LOST- Season 6 & Ancient History

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Gibby

4 ай бұрын

Season 6 is the most puzzle-like of all the seasons. This explainer should help disentangle the threads.

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@fufufoofoo 2 ай бұрын

Great Video , Thanks ! (2024, 14 Years after !)

@gibby525 28 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@christophernash8166 3 ай бұрын

I'm excited to find your videos!

@gibby525 3 ай бұрын

It's so fun to get re-obsessed with the show

@melrupinski88 3 ай бұрын

You brought up some interesting points on the video. One thing I’m going to disagree with, though, is the idea that the Egyptians were there and gone long before Jacob and the MiB. I think there’s quite a bit of evidence to the contrary in the show. Keep in mind that the the Egyptian civilization coexisted with Rome at this time (2,000 years ago). 1. Jacob’s tapestry. It seems to depict the history of the Egyptians on the island. It shows a hand touching people (like Jacob does to bring candidates to the island), a conflict, then (all or some) of them leaving by boat. Given the history the Mother taught Jacob, how could he know this? Why would he have such an affinity for a culture that left the island long before he was born (even using an ankh as his personal seal)? 2. Lack of buildings/monuments. We never see the Temple, lighthouse or statue of Taweret in Across the Sea. Mother lives in the caves because there are no other structures on the Island. Even Claudia’s people live in a village made from scratch. In the 20 or so years the MiB was with them exploring and digging wells, you’d think they’d come across something. 3. Heart of the Island. When Mother shows the boys the heart of the Island, the light is way brighter than when Jack gets there with Desmond and Fake Locke. This is because the “cork” has been placed there due to the “ancient incident”. The cork, obviously placed after “Across the Sea” is inscribed with hieroglyphics and cuneiform script. 4. Donkey wheel chamber. After Mother fills in the chamber excavated by the MiB, another one is dug later in the spot where Sawyer lowers Locke in the well next to the Orchid (after the time flash, the rope is left in the ground, and that’s where it was dug. This is obviously a different location (in the jungle as opposed to the field where the MiB well was located). This chamber is covered in hieroglyphics, but has the same structure (and wheel) as the chamber Mother destroyed, but was obviously dug at a later point in time.

@gibby525 3 ай бұрын

I never noticed the history being told in the tapestry before! I go back and forth on the timeline placement, but something visual like the history on the tapestry I find pretty convincing. Great point!

@jonbranch710 3 ай бұрын

I didn't know this was a question at this point.

@gibby525 3 ай бұрын

It is to some, yeah

@nickhobbs6463 3 ай бұрын

I like the idea Mother was a previous Smoke Monster. Cool. No issues there. But you're wrong about the monster not being her or MIB. It's not some essence, it's them. Why would ghosts of people they haunted haunt something that isn't them? It wouldn't. It's because the people who killed them - now Smoke Monsters - are living with he guilt. Great video though. I love discussing LOST.

@gibby525 3 ай бұрын

Definitely check out the other videos if you haven't because I go into this more. I think it's something the show is asking, and there isn't possibly a clear answer to: Are we just the sum of our memories or is there something else? If a perfect copy of Mother's or the MiB's memories can be transferred (or, to me, copied) to a cloud of some magnetized exotic matter or metal, that can replicate their old bodies to the cell, and their original body is left behind, are they technically still their selves or are they 'dead?' I would argue dead, and you would argue that they are not, I think. We don't see an indication of what happens to the MiB or Mother in a sideways, so we don't know when they technically 'died.' These theories are from a specifically materialist view point I guess, and I don't really disagree with you. There were other pieces from other videos that focus on the Monster becoming more like John Locke and Christian over time. This better explains 'Christian' taking Claire, or the Monster becoming more like Locke over time, eventually repeating his trick of c4 hidden in a back pack to destroy the submarine. Also Smoke Locke manipulates Ben into killing the one person Ben seeks the approval of, as revenge for Linus making John kill Anthony Cooper, the one person he sought the approval of. The Monster is struggling with its identity, but so was the MiB, and so was Locke, because aren't we all trying to figure out who we are?

@Lost.History- 4 ай бұрын

I like the mother is smoke monster theory.

@gibby525 4 ай бұрын

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on the whole mystery box/Monster is everybody's flashbacks angle?

@Lost.History- 4 ай бұрын

@gibby525 I don't know quite yet . I've seen a few different theories about. It's one I am lost about myself. But I would love to learn your opinion about if you think hurley seeing Dave on the island is really the man in black?

@gibby525 4 ай бұрын

@@Lost.History- I think so, yes, mainly because of the sinister nature and because island Dave tries to get Hurley to kill himself. But it goes deeper too. Per Lindelof, self-forgiveness is the biggest theme in Lost, present even earlier than Faith & Destiny. Guilt is a uniting factor both in flashback stories and in Monster appearances, since Smokey is working against self-forgiveness & trying to elicit behavior that will cause more guilt (because Jacob's guilt, as current protector, is the overriding influence on Smokey until a replacement is found. The MiB is the symbol of his guilt, like Dave is for Hurley). Hurley saw Dave off-Island initially because he felt guilty about the deck collapse, and Dave was how Hurley punished himself (Dave pushing him to eat). On-Island, Hurley's decision to destroy the hoarded food, coupled with the food drop, allowed enough conflict within Hurley around this topic for the Monster to then manifest as Dave. He tells him "I'm part of your subconscious" and when Hurley is talking about the imaginary Dave being the most normal person in Santa Rosa, the Dr points out that Dave still doesn't want him to change. A very symbolic exchange. While the MiB/Monster's skepticism about the Island's purpose is 'normal,' it runs counter to their purpose on the Island, to change and grow beyond their past mistakes. Jacob is conflicted about human nature, which results in people being brought to the Island by the magic box, but also manipulated and endangered by the magic box, because of the memory of Jacob's shortcomings and doubts/fear that his late brother & mother are right about human nature. MiB/Monster as Dave is Hurley's guilt undermining his desire to change, something Libby supports. Love Dave, a really powerful episode.

@mohammadrezafaraji5623 4 ай бұрын

According to the show, is there any connection between backgammon and senet? BTW, Your explanations are excellent, thank you.

@gibby525 4 ай бұрын

John cites that backgammon is the oldest in-show, but Senet is apparently older, according to googling around.

@mohammadrezafaraji5623 3 ай бұрын

@@gibby525In the show, there are specific scenes about board games and Ben's conversation about some rules brings to mind a meaningful connection between them.

@gibby525 3 ай бұрын

@@mohammadrezafaraji5623 "He changed the rules?"

@mohammadrezafaraji5623 3 ай бұрын

@@gibby525 "And you'll wish you hadn't changed the rules"