Don't just look at the percent gained over time, look at how many miles you can drive over a given time when charging. If you take into account the efficiency of the vehicle, you will understand the Hyundai/Kia 800V architecture currently doesn't have an advantage over the Tesla 400V architecture. As Hyundai/Kia make their future EVs more efficient, then we will see more range added in less time. When you just compare how fast you charge a battery from 10%-80% in a short time, if the battery is small that time can be very fast, look at range added, not percentage.

you will when it catches on fire or have to replace 15,000 dollar battery lol

@@S2kDude36 granted on the Tesla point. The battery is not small compared to vehicles in its segment. But yes, it does regain about 200 miles in that 18 minutes. But even when compared to something like the Lucid that has a huge battery, charge/miles is not much different in a long trip. But if you compare this to something like the Bolt, the Kona or similar CUV’s, long trips take way less time due to the charge speed. A Model Y and this would most likely be similar. Tesla has a great advantage in efficiency and technology. Their software is top notch, where legacy auto has a ways to go to catch up.

@@billybobbob3003 if it catches fire, which is less likely in an EV, just make more headlines it has insurance. If the battery goes, it will probably be way higher than $15k, but has a warranty for 8yrs/100k miles. It even there, the batteries in most EV’e have shown to last way longer without issue. Are there exceptions, sure, but less likely than you may think. For everyone that has to harp on the batteries, thing about Hybrids like the Prius. That vehicle has been around a long time and I certainly did not see every Prius burn to the ground or require a new battery every few years. There are still plenty of early gen Prii/Priuses on the road today. And if the vehicle ultimately has an issue, I would trade it in or sell it and get a new/used one. Ultimately I would rather have an F-150 Lightning or other EV pickup. With that being said, after living with an EV, doubt I will ever go back to gas or diesel unless I have to. Prior to the EV6, I was driving an F350 Platinum diesel. Vehicles are apples and oranges, but I have made the change work. And in the 6 months of ownership, I have saved over $6k in fuel for the amount of driving I do. Could I have saved with a smaller gas vehicle, sure, but not as much and I would have higher maintenance costs. Ultimately I will have the EV6 which is an early generation EV for just so long before getting a newer/better generation. Can’t wait to see what is available in 4-5 years which is most likely when I will be in the market to upgrade. In that time, if it needs a new battery, it will most likely still be in warranty, and if it burns, I have insurance.

@@billybobbob3003 Just saw a crash yesterday, 4 car accident where cars hit each other in the rear, one car was an EV, but it was one of the gas cars that caught fire, I'd try to tell you that an EV is far safer but people that post these responses will never understand facts.

Is yours a large pack? If so it’ll take right at 19kW for all but the top 5% of the battery so thats ~ 30miles an hour. We have a small fleet but they are std range and max out about 34amps

I have been telling people this for years. It takes less time to charge than to use gas. At least in your everyday driving. I now get annoyed when I have to fill my ICE car

I mean, a Lighting is $15,000-$30,000 more expensive than a regular F150. For that money, I can pay a mobile service to fuel my truck for the entire life of the truck, which wastes ZERO time, and I'd still have thousands left over to afford the gas itself.

@@AkioWasRight I have ten lightning pros that we paid $47k for. Thats nowhere near 15-30k more per truck

@@mattbrew11 Well, that's you. 2023 Lightings are nearly $54,000 for the standard range, or over $80,000 for the extended range. If I'm looking to buy the cheapest fleet possible, Lightnings are more or less $15,000-$30,000 more expensive per truck, at least in the real-world.

You can do that at every evgo and electrify America charger I’ve been too, also you don’t need a card or app if you plug in at home

Swipe a card? Lmao I haven’t used a card to pay for anything in 3 years. Phone payment is way more secure.

@@mattbrew11 Not the point, but you do you.

@@JonathanLong Agreed. I would charge at home as much as possible.

Hundred percent agree having to have multiple apps and accounts just to charge and all these various charging networks. It’s just going to be annoying. If you want make it cheaper if you have an account but make it so I can just use a card at the station.

It will be interesting how this video ages over the next 5 years as batteries improve and fast charging speeds hopefully increase.

the 2023 Qilin battery pack from CATL will supposedly have 40% higher energy density, and accept up to 4C (280kW in a 70kWh battery) charging

@Defective Degenerate Thats right... basically all batteries work best from 15 to 85 percent capacity ... in fact, overcharging is the number one cause of fires in small rechargeable devices

@@toyyoda3710 That is an excellent point, not to mention prolonging battery life by restricting charge level to 85% (like Samsung phones can) and also charging the battery slowly. Fast charging the car battery all the time is the height of stupidity.

A nuclear fusion reactor inside your car would give you unlimited range for 30+ years now that would be the future

The longer range offers 303 miles per charge. If you're charging with 60% of the pack, that's 181.8 miles, or a little over 2 hours of driving at typical highway speeds. If you need bathroom breaks and are looking to eat every 2 hours or so, you have health and lifestyle issues.

@@AkioWasRight You also have health problems if you're sitting for long periods of time. You should be getting up every 30-60 minutes.

@@67GreenBay Not at all. Extended periods of sitting for periodic road trips won't create long-term health issues. But needing to use the bathroom every 2 hours absolutely is a health issue.

@@AkioWasRight WRONG! 100+ flights per year plus extensive driving, gave me blood clots in my legs, they went to my lungs and heart, caused Afib, and for the last 7 years I've been unable to do anything. I'd drive/fly for hours and never take a break and that is very bad for you.

@@mikewurlitzer5217 No, it's not. Blood clots themselves are not necessarily a long-term heath issue, nor is it necessary to stop every 2 hours. For a healthy person, bloods clot are avoidable and totally manageable. People drive, fly, or sit at desks regularly, for hours, everyday, without issues. Again, if you need a break every 2 hours, you have other health issues. In most cases, sitting for long periods is not the only factor in blood clots. People are now tying to tie far away healthy issues to driving gas car now. I mean, seriously...

you just precondition the battery. My Ioniq 5 preheats the battery, and it's lightning quick even when cold outside.

I leased a Bolt to get a taste of it and figured if something got crazy advanced in that 3 year lease then I can get out of it and into something new. That turned into ordering a Lightning; so I guess we'll see if I end up regretting that idea. lol

The dust may not settle for some time.

Movie "Back to the Future" .

I mean its not really needed.. if you are traveling a 15 min break isnt bad at all.. and you should pretty much never fast charge unless you are road tripping.

That is completely unnecessary. The vast vast majority of your charging happens at home or at your destination. All that time added up turns into tons of time saved

I'm looking forward to the day all cars can charge themselves

@@mattbrew11 Millions of people have no access to private home chargers, or chargers at their destinations. It is very necessary to them.

@@GeorgeGeo How do you take breaks??? With the large capacity pack, 60% is 181.8 miles, which is about 2.5 hours of driving per fast charge. Like I said in another comment, if you need a break that often, you have health issues.

The owners manual says not to do it frequently, Tesla's, using mostly DC fast charging versus slow AC charging shows little difference in battery degradation.

At least a decade or longer... Car batteries are not even close to what we have in our phones and laptops ... In fact they are quite different even in the make up of the battery ... for example the car battery is only about 4 percent Lithium and over 50 percent graphite

@@toyyoda3710 That's what manufacturers typically offer 8 to 10 years and 100,000 miles but there are bolt EV's (and maybe others) which are over 200,000 miles and I would bet they use mostly home or level 1 charging with the occasional fast charge to maximize longevity. I don't know the cost of the Ioniq5 EV battery but for the size it won't be less than $10k at least

New technology always has its growing pains. Once more and more people own EVs this will change. It takes time though. This is the future tho. Even big oil companies are switching their investments to EV's and solar. They know it is coming.

Many people, if not most, who live in urban areas have no access to private chargers. Think of people who street park. Where will they charge besides publicly accessible chargers? There are millions of people who will depend on it. A public charging network isn't just important, it's far more important than people think.

@Defective Degenerate It's not a lie, you just don't think hard enough to realize not everyone has the same living situation as you. Just because someone might have access to home electricity doesn't mean their cars will. Many people live in apartments, or they have street parking. Even in cases of personal homes, not everyone has a garage or driveway to park in. This applies to millions of people across the country. Stop being so small-minded. Also, I don't think you know how KZfaq works, which is why your comment got deleted, lol.

The IRA money for charging infrastructure does not go to any proprietary chargers. This will change them. No way they will spend a bunch of money to move to 800v when the days are numbered for their proprietary chargers.

Your home rate is your home charge cost. It's not that hard. Multiply your car battery capacity into the rate per unit and you will have your answer

The best way to check would be to look at the rates on your utility since they vary; however, the U.S. average is around 17 cents per kwh at the moment. Also, many places charge less for off peak so if you set your car to charge overnight when grid utilization is low, you might save a few cents per kwh. To determine the charge cost, multiply the pack size by the cost per kwh so an 80kwh useable battery would cost about $13.60 to charge (maybe a little more with energy loss). However, that would be a full tank fill. If you're driving 50 miles a day, you would be using less than 20kwh (depending on the car efficiency) since you're not emptying the tank so that would cost around $3 a day.

When the majority of people are reliant on Electric Vehicles, the cost of electricity will skyrocket. People that think it will stay this price are hilarious.

@@pryme2013 nobody thinks it would be the same. Price rise and inflation are inevitable. Nice strawman argument though

@@pryme2013 It could go down if all electricity is generated with solar and wind. Plus new car batteries will have vehicle to grid capacity. You could make money off your car while it sits in your driveway possibly lowering the cost. You could always buy solar panels for your home as well if they decide to raise the prices of electricity. The point is it gives you options. Even oil companies are switching their investments to EV's and solar. They know it is coming.

We’ve installed 7 stations that are 350kW since end of September. Probably be exclusively 350kW by Q2 23. For the record over that same period weve installed 11 stations ranging from 50kW to 150kW. My core business is solar. There are quite a few DC charger only businesses popping up doing more volume but a couple of them really screwed EA over

@@mattbrew11 That’s great, I wish the rest of the industry would get on the band wagon. I stopped at a Francis station on I-40 west of Oklahoma City yesterday. 3 of the 4 800 volt-capable units were down. The remaining one would only output 50 kw. The 2 flo units could not charge my Ioniq 5 at all since they don’t work with 800 volt cars like the Ioniq 5 and EV6, etc. This is what users are faced with across the country, not to mention there aren’t any charging locations on US or State highways, only along Interstates.

@@glenngore6609 you can send specific location requests to EA through their site and also talk to walmart store managers

@@mattbrew11 Good to know, but their policy is pretty evident since all 4 of their EA Oklahoma locations are along I-35 and I-40. Other types of highways are being left to other providers but no one is doing anything yet. There are plenty of Walmarts between I-25 and I-35 and I-40 and I-70 but there is not a single DCFC location anywhere in that part of the world by EA or anyone. Just one DCFC in Guymon, OK by Francis, but it has been down for months. There are no Tesla Superchargers in this part of the country either.

Come to Murphy TX. We have 4 EVGO chargers. 2x150 and 2x350

Yes it does slow down the charge a bit though as your using energy. Electric cars have almost instant heat as well in the winter as you do not need to wait until the engine heats up. I love my EV in the winter, even though it loses range in the cold. It is still way better than a gas car. I just plug in every night at home and heat up the car while it is still plugged in the morning so it is ready to go when I get in.

apparently many do BUT quite a few manufacturers, Tesla included, i believe, advise AGAINST staying in the car as it charges due to the risk of fire when charging.

@@thevrhouse which is fine in America where everyone has somewhere to park/garage (or so it seems) but USELESS if you have to park in a street, half a mile from your 10th floor flat in a city centre!

My Mach E charges at 5 miles per minute and my model 3 is about 7 miles per minute on D/C fast chargers. I think this ionic 5 should do about 8 miles per minute

It averages about 10mi/min from 0-80%.

as far as i remember 2021 M3/MY charge slower as tesla has modified their battery chemistry (decreased cobalt, added manganese) and suppliers

@@uludak8468 Chemistry is always changing, my 2019 charges as fast if not faster though, you also need to look at the miles added per minute though, the Tesla uses less Wh/mi and has a bigger battery so just saying one EV charges faster from 20% - 80% doesn't tell the whole story.

just get gas, why waste money on a EV - time is money

@@atlasstjames5904 saving money and time is one of the reasons an EV works in california. It costs about 7 cents a mile to drive an EV versus about 20 cents a mile for a similar ICE vehicle. I get to drive in a carpool lane saving me time on my 110 mile commute. I also save time charging at home instead of filling up at a gas station twice a week. And best of all, I’ve never had to have it serviced in 34,000 miles

A gas car is even better for road tripping. My ice car goes from 0-700 miles range in maybe 3 minutes

And for all commuting needs no gas station visits. No oil changes to mess with. Smooth, responsive, quiet power. Even on low end models the drivetrain feels like high end luxury car drivetrains.

Do the math with your local utility rates and it gets even better most likely. Ours is 16 cents during the day and only 5 at night.

Before the expiration of the $7,500 credit, we picked up the Kia EV6 AWD Wind for $43,000 MSRP less $7,500 and it ends up being $36,000 - THIS is pretty incredible. Obviously, you'll have a hard time getting the EV6 but it shows you how much more affordable EVs have become now that competition from Korea are arriving.

@@stopthefomo Tax credits aren't free money, and not everyone qualifies for them. Also, Kia just raised the base price of the EV6 from ~$43,000 to nearly $50,000. In fact, they aren't becoming more affordable, they're more become way more expensive.

EV’s make a lot of sense in California where gas prices are usually above $5.00 . We have a Mach E and a model 3 in our household, but we still use our Ford Explorer for road tripping, because ICE vehicle are just more convenient on long trips

nissan leaf is a slow charger and their batteries didn't hold up well. now what?

@@uludak8468 The Nissan Leaf uses inferior air cooling instead of the more effective liquid cooling. Now what?

@@rkgsd why question then?

The car might let you do that. My Tesla has that as a feature.

@@jonmargerum-leys5634 they do when AC charging. Not when DC charging (supercharging)

@Defective Degenerate yes, but multiple charges over a couple of years, it takes a wear. Think about phone batteries and multiply the concept times 100x. Unless we find another source or get better results for charging, ev cars will not survive

thats just wrong, actually. you can't overcharge a battery, the BMS knows what to do.

@@TheMeanestGuy phone batteries are way different than car EV batteries

@Defective Degenerate I won’t spend 10k in gas in 5 years. For me the total cost of ownership for thy car os way out of whack. I can buy brand new Corolla xse and spend half of what inwouod spend on that car. Sorry this isn’t for me