of the opinion, several years later, wrote that Christianity should never be regarded as the official national religion, nor should any citizen be in any way obligated by Christianity by any governing body.
@manager0175 Жыл бұрын
That is what reading for yourself does. Well done. He also commits the fallacy of non sequitur. Because SCOTUS says we are a Christian nation, doesn't follow that we ARE a Christian nation.
@Michael-hs6ii Жыл бұрын
Somone calls you Christian nationalist call them a Sangerite, and when they don't understand explain
@Deep-Travel Жыл бұрын
If I were to follow Scott Aniol to it’s logical conclusion we shouldn’t call or advocate for calling churches Christian just because not everyone who attend is a true believer.
@recalltolife3478 Жыл бұрын
Strawman. The church is not a nation.
@stevenwelp7165 Жыл бұрын
Two Minutes Ago!
@JLwing2010 Жыл бұрын
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, “THESE PEOPLE”?!?! 😮😡🥺😩🙄 😂😂😂
@craigchambers4183 Жыл бұрын
Premil here, and the Isaiah 11 quote by Paul in Romans 15 does not carry "in that day," but even if it did, it does not follow that Paul by the Holy Spirit means Jesus has arisen to rule in His resurrected Person (in His body) on this planet yet during the 'premil' millennium (or the 'postmil' one either. We agree that they shall come the root of Jesse bodily to rule, so that He has arisen (true), rules over the Gentiles (true) and in Him shall the Gentiles hope (true) all true in the 'premil' millennial. I acknowledge it can be understood in to fit in any 'mil' and I do not disparage your interpretation with any disrespect. The natural reading of "You kingdom come" is also the case, meaning you think it natural that it refers to just after the resurrection in Paul's day, or after 70 AD, not sure which; while I think it means the day is coming when Jesus will rule in Person on earth as He is in Person bodily in heaven at this moment. We do agree that He rules now, and to call the nations (the various Gentiles) to repent and believe the gospel, and the magistrate to repent and follow the law of God (what is morally pure, true, right).
@barkwahlmerg Жыл бұрын
i never have any idea what you're going to talk about from the title
@kentyoung5282 Жыл бұрын
I'm among the few who agrees with Doug on paedo-communion, but remains a committed credo-baptist. Baptism is the initial rite of discipleship. The Table of the Lord is where Jesus says to us, "This is my body, which is for you! Come, eat and drink!" It seems to me I would have been lying about my daughters if, in infancy, I referred to them as committed disciples of Jesus. However, I'd be lying TO my daughters if I told them, "Yes, this is Jesus' body, but no, it isn't for you."
@professionalhermit4592 Жыл бұрын
Interesting how the number of likes right now is at 666.
@professionalhermit4592 Жыл бұрын
Hmm... Tying the meaningfulness of the Gospel to post-millennialism??? Is that what you just did? Sorry, you lost me. Although, I was happy with everything else you said. Just being honest, it actually makes more sense to me with a pre-millennialism/futurist perspective. And I just don't see the biblical argument either. The post-millennial perspective to me is like evolution: add enough unimaginable amounts of time and even the most brilliant thinker will be deluded into thinking anything is possible. There is absolutely no way that the unimaginable amount of interdependent complexity in life forms could happen by accident, totally against physical entropy; and there is absolutely no way Christianity, or the Gospel, will reach AND convert all humanity at some point in time, totally against moral entropy. It never has and it never will. Someone has to put their hands on the scale, and it cannot be a hand with the slightest bit of corruption. Removing the tares from the wheat is not an action intended for human hands, especially when those hands are still tainted with fallen flesh. It's like asking the FBI to police itself. It might seem to work for a while but the greater probability is an overthrow by the corrupt elements. That concept is easy to defend with abundant historical examples, and none to the contrary. The premillennialist perspective envisions an eventual global PERSECUTION of Christianity with the Gospel reaching every Nation, and then the intervention of God himself, like in the time of Noah and Sodom. The good does not have the advantage in a fallen world. I find that absolutely more likely with no stretch of the imagination and no need of miracles; certainly more so than global conversion, which is what the post-millennialist view implies. I would also point out the post-millennialist view shares striking similarities to Communism and the impossible naive idealism of those who seek a technocracy, believing the social concepts in Star Trek could become reality and actually succeed.
@manager0175 Жыл бұрын
His interpretation of "propitiation" is completely in error, eisogesis, and heretical. "Propitiation" in the Bible (I John 2:2) is "setting aside God's wrath". And this is done (clearly from I John 2:2) for all mankind. It has nothing to do with the " fist of The father striking the Son so that you might be struck down with the Son..". That is heretical nonsense. Propitiation is an act of love, not an act of violence. It is looking like the growing list of witnesses to Wilson's church actually being a cult with Wilson as leader, is taking clearer understanding in reality.
@josephbrandenburg4373 Жыл бұрын
7:30 but I thought Doug was a Calvinist? lol sorry but I had to
@timzimlich1301 Жыл бұрын
3/4s of the Bible is about Gods dealing with a nation, as an example for us. And people will say God doesn’t tell us to attempt to shape our nations according to his will. Maybe these people lack 3/4s of a brain.
@theeternalsbeliever1779 Жыл бұрын
While i agree that the U.S. could benefit from obeying God's laws, the Bible clearly teaches that a Christian is supposed to mimic Christ's example. So unless you can show Christ actively trying to reshape Judea, Galilee, or the entire Roman empire according to God's will, your claim has no merit. Gaslighting ppl seems to be the only way a person can convince others to support such a dishonest and unbiblical worldview.
@recalltolife3478 Жыл бұрын
Oh, good one. How long did it take you to come up with that.
@oracleoftroy Жыл бұрын
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Is the God of the OT God or a different god? Surely if the OT is God, there's your answer, and if you deny it, you aren't Christian, so what stake do you have in this discussion except as a scoffer trying to disunify the body of Christ? All the law and the prophets are about how to love God and Neighbor, Christ himself said it. That ought to be more than good enough an answer to your skepticism. The OT law contains case law on how a people are to love at a civil level.
@timzimlich1301 Жыл бұрын
@@recalltolife3478 Well it took me actually taking the time to read my bible, so maybe people should take at least that long.
@chuckcribbs3398 Жыл бұрын
King Josiah’s reform didn’t last because God had already judged Israel for its worship of Molech and the thousands of babies they sacrificed. Josiah was a temporary reprieve. God has already judged the US. We can’t kill 40 million babies and think we can earn God’s grace back. Their blood cries out for justice. How do we compensate those babies back for what was done to them? Doug, you failed to read the Book of Revelation, you fail at understanding the connections between it and Genesis, and my guess is if you had met Noah, in a similar age that he also lived in, you wouldn’t have gotten in the Ark. You would have called him crazy. You would have perished in the flood. How many Jews recognized Jesus at His first coming? Why wasn’t He nationally recognized as the Messiah? They had the prophecies, they had the feasts and they had the Torah right in front of them. But they rejected Him. Why are we any better? Look around. You don’t think the events that are happening are aligning with Revelation? Seriously? Jesus said He’s coming back when the world is “just as in the days of Noah.” Doug, you have a Hellenistic view of the Bible and not a Jewish one. You ignore Revelation yet we are told we are blessed if we read it. You can’t see Revelation in Genesis and vice versa. King James did not write the Bible; Jews did. And neither did C. S. Lewis. The church is dead in every Western country because we allowed abortion to thrive, among other abominable sins, and it gets worse every day. Noah is crying out to get on the Ark. yet you still think somehow we can get 7 billion people to repent. Why? God has already given most of them over because they fail to believe the truth but instead believe lies. We can’t even get most normal churches to stop singing Hillsong and Bethel music, the two churches that have created a music industry instead of a music ministry. The entire church in the US is apostate. Except for the remnant that’s getting on the Ark, preparing to be raptured. Just as in the days of Noah.
@stephenglasse2743 Жыл бұрын
You can't compare Israel in Josiah's day with the USA or the church since Israel was under the law of Moses which explicitly warned of judgement for failure whereas we are now in the dispensation of the grace of God (ephesians 3:1-10). All those individuals who support and promote abortion can be forgiven if they repent and turn to christ and if they don't they will be condemned as individuals. God would have had mercy on sodom if only ten righteous were found YET there is far more than ten righteous in NY city! The Jews who rejected Jesus WERE worse because they saw his miracles and Jesus said if Sodom had seen such it would have repented so people today have less of an advantage than the ancient Jews who rejected christ. The church isn't dead in every country as there are millions of genuine bible believing christians across Europe and USA and China and Africa
@interestedmeow Жыл бұрын
Once again, Doug uses an, albeit sneakily, flawed interpretation of the GC, and then reads that into the OT through the NT quotations of it. He lacks any sort of understanding of the ancient Israelite worldview and handles the Word, at least in this matter, like a heathen.
@TheKingdomWorks Жыл бұрын
Can you point out the flaw please? Thank you. If it is sneaky, you should point it out
@interestedmeow Жыл бұрын
The sneakiness is this: Doug claims that Christ is instructing us to disciple nation-states. Not make individual disciples in all the tribes/nations/tongues, which is the understanding the 12 would have had (especially given they hadn’t experienced Pentecost or even met a Gentile believer yet) at the moment they heard it, for that was what Christ had been doing all along, namely making individual disciples. The simplest way to expose his sneaky flaw here is to inquiry how exactly Doug determines to baptize a nation in any way that would make sense to the 12 on that day. Jesus isn’t speaking about nation-states in regards to discipleship, then individuals in regards to baptism, and then nation-states once again in regards to obedience to his commandments. Yet Doug exposits that passage just so.
@tinamariejohnson7520 Жыл бұрын
@@interestedmeow You know, that’s exactly how I thought I heard it as well! I sincerely think this is where a lot of the confusion is coming from. I see statements being draw up and signed off on, but I’m simply not hearing a clear exegetical explanation. I think there needs first be some meeting, then some forum’s with q&a etc. For now it all sounds like very good, very biblical IDEA, but not some much realistic IDEA. I agree with all the proponents of the great commission and Christian duties. However, I struggle to compartmentalize and find the true dividing line of the two Reformed camps; surrounding Christian Nationalism, other than “we all agree” but how is this suppose to play out. I hear the CN’s stating what they believe, but none are saying how to make this a reality.
@stegokitty Жыл бұрын
To say that Doug is being sneaky is pretty much one form of breaking the 9th commandment. He's saying what he believes to be true, and you can't deny that Jesus said "baptize the nations" and not merely "baptize disciples". There certainly appears to be something different going on there. I admittedly don't understand exactly what is meant by the phrase and I don't understand what Doug is meaning by it either. But from years of reading and listening to Doug, there's simply nothing to gain by being "sneaky". He's very up front in what he believes and says it without hesitation. The problem is there are people like me, who doesn't always understand what it is he's saying. But there's a difference between being ignorant of something and then blaming another person of dishonesty/sneakiness when I don't understand what they're saying. I'm thinking you're either not very familiar with DW or you think that if you don't understand something, then it isn't so. I did find this article from a former Credenda Agenda writer, Peter Leitart, who wrote on this very subject ... although again, there wasn't much of a layperson explanation therein. Perhaps you'll find it helpful. I wrote to Peter to ask if he could recommend a book or simply to break it down for dummies like me, so I can at least understand what's being said about this mysterious thing that Jesus said.: theopolisinstitute.com/leithart_post/baptizing-nations/
@interestedmeow Жыл бұрын
@@stegokitty ‘sneakily’ is meant in the sense that it is a tricky, subtle and nuanced flaw in the interpretation. That Doug means it when he says it, I have no doubt. That he is counting on most Christian’s not even batting an eye when such a basic and well known passage is mishandled like this, is quite certain. He also does this quite frequently when employing the ‘either/or’ fallacy in his discussions of ‘by what standard’. The fact remains that he is reading a very specific, and wrong (of that there is no doubt. It is absolutely wrong.) interpretation into that passage but isn’t explaining that he’s doing it. He says ‘Jesus says to Christianize nation-states’ while pointing to a a single element of the GC; while also, pointedly (and I will use that word firmly as it’s odd he doesn’t) NOT explaining how that is internally or externally consistent with the passage. When someone as intelligent and well versed in rhetoric as Doug is, makes a ‘mistake’ that is this elementary and basic, the only option is that he’s doing it on purpose.
@mjack3521 Жыл бұрын
Theonomy and Covenant Theology is not Christianity. It's religion.
@tinamariejohnson7520 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Can you elaborate on these more, please.
@stegokitty Жыл бұрын
Christianity is a religion. It's what one is to believe and what one is to do. It just happens to be the only true religion. And to make a statement like this, "Theonomy and Covenant Theology is not Christianity. It's religion." is actually a blazing sign that you haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.
@manager0175 Жыл бұрын
Covenants are one way God has revealed Himself. There are many other ways God has revealed himself: The person of Christ, the scriptures, creation, and the kind acts of believers. Their focus on covenants is nothing more than an obsession. They use it as a tool for sexism, and abuse. Calvinists have done this through out their history, all over the world.