Finally we can download more performance lol

Thanks for covering this because I have to say many of the reviews say there are NO downsides at all with it, which is obvious bs. This is an amazing effect, though, when you have no other options. The developers deserve all the praise they receive!

Tried Lossless scaling a month ago. Super happy with the program. But yeah. Everything you covered is exactly what people need to know. Definitely not a program to use blindly. But when it works, it can be a great boon.

Bought this Software for 0.79€ during 2020 Halloween Sales to upscale some old Visual Novels, Very impressed with how much it has improved.

The best benefit of Lossless Scaling has to be the fact that, unlike modded solution, it does not tinker with any of the game code and processes. It simply captures the output like OBS would, and that means it plays nice with anti-cheat. In fact I pretty much played all of Shadow of the Erdtree with it and online.

I have gtx 1060 6 GB and I was getting 30 to 40fps in every new game but after using this app, it has given a new life to my GPU ...

Multiplying framerate using the Terrance Howard method

I would definitely love to see a deeper dive into the app, as it has many options. There are settings that you can play with and get better results, like "Allow tearing," for example, allows for tearing, but if you have a good monitor with low latency, the tearing wouldn't be that noticeable, yet the input latency will drop significantly. Also, there are multiple capture methods that (except GDI, which is for a few very old titles) have different ups/downsides like DXGI, which works amazingly with dynamic FPS, but if you play a game that runs at stable FPS (by stable I mean very rare changes in the FPS; especially good if it is sub ~45 game), then it would be better to enable WGC which captures the frames with less artifacts and good pacing (WGC suffers when the FPS is dynamic and looks/feels worse, it is meant for stable (mostly locked) FPS, but it captures better). WGC requires a bit of additional tinkering tho, like double FPS lock (one lock on the game and one on the LS itself; for example- if you are running Alan Wake 2 at 30 fps locked and stable- set the capturing method to WGC, lock the game to 30, lock LS to 60, and you will have the magic (optional but helps in some cases- you can also enable the LS vertical sync and set it to "Max Refresh Rate") Also the of upscalers has multiple very interesting options like the LS1 upscaler which is a spatial upscaler with machine learning and does better job preserving details than FSR1 (even at performance mode, where it is faster than FSR1; LS1 can upscale to 2x the input resolution, and after that it just stretches the picture, which is the only limit of the upscaler, unlike FSR1 which will upscale with no limits, but noticeable visual degradation). Also, the dev combined bicubic upscaler with AMD CAS and create the Bicubic CAS option which is amazing for machines that get low fps and need both upscale and FG to get to a proper state. So, yeah, the program actually has a lot of additional options that can make the final result way better/smoother both visually and as feeling (input latency and other factors) if they are used and used correctly. PS: One final good tip- you can watch series/movies/yt videos/twitch/etc, and apply LS FG to them. For such usage, just open the video in the browser, have the LS prepared, make the video fullscreen, and hit the hotkey combo for LS. For online videos, I recommend the usage of WGC capture and the LS vsync enabled and set to "Max Refresh Rate" (secondary FPS lock wouldn't be needed for videos/movies/streams, unlike the game usage of WGC).

Gamed over 300 hours using this app, it's really good for handheld PCs

The biggest issue i constantly see with users is they don’t actually know how frame gen works so they’re always surprised when 3x looks bad at 20 fps base with their intel uhd graphic

The distortion at the border of screen remembers VHS tapes, if you're old enough to remember that :) when tapes often would play with some distortion or garbling at the top and/or bottom lines, often in old or low-quality recordings or because of misaligned heads etc.

og FF7 modded to widescreen and 60fps and then to 120fps using the duck app has been one of my favorite things this year

lossless scaling will really help older games like gta vc, san andreas and iv that are generally capped at lower framerates bc of physics

I was just trying to uncap The Evil Within. You posted this, I did it, it's fixed. I love it. Couldn't bear the low FPS and bow I can enjoy a good game again.

9:16 I’m so glad Freedom Fighters is getting love in 2024. Love that game. Never forget getting the disc on PC and loading it up for the first time. Insane story but great gameplay

valve needs something like this for deck

People needed to know about this little yet generous software !

Works like charm in my heavily modded Skyrim! Also does wonders with emulators such as RCPS3 and Yuzu!

Something like this would be amazing if integrated on the Steam Deck UI, similar to what we have for FSR2. Imagine that: you set FPS to 90 and turn on 2x frame generation. The game will be locked at 45fps and frame gen will interpolate to 90fps, automatically.

I specifically have been using this for games locked at 60 or games that run poorly at higher framerates like you said in the video Its genuinely just for fluidity and im really glad this program exists so i dont feel bad about complaining about games just for some reason not supporting the pc platform properly.

13:47 "No Fame-Rate Cap" Look, I know Jin Sakai lost his honor, but fame is definitely something he got in return.

One thing no one talks about is that there is an option in the LS app that massively reduces latency. if you click on the “Allow screen tearing” option the input is way better. It even says that in its description. It probably wont always work well but for me i have yet to notice any screen tearing and I use it all the time now.

You completely sold lossless gaming for me as I’m watching this at 2x speed on my 120hz iPad and I can feel the smoothness, I noticed the artefacts but it didn’t matter to me at all. I’ll 100% use it when I get a gaming laptop.

This software is great and definitely helps when you’re playing a game with technical shortcomings, like a UI that doesn’t scale properly on higher resolutions or older games that stutter. It works wonders for that

I bought this program a couple years ago, had no idea it had been updated!

You can reduce significant latency by using an in-game frame limiter to cap the frames at half or a third of your monitor's frequency. You also need to disable in-game VSync. Only enable it through the LS application. I am using Lossless Scaling with my GTX 1080ti on a 4K TV, and with the LS upscaler plus 2x frame generation, I am extremely satisfied.

I feel like I did this for years when i connected my PC to my 3d TV and enabled 120hz motion smoothing.

You can also use Lossless Scaling on other programs. Sometimes I use it on KZfaq videos (browser) or OBS. Nintendo Switch + HDMI IN + OBS + Lossless Scaling (2x FG) = 60 fps Xenoblade 3 / BOTW.

oh man been waiting for this. Thanks

Brilliant video! Thank you as always for all your amazing work team.

I was literally just looking at this tool last night. Great video, thanks!

@DigitalFoundry really needs to review said features of software. They just breeze through Lossless without doing a deep dive on its settings. This review was better than the last but they didn't cover much of how to properly use the tool. You can allow screen tearing to reduce latency and its worth the payoff especially native portrait handhelds. You should diable v-sync in game but can enable it inside Lossless. There are key selectable capture APIs (DXGI/WGC) for frame generation inside Lossless that have different pro and cons to seeing artifacts with performance differences but none of them were shown here in this video or the last video. AFMF requires all games to be run in exclusive full screen mode which doesn't always bode well for handhelds that have native portrait displays. Lossless requires running in a window mode which helps get around exclusive fullscreen limited games. Plus if you run a game in borderless fullscreen you end up forcing the game to the native resolution set by windows. This can hinder your performance if you need the game to run at lower resolutions. In Lossless you can assign a scaling option to reduce the resolution by a custom scaling factor to increase performance. Tick the Status box arrow inside Lossless to see the reported rescale numbers. The Lossless upscalers can also help sharpen games that are over soften because of temporal aliasing. I believe Lossless works better for 1st person games vs 3rd person if you wish to observe less artifacts but its a major boon for handhelds even if the goal is going for lower frame targets. You have selectable performance modes to lower the frame gen costs on your gpu (you should also mention?). You can limit the frames to 33 fps in RTSS and set display to 100hz at 3x performance LSFG 2.1 mode or shoot a slightly higher cap for less latency. There is a lot of experimentation needed as one Lossless capture api will yield different results per game engine.

You should compare it to the TV's frame interpolation.

use it for old games with controller and it's golden, re4 is probably one of the best use cases, night and day difference. On the other side I've seen people buy it to play cs at higher fps... these people are not very bright and I guess thats where the majority of criticism stems from

Couple of things worth mentioning that was missed in the video: 1) You can use this application for anything, not just games. Works great in video too. 2) It increases power consumption by quite a lot. A 2080 uses about 95 watts extra when using this.

thanks for the review been waiting for it to see some real technical explanation of it, please don't forget that you can also use it on everything else not only video games, like web browsers, video players, image viewers, so can be used to watch movies and series too, also a tip: setting up a shortcut for scaling (like ctrl+alt+L) is faster than clicking and waiting 5 seconds to scale/disable scaling

Yay coverage of this! It is not the miracle some claim it to be. There are downsides for sure. It varies wildly from game to game. Worth every penny in my book. Just gives another tool to play around with. I have a 165hz vrr monitor and locking shooters to 82fps to frame gen to 164 is amazing. Vingetting around the edges and nvidia reflex make a huge difference with this program. Super high framerate Older games Helldivers 2 Elden Ring

Fun fact,You can also use Lossless Scaling for videos and even on browsers. Yep...you can actually frame gen a low frame rate video if you're curious.

I recently started Windwaker and just got this after seeing this video. Honestly this is a game changer for older games locked at 30

These videos are so relaxing to watch.

It's especially good for old emulated games, such as gamecube/wii/3ds games.

Amazing tech and review!!

I've been waiting for someone to cover this in detail!

Picked this up a couple days ago. Very happy with it. Been using it for Beyond Two Souls as the community fps unlocker seemed to be incompatible with the (also community) 16:9 patch in my testing. These edge cases pop up all the time, so between that and emulation this will see significant usage on my rig. Going to try out ratchet & clank’s up-rezzed PS3 versions with frame gen next! edit: okay so I couldn't get ratchet collection ps3 to boot in rpcs3 but Lossless Scaling works fine with pcsx2 which I swapped to instead

A Lossless scaling review with actual older titles!!! Been using it on some old, emulated games and it's been quite fascinating to use! I think understanding the limitations of the program and it's quirks will set your expectations correctly, and if it's viable for your use case is absolutely a great buy.

Very useful on the Steam Deck in Win11. The fact it works on almost anything is the key... Yes there are sometimes better options but this is always a base option and that's cool!

I knew this day was coming! Thank you Alex!

Been waiting for this video!

I wonder what would happen if you did DLSS3 up to 120Hz and then Lossless Scaling up to 240. A 4k/240 final video starting life out as 720P/60 internally would be hilarious to see.

2:38 This is a fantastic comparison and it clearly explains the current issues with upscaling. I wish you guys could do something similar to consoles showcasing this effect since it's something I don't quite recall in previous generations being as pronounced as is now is.

Another brilliant vid from Alex.

I have been waiting a long time for this video

Finally DF video on this. Honestly i only use this because i have to, i love playing without headphone (if i run it high rr natively my gpu is noticably noisy). many modern games still stubborn to implement modern upscaling/fg (looking at you HD2 & Elden Ring). And hey it works on emulation too

I've been using this tool to play Elden Ring at 60fps since my CPU is really bad and can't put more than 40fps in this game and, to my surprise, it looks really nice. The borders of the screen are like you said in the video, but after a while i forget about it and just enjoy the fluidity. I also use this to play AC Mirage because my CPU stutters a lot when the game gets close to 60fps, so i locked to 40 and used frame gen to make more fluid. It looks great, i barely even notice that it's using frame gen. Great tool, but i adds unecessary sharpening to the image, even with the upscaling features turned off.

Nice to see lossless covered on the channel! I actually just changed my setup - went from 2 1080p monitors to a single monitor and a 4K 55' TV. Running a 4060, everything running great at 4K thanks to Lossless scaling! Yes, there is some input latency that gets added, but unless you are super sensitive to it I really doubt most people would notice - any newer game will also include Nvidia Low Latency which can help counter it a little bit. The great thing about Lossless is that - if you FULLY understand that it won't look perfect and in some games you have to compensate for some extra latency - you are going to get a lot more longevity out of your hardware, or be able to push it even farther if you want to without having to invest $1k into a new GPU.

i waited for this video, thx DF

Any similar test for those motion interpolation mode in TVs especially Samsung 's gaming one which seem to introduce least latency, when used alone or even combined with either of this 3? 😅

I get all your points DF, I do. But let me just add this: Yesterday we bought it with my gf and have been using it in particular in a very heavy game: Darktide 40k. It helped smooth and improve the experience we both had by a ton: -she now runs a locked 30 -> 60 fps with no frame drops on High settings -while I can run a locked 60 -> 120 fps with no drops of High plus Ray Tracing. I used to play High only without RT to get varied performance of 60 to 120 depending on how busy the map, now I just lock it to 60 and it runs at 120 with no issues with RT! And we just feel the good points, have not really felt a "oh this feels like it takes longer to move or aim or is less responsive". We might just not be noticing it, but I do encourage everyone to test it out.

Wave Race Blue Storm is finally out of its 30 FPS lock hell thanks to this.

The vibe of this video, especially the music was really cool, right from the start.

Is there a reason Alex never uses driver level frame caps? I always just cap my frames in the nvidia control panel and it works great.

Nailed it , I've owned lossless scaling for years but only boot it up for the golden olden games, funny as i recently started a turok series playthrough with 120 fps via LGS :) game changer

Would it be possible to force reflex on using Special K or would that feature not be compatible with Lossless Scaling since i think reflex caps fps a few below refresh rate which might not play nicely when going from 60 to 120.

6:49 love perfect dark zero background music

I use LS FG alot with ps3 emulated games, its has its flaws but its great for older titles.

Amazing video! This technology looks promissing, but helps some weak machines to run games that before was impossible. But we need to understand the quality cost.

I bought this from the Steam store before and was pretty disappointed so I got a refund. After watching this video, I realized that I needed to have more realistic expectations and so I got it again. I like to play a lot of Kairosoft management sims. These typically run at 20fps with a few exceptions that run at 30fps. Going from 20 to 40 looks really nice and there aren't that many glitches or weirdness that happens. Going from 30 to 60 is also quite nice. I tried the x3 option to go from 20-60 but there were a few more glitches than I'd like. I think using this for pixel art games is a great way to boost the perceived frame rate and add to a smoother experience. Definitely recommended.

I think this could be a game-changer for a lot of emulated games, especially switch and ps3

Amazing to see Lossless Scaling getting more public appraised This tool is a must for anyone no matter where you are at the PC performance spectrum

Something you didn't touch upon at all is the performance cost of using Lossless Scaling, you basically need 20% GPU headroom for it to work

In racing game locked at 30fps, like NFS Rivals which is one of my favorite, this tools helps immensely. This is the only reliable way to play this game at 60 fps. Some effects or HUD elements can be little messed up, but overall experience is much more fluid and therefore much more enjoyable. I still cant get over the fact that it is locked to 30 fps. What were they thinking.

I think this program shines the most when combined with RPCS3 which struggles to emulate PS3 titles on PC for over 30FPS. This combination will unlock Uncharted 3 gameplay on PC for steady 60FPS experience!

Freedom Fighters deserves a sequel❤

been waiting for this video ❤

I got this a few days ago and haven't tested it on much but I did try a couple supermassive games like The Quarry and The Devil in Me by turning on the 30fps cap in game and then using 2x frame gen and they ran surprisingly smooth. I don't personally need it on those games but it's a good use since the input latency doesn't matter much and there isn't a lot of fast movement, it's pretty much like a movie for the most part.

Tipped me over the edge, and got the app on the Steam Sale - I can't go back to playing without it now!

Machine learning is a stretch. This tech exists in most mid to high end tvs. Sony calls its motion flow

One of the best advantages of Lossless Scaling is allowing us to play 30fps locked console games in 60fps. I play Zelda Tears of the Kingdom in the Nintendo Switch and Lossless Scaling at 60fps by using a capture card.

The Helldivers performance patch I truly need

Thanks for covering this! This is an incredible piece of software that has it's use cases. Not the silver bullet for everything but still very usefull!

I mean, sure there are some issues, but when you're playing a game that's either locked to 30 fps, or your PC can only play at like, 30 -40 then the added frames are a game changer. It lets older hardware run so much better.

"Lossless"

Hey thanks for the great write up, what tool are you using for the frame rate lock with wgc? For me the nvidea control option introduces a lot of stutter

You all finally reviewed LS1 ❤❤

The level headed introduction is absolutely needed to prevent potential misunderstandings about what it offers. ... However ... I am *very* impressed by the increased fluidity. Of course it introduces artefacts! But the kind of "warped" artefacts it produces are way less distracting to me, than the typical "pixel-mess" artefacts fsr3 introduces. Also I got fsr3 never to consistently present with good frame pacing, dislike how it handles transparent UI, how it breaks very easily with water and shadow effects.., while LSFG is absolutely flawless** in that regard(*granted, as long as the base-fps is stable) (*it's of course not flawless! But for a screenspace effect with no engine integration....oh boy I am impressed!)

Isn't this then very comparable to most modern TVs' built in frame interpolation methods (SONY's Motionflow for example)? Which for the record you always recommended not using.

Gotta stack FSR 3, AFMF, and Lossless Scaling for that 12x frame rate boost

love you help alot thankfully

I will definitely check the Lossless Scaling with OKAMI, a beautiful game that was locked at 30fps and the studio who made it disbanded..

I heard it does not work with HDR on, is it true?

Such a cool little tool; Thanks for getting it on my radar. Highlights so far have been: FFX/X2 HD up from it's 30 fps cap to 60, KOTOR 60-120, Skyrim 60-120, and getting Arkham Knight up above it's 90fps limit.

the absolute best way to use it is : limit your fps by 60, double it with X2, literally as smooth as if you had 120 fps, and the latency with X2 isn't that high (especially with the beta 2.10 version now, it's almost to the point where it's hard to tell compared to 2.9)

Lossless Scaling gives me 50 fps in Elden Ring instead of 25... now its playable so theres that.

Freedom Fighters. Blast of a game

Great to see this excellent app covered by DF finally. I use it everyday now, from integer scaling pixel art to turning nearly every games from 60 to 120fps, to even making some old 30fps games look watchable again, it just works great. I only wish they would allow the fps to go past your monitor Hz rate, and improve the framepacing/refresh rate tolerance. x3 Framegen is almost impossible to use for me because you need the perfect refresh rate for correct framepacing, and my gaming TV doesn't allow for weird custom refresh rate like 89.94hz.

Love LLS, my old laptop lives again.

“FAME-RATE…” cool!!,😂 (13:50)

A game I use this A LOT is The Crew: Motorfest, since its locked to 60fps. It adds latency, yeah, but the image fluidity is amazing.

Oh my goodness, Freedom Fighters was my jam!

los dioses me escucharon!! justo lo compre hace 2 dias y estaba esperando este video!! thanks god!