Simply shocking how the PO have behaved, what's happened to this country, riddled with corruption, and gross injustice. Mr Bates and co deserve millions and a public apology.
@nickdoughty5187 ай бұрын
It starts at the top with sanctioned corruption in government.
@mick9477 ай бұрын
Can you imagine the injustices that have gone unnoticed in years gone by, without someone with Mr Bates tenacity to fight for justice. Everything I was taught about our country when I was young is a sham..but every now and then someone like Mr Bates gives us all hope.
@jeffsuter3447 ай бұрын
Don't forget the Tories sold off the PO at a bargain basement price to their friends and cronies. The reason they are deliberately holding back restorative justice is because it tarnishes their ideology. Apaar from giving back the PO stole from the post masters is that all but 90 convictions are still in force leaving these innocent people with a current criminal record. They should all be pardoned immediately.
@susanmcdermott2057 ай бұрын
Well done Mr Bates ! You are a hero. I hope all of you get the justice you deserve! Thinking of all those poor people who have died, R.I.P. x
@andrewgardner76057 ай бұрын
An inspirational person. Shows how one person can really make difference.
@colinmelling63697 ай бұрын
Just shows what horrible people are in positions of power in this country. And they get away with their wrong doings and even rewarded. What a system.
@christinemoore81717 ай бұрын
Also those beurocrats who were informing each of them that they were the only ones it was happening to ? Bareface lying? How do they sleep at night?
@jeffsuter3447 ай бұрын
Now look at those running Royal Mail and the train operating companies. The execs at P & O Ferries. The water companies.
@SimonandJojo7 ай бұрын
My late friend passed away aged 95 in 2022, she was a very wise lady, and full of good sound common sense and advice, she once said to me "darling, the world is as beautiful as ever, it is society that is so awful, all the good, kind people get s**t on". None of us can ever imagine what the lady and gentlemen post office masters/mistress's went through. Many of them going that extra mile to help their customers and this is how they get rewarded.
@simoping7 ай бұрын
Speechless... the human cost.. and the corruption is beyond belief...
@devidwobinson87477 ай бұрын
Well done Mr Bates
@susanclark37787 ай бұрын
What a hard watch the series was but so glad it was shown to show and expose the post office of the complete miscarriage of justice to these postmasters and post-mistresses that suffered. Bravo Mr Bates what a hero you are. 💪
@junewalker48357 ай бұрын
Another question relating to this scandal is who backed the Postmaster's litigation? The court awarded the JSPM's case £58 million but they were told only £12 million would be left to share, between 550 litigants, after the backers got their percentage!! Who would take that much of a cut from these poor people? This whole criminal scandal by the so-called justice system is shameful.
@brymorian7 ай бұрын
A.nd they say law is there for everyone
@brootusx7 ай бұрын
Because that was the deal from the start. They did it to.make money, that was the point. They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. They took a massive risk, and so deserve the reward.
@deananthony10007 ай бұрын
They did take less money than they was entitled to. If it wasn’t for them, it wouldn’t of reached court in the first place. Their money was needed they risked losing. All of their own money.
@Mike202167 ай бұрын
Absolute hero of a guy
@johncooper80407 ай бұрын
The destruction of these peoples lives and prolonged cover-up by Post Office is utter wickedness. No justice whatsoever.
@spongebota.i.selfawarepant47807 ай бұрын
My first thought on the matter was when are the purpotrators going to be brought to justice. I've had to argue with the police over why they shouldn't arrest a homeless elderly woman for stealing a sandwich ffs. And these actual criminals are getting away with it?
@user-pb7yc5gx4w7 ай бұрын
There should be a petition to parliament to have the delay in making these payments in the House of Commons and asking why there have been no prosecutions against Post Office and Fujitsu executives
@worldcapers7 ай бұрын
To hear that even the central campaigner Alan Bates has not yet been fully compensated to date is shocking indeed! One can only assume that the PO are dragging their heels in paying their long long overdue compensation in order to minimise the sums paid out as more people die before receiving what is rightfully due to them. This whole debacle is simply disgusting! Hundreds of wrecked lives! Those responsible need holding to account right NOW!
@betacam2357 ай бұрын
It's the same 'actuarial' attitude as used by the insurance companies/cartel in accident injury cases. Spin it out as long as possible in the hope that people will die before they have to be paid out. This could be avoided if people like the Post Office were obliged to pay interest on late payment, and if people do die while waiting, their compensation should go to their estate, surely?
@Jezza_One7 ай бұрын
The problem is the Post Office is broke and the Government wont cover the cost.
@betacam2357 ай бұрын
'The Government' own the Post Office and are responsible for its mistakes. and will be obliged to cover the costs their lack of oversight have allowed to happen and drag on for so long. Also Fujitsu should pay!@@Jezza_One
@LeeJohn707 ай бұрын
The Post Office CEO who was responsible for the Horizon system should be behind Bars, let them see how innocent persons suffered.
@Jj-ng8hh7 ай бұрын
Post office management would not experience what it's like to be imprisoned and be innocent if they ever get inside a prison they will know why....but that will never happen...
@wjarnock447 ай бұрын
Notice - there's not a government fast lane for giving these people the money they are owed - money THEY ARE OWED !!!! as opposed to money for their mates.
@colinnewmarch11067 ай бұрын
A true Hero,
@jasonkingshott29717 ай бұрын
I have been listening to this incredible story ever since it first broke and remember thinking that there are obvious patterns to these events, which needed exploring instead of sending the Post Office gangsters and attack dogs out to these innocent people. Hat's off to and great respect to Mr Bates and all who were bullied.
@CatchthefirebarrieWorshipHim7 ай бұрын
We were able to watch all 4 episodes on ITV even here in Canada and as an expatriate I was horrified .
@user-wi4rf7hl5r7 ай бұрын
This man needs the nobel peace prize
@TheCaulfield17 ай бұрын
I think this man should get a knighthood, that's my opinion.
@paulsimpson32697 ай бұрын
He has enough integrity to refuse one
@mountainracer697 ай бұрын
He has already refused an OBE because of the continued suffering of the victims of this scandal.
@gavsmith19807 ай бұрын
Knighthood? They gave one to the post office CEO mid scandal! Alan has the integrity to refuse such an empty gesture.
@gavsmith19807 ай бұрын
A very humble and decent person, as I’m sure pretty much all the post master group are, disgraceful to hear there are still some who haven’t got their money back, that wouldn’t even be enough, they’re owed a lot of compensation too, you stole their money, you stole their good reputation in their communities, you gave them criminal records, you stole their futures, giving them back 10x as much as you stole from them wouldn’t be enough, I salute them all for their bravery and dedication in getting this far, and wish them the best of luck for their future battles, the British public is behind you.
@DavidRedfearn7 ай бұрын
I salute you Alan Bates
@lGC5977 ай бұрын
Allen Bates is an absolute legend! Like Lorraine says we need more people like him. I hope all the victims receive all the payments and compensation they deserve as quickly as possible and Mr Bates gets that villain's CBE.
@janhorn67917 ай бұрын
WHY SHOULD THE LAWYER FEE FOR THEIR DEFENCE COME OUT OF THEIR COST ,SURLY THE GUILTY PARTY SHOULD PALL COURT COSTS OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING. Jan Horn
@marypettyfer46407 ай бұрын
I thought exactly the same
@GrahamRead1017 ай бұрын
Shocking miscarriage of justice, and behaviour of the post office. Thank goodness for a free press and at least a system that does allow for an independent justice system.
@matherrjm7 ай бұрын
I noticed that Alan Bates asked people like me (not from the victim group) to write to their MP. I did that this morning (even though I'm in Thailand) and I encourage others to do the same.
@chrishill67157 ай бұрын
They should all be paid full compensation and the ones that have died there next of kin should get the money.
@lebosisings7 ай бұрын
These poor people have been gaslighted and coerced by their employers! I do hope they all get their compensation soon, the ‘post office’ were quick enough to demand payments from their employees!!
@dsmith44187 ай бұрын
What a lovely man Good luck, hope you get everything you deserve
@barneypaws48837 ай бұрын
That statement by the Post Office was laughable and I feel sorry for Loraine for reading it out
@andyb27067 ай бұрын
I loved how Lorraine apologised for having to read the statement out.
@therealuglytruth92887 ай бұрын
Time for the UK people to take matters into their own hands if the authorities do not bring the PO management responsible for this to justice.
@martinstone36567 ай бұрын
To think the PO will sit it out while people die so they can have less money to pay back is disgusting, of the 60 or 70 people who have suffered and passed over the compensation they would of had if they were still with us should be paid to family members who also suffered, the PO should pay every penny back to these people and then be made to pay all legal expenses to, at the end of the day they are the thieves from day one
@Escapetheratrace-ji6rx7 ай бұрын
Absolutley as the injustice affected their families too
@devidwobinson87477 ай бұрын
I want the post office to pay for this
@tomjones87157 ай бұрын
And who owns the post office
@markkelly90957 ай бұрын
@@tomjones8715you can have senior post office staff to be held to account, support local SPMr office who are just much victims in this
@lotuselise44327 ай бұрын
@@tomjones8715 - The Taxpayer to be honest.
@kevinwoolass59467 ай бұрын
I want the individuals to be held accountable.
@tomjones87157 ай бұрын
@@lotuselise4432 and that’s the point they miss
@kirkjones-nd7po7 ай бұрын
PAY what you owe these honest people SHAME ON THE POST OFFICE also the CEO of the PO should be struck off the honours list and prosecuted and she is a Priest ffs
@stefmaria46867 ай бұрын
The Post office have blood in their hands(money) what about robbing of every single second of those innocent people precious life.
@mariannewarner92527 ай бұрын
What's going to happen to that woman who was in charge of the Post office I know that she left but she should be charged in court and sent down for a long time I only hope it's not too late
@ronaldadams82187 ай бұрын
Somebody in the post office needs to be prosecuted when these poor people put into jail, they were proven to be innocent
@nickdoughty5187 ай бұрын
The latest example of corporate corruption. The church was one the most egregious examples.
@sueleitch63967 ай бұрын
Is there a go fund me for these wonderful people? They have been financially ruined too. The payout which hasn't happened isn't enough to cover their losses ,😢 The post office got money from these people which went to po profits !!!
@grabskygary7477 ай бұрын
Absolutely disgraceful treatment of people by the Post Office, they have lost my business. Pay out Now. whats wrong with Politicians start earning your salary sort it.
@stephenberklay40337 ай бұрын
send the bosses of the post office to jail for theft
@andyc20697 ай бұрын
Real justice is when senior personnel at that time in the Post Office are behind bars…..🤞
@manichairdo92657 ай бұрын
I don't have a tv but I'd read a little about this atrocity some time ago, and the subsequent devastation caused to innocent people and their families. The deceit, coverup, and dismissive behaviour by those who knew the score is utterly beyond comprehension. We need IMMEDIATE compensation for all including the families of ALL those who have died and may there be public posthumous exoneration. Also, criminal investigations are imperative. ACT NOW.
@Mike-qw6wt7 ай бұрын
Firstly I must say what a highly commendable job that Mr Bates & the other sub postmasters have done here, national heroes in their perseverance for justice!! But I have wondered if there has been a hidden agenda, by out Government, behind this, as justification for the ending of the Royal Mail? I wonder how many of the suffering Postmasters would want that, when in many instances they wanted to serve their communities? With many essential services to the elderly in those communities
@obtuse12917 ай бұрын
How can they possibly compensate those who took their own lives as a result of the intolerable pressure this case put upon them? How did the PO manage to "prove" their case in court against these people, as there was obviously no proof of the alleged offences, unless it was actually falsified by the PO or, those prosecuting and judging these cases were in fact not qualified to do so, a massive failure by not just the PO but the legal system and profession as well. 😢
@nataliescott22617 ай бұрын
Prime minster just seems to think throwing money in compensation solves everything. People ended , people lost homes, people went to jail, people lost friends and family. They need to bring those involved to justice, cbe need removing they know these people did nothing. What’s worse if a tv show didn’t bring this to public attention it would be going on quietly for next 20 year
@jeffmcadam90717 ай бұрын
Simply shocking the way these so called "victims" have behaved. If the CEO of a company was wrongly taking me to court, for a crime I never committed, and then hid these facts, I wouldn't be going back to court, I would be walking through the front door of their house.
@gavsmith19807 ай бұрын
….what?????
@jeffmcadam90717 ай бұрын
@@gavsmith1980 You heard me. People put too much faith in the Police and the Court system these days for a justice that will either never come, be seriously watered down, or delayed for so long that people don't live to see it. If you really want justice, you need to get it yourself
@apes4days2547 ай бұрын
@jeffmcadam9071 this method just makes it worse for the other victims though! Going through the judicial system at least aims to stop the systemic problem, not just one example. Prevention is better than cure.
@clifffowler25816 ай бұрын
In Australia a huge company called James Hardie had a class action lawsuit against them for a product that caused imminent death...... they knew they would have to pay but dragged it out through the courts for years until most of the complaintants had passed away...🤬
@pollenatrix7 ай бұрын
Gosh I hope we get a chance to watch this outside of the UK. I'm in Canada and would love to see it.
@anthonystratton99277 ай бұрын
this is not good enough especially in the 21 century the government must step now and justice must be done the consequences could be grave
@colinmacfarlane68387 ай бұрын
Amazing performance Mr Bates you should be knighted 😂
@soniastraight17497 ай бұрын
You certainly deserve justice now the world has seen this drama.
@samspade9757 ай бұрын
Lawyers making as much money as they can, so a prolonged case is in they’re best interest, simple as that .
@veesvoyages7 ай бұрын
What a legend! Well done for him getting justice for everyone who was effected! Absolutely shocking what happened. I hope he gets the justice they all deserve!
@nicholaspratt79347 ай бұрын
Post Office acted disgustingly! 😡😡
@attractingminds97227 ай бұрын
Why on earth is Nadhim Zahawi given a “special guest” appearance??? leaves a small stain on what an epic story of misjustice played by very skilful actors. Am I missing something ??
@christinejames56317 ай бұрын
What a truly honorable man, its obvious he is an honest person as he doesn't want the limelight even though he has held those desperate souls together. And by God they needed it. On another note this is the situation in many companies, they lie hide blame anyone but themselves, going through it myself at the minute obviously not as deep as this but still a lie by a bank
@Barry-tl3ru7 ай бұрын
The government should have sorted this out but they showed their contempt for the general public .just like their attitude with the covid vaccine mandates. Another con.
@lewismacdonald15167 ай бұрын
The judiciary is independent of the government, but like you said the judges etc have utter contempt for normal people and they have no business self regulating after this, plenty of blame toward the post office but they played their part, absolutely they did!
@johnharvey17867 ай бұрын
@@lewismacdonald1516The Government owns the Post Office. They do delegate the running of it to The Post Office ltd board but as owners the Government could have stepped in far earlier with a proper fully independent investigation but chose not to. If they had this would have meant the legal cases and the delay in proceedings would not have happened and the sub post masters would not have had to go through such an horrific ordeal. This refusal to investigate anything that might embarrass the Government is not just relevant to this issue but has become standard practice. Delay, delay, delay until they are no longer in power no matter the damage to others.
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT17 ай бұрын
It is a disgrace how these people were treated and would be an even further disgrace if contacts were continued to be awarded to those corrupt parties involved
@peterallam64947 ай бұрын
06 01 24, How can l get one of those 'Justice for Postmaster's ' T shirts ?
@unaphoto7197 ай бұрын
Well done Alan and all 👌
@shatterline287 ай бұрын
Can we assume the HMRC have the same computer system as I keep paying money and allegedly some large companies avoid large bills !!
@user-hh8tf4tb9q7 ай бұрын
Just shows governments and businesses can lie and drag out paying these innocent individuals/families compensation that they all deserve, over 20+ years and they are still waiting, national disgrace and with Government's 40+ years for the contaminated blood scandal.
@thomaspridmore1067 ай бұрын
Brilliant documentary
@Anonymous1-be7gs7 ай бұрын
The whole problem seems to be these private prosecutions which I had never heard of before these.
@tkshots7 ай бұрын
when are you going to ask them lorraine? when?
@brymorian7 ай бұрын
It was not a faulty system, the system was being used by criminals they should be rooted out and jailed
@PeterPete7 ай бұрын
Typical tactic of the establishment - kick the can down the road and just continue kicking the can down the road until nobody is following you!!
@kymyeoward3066 ай бұрын
There was a similar scandal in Australia - Robo-debt. From 2013 to 2019; over 560,000 Australians on social security benefits received computer-generated debt notices, totalling $1.76 billion. The soc computers at CentreLink (the social-security service) claimed that the benefit recipients had under-stated their earned income, by using the income from their tax return for the previous year, to estimate their income for the current year - even though it might have hugely fallen - e.g. after losing their job. At least 30 people took their own lives, after receiving their letter. The scandal led to an Australian Royal Commission, which found that Prime Minister Scott Morrison and two other Ministers had failed to check😂 that the scheme was lawfull (legal). So far, compensation of $760 million (£380 m.) has been paid to 360,000 people. PS - Australia’s Seven Network started screening Mr Bates vs the Post Office last night (14 Feb), after huge publicity. Alas, no mini-series yet, on the Robo-Debt scandal (Kym in Darwin)
@CatsandJP7 ай бұрын
And this is the digital age which is supposed to make life easier….heaven help us all when AI takes over.
@glyngasson84507 ай бұрын
It's very obvious from this interview that Lorraine is furious that this happened to people, she's fantastic
@andyprice62007 ай бұрын
There is much more behind the system, they said there was no way there was remote access, the fact that there was access suggests that the program was written exactly for that purpose
@davidgay1z7 ай бұрын
The role of Lord Neuberger in the recusal fiasco (Justice Fraser) should be highlighted
@lilianecasner33367 ай бұрын
Government will look after there mate's!!!! It's unreal
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne7 ай бұрын
Someone who should be in prison interviewing people who did end up in prison....oh the irony...
@donnatibby79787 ай бұрын
Only the government is allowed to have shares in this company. Of course . Come on you unique shareholders…. Now is the time to give these innocent people ALL OF YOUR DIVIDENDS 😡
@TeamTheme7 ай бұрын
This is honestly a modern tragedy
@VictoriaN727 ай бұрын
😢humble man🙏🏻for justice
@mpipod7 ай бұрын
Mr Bates you are amazing!!!!
@travelwell60497 ай бұрын
Why do they still keep saying it was a faulty computer system? They don't know what was happening in the background.
@sebastianwrites7 ай бұрын
I've stood up to antisocial neighbours, those dealing and partaking in drugs. Decades of difficulties, and abuse from the police and others who I had hoped and believed would back me up, instead I've been criminalise... repeatedly! I'm looking to create a KZfaq channel? I'm a writer, I've tried to use WordPress, but to little avail... any help from people would be appreciated please?
@notquiteoverthehill95767 ай бұрын
Management in Post Office recognised it was their only profitable activity from which they could get bonuses & awards. Politicians are culpable & want to burt the truth.
@tonyknight99127 ай бұрын
What no one has explained is what type of system is installed now and have the problems been sorted?
@acptelford13077 ай бұрын
I’d like to know how I can help
@anthonykettle1744 ай бұрын
Don't call it compensation call it returning money that was stolen. With interest.
@kev6437 ай бұрын
I have watched EVIL on my TV.
@paulslater90617 ай бұрын
They're hoping they can spin it out until you're all dead
@Jay-gr9ij7 ай бұрын
Good bloke
@TabsT-vy5jy7 ай бұрын
Lorraine is on = ITV Ex royal mail CEO 'Adam Crozier = boss of itv which made this mr bates series. How ironic
@judewestburner7 ай бұрын
I love this man
@Mark-on2mt7 ай бұрын
Mr Bates should be knighted. 👍
@chancesforchancers17975 ай бұрын
Mr Bates real life super hero
@jeffdunne12997 ай бұрын
Will you really going to get the royal mail on on the show and Ed Davey as well
@macjim7 ай бұрын
Is the post office still using this computer system?
@londondisc7 ай бұрын
Time and again public sector organisations and Central government start to reinvent the wheel by investing in new software systems when there is no shortage of very good accounting systems tried and tested. Some years ago TFL invested in new signalling software when tried and tested software especially Canadian software existed. It led to dreadful signalling problems and huge waste of funds. Same again with the identity card system scrapped by PM Cameron after wasting 8 billion whilst some excellent identity systems available and working in many many countries. I just don't understand it!
@leonhughes1347 ай бұрын
Give this man a knight hood. Give them their money now !!!
@Zoro0077 ай бұрын
Now put him in the House of Lords..... that'll scare the gell out of them !!!!!
@kenbatchelor82847 ай бұрын
Jarndyce and Jarndyce. Nothing changes.
@tomsimmonds5347 ай бұрын
That's what I love about ludane, a massive talent for oversymplyfying the issue and, an even greater talent for pretending to care, keep counting the cash..ludane.. My sympathy goes to all the families who's life's have been ruined, over the past twenty years...☠️
@johncooper80407 ай бұрын
I thought she did a good job. She made her feelings clear on having to read out the Post Office's sickening response.
@zie91717 ай бұрын
Great comment....she's good at pretending to care.