LOSING is WINNING in the AFL… maybe?

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TheSportingEyes

TheSportingEyes

2 ай бұрын

There has been talk around the West Coast Eagles receiving a priority pick in the upcoming AFL draft. People are torn, we don't want really bad teams in the competition but we also don't want to give away draft selections because of a clubs own mistakes. The debate is only just beginning.

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@joshhowie7657
@joshhowie7657 2 ай бұрын
i think one thing to keep in mind is that west coast haven't asked for any assistance yet. the eagles have been open and honest about the situations over the last few years. im a west coast fan and i don't think we need ant help yet. i also don't think pushing for success should be held against them. going for Kelly to keep success going should be encouraged instead of retiring and trading out your experienced players only to bottom out so you can get good draft picks. but at the end west coast don't need it and its a needs based system
@mattyey
@mattyey 2 ай бұрын
Yeh im eagles fan I think if we actually get the priority pick thing it sends a horrible message to our whole squad. It’s basically saying “hey Darling, Gaffy… you’re not pulling your weight and out of form, but relax take a breather!! We got a handout so take it easy 👍”. I 100% accepted help during Covid (once in a lifetime scenario)… but we are big boys now, so I think it’s unnecessary. There might be a small or sizeable minority that disagree, but that is their business… but the bailouts have to end.
@StuTheDon17
@StuTheDon17 2 ай бұрын
If they don't want to give West Coast any assistance, then fair enough. But let them get access to all top 20-25 draftees. Last season was proof why the draft is a joke. West Coast of 2023 has been regarded as one of the worst sides ever. They got pick 1 but then their next one was pick 30....!? How the hell are they supposed to do a rebuild when half of the draft is allocated to father/son and academy picks? If the AFL wants to stick with academy picks, then give West Coast assistance to offset this. Give them pick 19 (which is what they'd get anyway if it wasn't for father/son and academy picks). And let them get free reign on their own academy products. St.Kilda drafted a West Coast academy player before West Coast had the opportunity to get him. Yet GC and GWS academy products are locked away and reserved to them. With Tasmania around the corner and the assistance they're going to get, the AFL has to make sure West Coast have a fair shot at rebuilding properly, because at the moment, it is anything but.
@aussieintexas61
@aussieintexas61 2 ай бұрын
the only people talking about West Coast Eagles receiving a priority pick are the media.
@Felix-sn4km
@Felix-sn4km 2 ай бұрын
North get priority picks every year and still suck
@MaccaTheRanga
@MaccaTheRanga 2 ай бұрын
Every year??
@mattyey
@mattyey 2 ай бұрын
I’m an Eagles fan… I don’t think we should get priority picks because we need to stand on our own two feet (I can’t speak for every fan, but the majority I know are against it). But the Melbourne media are somehow speaking for us 😂. Historically we have won 4 flags, but made recent dumb mistakes that we are paying for now. The only thing is has been correct from the media about us in the last 2 weeks… is that we are protective of Harley Reid. But outside of that, reporting on the Eagles have been very inaccurate. If I had a dollar for every bit of nonsense Sam McClure has said I might not be a millionaire but I’d live very comfortably lol
@devilwarr1or
@devilwarr1or 2 ай бұрын
if you dont want priority picks for clubs then get rid of all the other measures that help top clubs stay strong forever. Free Agency was supposedly brought in to help equalise the competition but has done the exact opposite, top clubs take the top talent from bottom clubs and they are left with draft picks to help them redevelop the next talent to be plucked again. The notion that top players would go to bottom clubs on better money simply hasnt happened. Gary Ablett was the anomaly and the only one. Father Son and academy picks also give teams free hits at top talent. how can the bulldogs who made the grand final get pick 1 ugle hagan? The pies got the real pick 1 the year nick daicos came into the league. Gold Coast got FIVE first round draft picks that couldnt be touched thanks to academies..... The fixture also is maximised around the big clubs keeping them forever getting ahead with profits which they invest off field and can easily pay the soft cap tax on top. The System is completely broken but priority picks = oh that gives teams an unfair hit, get rid of it. And in a few years time the tassie team will come in and take a few of those young established players and further delay any possible rebuild effort.
@bigbird7893
@bigbird7893 2 ай бұрын
I'm a West Coast member, if they offered us a pick, i would happily accept. All the f/s & NGA bias easily justifies my statement. But theres a very high chance we get offered nothing this year period.
@VideogameGurus707
@VideogameGurus707 2 ай бұрын
I reckon as a neutral we need to see assistance given to West Coast soon if they have a fighting chance. As a neutral it is boring watching a flogging every week
@afez2752
@afez2752 2 ай бұрын
Lol, "Neutral" has west coast PFP. I agree if you are low you should get help i am not 100% sure it should just be Picks maybe the AFL should try to intervene and look at the problems in the club. Like the injury crisis, I honestly don't think that it was unpredictable if you have players that constantly are out it must be something systemic.
@woza97zz
@woza97zz 2 ай бұрын
people are forgetting that a priority would probably be fair for west coast based off losing 2 players who were first rounders to concussion being Venables in 2019 and Sheppard in 2020. After their concussions they did not play again. The role Shep played was mega for west coast and Venables was up and coming having to retire at 19 but was the apprentice to shuey, he is 24 now which is the age demographic west coast are currently missing is that age group. Yes they made a bad trade for Kelly and it caused a gap of players age but the other factors are huge. To lose 2 players that were first rounders its probably justified to get a late first round pick but they are forced to trade it for either more picks especially having pick 1 that they can put on the trade table and get multiple picks in the early first round or get a couple of role players they are missing that are that mid 20s age. Their future has a lot of potential with Reid, Ginbey, Hewitt, Hough, long. They just need something to help them slowly climb up
@user-kw1gp3dq4o
@user-kw1gp3dq4o 2 ай бұрын
I'd wager "TheSportingEyes" follows a team that has had a priority pick.
@HorizonOfHope
@HorizonOfHope 2 ай бұрын
I hate priority picks. The fact is: some club must be on the bottom. That’s how it works. It sucks when it is your team, but there is always a bottom side. Worse though, is that priority assistance is a punishment to other teams in the middle of the ladder whose own picks are now pushed further back and whose trade hands are weakened a little as a result.
@HamandCheeseToastie-um1wh
@HamandCheeseToastie-um1wh 2 ай бұрын
Victorian comment, have a whinge grand final is always in Melbourne
@HorizonOfHope
@HorizonOfHope 2 ай бұрын
@@HamandCheeseToastie-um1wh North Melbourne is in Victoria… ? The team that just got the priority picks, you know that one? What are you talking about?
@Petunia69
@Petunia69 2 ай бұрын
Personally being a west coast fan, i dont think we should, if we are at the stage next year maybe. Whatever decision is out of our hands, however, either way its a tough hole, but our young guns coming will prosper in future years from this experience. I just wish teams like GWS, freo, gold coast, even the saints, to get some glory, i just dont like repeating teams being so up there all the time, like melbourne experienced, carlton experienced, being at the bottom having players constantly leave to a higher ranked team only to try rebuild, its great to see the resurgence of teams that have been there.
@jlrob85
@jlrob85 2 ай бұрын
We don’t want it! We dug ourselves into this mess and we’ll dig ourselves out
@jackhudson2237
@jackhudson2237 2 ай бұрын
How do you dig yourself out of it when you still have the coach that led you into this?
@Fluggegecheimen69
@Fluggegecheimen69 2 ай бұрын
Will you still hold that opinion when the second round pick blows out from 19 to 30+ again?
@thequartersfooty
@thequartersfooty 2 ай бұрын
I've always believed that the picks in the draft are handed out way too easy. If a team wants to secure the picks as such, they must earn them. My proposal in the bottom 10 teams who fail to qualify to the finals must compete in a special round robin competition, similar to the original consolation night series that occurred between 1956-1970 and the winner gets the number one pick and rankings overall determine who get what number picks.
@devilwarr1or
@devilwarr1or 2 ай бұрын
this is why you aren't in a position of power because you have no clue. Right now the worst 3 teams are eagles, hawks and kangas. Your proposal would mean they would get the 8th 9th and 10th best players when its all said and done.... and you somehow expect them to rise up the ladder? A year later they're still down the bottom, another round robin annnnnd another 8th 9th and 10th best player.
@thequartersfooty
@thequartersfooty 2 ай бұрын
​@@devilwarr1or Settle down mate, it was just an idea, don't work yourself up into a knot. Its just an idea. I don't plan on personally running the AFL, I think it would be one of the biggest headaches on gods green earth to run. And for your information i know my footy quite well and I pay attention. It's just an idea, a suggestion. What I'm saying is that if a team wanted the number one pick so badly or any kind of assistance, they have to earn it and not get handed to them on a silver platter by finishing last on the ladder, just like premierships are earned. And who knows, if this idea did come into play it could be good for the competition to host a few more games in the season, maybe to generate a bit of extra coin, more TV viewership, just maybe. Before the finals series during the bye. Just and idea. Enough said.
@devilwarr1or
@devilwarr1or 2 ай бұрын
@thequartersfooty lol you think you know footy with your videos you put out that get 5 views.... ok sure. You do realise just saying "durrr just try harder if you want the number 1 pick" doesn't work yea? Right now north's backline is literally half a foot smaller then every key forward they play against and several kilos lighter. You think they can just "try harder"..... they're key defender logue is recovering from an acl and the THREE tall defenders they drafted will take YEARS to put on the size to compete for a full game. And you say "durrr try harder" 🤣. You don't know Jack shit about football. There's a reason your idea has already been floated AND REJECTED by the league for the exact reason I stated. Because people like me can think beyond people like you just putting out ideas and actually see the eventual outcome of said stupid ideas.
@jackhudson2237
@jackhudson2237 2 ай бұрын
Since RD 19, 2021 they're 5-48 as of RD 4, 2024. They are historically bad, one of the worst teams the game has ever seen since the VFL began in 1897, not even Gold Coast was as bad as Eagles and look at all the assistance they've had. Eagles will get the Priority Pick, it's not even in doubt. I dont know why this is an issue, any other footy fans would hope to get the pick if their club was this terrible aswell.
@rubinburns4823
@rubinburns4823 2 ай бұрын
I don't see Fremantle with any grand final cups bud think again 👍🏾
@jackhudson2237
@jackhudson2237 2 ай бұрын
@rubinburns4823 Who thinks 1 priority pick will win a club the Grand Final 🤣🤣 i dont think that's ever happened. It's merely just to get a club going 5-48 to be more competitive rather than losing every game by over 10 goals.
@biggi3st3v3
@biggi3st3v3 2 ай бұрын
Gold Coast is not a very fair comparison mate, they are at the opposite end of the spectrum with regards to player retention compared to West coast. They needed assistance because they struggled to hold on to high end talent. Our problem is not that we can't hold onto players, its that we cant/won't trade players to improve our draft hand. We should have started the rebuild properly a few years ago by putting some ageing but still capable players on the trading block. Darling and gaff in particular would have netted a nice haul in 2020 if we traded them to a contender where their weaknesses wouldn't be exposed as they are at a bad team. But its too late for that so now we gotta do the bottom out rebuild. Our own fault.
@rubinburns4823
@rubinburns4823 2 ай бұрын
@@jackhudson2237 I didn't say nothing about a priority pick mate. Read my comment again I'm saying Fremantle at got shit on the competition they've been around like a foul smelling pest and nothing 2 show👍🏾
@jackhudson2237
@jackhudson2237 2 ай бұрын
@rubinburns4823 I didn't say nothing about Fremantle either mate. Read my comment again
@curtismateljan9273
@curtismateljan9273 2 ай бұрын
It's a tough one, I'm a diehard WC fan and currently I'm in the no camp when it comes to a priority pick. It's 100% true that they're in the position they're in due to poor list decisions, and their issues have been exacerbated by extraordinary circumstances such as covid and poor strength and conditioning. However I do see the counterargument. The draft is supposed to be an equalisation measure but what should've been pick 19 last year fell to pick 30. I also feel that NM traded for guys like Waite, Higgins, and Dal Santo and made back to back prelims. Since then their list decisions have been abysmal, throwing money at players like Hall and Polec. Currently there are 17 first round picks on their list and nearly all of them are midfielders. I agree that somewhere in the middle is the best solution, WC could get a 2nd rounder that they have to trade for an established player.
@joshhowie7657
@joshhowie7657 2 ай бұрын
I'm an eagle as well. But a second rounder wouldnt help the list especially if it has to be traded for established players. It didn't help North. It would be better to have no pick. We don't need it. I reckon with out assistance we will be in the finals in 27 or 28 it's not that far away
@StuTheDon17
@StuTheDon17 2 ай бұрын
​@@joshhowie7657 The priority pick can be packaged with an existing one and traded for a higher pick, maybe a first rounder. That's what the AFL will encourage them to do
@joshhowie7657
@joshhowie7657 2 ай бұрын
@@StuTheDon17 I guess what I'm saying is . That giving pics to trade didn't work in the past. The following year the afl gave north a first round pick in 23 and 2 first rounders in 24. With that template. West coast would get a second rounder in 24, a first rounder in 25 and 2 first rounders in 26. The problem is 26 is the last draft before tassi get their pics. I would think the afl would want to keep that draft as clean from AFL assistance.
@biggi3st3v3
@biggi3st3v3 2 ай бұрын
As a west coast fan I wouldn't say no to free picks but we neither need nor deserve them. We will get better the hard way. How can any1 say we deserve priority picks when a)we last won a premiership only a few years ago, if success is the barometer for priority picks I would argue that the saints deserve them more due to not winning a premiership since 1966 and b) once we start getting better, we will become a destination club again and will be able to fill holes thru trade and free agency. I doubt the club will ask for picks, but the afl may do it anyway cos all they care about is image and how much we suck rn isn't great for the afls image
@jackhudson2237
@jackhudson2237 2 ай бұрын
Priority Pick isn't about winning the Grand Final. It's to get a club competitive again. Mr 5-48, embarrassing.
@StuTheDon17
@StuTheDon17 2 ай бұрын
Our flag from 6 years ago is irrelevant. When clubs have been as poor as we've been, they get handouts. For the sake of fairness and consistency, the AFL should also be handing us a pick.
@biggi3st3v3
@biggi3st3v3 2 ай бұрын
​@@StuTheDon17sorry but ur wrong there, the afl has made it clear that the time since last final and last premiership is a big part of the equation for priority picks, that's likely why we got nothing last year, so yeah, pretty relevant
@jlrob85
@jlrob85 2 ай бұрын
Should have traded Gaff after 2018 and never got Kelly
@sampled611
@sampled611 2 ай бұрын
So trade out a all Australian player in his prime, and recruit and gun midfielder to try and get back to back premierships is a bad idea?? It’s only in hindsight that you can say it didn’t work.
@gumby7584
@gumby7584 2 ай бұрын
We've sucked for 20 years. Where's our pick?
@user-vz5cq7ey2c
@user-vz5cq7ey2c 2 ай бұрын
In the past 20 years we've seen long term suffering from Melbourne, Carlton, Gold coast at the bottom of the ladder and now North Melbourne and West Coast are in that boat for a 3rd straight year. The AFL in partnership with all clubs needs to prevent this from continuing, the bottom 2 teams should be competitive with 5-7 wins per year and not be called a blight on the competition. You can't have it both ways, where a Premiership favourite Richmond practically gets all at the MCG In 2019, Geelong given a soft 2024 fixture to increase odds of playing finals and then tell a team like West Coast with 5-48 win/loss record recently sorry no priority pick support.
@TheSportingEyes
@TheSportingEyes 2 ай бұрын
Yeh I agree, need to set out dot points on what needs to occur to qualify. Wether it's 4 years of bottom 3 finishes in a row etc to then get help.
@devilwarr1or
@devilwarr1or 2 ай бұрын
@@TheSportingEyes um north have been bottom 2 for 4 years already.... form 2020 to 2023 is 4 complete seasons and now are 17th in their 5th season.
@devilwarr1or
@devilwarr1or 2 ай бұрын
how can bottom teams rise when the only way forward is through drafting young talent? Notice no elite mature player gone to the eagles or north during this time? Because free agency has outright failed in its premise of equalising the league by having top players squeezed out of top clubs to go to lower clubs on better money. Top clubs are able to keep top players on the same or slightly less money then bottom teams, players arent prepared to lose for 3-4 years even on good pay. So the only way forward is drafting infinite young kids and hope enough evolve to become good enough...which takes 4-5 years in most cases! And while they're trying to do all this....the tassie team is going to come in and pluck a few of them out!!!
@mark8860
@mark8860 2 ай бұрын
There should never be priority picks. Self inflicted incompetence shouldn't be rewarded.
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